| bduk | Goodmorning everyone | 05:21 |
|---|---|---|
| inetpro | hi bduk | 05:59 |
| inetpro | and good morning everyone else | 05:59 |
| Kilos | hi inetpro ThatGraemeGuy bushtech and others | 06:11 |
| Kilos | Maaz, cremora | 06:12 |
| Maaz | It's not inside Twit. It's on TOP | 06:12 |
| Kilos | lemme go to kde where im more at home | 06:15 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | morning peeps | 06:27 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3920821712 that's a bit more like it | 07:05 |
| Kilos | holy moly ThatGraemeGuy that is fast | 07:23 |
| Kilos | now get that to your home and you are smiling | 07:24 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | if only | 07:25 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | i'll probably go with 2M at home | 07:25 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | my adsl is 2M I'm happy with that | 07:25 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | R499/month | 07:25 |
| Kilos | you got adsl at home again? | 07:27 |
| Kilos | and is 2M 2 mb/s | 07:27 |
| Kilos | http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3920857316 | 07:31 |
| Kilos | no comparison | 07:31 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | no adsl, telkom don't care about their customers | 07:33 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | getting wireless install from amobia, 2M up/down | 07:33 |
| Kilos | oh are they gonna do it | 07:34 |
| Kilos | let me know what they install by you | 07:35 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | I asked the guy, its a grid, probably around 27dBi I suppose and a Mikrotik Groove | 07:35 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | and a router | 07:36 |
| Kilos | aha | 07:36 |
| Kilos | the grib is the antenna | 07:37 |
| Kilos | grid | 07:37 |
| Kilos | right? | 07:37 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | the nice thing is that if I decide not to carry on with them for some reason, that kit will work on CTWUG, I asked them | 07:37 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | correct | 07:37 |
| Kilos | ok now i understand what they do | 07:38 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | http://www.miro.co.za/catalogue/5ghz-grid-antenna-27-dbi-wideband-5150-5850-beamwidth-6h-9v/#sthash.HkLkOBM8.dpbs <--something like that | 07:38 |
| Kilos | yeah | 07:38 |
| Kilos | then they must have a tranceiver withing line of site somewhere | 07:39 |
| Kilos | transceiver | 07:39 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | yes I have perfect line of sight to the 2 towers closest to me | 07:40 |
| Kilos | or a wireless tower | 07:40 |
| Kilos | cool | 07:40 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sector_antenna <-- something like that I imagine | 07:40 |
| Kilos | whew things have got involved since i played with radio | 07:41 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | those aren't really new, but you wouldn't be aware of them as an end-user typically | 07:43 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | unless you were on a WUG and also re-broadcasting, then you'd have a sector | 07:44 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | a small one though | 07:44 |
| charl | good morning | 09:30 |
| charl | Maaz: coffee on | 09:30 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 09:30 | |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charl! | 09:34 |
| charl | Maaz: danke | 09:42 |
| Maaz | Bitteschön | 09:42 |
| Kilos | hi charl | 10:03 |
| inetpro | off topic question: What would you do, would you fix a 4 year old Brushcutter (Weed Eater) for R650 or would you rather buy a new one again priced at R1299 (exact same model)? | 10:19 |
| inetpro | Kilos: ^^ | 10:19 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | How long did it take from new to being in a state where it needs a R650 repair? | 10:20 |
| inetpro | Baught this thing on 5/9/2010 for R799 - RYOBI 30cc Petrol Trimmer Product ID: 108012EA | 10:21 |
| bushtech | is the rest of the brushcutter still in good nick? | 10:21 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | yeah i'd repair it | 10:22 |
| inetpro | completely stuck at the moment as if seized, can't pull the string to start at all | 10:22 |
| inetpro | I'd say it was good value for money until now, but tough decision to repair or to replace | 10:23 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | well if you buy a new one, assume it would take roughly the same time to reach that same state | 10:24 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | and if you repair it, is there much else that could go wrong with it that would be as expensive to repair? | 10:25 |
| inetpro | not much else that can really break | 10:25 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | i'd repair it | 10:25 |
| inetpro | just not sure whether it will last another 4 years, but maybe two | 10:26 |
| inetpro | guess timing is a bit bad for replacing now, do the specials of these items normally run during this time of the year? | 10:29 |
| inetpro | baught it when it was on special | 10:29 |
| charl | hi Kilos, inetpro, ThatGraemeGuy | 10:31 |
| Kilos | sjoe inetpro skuus man | 10:32 |
| Kilos | was buite met pc vir sis om m/b te kan sien | 10:32 |
| inetpro | no stress, don't need immediate answers | 10:33 |
| Kilos | did it last 4 years | 10:33 |
| inetpro | yep | 10:33 |
| Kilos | who does the repairs? | 10:34 |
| Kilos | and is there a few months gaurantee with the repair | 10:34 |
| Kilos | no specials are in winter for tools that work in summer | 10:35 |
| inetpro | exactly | 10:35 |
| Kilos | who does the repairs | 10:36 |
| Kilos | if they not fly by nights id go for repair | 10:36 |
| inetpro | will get those details | 10:36 |
| Kilos | new is double the repair price | 10:37 |
| Kilos | checkout boerbok prices, they keep everything short if you have enough of them | 10:39 |
| Kilos | hehe | 10:39 |
| Kilos | i think they will also be kinda outa reach at todays meat prices | 10:40 |
| Kilos | good armature winding companies sometimes rebuild an electric motor that lasts better thasn the original | 10:41 |
| bushtech | think this ia a petrol jobbie | 10:42 |
| bushtech | yeah, couple of goats and you can sell the brushcutter | 10:42 |
| Kilos | seized petrol motor | 10:43 |
| Kilos | who forgot the 2 stroke oil | 10:43 |
| bushtech | was wondering too | 10:44 |
| Kilos | with a petrol motor id go for repair | 10:44 |
| Kilos | oh ya he said you pull the rope | 10:44 |
| Kilos | sorry man | 10:44 |
| Kilos | repair inetpro | 10:45 |
| Kilos | but not by van der merwes backyard services | 10:45 |
| inetpro | Kilos: North Lawn Mowers, don't know about guarantees though | 10:50 |
| Kilos | worth asking but if its seized theyll need to bore it or put new sleave and piston anyway | 10:51 |
| Kilos | so i would let them repair just push for some gaurantee | 10:51 |
| Kilos | and if they do a good job it means valve krind too so thing should be like new | 10:52 |
| Kilos | grind | 10:52 |
| inetpro | heh, we found the same model on special at builders express for R998 | 10:52 |
| Kilos | lol | 10:53 |
| Kilos | i go eat | 10:54 |
| Kilos | hehe just check how many cases North Lawn Mowers have had against them | 11:02 |
| inetpro | Kilos: where do I check that? | 11:09 |
| inetpro | anyway for R350 more I might as well just replace with a new one | 11:12 |
| Kilos | lol in law stuff | 11:18 |
| Kilos | a properly rebuilt petrol engines is as good as new | 11:19 |
| Kilos | get a new one then but repair old one when possible and keep for spare. when you have a replacement tool the other one lasts forever | 11:22 |
| inetpro | good idea | 11:32 |
| Kilos | haha it seems to be a murphy deterent | 11:33 |
| Kilos | oh bushtech im sure the pc is a hp pc | 11:38 |
| Kilos | this m/b http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/msi/865GM2-LS.htm | 11:40 |
| Kilos | and the drives are held with screws to the bracket, they felt like rivets as well but they are just different shaped screw heads to what i know | 11:42 |
| bushtech | Kilos, specs rather low but it should work ok | 12:33 |
| Kilos | ya for windows xp it was good with 128mB ram nor 356 | 12:34 |
| Kilos | no 128 +256 | 12:34 |
| Kilos | Maaz: 128*256 | 12:35 |
| Maaz | Kilos: 32768 | 12:35 |
| Kilos | 327 | 12:35 |
| Kilos | much faster than her p3 with xp anyway | 12:35 |
| Kilos | also i think the cpu was upgraded from single to dual core | 12:37 |
| gremble | The CPU was upgraded? | 13:19 |
| Kilos | yip i think when i started it it was quick and i looked somewhere and its either core 2 duo or dual core. and i thought it should be faster than my dual core but isnt then i checked rans and it had 128m only and mine has 2g | 14:23 |
| Kilos | anyway ince going again ill look deeper | 14:23 |
| Kilos | but its still heaps faster than a p3, can write dvds too | 14:23 |
| Kilos | so cant be too bad | 14:24 |
| Kilos | hi not_found | 16:34 |
| Kilos | hows things there | 16:34 |
| not_found | alo uncle Kilos :) all well and with you? | 16:34 |
| Kilos | good ty. you and monkey must make plans with the re evalution thing hey | 16:35 |
| Kilos | 1 week to next meet | 16:35 |
| Kilos | hi Joe_knock | 16:36 |
| Kilos | not_found: is it ready in your opinion or must more be done? | 16:38 |
| Kilos | monkey seems very preocupied | 16:39 |
| not_found | I will check tomorrow and day after etc... again off for a few days | 16:39 |
| Kilos | cool ty | 16:39 |
| not_found | no prob, was the plan in any way :) | 16:41 |
| Kilos | hehe i worry you young ones with lives forget worse than me | 16:44 |
| Kilos | 16:48 | |
| Kilos | hi magespawn | 17:45 |
| magespawn | hi Kilos | 17:45 |
| Kilos | im sukkeling | 17:45 |
| Kilos | hi TinuvaMac | 17:45 |
| TinuvaMac | yo | 17:45 |
| TinuvaMac | whats up | 17:45 |
| Kilos | stupid pc im building for sis cant see sata dvd | 17:46 |
| Kilos | bios sees it | 17:46 |
| Kilos | xp dont | 17:46 |
| Kilos | cant boot from it either so maybe something in bios dom | 17:46 |
| magespawn | get the sata drives for that motherboard | 17:46 |
| Kilos | grrr | 17:46 |
| Kilos | oh ya | 17:46 |
| magespawn | drivers | 17:47 |
| Kilos | ty for that | 17:47 |
| magespawn | xp might not have them if it is a new drive | 17:47 |
| Kilos | didnt even think of that | 17:47 |
| Kilos | its an old working xp | 17:47 |
| TinuvaMac | xp aint really supported anymore nowadays | 17:47 |
| TinuvaMac | why you even trying to get it to work? | 17:47 |
| Kilos | because thats what my sister uses to play age of empires 2 | 17:48 |
| Kilos | its all she wants, no energy to lr=earn win7 | 17:48 |
| Kilos | learn | 17:48 |
| magespawn | does that pc ever go online Kilos? | 17:49 |
| Kilos | never | 17:49 |
| TinuvaMac | speaking of, i havent tried OpenAge on nix yet | 17:50 |
| Kilos | its just to store photos and games and play to forget the days stress | 17:50 |
| magespawn | then there is relatively low risk | 17:50 |
| magespawn | TinuvaMac, OpenAge? | 17:50 |
| TinuvaMac | https://github.com/SFTtech/openage | 17:51 |
| TinuvaMac | opensource clone of AOE2 engine | 17:51 |
| magespawn | cool beans | 17:51 |
| Kilos | TinuvaMac: size? | 17:52 |
| TinuvaMac | small, but i think you need original AOE2 for the data files | 17:52 |
| Kilos | ah we have that | 17:53 |
| Kilos | so whats the clone for then if you have aoe cds? | 17:53 |
| magespawn | Maybe he got a bit tired of that conversation | 18:10 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:10 |
| Kilos | magespawn: if i cant get it to boot from the sata dvd surely the prob is somewhere in bios | 18:11 |
| Kilos | i just pulled battery and power | 18:11 |
| Kilos | maybe a bios upgrade would sort it but im not going online with unprotected xp | 18:12 |
| Kilos | hi somaunn | 18:14 |
| somaunn | hi Kilos | 18:14 |
| somaunn | how are things here | 18:14 |
| somaunn | §??? | 18:14 |
| Kilos | good ty and by you? | 18:15 |
| charl | good evening | 18:15 |
| somaunn | like a fish in a water bro | 18:15 |
| somaunn | ty | 18:15 |
| somaunn | wish i could get help from here | 18:15 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:16 |
| Kilos | what you need | 18:16 |
| somaunn | I've copied files on my Fed21 Music folder but can't delete them | 18:17 |
| Kilos | just state what you want to do and if someone can help they will | 18:17 |
| Kilos | well | 18:17 |
| magespawn | Kilos the bios boot order may not be set correct for the dvd. you said the bios does see it? | 18:18 |
| Kilos | if you boot from ubuntu live dvd or stick you can delete everything | 18:18 |
| Kilos | hehe' | 18:18 |
| magespawn | somaunn, what os are you running? | 18:18 |
| somaunn | message: the trash has reached its maximum size! Cleanup the trash manually. | 18:18 |
| magespawn | hi charl | 18:18 |
| Kilos | ya magespawn it does and i set it to boot from cd but it hangs there a while then goes into xp | 18:19 |
| Kilos | grrr | 18:19 |
| Kilos | hi charl | 18:19 |
| somaunn | magespawn: using Fedora 21 alpha | 18:19 |
| magespawn | maybe the disk is faulty | 18:19 |
| magespawn | somaunn, which user owns the files? | 18:19 |
| Kilos | no man it was working in xubuntu this morning | 18:19 |
| somaunn | magespawn: my user account bro | 18:20 |
| magespawn | Kilos, ti doe start to sound like it is the drive then | 18:20 |
| magespawn | it does | 18:20 |
| Kilos | the dvd? | 18:20 |
| magespawn | somaunn, then you should be able to delete them | 18:20 |
| Kilos | i will try the one from here | 18:20 |
| magespawn | does Fedora require su to delete files? | 18:21 |
| somaunn | not by default | 18:21 |
| magespawn | somaunn, how did you copy them? maybe check the ownership | 18:21 |
| somaunn | how can i delete forlder in batch from cli ? | 18:21 |
| Kilos | delete the whole folder | 18:22 |
| somaunn | Kilos: can't, i want to delete specific folders only | 18:22 |
| Kilos | can you copy the stuff you want to somewhere else? | 18:23 |
| somaunn | magespawn: i'm the owner as you can see hee drwxrwxr-x. 4 arnaud arnaud 4096 Nov 18 20:50 Women of faith | 18:23 |
| Kilos | or wont it allow that either | 18:23 |
| magespawn | rm i think is the command | 18:24 |
| somaunn_ | Kilos: don't have ext hdd with me now | 18:26 |
| Kilos | yes but will it aloow you to copy them | 18:27 |
| Kilos | allow | 18:27 |
| Kilos | or is that also blocked | 18:27 |
| magespawn | somaunn_, maybe you own the files but not the folder they are in or the drive | 18:41 |
| somaunn_ | magespawn: have found a way to delete it using the root account | 18:42 |
| Kilos | then you dont have permissions in that folder | 18:43 |
| Kilos | you could chown it | 18:43 |
| Kilos | with caution | 18:44 |
| magespawn | coll beans somaunn_ | 18:45 |
| magespawn | cool too | 18:46 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:47 |
| somaunn_ | Kilos: magespawn succeed | 18:55 |
| somaunn_ | yet it's tool me time but succeed | 18:55 |
| somaunn_ | coming back in one hour ! | 18:55 |
| Kilos | ok | 18:55 |
| Kilos | well done | 18:56 |
| Kilos | ai!\ | 18:56 |
| Kilos | hey magespawn swap dvd and it works | 18:57 |
| Kilos | its not a year old yet | 18:57 |
| Kilos | and worked this morning | 18:57 |
| Kilos | good call my man | 18:57 |
| magespawn | process of elimination, might be a problem between that drive and the board | 18:58 |
| Kilos | also i chose legacy mode in bios which i didnt try before | 18:59 |
| Kilos | will test the dvd here when i switch off | 18:59 |
| Kilos | i dunno can one hot plug sata things | 19:00 |
| Kilos | glad its working though, would have battled to sleep otherwise | 19:02 |
| magespawn | i think e- sata you can, but sata i think it would be wise to turn the machine off | 19:03 |
| Kilos | ty ill try the dvd here in the morning | 19:03 |
| Kilos | nice to have you around my magespawn | 19:03 |
| Kilos | ohi superfly | 19:04 |
| Kilos | naand inetpro ook | 19:04 |
| superfly | hi Kilos | 19:04 |
| magespawn | hi superfly | 19:06 |
| superfly | hi magespawn | 19:06 |
| magespawn | glade i could help Kilos | 19:06 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 19:16 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 19:32 |
| magespawn | back again Kilos ? | 19:32 |
| Kilos | had to come tell you magespawn , must have been the legacy settings | 19:33 |
| Kilos | it works here | 19:33 |
| Kilos | yay no claiming needed | 19:33 |
| Kilos | lol sleep tight | 19:33 |
| Kilos | legacy works native and the other setting dont | 19:34 |
| somaunn | Hello Guys | 20:07 |
| somaunn | I'm back | 20:07 |
| somaunn | finally my trash is still full and the system is asking me to delete everthing manually | 20:07 |
| magespawn | somaunn, can you open the trash and delete from there? | 20:24 |
| somaunn | openned > checked from GUi but the trash is empty | 20:26 |
| somaunn | checked hidden files to if something is there but nothing | 20:27 |
| somaunn | look very strange | 20:27 |
| magespawn | maybe this can help http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/how-to-open-the-trash-folder-and-empty-the-trash-in-command-line-664836/ | 20:28 |
| magespawn | any way, i have to go to bed, chat later all | 20:28 |
| EvilDMP | Hello South African Ubuntu users - I am hoping to find someone who can lead an Ubuntu install party at http://python-namibia.org | 22:17 |
| EvilDMP | If you have any suggestions, I'd be very grateful for them | 22:17 |
| Joe_knock | EvilDMP: You're not really evil right? | 22:29 |
| EvilDMP | Joe_knock: I do my best | 22:34 |
| Joe_knock | So you want an ubuntu install party to take place? Would you like to be the lead on it? We can have the disks shipped to you. | 22:37 |
| Joe_knock | @EvilDMP | 22:38 |
| Joe_knock | EvilDMP: ^^ | 22:38 |
| EvilDMP | Joe_knock: I'm organising the whole conference and will be running around madly for four days - I'm hoping to find someone in Namibia or perhaps ZA who's willing to travel to attend, and is more of an expert than I am | 22:38 |
| EvilDMP | Joe_knock: there'll be 40 UNAM students there of the 80 attendees; most of the students apparently are soldiering on with aged Windows laptops | 22:39 |
| EvilDMP | and that's not going to be ideal for doing Python workshops etc | 22:39 |
| gremble | Those poor bastards | 22:39 |
| gremble | I would totally do it if I had any way of getting there haha | 22:40 |
| EvilDMP | A friend who works for Canonical had been planning to come to do that and another session, but work calls him to ZA just in the wrong week | 22:40 |
| Joe_knock | Hopefully we can find an ubuntu user in Namibia, but for anyone else, they're probably going to need a sponsorship to travel. | 22:40 |
| EvilDMP | Joe_knock: I've written to Canonical about sponsorship (no reply yet) | 22:41 |
| Joe_knock | EvilDMP: If you can get about 5 students onto the mailing list or here, we can help them install ubuntu remotely and they must then pass that knowledge on to the others. | 22:41 |
| EvilDMP | Joe_knock: they seem to strongly prefer sponsorship requests from witin Ubuntu/Canonical | 22:42 |
| EvilDMP | Joe_knock: I don't know any of the students yet! | 22:42 |
| Joe_knock | I don't mind coming to Namibia for a few days, but it will be a wasted expense if we can help them remotely. | 22:42 |
| EvilDMP | Joe_knock: the aim of the conference is to help bootstrap the open source community there | 22:42 |
| Joe_knock | Are you arranging PyCon Namibia? | 22:43 |
| EvilDMP | Joe_knock: actually, one of the most valuable aspects of the conference is to get people to meet face-to-face and form connections | 22:43 |
| EvilDMP | Joe_knock: I'm organising this event, but we're not calling it a PyCon - it wouldn't be appropriate for me as an outsider to organise someone else's PyCon - this is a more modest event | 22:44 |
| EvilDMP | the idea is that the following year the community that has formed will be able to host its own PyCon | 22:44 |
| EvilDMP | (and invite us to it) | 22:44 |
| gremble | Who are you representing then? | 22:45 |
| Joe_knock | The name isn't such a big thing EvilDMP . Calling it PyCon will help people understand what this event is about | 22:45 |
| EvilDMP | I've been working on a project to help establish PyCons in Africa for a long time, and my ex-colleagues at Cardiff are involved in a major project with UNAM - so we decided to make this part of that | 22:46 |
| EvilDMP | sorry, at Cardiff University | 22:46 |
| EvilDMP | gremble: I'm not representing anyone | 22:46 |
| gremble | You answered my question anyway :P | 22:46 |
| EvilDMP | gremble: I organised http://djangoweekend.org, helped organise http://2014.djangocon.eu, and will be organising (well, the chair of the committee anyway) DjangoCon Europe 2015 here in Cardiff | 22:47 |
| Joe_knock | EvilDMP: What I can also do is put you in touch with a colleague of mine. He normally organizes the PyCon in SA. | 22:49 |
| EvilDMP | Joe_knock: Simon? | 22:49 |
| EvilDMP | by the way for the general African PyCons project, #pycon-in-africa | 22:50 |
| Joe_knock | Yeah, Simon from CT. | 22:51 |
| EvilDMP | Joe_knock: we're already in touch, I'm hoping he'll be there | 22:51 |
| EvilDMP | and plenty of other folks from SA too | 22:51 |
| EvilDMP | I have been bothering South African companies about sponsorship, naturally | 22:52 |
| Joe_knock | If Simon is coming, perhaps he can do the Ubuntu party as well. Have you asked him? | 22:53 |
| EvilDMP | I shall | 22:53 |
| EvilDMP | And in the meantime, if anyone here would like to spend a few days in Windhoek doing Python - it would be fantastic to have you there | 22:54 |
| EvilDMP | thanks for your help and suggestions | 22:54 |
| Joe_knock | Nice to see a new city, but getting to Namibia is a nightmare :P | 22:57 |
| EvilDMP | Joe_knock: I think Simon was talking about driving | 22:58 |
| Joe_knock | Let me check the distance to get there :P | 22:59 |
| EvilDMP | it's about 1600km! my idea of a long drive is 2 hours | 23:00 |
| gremble | That would be quite the drive | 23:00 |
| Joe_knock | sheeeettt. it's roughly 1400KM | 23:01 |
| Joe_knock | 17 hour drive :O | 23:01 |
| EvilDMP | Joe_knock: are you in Cape Town? | 23:02 |
| Joe_knock | Nope, I think Cape Town is even further away | 23:02 |
| Joe_knock | and it's worse for Simon cause he'll have to drive through the Kalahari | 23:03 |
| Joe_knock | in summer | 23:03 |
| EvilDMP | I'd assume that anyone would fly anyway | 23:04 |
| EvilDMP | you'd have to really like driving, otherwise... | 23:04 |
| Joe_knock | EvilDMP: Driving used to be part of the journey in SA. A sort of "cultural" thing | 23:05 |
| EvilDMP | right, it's bedtime for me, thanks again! | 23:12 |
| Joe_knock | Take care EvilDMP | 23:14 |
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