[05:21] <bduk> Goodmorning everyone
[05:59] <inetpro> hi bduk
[05:59] <inetpro> and good morning everyone else
[06:11] <Kilos> hi inetpro ThatGraemeGuy bushtech and others
[06:12] <Kilos> Maaz, cremora
[06:12] <Maaz> It's not inside Twit. It's on TOP
[06:15] <Kilos> lemme go to kde where im more at home
[06:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3920821712 that's a bit more like it
[07:23] <Kilos> holy moly ThatGraemeGuy that is fast
[07:24] <Kilos> now get that to your home and you are smiling
[07:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> if only
[07:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'll probably go with 2M at home
[07:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> my adsl is 2M I'm happy with that
[07:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> R499/month
[07:27] <Kilos> you got adsl at home again?
[07:27] <Kilos> and is 2M 2 mb/s
[07:31] <Kilos> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3920857316
[07:31] <Kilos> no comparison
[07:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> no adsl, telkom don't care about their customers
[07:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> getting wireless install from amobia, 2M up/down
[07:34] <Kilos> oh are they gonna do it
[07:35] <Kilos> let me know what they install by you
[07:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> I asked the guy, its a grid, probably around 27dBi I suppose and a Mikrotik Groove
[07:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> and a router
[07:36] <Kilos> aha
[07:37] <Kilos> the grib is the antenna
[07:37] <Kilos> grid
[07:37] <Kilos> right?
[07:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> the nice thing is that if I decide not to carry on with them for some reason, that kit will work on CTWUG, I asked them
[07:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> correct
[07:38] <Kilos> ok now i understand what they do
[07:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.miro.co.za/catalogue/5ghz-grid-antenna-27-dbi-wideband-5150-5850-beamwidth-6h-9v/#sthash.HkLkOBM8.dpbs <--something like that
[07:38] <Kilos> yeah
[07:39] <Kilos> then they must have a tranceiver withing line of site somewhere
[07:39] <Kilos> transceiver
[07:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes I have perfect line of sight to the 2 towers closest to me
[07:40] <Kilos> or a wireless tower
[07:40] <Kilos> cool
[07:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sector_antenna <-- something like that I imagine
[07:41] <Kilos> whew things have got involved since i played with radio
[07:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> those aren't really new, but you wouldn't be aware of them as an end-user typically
[07:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> unless you were on a WUG and also re-broadcasting, then you'd have a sector
[07:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> a small one though
[09:30] <charl> good morning
[09:30] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[09:30]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[09:34] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[09:42] <charl> Maaz: danke
[09:42] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[10:03] <Kilos> hi charl 
[10:19] <inetpro> off topic question: What would you do, would you fix a 4 year old Brushcutter (Weed Eater) for R650 or would you rather buy a new one again priced at R1299 (exact same model)?
[10:19] <inetpro> Kilos: ^^
[10:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> How long did it take from new to being in a state where it needs a R650 repair?
[10:21] <inetpro> Baught this thing on 5/9/2010 for R799 - RYOBI 30cc Petrol Trimmer Product ID: 108012EA
[10:21] <bushtech> is the rest of the brushcutter still in good nick?
[10:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah i'd repair it
[10:22] <inetpro> completely stuck at the moment as if seized, can't pull the string to start at all
[10:23] <inetpro> I'd say it was good value for money until now, but tough decision to repair or to replace
[10:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> well if you buy a new one, assume it would take roughly the same time to reach that same state
[10:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> and if you repair it, is there much else that could go wrong with it that would be as expensive to repair?
[10:25] <inetpro> not much else that can really break
[10:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'd repair it
[10:26] <inetpro> just not sure whether it will last another 4 years, but maybe two
[10:29] <inetpro> guess timing is a bit bad for replacing now, do the specials of these items normally run during this time of the year?
[10:29] <inetpro> baught it when it was on special
[10:31] <charl> hi Kilos, inetpro, ThatGraemeGuy 
[10:32] <Kilos> sjoe inetpro skuus man
[10:32] <Kilos> was buite met pc vir sis om m/b te kan sien
[10:33] <inetpro> no stress, don't need immediate answers
[10:33] <Kilos> did it last 4 years
[10:33] <inetpro> yep
[10:34] <Kilos> who does the repairs?
[10:34] <Kilos> and is there a few months gaurantee with the repair
[10:35] <Kilos> no specials are in winter for tools that work in summer
[10:35] <inetpro> exactly
[10:36] <Kilos> who does the repairs
[10:36] <Kilos> if they not fly by nights id go for repair
[10:36] <inetpro> will get those details 
[10:37] <Kilos> new is double the repair price
[10:39] <Kilos> checkout boerbok prices, they keep everything short if you have enough of them
[10:39] <Kilos> hehe
[10:40] <Kilos> i think they will also be kinda outa reach at todays meat prices
[10:41] <Kilos> good armature winding companies sometimes rebuild an electric  motor that lasts better thasn the original
[10:42] <bushtech> think this ia a petrol jobbie
[10:42] <bushtech> yeah, couple of goats and you can sell the brushcutter
[10:43] <Kilos> seized petrol motor
[10:43] <Kilos> who forgot the 2 stroke oil
[10:44] <bushtech> was wondering too
[10:44] <Kilos> with a petrol motor id go for repair
[10:44] <Kilos> oh ya he said you pull the rope
[10:44] <Kilos> sorry man
[10:45] <Kilos> repair inetpro 
[10:45] <Kilos> but not by van der merwes backyard services
[10:50] <inetpro> Kilos: North Lawn Mowers, don't know about guarantees though
[10:51] <Kilos> worth asking but if its seized theyll need to bore it or put new sleave and piston anyway
[10:51] <Kilos> so  i would let them repair just push for some gaurantee
[10:52] <Kilos> and if they do a good job it means valve krind too so thing should be like new
[10:52] <Kilos> grind
[10:52] <inetpro> heh, we found the same model on special at builders express for R998
[10:53] <Kilos> lol
[10:54] <Kilos> i go eat
[11:02] <Kilos> hehe just check how many cases North Lawn Mowers have had against them
[11:09] <inetpro> Kilos: where do I check that?
[11:12] <inetpro> anyway for R350 more I might as well just replace with a new one
[11:18] <Kilos> lol in law stuff
[11:19] <Kilos> a properly rebuilt petrol engines is as good as new
[11:22] <Kilos> get a new one then but repair old one when possible and keep for spare. when you have a replacement tool the other one lasts forever
[11:32] <inetpro> good idea
[11:33] <Kilos> haha it seems to be a murphy deterent
[11:38] <Kilos> oh bushtech im sure the pc is a hp pc
[11:40] <Kilos> this m/b http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/msi/865GM2-LS.htm
[11:42] <Kilos> and the drives are held with screws to the bracket, they felt like rivets as well but they are just different shaped screw heads to what i know
[12:33] <bushtech> Kilos, specs rather low but it should work ok
[12:34] <Kilos> ya for windows xp it was good with 128mB ram nor 356
[12:34] <Kilos> no 128 +256
[12:35] <Kilos> Maaz: 128*256
[12:35] <Maaz> Kilos: 32768
[12:35] <Kilos> 327
[12:35] <Kilos> much faster than her p3 with xp anyway
[12:37] <Kilos> also i think the cpu was upgraded from single to dual core
[13:19] <gremble> The CPU was upgraded?
[14:23] <Kilos> yip i think when i started it it was quick and i looked somewhere and its either core 2 duo or dual core. and i thought it should be faster than my dual core but isnt then i checked rans and it had 128m only and mine has 2g
[14:23] <Kilos> anyway ince going again ill look deeper
[14:23] <Kilos> but its still heaps faster than a p3, can write dvds too 
[14:24] <Kilos> so cant be too bad
[16:34] <Kilos> hi not_found 
[16:34] <Kilos> hows things there
[16:34] <not_found> alo uncle Kilos :) all well and with you?
[16:35] <Kilos> good ty. you and monkey must make plans with the re evalution thing hey
[16:35] <Kilos> 1 week to next meet
[16:36] <Kilos> hi Joe_knock 
[16:38] <Kilos> not_found: is it ready in your opinion or must more be done?
[16:39] <Kilos> monkey seems very preocupied
[16:39] <not_found> I will check tomorrow and day after etc... again off for a few days
[16:39] <Kilos> cool ty
[16:41] <not_found> no prob, was the plan in any way :)
[16:44] <Kilos> hehe i worry you young ones with lives forget worse than me
[16:48] <Kilos>  
[17:45] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[17:45] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[17:45] <Kilos> im sukkeling
[17:45] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac 
[17:45] <TinuvaMac> yo
[17:45] <TinuvaMac> whats up
[17:46] <Kilos> stupid pc im building for sis cant see sata dvd
[17:46] <Kilos> bios sees it
[17:46] <Kilos> xp dont
[17:46] <Kilos> cant boot from it either so maybe something in bios dom
[17:46] <magespawn> get the sata drives for that motherboard
[17:46] <Kilos> grrr
[17:46] <Kilos> oh ya
[17:47] <magespawn> drivers
[17:47] <Kilos> ty for that
[17:47] <magespawn> xp might not have them if it is a new drive
[17:47] <Kilos> didnt even think of that
[17:47] <Kilos> its an old working xp
[17:47] <TinuvaMac> xp aint really supported anymore nowadays
[17:47] <TinuvaMac> why you even trying to get it to work?
[17:48] <Kilos> because thats what my sister uses to play age of empires 2
[17:48] <Kilos> its all she wants, no energy to lr=earn win7
[17:48] <Kilos> learn
[17:49] <magespawn> does that pc ever go online Kilos?
[17:49] <Kilos> never
[17:50] <TinuvaMac> speaking of, i havent tried OpenAge on nix yet
[17:50] <Kilos> its just to store photos and games and play to forget the days stress
[17:50] <magespawn> then there is relatively low risk
[17:50] <magespawn> TinuvaMac, OpenAge?
[17:51] <TinuvaMac> https://github.com/SFTtech/openage
[17:51] <TinuvaMac> opensource clone of AOE2 engine
[17:51] <magespawn> cool beans
[17:52] <Kilos> TinuvaMac: size?
[17:52] <TinuvaMac> small, but i think you need original AOE2 for the data files
[17:53] <Kilos> ah we have that
[17:53] <Kilos> so whats the clone for then if you have aoe cds?
[18:10] <magespawn> Maybe he got a bit tired of that conversation
[18:10] <Kilos> lol
[18:11] <Kilos> magespawn: if i cant get it to boot from the sata dvd surely the prob is somewhere in bios
[18:11] <Kilos> i just pulled battery and power
[18:12] <Kilos> maybe a bios upgrade would sort it but im not going online with unprotected xp
[18:14] <Kilos> hi somaunn 
[18:14] <somaunn> hi Kilos
[18:14] <somaunn> how are things here
[18:14] <somaunn> §???
[18:15] <Kilos> good ty and by you?
[18:15] <charl> good evening
[18:15] <somaunn> like a fish in a water bro
[18:15] <somaunn> ty
[18:15] <somaunn> wish i could get help from here
[18:16] <Kilos> lol
[18:16] <Kilos> what you need
[18:17] <somaunn> I've copied files on my Fed21 Music folder but can't delete them 
[18:17] <Kilos> just state what you want to do and if someone can help they will
[18:17] <Kilos> well
[18:18] <magespawn> Kilos the bios boot order may not be set correct for the dvd. you said the bios does see it?
[18:18] <Kilos> if you boot from ubuntu live dvd or stick you can delete everything
[18:18] <Kilos> hehe'
[18:18] <magespawn> somaunn, what os are you running?
[18:18] <somaunn> message: the trash has reached its maximum size! Cleanup the trash manually.
[18:18] <magespawn> hi charl 
[18:19] <Kilos> ya magespawn it does and i set it to boot from cd but it hangs there a while then goes into xp
[18:19] <Kilos> grrr
[18:19] <Kilos> hi charl 
[18:19] <somaunn> magespawn: using Fedora 21 alpha
[18:19] <magespawn> maybe the disk is faulty
[18:19] <magespawn> somaunn, which user owns the files?
[18:19] <Kilos> no man it was working in xubuntu this morning
[18:20] <somaunn> magespawn: my user account bro
[18:20] <magespawn> Kilos, ti doe start to sound like it is the drive then
[18:20] <magespawn> it does
[18:20] <Kilos> the dvd?
[18:20] <magespawn> somaunn, then you should be able to delete them
[18:20] <Kilos> i will try the one from here
[18:21] <magespawn> does Fedora require su to delete files? 
[18:21] <somaunn> not by default
[18:21] <magespawn> somaunn, how did you copy them? maybe check the ownership
[18:21] <somaunn> how can i delete forlder in batch from cli ?
[18:22] <Kilos> delete the whole folder
[18:22] <somaunn> Kilos: can't, i want to delete specific folders only 
[18:23] <Kilos> can you copy the stuff you want to somewhere else?
[18:23] <somaunn> magespawn: i'm the owner as you can see hee drwxrwxr-x.  4 arnaud arnaud     4096 Nov 18 20:50 Women of faith
[18:23] <Kilos> or wont it allow that either
[18:24] <magespawn> rm i think is the command
[18:26] <somaunn_> Kilos: don't have ext hdd with me now
[18:27] <Kilos> yes but will it aloow you to copy them
[18:27] <Kilos> allow
[18:27] <Kilos> or is that also blocked
[18:41] <magespawn> somaunn_, maybe you own the files but not the folder they are in or the drive
[18:42] <somaunn_> magespawn: have found a way to delete it using the root account
[18:43] <Kilos> then you dont have permissions in that folder
[18:43] <Kilos> you could chown it
[18:44] <Kilos> with caution
[18:45] <magespawn> coll beans somaunn_ 
[18:46] <magespawn> cool too
[18:47] <Kilos> lol
[18:55] <somaunn_> Kilos: magespawn succeed
[18:55] <somaunn_> yet it's tool me time but succeed
[18:55] <somaunn_> coming back in one hour !
[18:55] <Kilos> ok
[18:56] <Kilos> well done
[18:56] <Kilos> ai!\
[18:57] <Kilos> hey magespawn swap dvd and it works
[18:57] <Kilos> its not a year old yet
[18:57] <Kilos> and worked this morning
[18:57] <Kilos> good call my man
[18:58] <magespawn> process of elimination, might be a problem between that drive and the board
[18:59] <Kilos> also i chose legacy mode in bios which i didnt try before
[18:59] <Kilos> will test the dvd here when i switch off
[19:00] <Kilos> i dunno can one hot plug sata things
[19:02] <Kilos> glad its working though, would have battled to sleep otherwise
[19:03] <magespawn> i think e- sata you can, but sata i think it would be wise to turn the machine off
[19:03] <Kilos> ty ill try the dvd here in the morning
[19:03] <Kilos> nice to have you around my magespawn 
[19:04] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[19:04] <Kilos> naand inetpro ook
[19:04] <superfly> hi Kilos
[19:06] <magespawn> hi superfly 
[19:06] <superfly> hi magespawn
[19:06] <magespawn> glade i could help Kilos 
[19:16] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:32] <Kilos> hmm... 
[19:32] <magespawn> back again Kilos ?
[19:33] <Kilos> had to come tell you magespawn , must have been the legacy settings
[19:33] <Kilos> it works here
[19:33] <Kilos> yay no claiming needed
[19:33] <Kilos> lol sleep tight
[19:34] <Kilos> legacy works native and the other setting dont
[20:07] <somaunn> Hello Guys
[20:07] <somaunn> I'm back
[20:07] <somaunn> finally my trash is still full and the system is asking me to delete everthing manually 
[20:24] <magespawn> somaunn, can you open the trash and delete from there?
[20:26] <somaunn> openned > checked from GUi but the trash is empty
[20:27] <somaunn> checked hidden files to if something is there but nothing 
[20:27] <somaunn> look very strange
[20:28] <magespawn> maybe this can help http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/how-to-open-the-trash-folder-and-empty-the-trash-in-command-line-664836/
[20:28] <magespawn> any way, i have to go to bed, chat later all
[22:17] <EvilDMP> Hello South African Ubuntu users - I am hoping to find someone who can lead an Ubuntu install party at http://python-namibia.org
[22:17] <EvilDMP> If you have any suggestions, I'd be very grateful for them
[22:29] <Joe_knock> EvilDMP: You're not really evil right?
[22:34] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: I do my best
[22:37] <Joe_knock> So you want an ubuntu install party to take place? Would you like to be the lead on it? We can have the disks shipped to you.
[22:38] <Joe_knock> @EvilDMP
[22:38] <Joe_knock> EvilDMP: ^^
[22:38] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: I'm organising the whole conference and will be running around madly for four days - I'm hoping to find someone in Namibia or perhaps ZA who's willing to travel to attend, and is more of an expert than I am
[22:39] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: there'll be 40 UNAM students there of the 80 attendees; most of the students apparently are soldiering on with aged Windows laptops
[22:39] <EvilDMP> and that's not going to be ideal for doing Python workshops etc
[22:39] <gremble> Those poor bastards
[22:40] <gremble> I would totally do it if I had any way of getting there haha
[22:40] <EvilDMP> A friend who works for Canonical had been planning to come to do that and another session, but work calls him to ZA just in the wrong week
[22:40] <Joe_knock> Hopefully we can find an ubuntu user in Namibia, but for anyone else, they're probably going to need a sponsorship to travel.
[22:41] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: I've written to Canonical about sponsorship (no reply yet)
[22:41] <Joe_knock> EvilDMP: If you can get about 5 students onto the mailing list or here, we can help them install ubuntu remotely and they must then pass that knowledge on to the others.
[22:42] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: they seem to strongly prefer sponsorship requests from witin Ubuntu/Canonical
[22:42] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: I don't know any of the students yet!
[22:42] <Joe_knock> I don't mind coming to Namibia for a few days, but it will be a wasted expense if we can help them remotely.
[22:42] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: the aim of the conference is to help bootstrap the open source community there
[22:43] <Joe_knock> Are you arranging PyCon Namibia? 
[22:43] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: actually, one of the most valuable aspects of the conference is to get people to meet face-to-face and form connections 
[22:44] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: I'm organising this event, but we're not calling it a PyCon - it wouldn't be appropriate for me as an outsider to organise someone else's PyCon - this is a more modest event
[22:44] <EvilDMP> the idea is that the following year the community that has formed will be able to host its own PyCon
[22:44] <EvilDMP> (and invite us to it)
[22:45] <gremble> Who are you representing then?
[22:45] <Joe_knock> The name isn't such a big thing EvilDMP . Calling it PyCon will help people understand what this event is about
[22:46] <EvilDMP> I've been working on a project to help establish PyCons in Africa for a long time, and my ex-colleagues at Cardiff are involved in a major project with UNAM - so we decided to make this part of that
[22:46] <EvilDMP> sorry, at Cardiff University
[22:46] <EvilDMP> gremble: I'm not representing anyone
[22:46] <gremble> You answered my question anyway :P
[22:47] <EvilDMP> gremble: I organised http://djangoweekend.org, helped organise http://2014.djangocon.eu, and will be organising (well, the chair of the committee anyway) DjangoCon Europe 2015 here in Cardiff
[22:49] <Joe_knock> EvilDMP: What I can also do is put you in touch with a colleague of mine. He normally organizes the PyCon in SA.
[22:49] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: Simon?
[22:50] <EvilDMP> by the way for the general African PyCons project, #pycon-in-africa
[22:51] <Joe_knock> Yeah, Simon from CT.
[22:51] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: we're already in touch, I'm hoping he'll be there
[22:51] <EvilDMP> and plenty of other folks from SA too
[22:52] <EvilDMP> I have been bothering South African companies about sponsorship, naturally
[22:53] <Joe_knock> If Simon is coming, perhaps he can do the Ubuntu party as well. Have you asked him?
[22:53] <EvilDMP> I shall
[22:54] <EvilDMP> And in the meantime, if anyone here would like to spend a few days in Windhoek doing Python - it would be fantastic to have you there
[22:54] <EvilDMP> thanks for your help and suggestions
[22:57] <Joe_knock> Nice to see a new city, but getting to Namibia is a nightmare :P
[22:58] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: I think Simon was talking about driving
[22:59] <Joe_knock> Let me check the distance to get there :P
[23:00] <EvilDMP> it's about 1600km! my idea of a long drive is 2 hours
[23:00] <gremble> That would be quite the drive
[23:01] <Joe_knock> sheeeettt. it's roughly 1400KM 
[23:01] <Joe_knock> 17 hour drive :O
[23:02] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: are you in Cape Town?
[23:02] <Joe_knock> Nope, I think Cape Town is even further away
[23:03] <Joe_knock> and it's worse for Simon cause he'll have to drive through the Kalahari
[23:03] <Joe_knock> in summer
[23:04] <EvilDMP> I'd assume that anyone would fly anyway
[23:04] <EvilDMP> you'd have to really like driving, otherwise...
[23:05] <Joe_knock> EvilDMP: Driving used to be part of the journey in SA. A sort of "cultural"  thing
[23:12] <EvilDMP> right, it's bedtime for me, thanks again!
[23:14] <Joe_knock> Take care EvilDMP