[11:57] <joern_> hi everyone, hi amjjawad!
[11:58] <amjjawad> Hello joern_
[11:58] <amjjawad> Hi everyone, I am here and waiting the start :)
[12:01] <eliasps> Hello :)
[12:01] <Destine> hi
[12:01] <amjjawad> Hello eliasps :)
[12:02] <rafaellaguna_> amjjawad ;)
[12:02] <amjjawad> Hello rafaellaguna_ :D
[12:02] <eliasps> Destine, amjjawad, rafaellaguna :)
[12:05] <amjjawad> I guess I just have to wait until someone starts the meeting, correct?!
[12:05] <jared> amjjawad: we need quorum to start
[12:05] <jared> !rmb
[12:05] <amjjawad> Okay, thanks jared :)
[12:08] <popey> hmm
[12:08] <popey> I'm not listed there (still)
[12:08] <popey> nor is rick
[12:09] <amjjawad> Hello popey :)
[12:09] <jared> Sorry popey, I guess we could update that and it would no doubt help
[12:09] <popey> ubottu: rmb is cjohnston, cyphermox, Destine, ejat,  hggdh, IdleOne, iulian, micahg,  Pendulum, PabloRubienes, freeflying, jared, s-fox, amachu, chilicuil, rickspencer3 and popey. Meeting time.
[12:09] <rickspencer3> o/
[12:09] <popey> ubottu: no rmb is cjohnston, cyphermox, Destine, ejat,  hggdh, IdleOne, iulian, micahg,  Pendulum, PabloRubienes, freeflying, jared, s-fox, amachu, chilicuil, rickspencer3 and popey. Meeting time.
[12:10] <popey> !rmb
[12:10] <popey> \o/
[12:10] <Destine> ~
[12:13] <jared> #startmeeting 2200 UTC Ubuntu Membership Board
[12:13] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Nov 19 12:13:15 2014 UTC.  The chair is jared. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[12:13] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[12:13] <jared> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the 2200 UTC meeting for November 19, 2014.
[12:13] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[12:13] <amjjawad> Hi everyone :)
[12:13] <popey> It's rather bright outside for 22:00 UTC ☻
[12:13] <jared> The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[12:14] <amjjawad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad
[12:14] <jared> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers amounts to at least +1, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[12:14] <jared> #votesrequired 4
[12:14] <meetingology> votes now need 4 to be passed
[12:14] <jared> #voters Destine popey rickspencer3
[12:14] <meetingology> Current voters: Destine popey rickspencer3
[12:15] <jared> #topic amjjawad's application for membership
[12:15] <jared> amjjawad: please introduce yourself to the board and we'll review your wiki
[12:15] <popey> hi amjjawad
[12:15] <amjjawad> Hi everyone :)
[12:15] <amjjawad> amjjawad is my user name. My name is Ali
[12:16] <amjjawad> Glad to be here :)
[12:17] <popey> amjjawad: hiya, so there's a lot of stuff listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad
[12:18] <popey> amjjawad: What do you consider to be your primary focus?
[12:18] <amjjawad> popey, hello and yes indeed. That for 4 years :)
[12:18] <amjjawad> Ubuntu GNOME first, StartUbuntu second :) and Ubuntu Quality third
[12:19] <popey> You certainly have a lot of testimonials!
[12:19] <amjjawad> popey, I've been part of several project for 4 years
[12:19] <popey> What do you have planned for Ubuntu GNOME for the coming months?
[12:19] <amjjawad> Ubuntu Forums, Lubuntu, Ubuntu GNOME, Ubuntu Quality, etc
[12:20] <amjjawad> I am the community manager/leader so I focus on building a strong community while Tim (the head dev) focus on the technical side
[12:20] <amjjawad> Every cycle, I introduce new changes to the project
[12:20] <amjjawad> shall I share some?
[12:21] <amjjawad> Ubuntu GNOME has many good stuff that no other community has :)
[12:21] <amjjawad> I have started last cycle a new sub-team for Human Resources :)
[12:21] <amjjawad> some (just some) of what I have done recently: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GettingInvolved/Roles
[12:22] <amjjawad> and: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/CycleAssessment/UtopicUnicorn
[12:22] <popey> That's a lot of roles to fill!
[12:22] <amjjawad> By the way, it is me who created all this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/WikiMap
[12:22] <amjjawad> all these pages I mean
[12:22] <amjjawad> well, this is me :) my ambition has no limits :)
[12:23] <popey> Right, but finding people to contribute to all of that must be difficult?
