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Squirmmorning05:20
KilosMaaz: hi05:30
MaazHello Kilos05:30
Kiloswow lagging bad05:30
Kilos17secs05:30
Kilosmorninginesquand others05:31
Kilosoi05:31
* Kilos tries again05:35
Kilosmorning Squirm inetpro and others05:36
Kilosmore bushtech 05:41
Squirmhey Kilos05:51
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy Xethron 06:01
ThatGraemeGuymornings :)06:12
inetprogood mornings06:23
KilosMaaz: seen tinuvamac06:34
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bdukMorning everyone06:42
ThatGraemeGuyMaaz: seen tinuvama_06:42
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ThatGraemeGuyKilos-: ^^06:42
Kilos-ty ThatGraemeGuy i just want him to post a screenshot of a mac so i can compare elementaryos look to it06:43
Kilos-trying to find what they look like is not easy with google06:44
Kilos-what i found shows wallpaper but not the bottom of the screen so i can see that docker thing06:45
Kilosai!06:49
* Kilos changing sims again, sorry07:30
ThatGraemeGuysit still :P07:40
Kiloshi TinuvaMac 08:04
TinuvaMachi08:04
Kilosplease post a screenshot so i can see what a mac desktop looks like08:05
Kilosno rush08:05
TinuvaMacnothing special08:05
TinuvaMackinda like gnome3 + cairo dock - desktop icons08:05
Kilosi have installed elementaryos and read it looks like mac08:05
Kilosbut am back on kde so no rush08:06
TinuvaMachttp://thor.hero.za.net/mac/screenshot-mac-desktop.png08:14
TinuvaMachttp://thor.hero.za.net/mac/screenshot-mac-dock-not-hidden.png08:14
TinuvaMachttp://thor.hero.za.net/mac/screenshot-mac-irc.png08:14
TinuvaMachttp://thor.hero.za.net/mac/screenshot-mac-safari-browser.png08:14
TinuvaMachttp://thor.hero.za.net/mac/screenshot-mac-notifications-today.png08:14
TinuvaMachttp://thor.hero.za.net/mac/screenshot-mac-notifications-actual.png08:14
TinuvaMacthere you go Kilos08:14
Kilosty TinuvaMac 08:15
TinuvaMacwell thats the newest mac osx anyway08:16
TinuvaMacthe previous version was more classic08:16
Kilos?08:16
TinuvaMacbut i only ran it for like a week before the new version came out08:16
Kilosfirst one dont show the dock thing, do you hide the dock08:16
TinuvaMacyeah i hide 08:16
TinuvaMacotherwise it takes that bottom space away from windows08:17
Kiloswhere is it ? thats what i actually want to see08:17
TinuvaMaci like to be able to make windows go bigger08:17
TinuvaMaccheck the 2nd link i posted08:17
Kilosok08:17
TinuvaMacnamed dock-not-hidden08:17
Kilosah08:17
TinuvaMacbut again, thats the  new dock in OSX 10.1008:17
TinuvaMacin 10.9 it looked completely different08:17
TinuvaMacin 10.9 it was more 3d'ish08:18
TinuvaMaccairo dock probably mimicks the older 10.9 dock08:18
Kilosoh ya, elementaryos looks the same08:18
TinuvaMacah ok08:18
Kilosnice car08:18
Kilosty for that08:18
TinuvaMachaha yeah, love eleanor08:18
TinuvaMacwell glad you like it08:19
TinuvaMacbut even though elementaryos tries to look like mac, it will never be the same really08:19
TinuvaMacosx still has a massive edge08:20
TinuvaMacits as easy as windows, if not easier, and has the power of unix behind it08:20
TinuvaMaci never used to like apple products, but this osx convinced me to join the i-herd08:20
TinuvaMacso now i am too, an i-sheep08:20
charlgood morning08:31
charlMaaz: coffee on08:31
* Maaz puts the kettle on08:31
MaazCoffee's ready for charl!08:35
Kiloshi charl 08:36
Kiloshmm... curried kaaiings even better08:38
charlMaaz: danke08:54
MaazBitteschön08:54
charlhi Kilos 08:54
Kiloshi gremble 09:13
grembleHey Kilos 09:18
charlhi Cantide 13:03
Cantidehi!13:03
Cantideit's been a long time 'o'13:03
Cantidehow have you been?13:03
Cantide>_>13:04
Kilos-hi Cantide 13:06
Cantidehallo '-'13:06
charlmoshi moshi13:15
Cantideo'o13:15
Cantideyeobusaeyo?13:15
charloh now i get it13:16
CantideI hear Japan has entered a recession13:16
charlyou've been in asia for too long you speak in emoticons now13:16
Cantidelol13:16
Cantidei did this before coming to Asia13:16
Cantidei've only been here a year ,_,13:16
charlbe careful or you'll turn into a weeaboo13:16
Cantidewhat's that?13:17
charlhave you seen filthy frank's show over weeaboos13:17
Cantide'o'13:17
Cantidei haven't13:17
charlok one moment13:17
