[02:40] <jjfrv8> bluesabre, running through the Parole testcase I noticed that the help docs could stand a few updates
[02:42] <jjfrv8> one place is Preferences->Display. Video Output is new. If you want, I can make some edits to the docs but I wouldn't know how to explain the video output choices.
[02:55] <jjfrv8> bblt
[03:56] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mugshot/+bug/1394064
[12:12] <ochosi> hey folks
[12:18] <knome> hello ochosi 
[12:19] <ochosi> hey pasi, what's up?
[12:20] <knome> nothing special
[12:20] <knome> and there?
[12:20] <knome> finished traveling for a while?
[12:20] <ochosi> yup, at least for a bit it'll be more quiet
[12:21] <knome> great
[12:21] <knome> did you check out my responsive-CSS commit for the docs?
[12:21] <ochosi> not yet, only read about it
[12:22] <ochosi> what would be the easiest way to do so?
[12:22] <ochosi> or does it need extra testing before it'll land?
[12:22] <knome> it's in trunk
[12:22] <knome> bzr branch lp:xubuntu-docs && cd xubuntu-docs && make
[12:23] <knome> then open build/desktop-guide/index.html in a browser
[12:26] <ochosi> k
[12:27] <knome> it probably needs some little tweaks
[12:27] <knome> but they aren't anything that would break the experience or stop anybody from reading the docs with any device
[12:29] <knome> i would say those are namely:
[12:30] <knome> make the admonition graphics smaller
[12:30] <knome> check the header line-heights
[12:31] <ochosi> i got parsing errors when building
[12:31] <knome> aha?
[12:31] <ochosi> oh, i guess i don't have xml2po installed
[12:31] <knome> oops ;)
[12:31] <ochosi> no the package name by chance?
[12:32] <knome> no
[12:32] <knome> and don't "know" either
[12:33] <ochosi> gnome-doc-utils apparently
[12:33] <knome> we should really list those somewhere in the branch
[12:33] <knome> :|
[12:35] <knome> well debian/control tells that...
[12:35] <knome> docbook-xml, docbook-xsl, xsltproc, gnome-doc-utils to build
[12:37] <ochosi> looks good on the fake smartphone that chromium offers
[12:38] <ochosi> fwiw, the (!) red attention icon has meanwhile been changed in elementary-xfce to a yellow triangle
[12:38] <ochosi> also looks less like ERROR
[12:38] <ochosi> would be nice to update/replace that
[12:38] <knome> aha
[12:39] <knome> point me to the new icon and i'll do it together with the other small changes
[12:40] <ochosi> https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/blob/master/elementary-xfce/status/32/dialog-warning.svg
[12:40] <ochosi> well replace 32 with the size you need obviously
[12:40] <knome> no PNG? :P
[12:40] <ochosi> wasn't sure what size the docs used
[12:40] <ochosi> png is installed on your system ;)
[12:40] <ochosi> so /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce/..
[12:40] <knome> dang, i thought you'd do the work for me :P
[12:41] <ochosi> huhu
[12:41] <ochosi> btw, is it a design decision that there's no visual hover effect on the hyperlinks in the docs?
[12:42] <knome> i can't remember :P
[12:42] <ochosi> :]
[12:43] <knome> if you think it's an issue, i can look at it
[12:43] <knome> fwiw, i still have the old icon :P
[12:43] <knome> i'm running 14.04
[12:44] <knome> humm
[12:44] <knome> now tell me
[12:44] <knome> we have caution.png and important.png with that icon
[12:44] <knome> do you think i should just change both?
[12:44] <knome> the "warning" symbol is a stop-sign
[12:45] <ochosi> ehm
[12:46] <ochosi> guess you gotta give me some example contexts they appear in
[12:46] <knome> answer: i don't know
[12:46] <knome> there's no way to know which situation it is except to look in the source
[12:46] <knome> i don't even remeber if we use both tags
[12:47] <ochosi> well better clean that up first then ;)
[12:47] <knome> let's put it this way... do you think we would benefit of having the two different icons?
[12:47] <ochosi> not really
[12:47] <knome> ok, then i'll just replace both
[12:48] <ochosi> thing is, that red circle looks too much like an error sign anyway, so it's best to get rid of it
[12:48] <knome> heh
[12:48] <knome> great, thunar crashed
[13:20] <bluesabre> jjfrv8: won't be around today, but ochosi can help with Parole descriptions
[13:21] <bluesabre> ochosi: sent a mail for some priority greeter bugs, lets take a look at those if possible.  I think https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1392367 might be the new black screen bug.
[13:21] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[13:30] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, thanks! commented on the bug. it's easily possible though that conky and the custom setup of the guy is involved in the segfault...
[13:55] <elfy> wb ochosi :)
[13:57] <ochosi> thanks (again) :)
[14:03] <elfy> you seem to actually be here this time :p
[14:04] <ochosi> yup
[14:04] <ochosi> more or less
[14:26] <knome> pushed new revision for docs
[14:26] <knome> see commit message for the changes
[14:27] <knome> ochosi, slickymaster:
[14:43] <ochosi> knome: yup, new icon looks much better
[15:15] <ochosi> bluesabre: i'm proposing to close this one as wontfix, lemme know whether you agree: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker-settings/+bug/1393767
[15:29] <jjfrv8> ochosi, bluesabre volunteered you to educate me on the new Video Output display setting in Parole
[15:29] <jjfrv8> do you even want to update the docs to include that setting?
[15:38] <ochosi> wait, can you really use the verb "volunteer" to "volunteer someone"? :)
[15:38] <ochosi> ah right, yeah, that would probably make sense to reflect that in the online docs
[15:39] <sidi_> ochosi, i have some laundry that needs volunteering btw.
[15:40]  * sidi_ would like to start distributing the surveys to Xfce users, btw
[15:40] <sidi_> you guys got your own site/blog/fb/g+ if i followed well?
[15:44] <jjfrv8> ochosi, if you'd like, I could just add the screenshots and put some placeholder text on the staging site and you or bluesabre could fill in the technical details
[15:50] <ochosi> ah sure, that sounds nice
[15:50] <ochosi> thanks jjfrv8 
[15:51] <ochosi> just ping me when it's ready
[15:51] <ochosi> sidi_: yeah
[15:51] <ochosi> twitter, g+, fb, blog
[15:51] <ochosi> maybe even more, i'm not sure
[15:53] <sidi_> ochosi, good. i'll make a list of the people i need to mail tonight then to ask for distribution
[15:53] <sidi_> gotta not make this too xubuntu centric :-)
[15:54] <jjfrv8> ochosi, ok, there are also a few minor changes needed in other sections. I'll do them and let you know when they're all ready.
[15:55] <ochosi> sidi_: yeah, makes not to focus on a distro
[15:55] <ochosi> jjfrv8: sweet! thanks a lot!
[17:12] <slickymasterWork> knome, I'll check your commit tonight when I get home
[17:13] <knome> slickymasterWork, ta
[17:13] <slickymasterWork> and hi, too ;)
[17:15] <slickymasterWork> dkessel, have you checked your 'Devices' tab in the 'Mouse and Touchpad' settings?
[17:15] <knome> hullo
[17:16] <dkessel> slickymasterWork: hello :) will do that when i retest for the bug... once i have managed to get my hands onto the machine this week...
[17:17] <slickymasterWork> ok dkessel, ping me afterwards, so we can make a final judgment on your bug report
[18:13] <elfy> ochosi:  bug1394314
[18:13] <elfy> bug 1394314
[18:13] <elfy> I redid it - marked my original as a dupe and made comment not to mark THIS one as a dupe 
[18:14] <elfy> an issue which I'd lost for a while - but has now resurfaced for the last couple of days
[18:55] <dkessel> slickymasterWork: could not reproduce the context menu bug anymore, marked it as invalid
[18:56] <slickymasterWork> ok dkessel, thanks
[21:47] <brainwash> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/Xfce might need a rework, the page was last updated back in 2009
[21:48] <knome> it might need deleting
[21:48] <brainwash> is it obsolete?
[21:49] <brainwash> or do you mean "less is more"?
[21:49] <knome> it's a bit meh
[21:52] <brainwash> is anyone willing to improve this wiki page? I would just mess around with the structure and eventually give up
[21:53] <knome> generally i think it would be much more useful to point to a page that explains how to use BUGZILLA, not the xfce wiki explicitly
[21:54] <brainwash> maybe you are right
[21:55] <knome> same goes for all bug trackers, just explain the software
[21:55] <knome> maybe you could bring this up on #ubuntu-quality 
[21:57] <brainwash> yeah, it's somehow strange that several of these wiki pages just explain how to use bugzilla
[22:04] <Pwnna> does lightlocker leave logs?
[22:04] <Pwnna> utopic, black screen bug is back
[22:07] <dkessel> hmm should i report this repaint issue with thunar? https://imgur.com/OiGCnZT (the blur is made by me ;) basically, it is not redrawing dirty regions anymore...
[22:08] <brainwash> dkessel: anymore? since when?
[22:08] <dkessel> brainwash: well, this running instance is doing this...
[22:09] <dkessel> brainwash: and opening new windows takes about 20 seconds
[22:09] <brainwash> interesting
[22:10] <brainwash> does killing all instances of thunar resolve the problem(s)?
[22:10] <dkessel> but the new windows behave normally
[22:10] <dkessel> i guess... let me try
[22:12] <dkessel> yup. brainwash: could this be related to thumbnail creation? there was a new file in the folder
[22:13] <brainwash> right, I was thinking about this too, or something caused by browsing network shares
[22:13] <brainwash> or even local mounted devices
[22:14] <brainwash> this buggy behavior should be reported, preferable upstream
[22:16] <brainwash> the important thing is, you have to find a way to reproduce this bug :)
[22:16] <dkessel> i was guessing so... ;)
[22:17]  * dkessel looks up how to kill those thumbnails
[22:19] <brainwash> Pwnna: black screen caused by suspend via lid close? do you maybe own a thinkpad?
[22:19] <Pwnna> brainwash: yea 
[22:20] <brainwash> yea to both questions?
[22:21] <brainwash> people continue to add comments to the old launchpad report for trusty
[22:21] <brainwash> there is also bug 1387413
[22:44] <slickymaster> knome, just build rev. 278
[22:44] <slickymaster> everything looks ok
[22:44] <knome> good
[22:44] <knome> i'm now the maintainer for xfce twitter account too
[22:45] <knome> how did this happen? :P
[22:45] <dkessel> lol
[22:45] <slickymaster> lol
[22:45] <dkessel> said yes in the wrong moment? ;)
[22:45] <slickymaster> where you engaged?
[22:45] <dkessel> :D
[22:46] <knome> dkessel, i guess.. :P
[22:46] <knome> slickymaster, was i engaged with what? :P
[22:47] <slickymaster> engaged in the sense that you were forced to
[22:47] <knome> nah
[22:47] <knome> things change
[22:48] <slickymaster> :)
[22:48] <knome> sidi, you should've sent the mail directly to -users
[22:48] <knome> sidi, the end-user facing one
[22:52] <sidi> ah crap
[22:53] <sidi> thought its better to let you ACK and do it yourselves as im not Xub
[22:53] <knome> hrr hrr
[23:19] <Pwnna> brainwash: sorry for being AFK. but yes to both questions
[23:19] <Pwnna> and which bug should i be adding comments to?
[23:43] <Unit193> brainwash: Oh, and you asked me something about mate, could be an idea, but one that bluesabre should look at.
[23:44] <brainwash> Pwnna: I suggest that you add comments to the new report. the old one is marked as fixed and it's not easy to follow the flood of comments
[23:44] <Pwnna> brainwash: sure. i've been intermittenly reproducing the bug.
[23:44] <Pwnna> i can sometimes reliably reproduce it, and then it goes away (however when i wake the screen is at minimum brightness)
[23:45] <Pwnna> checked out /var/logs.. found nothing of interest so far
[23:45] <brainwash> Unit193, bluesabre: mate-system-tools as replacement for gnome-system-tools (which is not maintained anymore)
[23:48] <Pwnna> brainwash: are you the person reporting that new bug?
[23:48] <Pwnna> do you have a thinkpad as well?
[23:48] <Pwnna> there may be another minor bug for lightlocker
[23:48] <brainwash> