[00:01] <allee> I can cd to build-area fix there the patch and copy back to the debian dir in merge-mode .  But would prefer that bd-do does this on exit for me.
[00:04] <shadeslayer> allee: whats bzr bd-do
[00:04] <allee> short vor bzr builddep-do
[00:04] <shadeslayer> ah
[00:05] <shadeslayer> you do realize we don't use bzr anymore right
[00:05] <shadeslayer> git ftw
[00:05] <allee> one, digikam pkg moved to git at anon
[00:05] <allee> ?
[00:06] <shadeslayer> anon?
[00:06] <allee> shadeslayer: you know the git URL to clone the digikam pkgs repo?
[00:07] <allee> oh, oh, AFAIR digikam debian pkging and ubuntus pkging diverted quite a bit
[00:08] <shadeslayer> probably somewhere on http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/
[00:08] <shadeslayer> or well
[00:08] <shadeslayer> http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-kde/kde-extras/digikam/trunk/
[00:08] <shadeslayer> maybe time for a merge? :)
[00:09] <shadeslayer> anyway
[00:09] <shadeslayer> sleepy time for me
[00:09] <shadeslayer> night
[00:18] <allee> shadeslayer: thx.   Same here.  Sleep well.
[00:19] <allee> Hmm, looks like digikam is still manged in svn.  I'll postpone merge to the PIM / Kubuntu sprint
[00:25] <valorie> !
[00:25] <valorie> on teh KDE end?
[00:26] <valorie> I thought we got the last of the kde projects out of SVN
[00:26] <valorie> aside from artwork and translations
[00:26] <valorie> and etc.
[00:27] <allee> valorie: no, svn for pkging done in debian
[00:28] <valorie> https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/graphics/digikam/digikam-software-compilation/repository
[00:28] <valorie> ah
[00:28] <valorie> got it
[00:28] <valorie> well, when we package it, we'll put it in git
[00:28] <valorie> and then debian will be able to use that
[00:28] <valorie> win-win
[00:32] <allee> valorie: yes.  But AFAIU this means migrating debian digikan svn into git first, then merging  our (quite different) pkging.    At least svn->git I'm not qualified at all.
[00:33] <valorie> sure, I guess we'll have a bit of this work ahead of us in the next months
[00:33] <valorie> it will end up helping everyone though
[00:34] <allee> valorie: yes!
[00:34] <valorie> all help is welcome, and you can *become* qualified
[00:35] <valorie> probably not at this hour of the day, though
[03:28] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Riddell fixed ktorrent already.
[08:18] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:22] <Riddell> hola
[08:23] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, how are you doing?
[08:36] <Riddell> lordievader: about to give a talk on kubuntu to blue systems, wish me luck :)
[08:36] <lordievader> Whoo, good luck :D You'll do fine!
[08:39] <lordievader> mokush in #kubuntu has troubles installing Kate with the Kubuntu Next ppa installed. The dependencies are at a newer version due to the ppa while the kate package still comes from the regular archive and depends on the package versions from the archive. Thus resulting in unmet dependencies. How can we help this user?
[09:16] <shadeslayer> ScottK: so replacement not required then?
[09:33] <JackWolfSkin_> Riddell: apport port was not originally on the porting card so there is no port :P
[09:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: not required but it's unmaintained and cluttered so there may still be good reasons
[09:45]  * valorie hands JackWolfSkin_ the port
[09:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: why would you want to do that now?
[09:45] <shadeslayer> when we've been using it for so long
[09:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't especially, it's ScottK who started the thread
[09:46] <shadeslayer> the premise of that thread is that ktorrent doesn't build/work
[09:46] <shadeslayer> so kind of useless now?
[09:46] <lordievader> Riddell: How did your talk go?
[09:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: unless people want to say there's other reasons
[09:47] <Riddell> lordievader: dunno ask shadeslayer 
[09:47] <valorie> we should always give our users the best possible experience
[09:47] <shadeslayer> it was cool :)
[09:47] <lordievader> \o/
[09:47] <valorie> but I sure do hate to move from KDE to not-KDE applications
[12:25] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:29] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I think we may, at some point, want to move off of ktorrent if it doesn't get maintained, but the immediate problem I was worried about it no longer relevant, so not a problem.
[12:40] <soee> someon using Plasma5 on a laptop ?
[12:42] <lordievader> Sortof, yes.
[12:47] <BluesKaj> soee, I am
[12:51] <ScottK> Riddell: Looks like something's still pulling libkactivities-bin onto the images.
[13:45] <Riddell> ScottK: yeah I saw, not worked out what yet
[13:47] <Riddell> but sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop^  does indeed still fail locally
[13:49] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ack, though I think it's just that the ktorrent people need pokery
[13:50] <ScottK> shadeslayer: They can start by fixing ktorrent.org.
[13:50] <BluesKaj> someone is asking if neon/kf5 is down..is it?
[13:51] <Riddell> BluesKaj: yes all of neon is dead I belive
[13:51] <BluesKaj> ok thanks Riddell
[13:57] <soee> Riddell: so now if we want Plasma5 on vivid we should use kubuntu-ci ?
[13:58] <BluesKaj> soee, yup
[13:59] <Riddell> soee: exactemente
[13:59] <Riddell> nothing about kactivities-bin in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/kubuntu.vivid/desktop
[14:00] <soee> Riddell: exactAmente ? :)
[14:00] <Riddell> por supuesto, exactamente
[14:00] <soee> :D
[14:01] <soee> Riddell: how about Utopic -> Vivid upgrade 
[14:01] <soee> if now im runnign plasma5 on utopic, what steps do i need to take to have it all working on vivid ?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> upgrade to vivid ?
[14:07] <soee> BluesKaj: ok but plasam5 is not by default in archive if im right than i wonder if it is going to be removed during upgrade ?
[14:07] <soee> and than do i have to add some extra ppa to get it back ? no?
[14:09] <Riddell> soee: yes you will
[14:09] <Riddell> or maybe it'll keep neon packages around but they won't get updated
[14:10] <Riddell> ScottK: well dunno, I can only see it in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/kubuntu.vivid/all where it's brought in as a recommends from libkactivities6 but that's no longer true
[14:11] <Riddell> I've just deleted the libkactivities-bin binary
[14:11] <soee> Riddell: so the steops are: 1. upgrade to vivid, add ppa (what ppa), full-upgrade ?
[14:11] <Riddell> so I blame germinate
[14:12] <ScottK> Did the fixed libkactivities6 migrate to the release pocket?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> soee, I added the 15.04 ppa, then just updated, upgraded and dist upgrades , so an upgrade to 15.04 first then add the ppa and proceed
[14:15] <soee> BluesKaj: what 15.04 ppa ?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> the kubuntu-ci on launchpad
[14:17] <soee> BluesKaj: ok, so wthat is the command to upgrade to dev version / i always forget it /
[14:17] <BluesKaj> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+index?field.series_filter=
[14:18] <BluesKaj> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[14:19] <soee> hmm it has kubuntu-next as a dependency ?
[14:21] <BluesKaj> then get rid of the kubuntu-next ppa
[14:22] <soee> hmm yesh, but i think ill wait till xorg-edgers add builds for vivid
[14:23] <soee> the latest nvidia drivers i just must have
[14:26] <BluesKaj> ok, that's your call...personally I still like 14.10 with plasma 4 better than 5, so I'm sticking with it on my desktop pc
[14:31] <soee> oh i dont think i coud move back to Plasma4 :)
[14:32] <lordievader> soee: Also there are different kubu-ci ppa's, landing, daily and weekly.
[14:34] <soee> lordievader: teh kubuntu-ci ppa is also available for uptopic ?
[14:35] <soee> than it replaces kubuntu-next or not ?
[14:36] <lordievader> Unstable weekly seems to be utopic: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable-weekly
[14:37] <lordievader> Hmm, landing is the only one with Vivid.
[14:37] <soee> lordievader: and what about the dependency to kubutnu-next ?
[14:37] <soee> oh wait teh weekly does not have it
[14:38] <soee> so removing kubuntu-next and adding ppa:kubuntu-ci/unstable-weekly should give me latest builds on Utopic right ?
[14:38] <soee> well latest... weekly :)
[14:38] <lordievader> What does have a dependency on Kubuntu Next?
[14:39] <lordievader> soee: ^
[14:39] <soee> lordievader: the link from BluesKaj https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+index?field.series_filter=
[14:40] <soee> check Technical details about this PPA
[14:41] <lordievader> Riddell: ^ I think that should be removed. It works fine here on Vivid without Kubu Next. (Also seeing as Kubu Next is EOL)
[14:42] <bukai> Riddell: ping
[14:44] <lordievader> Riddell, a much wanted man :P
[14:45] <bukai> lordievader: Indeed :)
[14:47] <bukai> soee: ping
[14:48] <soee> bukai: hiho
[14:50] <bukai> soee: Can I send you a pm?
[14:50] <soee> sure
[15:02] <soee_> Riddell: do you mind take a look: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9097681/ is it safe to do such upgrade (removed plasma-next ppa and added unstable-weekly)
[15:11] <Riddell> sigh, sorry internet here is broken
[15:11] <Riddell> too many people with too many laptops/phones etc
[15:11] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm no it didn't migrate
[15:12] <ScottK> That would explain it.
[15:12] <Riddell> it's moaning about no libkactivities-bin
[15:12] <ScottK> Ask infinity what to do.
[15:12] <ScottK> In theory we shoudn't have to force it.
[15:13] <Riddell> but now I've deleted libkactivities-bin
[15:13] <Riddell> maybe we need to wait another hour for that to be realised
[15:13] <Riddell> or maybe I need to detel it from proposed as well?
[15:14] <Riddell> hi bukai 
[15:14] <Riddell> soee: good question on how to install kubuntu-ci, apachelogger has failed to write any docs for it
[15:15] <yofel> what's the apps 14.12 work ppa btw.? the notes don't say that
[15:16] <Riddell> yofel: I just put kolf in vivid
[15:17] <yofel> well, non-motu's can't do that
[15:17] <Riddell> I guess for new packages at least we'll want to use a ppa so pick either ninjas or staging
[15:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ping
[15:17] <yofel> k
[15:17] <bukai> Riddell: Hi, I made a change in the download page will i keep for the other 2? 
[15:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: pong
[15:18] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: what was that asus channel we hanged out in?
[15:18] <Quintasan> it was #archos
[15:18] <Quintasan> or #asustransformer if you are sure it was asus related
[15:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: nah, archos was the one
[15:19] <shadeslayer> thx
[15:19] <Riddell> bukai: I don't know what the change is so I don't know if it needs to be kept
[15:22] <bukai> Riddell: :) I made a slider for download http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/sok/download.html as compared to stacking them up
[15:26] <bukai> Riddell: btw only the news page has to be created  and a proper footer is needed to be done. I started with the news page but as I have my semester exams going on and final year thesis submission so I can complete it earliest by the first week of Dec. Will that be ok?
[15:31] <Riddell> bukai: I don't see anything sliding in http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/sok/download.html
[15:31] <Riddell> if I click the left/right arrows it #todo
[15:32] <bukai> the arrows on the side of the download? Is it not there?
[15:32] <bukai> yes
[15:32] <bukai> there the other 2 download details will be put
[15:33] <bukai> If we decide to keep this design
[15:33] <bukai> Riddell: ^^
[15:33] <Riddell> well you should get all presented at first so you can select which one
[15:33] <shadeslayer> it looks fancy but I don't think I agree
[15:33] <Riddell> rather than have to slide through several to see what's available
[15:33] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:33] <shadeslayer> *yawn*
[15:33]  * shadeslayer needs coffee
[15:35] <bukai> Riddell: shadeslayer So I will just put it one below the other then ?
[15:36] <Riddell> bukai: or an expandable boxes like currently http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu
[15:37] <Riddell> that way it's easy to browse what's available then delve into the one you like
[15:37] <Riddell> but also that's the page that doesn't work without javascript which upset one person once
[15:38] <bukai> Yes, and I guess it wont go well with our layout
[15:40] <bukai> Riddell: The heading will be clear enough for the selection so accordion won't be necessary I guess
[15:44] <Riddell> ok
[15:56] <soee> Riddell: so we can use kubuntu-ci with Utopic right ?
[15:56] <Riddell> soee: yes it's only for utopic
[15:56] <bukai> Riddell: Any ideas about the footer? the usual stuff that is there now won't be there right?
[15:56] <soee> it is not ? i see vivid listed also for latest
[15:57] <Riddell> bukai: I think the footer should go, anything there is either useless or should go in the header
[15:58] <soee> Riddell: for example here https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable you can choose vivid or utopic
[15:58] <sgclark> I am using ci in vivid and I did when I was in utopic
[15:58] <bukai> Riddell: Ok so no footer? Not even the copyright thing?
[15:59] <Riddell> bukai: right
[15:59] <soee> sgclark: so im a bit confused now :) Riddell said its for Utopic but it seems its for Vivid also, also https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable has dependency set to kubuntu next
[16:00] <lordievader> Only the landing ppa is for Vivid according to Launchpad.
[16:00] <lordievader> Daily and weekly are only available for Utopic.
[16:01] <Riddell> soee: looks like it's utopic and vivid
[16:01] <Riddell> soee: and I uges sfor utopic you need to use kubuntu next
[16:01] <soee> ok but the general purpose of kubuntu-ci is to provide latest builds of Plasma5, KF5 etc ?
[16:02] <Riddell> soee: builds of git master
[16:02] <Riddell> (stable still to be done)
[16:02] <Riddell> soee: so it replaces neon5
[16:02] <Riddell> but it uses the same packaging as our packages
[16:03] <Riddell> so it'll help us packagers
[16:04] <lordievader> You guys are doing a great job though, it may be called unstable but here it has been quite stable :D
[16:07] <soee> this builds contain also new applications ?
[16:09] <sgclark> soee: not yet, I and hopefully others are working on them now
[16:10] <soee> ok :) sgclark you ar eon vivid with kubuntu-ci ?
[16:10] <sgclark> yes
[16:11] <soee> any crashes or some serious problems when using it ?
[16:11] <sgclark> the only real annoyance is I can't seem to use kate and dolphin at the same time, not sure what is going on there
[16:14] <lordievader> sgclark: Just tested that here, works fine...
[16:15] <sgclark> okie dokie
[16:15] <sgclark> my machine has gremlins then
[16:15] <lordievader> Haven't you been nice to your gremlins? O.O
[16:16] <soee> ok so i think il try the jump :) 
[16:17] <soee> so: 1. do-release-upgrade -d 2. add kubutnu-ci ppa upgrade etc. 3. Be happy using Plasma5 on Vivid ?
[16:17] <lordievader> soee: Good luck, and have fun ;)
[16:20] <bukai> Riddell: regarding the SoK do I have to fill in some status report?
[16:21] <Riddell> bukai: not that I know of no
[16:21] <Riddell> bukai: not better than that would be to get a blog and write blog updates
[16:21] <sgclark> yes blog once a month is mandatory is what I was told
[16:21] <Riddell> s/not/but/
[16:22] <bukai> Ok, shall do it. 
[16:23] <Riddell> bukai: then submit a bug on bugs.kde.org with rss url and hackergotchi image so I can add it to planet kde
[16:24] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9099200/
[16:24] <Riddell> sgclark: this is packaging 14.12 amor?
[16:24] <sgclark> yes
[16:25] <Riddell> sgclark: where does the package install it to?
[16:25] <sgclark> usr/games/amor
[16:26] <Riddell> sgclark: so it's just the bug of $PATH not being set right
[16:26] <sgclark> did we set that path somewhere in kde4?
[16:26] <sgclark> yes
[16:26] <sgclark> well the first error anyway
[16:26] <Riddell> sgclark: it's a bug in utopic both kde4 and plasma5
[16:27] <soee> oh do-release-upgrade -d fails :)
[16:27] <Riddell> sgclark: I guess Kicker has same issue as terminal, it's not in the path
[16:31] <soee> sgclark: did you have the same: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9099284/ ?
[16:31] <sgclark> soee: oh yeah, I disabled those extra in sources.list
[16:33] <bukai> Riddell: What bug will i submit?
[16:41] <Riddell> bukai: "please subscribe me to planet"
[16:43] <bukai> Riddell: what is the product I need to select for this?
[16:45] <Riddell> bukai: planety kde
[16:49] <sgclark> Riddell: so I guess I need to know if I should commit this or do I need to somehow set PATH?
[16:52] <Riddell> add export PATH=/usr/games:$PATH  to the top of /usr/bin/startkde
[17:07] <yofel> shouldn't that be part of the default PATH?
[17:07] <yofel> /etc/login.defs:ENV_PATH        PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
[17:07] <yofel> or did that change recently..
[17:07] <bukai> Riddell: I need to provide the rss url for ? 
[17:07] <yofel> /etc/environment:PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games"
[17:09] <bukai> Riddell: i mean rss url of what?
[17:09] <yofel> your blog
[17:10] <yofel> or well, the feed for the posts on your blog that are meant for planet kde (category, tag, whatever...)
[17:10] <sgclark> yofel: hmm interesting, yes usr games is in there. but I get these errors http://paste.ubuntu.com/9099200/
[17:11] <yofel> yeah, curious
[17:11] <yofel> what's PATH set to if you open a new shell and look at env?
[17:11] <sgclark> oh /bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin
[17:12] <yofel> I wonder if sddm messes with the environment
[17:12] <soee> shoul di care about this warnings during upgrade http://paste.ubuntu.com/9099979/ ?
[17:12] <yofel> soee: nope
[17:12] <sgclark> soee: hmm dunno, looks scary though
[17:13] <sgclark> guess not lol
[17:13] <soee> okey :)
[17:13] <yofel> well, there's a chance that something in gtk might not quite look right. Usually it shouldn't matter
[17:14] <soee> there were also some other warnigns: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9100033/
[17:15] <yofel> I'm guessing that's ok... assuming the package in the archive is the correct one
[17:17] <soee> also: dpkg: warning: libkf5sysguard5-data: conffile '/etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.kde.ksysguard.processlisthelper.conf' is not a plain file or symlink (= '/etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.kde.ksysguard.processlisthelper.conf')
[17:18] <yofel> that would be bad. What is it actually?
[17:20] <Riddell> bukai: yes of your blog that you want subscribed
[17:21] <soee> yofel: not sure, the same warnig was posted also when i did previous upgrades i think
[17:21] <Riddell> sgclark, yofel: yes it's a longstanding bug for utopic, fixes welcome
[17:22] <Riddell> it may well be an issue with sddm I don't know
[17:22] <Riddell> but I think it's also in plasma 4 image
[17:22] <yofel> soee: what does "file /etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.kde.ksysguard.processlisthelper.conf" say?
[17:22] <soee> yofel: wait a few moments till my upgrade finish
[17:39] <soee> yofel: /etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.kde.ksysguard.processlisthelper.conf: directory
[17:39] <yofel> sounds familiar..
[17:39] <yofel> soee: empty or not?
[17:40] <soee> yofel: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 314 Oct  2 19:04 org.kde.ksysguard.processlisthelper.conf
[17:40] <yofel> ...
[17:40] <yofel> great :/
[17:40] <soee> so thi is inside
[17:41] <soee> so it should not be a dirtectory but fiel or simlink that is placed inside ?
[17:42] <yofel> should be the file itself really
[17:42] <yofel> /etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.kde.ksysguard.processlisthelper.conf: exported SGML document, ASCII text
[17:42] <soee> so i wonder how this happend and if i should try to manually fix it ?
[17:44] <soee> brb reboot, oh btw during upgrade also:http://paste.ubuntu.com/9100393/
[17:46] <Riddell> ScottK: removed libkactivities-bin 4:4.13.3-0ubuntu3 from vivid-proposed, that should help it transition
[17:48] <soee> back
[17:48] <soee> lordievader: ping
[17:49] <lordievader> soee: Pong
[17:50] <soee> lordievader: after upgrade to vivid from Utopic + Plasma5 i have Plasam5 installed without using kubuntu-ci
[17:50] <lordievader> soee: Hmm, where does plasma-desktop come from?
[17:52] <soee> 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ vivid/universe amd64 Packages
[17:52] <lordievader> soee: What version?
[17:53] <Riddell> soee: for kubuntu-ci you will need the next PPA to get the meta package
[17:53] <Riddell> then you can install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop
[17:53] <soee> lordievader: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9100757/
[17:54] <soee> Riddell: but do i have to ?
[17:54] <lordievader> Heh, is 5.1 in the archives :)
[17:55] <soee> yeah so kubuntu-ci is not required right ?
[17:55] <sgclark> I don't recall installing kubuntu-plasma5-desktop in my vivid upgrade
[17:55] <sgclark> soee: no it is not required, never was, just for those that like to live on the edge
[17:56] <lordievader> sgclark: Does apt-get autoremove want to remove the entire plasma5 with you too?
[17:56] <sgclark> eh wut?
[17:57] <soee> yofel: so any idea what to do ith this one file problem ?
[17:57] <Riddell> soee: no you can install stuff individually if you want but you might miss something
[17:57] <yofel> soee: replace the directory with the file inside it
[17:57] <lordievader> sgclark: I'm not sure why but apt finds that all plasma5 packages are not needed and can be removed -.-
[17:57]  * sgclark is very confused
[17:57] <soee> yofel: please confirm also that this file is empty
[17:58] <sgclark> lordievader: nope, does not want to for me
[17:58] <soee> lordievader: nope, i can confirm what sgclark said
[17:58] <lordievader> Hmm... 
[17:58] <yofel> soee: it isn't... is there a .dpkg-new file?
[17:58]  * lordievader wonders what meta package he is missing..
[17:59] <soee> yofel: ah ok now its not empty 
[18:01] <soee> yofel: ok i did manual move
[18:01] <yofel> ok, should be fine in the future then
[18:02] <soee> the sddm issue with nvidia-prime has not been fixed yet rigth ?
[18:03] <sgclark> dunno, I gave up on it and now manually install my drivers
[18:04] <soee> brb
[18:08] <Riddell> JackWolfSkin_: fix your silly nickname
[18:08] <Riddell> JackWolfSkin_: what do you think of this? https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs#Kubuntu_CI
[18:11] <soee> sddm does not work when trying to use nvidia card, works with intel though
[18:11] <lordievader> Is he in hiding again?
[18:12] <soee> hiding ?
[18:12] <lordievader> soee: apachelogger ;)
[18:12] <soee> ah ok :)
[18:14] <soee> guys one more thing now when im on Vivid the About module shows Kubuntu, but in grup we have Ubuntu
[18:14] <soee> *grub
[18:16] <sgclark> soee: grub will never go back to kubuntu. upkeep was more than it was worth
[18:16] <sgclark> at least that is what the changelog said :)
[18:17] <soee> :(
[18:22] <Riddell> soee: please read over https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs#Kubuntu_Continuous_Integration_.28CI.29 
[18:22] <Riddell> does it make sense?
[18:22] <Riddell> that grub change caused all sorts of problems
[18:22] <Riddell> and kubuntu is part of ubuntu, I don't want to hide that
[18:25] <sgclark> yeah but those that multiboot, it would be nice to know which one kubuntu and which is ubuntu
[18:26] <sgclark> just sayin
[18:32] <Riddell> true
[18:32] <Riddell> but why multiboot between kubuntu and ubuntu?  it's the same thing
[18:33] <sgclark> Riddell: I don't know lol, back in my multiboot days I had 12 different distros for no particular reason :)
[18:34] <sgclark> I am down to one :)
[18:37] <Riddell> JackWolfSkin_: I'll kill the content on https://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE
[18:38] <Riddell> sgclark: we win!
[18:38] <sgclark> :)
[18:39] <soee> Riddell: ok after quick read we need kubutnu-next ppa and install kubutnu-plasma5-desktop only on Utopic right? On vivid we just want to add kubuntu-ci/unstable and just upgrade ?
[18:40] <sgclark> hmm, ci is not required... is it?
[18:40] <sgclark> plasma5 is in archive, or at least it is supposed to be
[18:41] <Riddell> soee: yep (and mind vivid is unstable)
[18:41] <Riddell> sgclark: no it's not
[18:41] <sgclark> what? ci is required?
[18:41] <sgclark> that doesnt make sense
[18:42] <Riddell> sgclark: it's not required, it's useful if you want to develop against KDE Git and it's useful for us to keep an eye on the jenkins at http://kci.pangea.pub/ for packaging problems against kubuntu git
[18:42] <Riddell> problems against kde git rather
[18:42] <Riddell> sgclark: but those of us wanting to develop kubuntu vivid should use kubuntu vivid
[18:42] <sgclark> right I kinow that and use it, but you were just saying it is required in vivid. and it is not
[18:42] <sgclark> proposed perhaps
[18:43] <sgclark> anyway I have a functional system on my laptop that does not use ci
[18:43] <lordievader> Riddell: I just saw a paste where plasma-desktop v5.1 came from the archive.
[18:44] <sgclark> yeah I swear I was hitting refresh on a ton of plasma5 stuff in archive one night
[18:44] <lordievader> soee: ^
[18:44] <soee> yeah this is also strange if Riddell says its not in archive 
[18:45] <soee> *Vivivd
[18:48] <yofel> er, plasma-desktop is in the archive
[18:48] <soee> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-desktop/
[18:48] <Riddell> it's in vivid
[18:48] <yofel> kubuntu-plasma5-desktop isn't
[18:49] <soee> ah so thats why all works fine after upgrade, i had kubuntu-plasma5-desktop installed before so all dependencies where to
[18:49] <lordievader> Yes, Vivid. Wasn't that what we were talking about?
[18:50] <sgclark> I was
[18:52] <sgclark> I am on vivid for both laptop and desktop. laptop normal plasma5 install and desktop is living on the edge with ci
[18:52] <sgclark> I may have enabled proposed on laptop tho
[18:52] <soee> in on Vivid + Plasma 5 on laptop :) works fine 
[18:53] <soee> as this is my daily work machine at home, i wont risk now using ci
[18:53] <lordievader> My test laptop runs Vivid + systemd + Plasma5 :D
[18:53] <yofel> I want to have plasma5 fully in the archive first with apps before I got to vivid
[19:02] <soee> any news about new activities manager in plasma 5.2 ?
[19:13] <Riddell> ScottK: kactivities now in -release!
[19:15] <Riddell> lordievader: infact plasma 5.1 is in utopic Plasma 5
[19:16] <lordievader> Well there we go :D
[21:08] <soee> is it possible to somehow use with current plasma https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340900 ?
[23:12] <soee> ah cool :) i have upgrade kactivities from unstable ppa and now i can define shortcuts to selected activities :)
[23:13] <soee> time to remove virtual desktop and stick again to activities