[12:23] <amjjawad> I never give up. It is very hard indeed but I enjoy it a lot
[12:23] <amjjawad> I have recruited many people to Lubuntu for 2 years
[12:24] <amjjawad> I played a major part within Lubuntu in many areas
[12:24] <amjjawad> what I have achieved in Lubuntu in 2 years, I have done it with Ubuntu GNOME in 6 months
[12:24] <popey> What do you find most rewarding in Ubuntu?
[12:24] <amjjawad> with Lubuntu, things where there but I improved them
[12:24] <amjjawad> with Ubuntu GNOME, had to start from scratch
[12:25] <amjjawad> the sub-teams here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/SubTeams it is me who created that
[12:25] <amjjawad> it is the power of we
[12:25] <amjjawad> all of us are smarter than anyone of us
[12:25] <amjjawad> I do adore Ubuntu's Philosophy
[12:26] <amjjawad> This Philosophy will never fail :)
[12:26] <popey> Ok, I don't have any other questions. Anyone else?>
[12:27] <rickspencer3> I don't
[12:30] <jared> Just reading of a few links still, sorry, shouldn't be long
[12:30] <amjjawad> no worries, take your time :)
[12:31] <jared> amjjawad: okay it seems everyone is ready
[12:31] <jared> #vote amjjawad for Ubuntu Membership
[12:31] <meetingology> Please vote on: amjjawad for Ubuntu Membership
[12:31] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[12:31] <rickspencer3> +1
[12:31] <meetingology> +1 received from rickspencer3
[12:31] <popey> +1
[12:31] <meetingology> +1 received from popey
[12:31] <Destine> +1
[12:31] <meetingology> +1 received from Destine
[12:32] <jared> +1
[12:32] <jared> #voters Destine popey rickspencer3 jared
[12:32] <meetingology> Current voters: Destine jared popey rickspencer3
[12:32] <jared> +1
[12:32] <meetingology> +1 received from jared
[12:32] <popey> Congratulations amjjawad !
[12:32] <jared> #endvote
[12:32] <meetingology> Voting ended on: amjjawad for Ubuntu Membership
[12:32] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[12:32] <meetingology> Motion carried
[12:32] <Destine> amjjawad, congrats!
[12:32] <njalk_> Grats Ali =)
[12:32] <amjjawad> thank you so much, popey and everyone else :)
[12:32] <popey> :D
[12:32] <amjjawad> thanks a lot, Destine and njalk_ :D
[12:32] <eliasps> Congratulations amjjawad!
[12:32] <jared> Congratulations amjjawad, thank you for your efforts
[12:32] <amjjawad> many thanks eliasps :)
[12:33] <amjjawad> thank you for your time, jared and appreciate that :)
[12:33] <rafaellaguna_> congrats, bro!
[12:33] <amjjawad> rafaellaguna_, :D thank you :D
[12:34] <rafaellaguna_> welcome "aboard"
[12:34] <amjjawad> :D
[12:34] <joern_> congrats amjjawad!
[12:34] <amjjawad> it is great that someone who knows me for 4 years and worked with me is here rafaellaguna_ :D
[12:34] <amjjawad> thanks a lot, my good friend, joern_ :D
[12:35] <rafaellaguna_> oh but of course! anyway, I already knew what was going to happen ;)
[12:35] <amjjawad> rafaellaguna_, :D
[12:37] <rafaellaguna_> good! lunch time for celebrate. see you later, my friend
[12:38] <amjjawad> enjoy your meal, brother
[12:38] <amjjawad> it is bed time in my time zone :P
[12:38] <jared> Well as there are no more applicants I might close the meeting
[12:38] <jared> Happy for conversation to keep going afterwards I just want to close it officially for the logs
[12:38] <amjjawad> thank you everyone for your time
[12:38] <jared> #endmeeting
[12:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Nov 19 12:38:46 2014 UTC.
[12:38] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-11-19-12.13.moin.txt
[12:39] <amjjawad> Thanks again, everyone
[12:39] <amjjawad> can I leave now? it is 23:40 here
[12:39] <jared> amjjawad: any time you want :)
[12:39] <amjjawad> jared, thank you so much :)
[12:40] <amjjawad> must get ready .. have yet another long day tomorrow ... cya and thanks everyone and it is very great to be one of the Ubuntu members
[12:45] <eliasps> amjjawad you deserve it. Keep up the good work!
[12:45] <eliasps> See you and congratulations!
[12:45] <amjjawad> eliasps, thanks a million :) and will sure do ;)
[12:45] <amjjawad> Cya all
[18:00] <hggdh> OK. time for the IRC meeting
[18:01] <hggdh> #startmeeting IRC Team
[18:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Nov 19 18:01:52 2014 UTC.  The chair is hggdh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[18:01] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[18:02] <hggdh> we start with the usual
[18:02] <hggdh> #topic Review #ubuntu-ops-team
[18:02] <hggdh> anything noteworthy here?
[18:03]  * Pici waves
[18:03] <hggdh> Pici: hi, thank you
[18:03] <hggdh> at least there are two of us here at the meeting
[18:03] <Pici> huzzah
[18:04] <hggdh> OK. Nothing noteworthy. Moving on
[18:04] <Pici> Agreed
[18:05] <hggdh> #topic Review last meetings action items
[18:06] <hggdh> I do not remember any useful action items from last meeting.
[18:06] <hggdh> moving on
[18:06] <hggdh> #topic Open items in the IRCC tracker
[18:06] <Pici> I just noticed that the IRCC tracker seems to be down.
[18:06] <rww> o/
[18:07] <hggdh> nevertheless, we also have Lars
[18:07] <Pici> "Fatal Error: Contact system adminstrator."
[18:07] <hggdh> rww: go ahead
[18:07] <rww> was just saying hi :)
[18:07] <hggdh> heh
[18:07] <hggdh> Pici: who admins it?
[18:07] <rww> (missed the start of the meeting because IRL)
[18:07] <Pici> jussi did.
[18:08] <Pici> or tsimpson perhaps
[18:08]  * hggdh notes verbe's tense
[18:08] <hggdh> anyway, I think this is a good point to get a closure on Lars/SamwiseGamgee/finrod
[18:08] <Pici> I'll poke them on the status of it anyway.
[18:08] <rww> i think it's currently tsimpson. not 100% sure though
[18:10] <hggdh> So. The IRCC had agreed that this user should receive the last chance. We (specifically, *I*) started to work on it, but received a strong disagreement from the ops-at-large
[18:10] <Pici> strong is an understatement
[18:11] <hggdh> as such, the IRCC bows to the will of the people, and declares the issue closed. Lars/SamwiseGamgee/finrod will still be banned from some of the core #ubuntu channels.
[18:11] <hggdh> anyone wishes to comment further on this?
[18:12] <Pici> I've said it before, imo the job of the IRCC is to both represent the users and the operators.  We would be doing the latter a disservice by continuing to let a single user take advantage of us.
[18:12]  * hggdh assumes no one. Moving on
[18:12] <Pici> (was typing and thinking)
[18:14] <hggdh> I agree, and I never disagreed with it, or stated otherwise. I still had hope, nevertheless, that the ops-at-large disagreement would have been expressed with more civility.
[18:14] <hggdh> but this is not for here and now
[18:14] <Pici> indeed.
[18:14] <hggdh> moving on
[18:14] <hggdh> #topic Review Bugs related to the Ubuntu IRC Council
[18:15] <Pici> The only one there is the one regarding a floodbot rewrite.
[18:15] <Pici> I think it might be okay to close it... we have unopaste now, and drone is out there doing testing things.
[18:16] <Pici> thoughts?
[18:16] <hggdh> well.
[18:16] <hggdh> I would still keep the bug open, but updated with the fact that unopaste is in, and drone is being tried
[18:17] <Pici> Fair enough.  I'll take care of that.
[18:17] <hggdh> (we still do not have a real replacement for the flood bots
[18:17] <hggdh> moving on
[18:18] <hggdh> well, the factoid review, and the call for operators are from the old (last) meeting. I think we can bypass these two
[18:18] <hggdh> #topic Membership applications
[18:19] <hggdh> here we have phunyguy applying for Ubuntu membership
[18:19] <Pici> \o/
[18:19] <hggdh> wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phunyguy
[18:20] <hggdh> LP at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phunyguy
[18:20] <rww> (is IRCC quorum 2 or 3?)
[18:20] <phunyguy> o/
[18:20] <hggdh> that's a good question... I myself do not know the answer
[18:21] <cprofitt> how many people are on the ircc?
[18:21] <hggdh> and it seems there are only two of us here
[18:21] <elfy> hggdh: isn't IRCC only 2 people at present with resignations?
[18:21] <rww> cprofitt: 3 seats filled of 5
[18:21] <rww> so would be 2 if we count filled and 3 if we count how many there are supposed to be
[18:21] <cprofitt> with two seats empty I would think 2 of 3 is a qurom
[18:21] <rww> excellent
[18:21] <hggdh> On the other hand, we are, at the moment, totalling 3 council seats. So -- methinks -- 2 out of 3 is majority
[18:21] <cprofitt> its usually 2/3rds of the people
[18:22] <hggdh> so. Anyone wishes to drill phunyguy on his application for membership
[18:22] <rww> elfy: 3. Tm_T, hggdh, Pici
[18:22]  * phunyguy is away (not here)
[18:23] <phunyguy> :)
[18:23] <hggdh> (I personally have seen his work, and have no questions)
[18:23] <phunyguy> I will gladly answer any.
[18:23] <hggdh> #voters Pici hggdh Tm_T
[18:23] <meetingology> Current voters: Pici Tm_T hggdh
[18:23] <hggdh> #vote on Ubuntu membership for phunyguy
[18:23] <meetingology> Please vote on: on Ubuntu membership for phunyguy
[18:23] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[18:23] <hggdh> +1
[18:23] <meetingology> +1 received from hggdh
[18:24] <phunyguy> \o/
[18:24] <Pici> +1
[18:24] <meetingology> +1 received from Pici
[18:24] <phunyguy> \o/!
[18:24] <Pici> :)
[18:25] <hggdh> giving Tm_T a few seconds to vote...
[18:25] <hggdh> #endvote
[18:25] <meetingology> Voting ended on: on Ubuntu membership for phunyguy
[18:25] <meetingology> Votes for:2 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[18:25] <meetingology> Motion carried
[18:25] <hggdh> long enough
[18:25] <hggdh> phunyguy: welcome in :-)
[18:25] <phunyguy> thank you!
[18:25] <Pici> huzzah!
[18:25] <rww> erry's active, if you need a priest^Wstaffer
[18:25] <Pici> congrats phunyguy  :)
[18:25] <elfy> congrats phunyguy :)
[18:25] <rww> congrats :)
[18:26] <phunyguy> :)
[18:26] <hggdh> phunyguy: you will have to ask an IRCC member for your cloak, if you so desire. Of course, bear in mind we are hard to be found
[18:26] <cprofitt> congrats phunyguy
[18:26] <hggdh> so, moving on
[18:26] <hggdh> #topic Any Other Business
[18:26] <phunyguy> I assume that is in #freenode
[18:27] <rww> phunyguy: ask IRCC wherever, and they'll hunt down a staffer and get it sorted
[18:27] <hggdh> phunyguy: no, it is on #ubuntu-irc
[18:27] <phunyguy> oh whoops
[18:27] <teward> phunyguy: actually you ahve to find the IRCC members, either in #ubuntu-irc or wherever, they have to hunt down staff and make the cloak request - staff then might ask you to confirm you want the cloak offered, and then all is relatively golden.
[18:27] <cprofitt> hggdh: are there other topics or are you looking for some?
[18:27] <teward> (sorry for the comment)
[18:28] <rww> i have a couple of topics that I didn't agendize because I'm bad
[18:28] <hggdh> cprofitt: I am asking
[18:28] <elfy> hggdh: what's the movement on the nominations for new IRCC ?
[18:28] <hggdh> rww: please go ahead, this is the whole idea on ABO, cater for the procastinators
[18:29] <rww> first one was what elfy just asked
[18:29] <Pici> We've had one nomination.
[18:29] <hggdh> elfy: we received on single nomination. This is not eough to even begin the process.
[18:29] <hggdh> s/eough/enough/
[18:29] <elfy> hggdh: yea - sorry - cprofitt just let me know
[18:30] <rww> another call for nominations, I guess?
[18:30] <Pici> I suppose.
[18:30] <hggdh> rww: I personaly would go that way. But I wonder if there will be any difference
[18:31] <cprofitt> what is the potential pool for nominees?
[18:31] <elfy> hggdh: iirc Membership Board had some issues last time with nominations, though different issue
[18:31] <hggdh> it is clear, to me, that no current operator wants the hassle.
[18:31] <rww> cprofitt: Ubuntu Members with competence at IRC, basically
[18:32] <rww> hggdh: frankly I'd rather have the hassle than have an understaffed IRCC, much as it kills me to say this
[18:32]  * hggdh secretly rejoices
[18:32] <elfy> hggdh: I assume that IRCC needs to be IRC op
[18:32]  * Pici too
[18:32] <cprofitt> so they don't have to have been an IRC moderator in the past... just active on IRC and be an Ubuntu member?
[18:32] <rww> elfy: no
[18:32] <Pici> elfy: not a requirement
[18:32] <elfy> mmm
[18:33]  * cprofitt nods
[18:33] <elfy> perhaps if you DO call again make that more obvious - I assumed that to be the case
[18:33] <rww> Personally I prefer a good balance of current ops and non-op interested people. The latter have a good point of view that's an asset.
[18:33] <hggdh> elfy: no. Anyone, as long as (1) is an Ubuntu member; (2) has working knowledge of IRC
[18:33] <hggdh> rww: +1
[18:33] <cprofitt> I can understand it not having to have been an op -- no need to know who to moderate, but at least a person who holds the communities values and is familiar with irc
[18:33] <rww> cprofitt: exactly
[18:34] <elfy> ok - clear to me now - thanks :)
[18:34] <hggdh> so, I guess, the consensus is to send out a new RPN?
[18:34] <hggdh> RFN even
[18:34] <cprofitt> hggdh: if we do another call please let me and Elfy know and the CC can help push some notification out to the community. I wonder if people thought they had to be an irc-op to qualify
[18:34] <hggdh> ack, will do
[18:35] <cprofitt> we can make a concerted effort to get that message out
[18:35] <hggdh> #action send out new request for nominations for the IRCC; copy CC on that (and -news)
[18:35] <meetingology> ACTION: send out new request for nominations for the IRCC; copy CC on that (and -news)
[18:35] <cprofitt> with the recent discussion on reinvigorating the community this would be a good opportunity to make sure we are clear when looking for people to contribute in non-technial community areas
[18:35] <elfy> +1
[18:35] <hggdh> cprofitt: indeed
[18:36] <hggdh> rww: so, you said you had a couple of items
[18:37] <rww> Other one: what's the current status of call for ops? We have a bunch of pending folks on the LP groups
[18:37] <hggdh> oh
[18:37] <rww> I forget if we accepted any new ops or not recently
[18:37] <hggdh> missed that
[18:38] <Pici> I apologize, work is asking for something that I need to attend to here.
[18:38] <hggdh> do we need more ops? If so, then we can consider the call of ops season open
[18:38] <Pici> so I'm going to be less vocal than I have been.
[18:38] <rww> hggdh: I'm not sure. Might be something to ponder on -ops team
[18:38] <hggdh> and we can review the current pending requests
[18:38] <rww> -ops-team **
[18:39] <hggdh> rww: yes, I agree. Here's what I propose: send out an email to -irc requesting feedback on additional ops on the core channels
[18:39] <hggdh> any comments on this action?
[18:39] <rww> wfm
[18:40] <phunyguy> ^
[18:40] <hggdh> #action send out an email to -irc requesting feedback on additional ops on the core channels
[18:40] <meetingology> ACTION: send out an email to -irc requesting feedback on additional ops on the core channels
[18:41] <hggdh> done (I mean, the *action* request is done)
[18:41] <hggdh> more AOBs, any?
[18:41] <hggdh> 5
[18:41] <hggdh> 4
[18:41] <hggdh> 3
[18:41] <hggdh> 2
[18:41] <hggdh> 1
[18:42] <hggdh> OK
[18:42] <hggdh> #endmeeting
[18:42] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Nov 19 18:42:13 2014 UTC.
[18:42] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-11-19-18.01.moin.txt
[18:42] <hggdh> thank you
[18:43] <rww> Next meeting is December 17th.
[18:43] <rww> (for anyone else who was about to check their calendar)
[18:46] <cprofitt> thanks IRCC appreciate the work you guys are doing
[18:47] <cprofitt> hggdh rww Pici I appreciate all the work and time you put in to help make our community on IRC freindly and inviting.
[18:48] <hggdh> rww: I can take the hint... I will update the page now
[18:48] <rww> :P
[18:49] <elfy> belated thanks from me too IRCC :)
[18:49] <hggdh> rww: done, thank you for the poke