Cantidenor do i know who filthy frank is13:17
charlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFQQALduhzA13:17
Cantideaha13:19
Cantidei see13:19
Cantidei'm totally not a weeaboo13:19
Cantidehis voice will drive me mad, so i'll pause this :p13:19
charltrue, true13:20
Cantideaahhhhhhhhhhhhh13:20
Cantidei skipped a bit13:20
Cantidehe has a wig13:20
Cantideahahaahahaha13:20
charlthat guy is past crazy13:22
charlwaaaaay past crazy13:22
charlcrazy was a long time ago13:22
Cantidei think he has permanently damaged his voice13:23
Cantideand soon he will sound like a weeaboo forever13:23
Cantidebut he does make good points13:23
Cantideand makes a lot of sense13:23
Cantidewhilst disrespecting many people13:24
somaunnHello Guys15:37
somaunnHello Kilos-15:38
Kilos-hi somaunn 15:38
somaunnWhat news ???15:39
somaunnPossible to get a full ubuntu image ?15:51
somaunnwith KDE and GNOME and all these desktops in there ?15:52
Kilos-lol16:01
Kilos-fighting cell phone as well16:01
Kilos-and trying to get whatsapp in pidgin16:01
somaunnKilos-: fighting for whatsapp.... massive lol16:03
Kilos-i want to use it in pidgin16:04
Kilos-fone too small for me to use comfortably16:04
somaunnlolol16:04
Kilos-and working on a motherboard that had the graphics card socket broken out16:07
somaunnjust buy a new graphic bro16:07
Kilos-no its the socket where the graphics card plugs in that has been broken off the board16:09
Kilos-so many pins sticking up in the air16:09
Kilos-all bent and buckled and touching each other etc16:10
somaunnbad news bro bad news16:10
Kilos-i want to remove one from another board and solder it in place but good eyes needed16:11
Kilos-pins very close to each other16:11
Kilos-hi ,joe16:53
Kilos-hmm...16:53
Kilos-Joe_knock: 16:53
Kilos-thats better16:53
Joe_knockHey there Kilos- 16:53
Kilos-oh my16:54
Joe_knockUsername change?16:54
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Kilosmust have disconnected sometime16:54
Kilosevening superfly 16:56
Kiloshi z3r009 16:56
z3r009sup16:56
Kilosnot much and you?16:57
z3r009same, just setting up openvpn.16:57
Joe_knockz3r009 looks new16:57
Kilosya16:57
z3r009i am new. yes. 16:58
Kilosnow and again we attrack newcomers that stay16:58
Kilosattract16:58
Kilosi go eat17:00
z3r009uh, can I ask a vague question?(besides this one)17:04
Joe_knocksure z3r009 17:10
Joe_knockI may reply slow, I have to afk.17:11
z3r009i forgot how to fix this, but how do you solve that ubuntu error where it won't apt-get stuff?17:12
Joe_knockthat's not vague. what command isn't working and what is the error?17:13
z3r009the network connection is working, might've had something to with headers..17:17
z3r009apt-get install and apt-get update fails.17:17
z3r009yea, i'm not on ubuntu right now, so forgot the error, but i've encountered it a bunch of times on fresh installs of ubuntu/mint17:19
z3r009pretty vague without the error code..17:23
Kilosz3r009: sudo apt-get update does what?17:23
Kilosmaybe a morror is down17:23
Kilosmirror17:23
z3r009oh well, i'll fix it later. 17:24
Kiloswhere are you?17:25
Kilosjust run update manager and choose best server17:25
Kilosthen it finds the best one for you17:26
z3r009cool.17:27
Joe_knockstrange request.17:51
Kiloshe is new to linux i think17:52
Joe_knockhe should definitely be using the update manager then.17:52
Kilosi forget who he is, the was someone came here too that had to install ubuntu on 10 lappies at work i think, might be him17:55
inetpromaybe he tried doing it without sudo17:56
inetprogood evening17:56
Kilosthen it should tell him you dont have permission inetpro not so?17:56
Kiloshi there\17:56
KilosUnable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?17:57
inetprotrue, but he didn't give the exact error message, did he?17:57
Kilosremember i also battled in the beginning because many guides and help places dont tell noobs about sudo17:58
Kilosat least update manager with ask for a  password17:58
Kilosi wonder now if he is the windows guy installing ubuntu on them 10 lappeis for his company18:02
Kilosi got the idea they are going to market them as dual boot lappies18:02
Joe_knockselling them? I'd buy one.18:03
Kilosserious?18:04
Kilosi think they were to dual boot with win8.118:04
inetprowow!18:06
Joe_knockI've been looking for a new laptop for a while now. We have terrible prices in SA18:06
inetproWhatsapp integrating Textsecure to make it the largest deployment of end-to-end encryption ever http://wrd.cm/1vmuG0g18:06
Kilosill try remember if he pops in again Joe_knock 18:07
Kiloswhatsapp is ok i think for light conversations18:08
Joe_knockhopefully the price isn't +1000 the regular price.18:08
Kilosseen some reports on court cases where the get whatsapp logs to use as evidence'18:09
Kilosill ask Joe_knock 18:09
Kilosyou want windows too?18:09
Joe_knockIt's weird how whatsapp is american when most of the users are cost-savers and this same app could've been built in a third-world country.18:09
Joe_knockif the windows is there or not, it's fine.18:09
Kiloshehe if i ever get one first thing i do is wipe win18:10
Joe_knockdo you still have interest in consumer things?18:11
Kiloswhats that?18:12
Kiloseggs and bread18:12
Joe_knockthose are basics. things like iphone 6 and android tablet, etc. 18:12
Kilosoh no i dont have money for that kinda stuff, got a xperia only for whatsapp and working to get whatsapp in pidgin then the fone gets shelved18:14
Kilosi have an old nokia that can do sms and fone calls18:14
Kilospc must do everything else18:14
Kilosbut having spent some time on the xperia i will maybe be able to use a tablet now18:15
Kilosthe touch screen and android frightened me to start with18:15
Joe_knockaah so it kind of "is" there.18:18
Kiloshehe ya18:18
Kilosim to old for all this new stuff18:18
inetprojust need to be careful that we don't get a false sense of security now with whatsapp, they can still do anything in the background when integrating to their solution18:20
Kilosz3r009: 18:21
Kilostalk to me18:21
Kilosare you the one installing ubuntu onto 10 lappies18:21
Joe_knocksounds dodgy to me. facebook will have a backdoor.18:21
Kilosbest place to chat serious stuff is pidgin otr18:22
Kilosirc otr is hard work18:22
Kilosmaybe dcc chat is safe i dunno18:23
charldcc chat is also plaintext when it goes over the wire18:23
charlirssi supports otr too over irc18:23
grembleHmm, there is an encrpyted chat extention for chrome called cryptocat18:23
Kilosbut isnt it direct between the 2 pcs18:23
grembleKilos: even if something is direct, it can still easily be extracted18:24
Kilosoi18:24
grembleman in the middle18:24
Kiloswhat is in the middle of dcc chat?18:24
Joe_knockThe fibre optic cable 18:25
Kiloslol18:25
Kilosso much safer than whatsapp and facebook chat18:25
Kilosoh you mean someone can eavesdrop via the cable18:26
grembleEavesdrop in your computer, in the computer of the recipient, as the service provider18:27
grembleIf it is not encrypted, it is probably bad18:27
Kiloswow wont my firewall block them?18:27
Joe_knockyep, for all the so-called "software encryption", there is still major control over the actual hardware.18:27
Kilosso otr is still the best18:28
Kilosthen the 2 pcs encrypt to each other right?18:28
Kilosinetpro: temm me man18:33
Kilostell me18:33
inetprohaha, no point in encrypting irc apart from when you enter your password18:35
Kiloshaha18:35
grembleYou can connect to the IRC using SSL18:35
grembleOr you can connect to a TOR relay that encrypts using SSL/TLS and also bouncing the connection through a couple of relays18:36
inetprogremble: that's just between you and the server18:36
grembleYes18:36
Kilossjoe18:36
grembleWhat else would you want to do?18:36
gremblehaha18:36
charlotr, simple18:37
grembleThe content is sort of - public?18:37
Kilospidgin otr it is18:37
charlworks across all protocols and has been around for years and years18:37
charlirssi otr, pidgin otr, any client supporting otr across any protocol18:37
inetproany other party who does not do the encryption thing is your weakest link18:37
Kilosirc otr is lots of work, pidgin is much easier to setup18:38
inetproconsider everything public18:38
charldepends on the client Kilos 18:38
Kiloswell, luckily i dont have deep dark sectrets to expose18:39
Kilosirc is ok for me18:39
Kilossecrets18:39
Kilossjoe18:39
charlinetpro: i'm not even sure if otr works in group conversations, but i never tried it, but for one to one it's ok18:40
charland you still need to trust the other party that they are not logging the conversation regardless18:40
charlthat in addition to their computer not being vulnerable18:41
inetprofor proper security you need to look at a number of factors18:41
charlwhat the nsa will do is they will simply bypass the cryptography and exploit the endpoints18:41
charlhi magespawn 18:41
magespawngood evening18:41
Kiloshi magespawn 18:41
magespawnhi charl18:41
charlhow are you magespawn 18:42
inetprofor some tips see Methodology at https://www.eff.org/secure-messaging-scorecard 18:42
gremblehosepype decryption18:42
magespawno/ Kilos18:42
inetprohi magespawn18:42
magespawnhi inetpro18:42
Joe_knocksouth africa is insignificant to the world. all they can do is log about the racist commenters there at news2418:43
charlsheesh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber-hose_cryptanalysis18:43
charlIn cryptography, rubber-hose cryptanalysis is the extraction of cryptographic secrets (e.g. the password to an encrypted file) from a person by coercion or torture[1][2]—such as beating that person with a rubber hose, thus the name—in contrast to a mathematical or technical cryptanalytic attack.18:44
grembleMuch cheaper than most other methods18:44
grembleLooking for the XCKD comic on encryption, found this instead https://xkcd.com/424/18:47
TonberryI was reaching for http://xkcd.com/538/18:47
grembleThat was the one I was looking for18:48
gremble:P18:48
Kilosoh wow got a dual core pc here that you cant change drives unless you drill pop rivets out of the back cover and small sidw=e cover18:49
Kilosdefinitely not made for peeps like me18:52
Joe_knockhow big is the drive?18:53
Kilos40g18:54
Kilosi want to build it up for my sis who only has a p318:55
Kilosshe still thinks 40g is massive18:55
charlwaaaaaat18:56
Joe_knockit may be enough for her if she just wants it for browsing/email.18:57
Kiloshaha 18:57
charlwell my laptop has 128gb ssd and frankly that's enough for me too18:57
Joe_knockit's strange that a dual core is using 40GB. How old is it?18:57
Joe_knockcharl how is the experience watching an HD video with an SSD?18:58
Kilosshe plays age of empires 2 and keeps all her photos and music, browses with tablet18:58
charlJoe_knock: the same as watching an HD video from regular HDD18:58
charlthe bitrate is too low, an HDD is fine18:58
Joe_knockaah I see.18:58
charleven for high quality 4k i believe (haven't tried)18:59
Joe_knockage of empires 2... so she will need windows18:59
Kilosya19:01
Kilosoh wow some more19:04
Joe_knockyou guys watching the friendly games tonight?19:05
Kiloseverything is behind the from cover with screws and plastic clips that hols the hdd brakets in place19:05
charlwb magespawn 19:07
Joe_knockimgur? Kilos 19:08
Kilosis that a pic paste thing19:08
Joe_knockyep, send us a picture of the rig.19:11
Kiloslet me see if i can make this xperia take a pic then find how to make bluetooth work19:13
Kilosmy nokias memory card is in the xperia sigh19:13
Joe_knockdo you have a USB cable?19:15
Kilosnot that shows up the thing on my pc19:17
Kiloshave usb cable that fits in it from my nokia but pc dont see anything19:17
Kilosmaybe i have to install some android stuff in kubuntu to make it work19:19
Kilosinetpro: help man19:19
Kilosmaaz google how to connect xperia to kubuntu pc19:20
MaazKilos: "[How-To] Connect an Android device using MTP in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS ..." http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2226702 :: "How to transfer files betwen my Xperia Neo (Android 2.3)" http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/14694/file-transfer-how-to-transfer-files-betwen-my-xperia-neo-android-2-3-and-kubu :: "linux - Can't explore files on my Sony Xperia U19:20
Maazusing my Ubuntu ..." http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/36376/cant-explore-files…19:20
Kiloshmm... looking for setting to make it usb mode19:28
KilosJoe_knock: this could take a while19:28
bushtechai kilos19:29
Kilosmaybe easier to just put the memory card back in the nokia19:29
Kilosek sukkel man19:29
KilosJoe_knock: http://picpaste.com/Image0080-VjRBoCIC.jpg19:37
Kilossee basic nokia much easier19:37
bushtechwhat do those 2 blue thingies do on the front?19:39
Kilossien jy dit bushtech ?19:39
bushtechyep19:39
Kilosthose are the plastic clips that hold drive bracket in place19:40
Kilosyou lever them in and pull drives19:40
bushtechso dont you release drive with them?19:41
Kilosafter removing screws of course19:41
Kilosthe whloe drive bracket comes out so you can add/remove the drives19:41
bushtechso what's the problem?19:42
Kilosno prob now anymore. i couldnt see how to get to drive screws before19:43
Joe_knockthat is quite an old machine there19:43
Kilosnow i gotta pull out them front cover wires that go to m/b as well 19:44
Kilossigh19:44
Kilosalways battle to get them back right19:44
bushtechyes make note of where they go19:44
Kiloseish19:45
Kilosdrive rivetted into bracket too19:45
Joe_knocktake enough photos of the structure before dismantling19:45
Kiloswhat a horrible pc for a player19:45
bushtechor take photo :)19:45
Kilosill remember most of it, i can do things i can see19:46
bushtechdrive riveted into bracket???19:46
Kilosya19:46
Kilosno screws on the sides , only rivets19:46
bushtechholy moly!19:46
Kilosthis was definitely made to only go to the agents for repairs19:47
bushtechthis thing built by a panel beater?19:47
Kilosrofl19:47
Kilosnever seen anything like it19:47
bushtechok, but you just want to put another drive in there?19:48
Kilosyes i want to add a drive but first19:49
Kilosi want to clone her 13g to the 40g then resize the 40g so it has spanne space then add her 13g as a second drive19:50
Kilosshe want it to work same as her p3 just faster and with more space19:51
Kiloshehe19:51
bushtechok, but you dont need to pop rivet the replacement drive in there19:51
Kilosno ill use screws19:51
bushtechjust let the repl. drive lie loose in there\19:51
bushtechor cable tie it to something 19:52
Kilosbut i need to remove this ones rivets to bring the drive to my pc so i can try that dd command to clone the drives19:52
Kilosnee man goed moet vas wees19:52
bushtechcrap19:52
Kiloslol19:53
bushtechtake drive with bracket to other computer19:53
Kilosdo you use cable ties and prestic there?19:53
Kilosoh ya19:53
Kilosclever fella19:53
bushtechanything that works19:53
bushtechdon't go jogging with my computers so stuff don't need bolting down19:54
Kiloslol19:54
Kilosill take pics of those cables tomorrow in the sunlight19:54
Kiloswhew what a job19:55
Kilosmy whole bed full of bits and pieces,19:55
bushtechplease make notes, take photos19:56
Kilosyip will do19:56
Kiloseven the screws are different to those on my other pcs19:57
bushtechwhere do you find this stuff?19:59
bushtechrhetorical question/ignore20:00
bushtechheh you remind me of a guy who popped up on an irc one night, got a new gpu but it didn't fit into his box...........20:02
bushtechso he cut a piece off it and then popped up on irc  wondering why it didn't work20:03
Joe_knock:-/20:03
bushtechthat channel went very quiet20:04
Kilosmy boet gave it to me20:07
Kilosbefore he left for dubai20:07
bushtechdoes he like you?20:07
Kiloshahaha maybe not. but he is one of those who has money and buys things custom built to suit his needs and if it gives probs he takes it back20:08
bushtechhmmm20:09
Kilosonly thing on it that dont still work is the dvdrom that has a stuck door20:09
Kiloswas a good pc in its time i think20:10
Kiloskinda top of the range'20:10
Kilos2g dual core20:10
bushtechsilicon spray the door mechanism20:10
Kiloscrawler in todays times20:10
Kilosi dont have that spray but have it in liquid form so will open it and see wassup20:11
Kilosthe silicon liquid they use to lubricate injection things with20:12
bushtechshould work20:12
magespawngood night all20:14
Kilosnight guys. sleep tight20:17
bushtechnight Kilos20:17
somaunnhello guys21:39
somaunnI'm having a strange issue with my KDE install since few days now21:40
somaunnas soon as i reduce certain windows (skype, vlc to be precise) my KDM goes blanck (black screen and white bar at the bottom21:40
somaunnthen can do nothiung else than go to another tty and reboot everything21:40

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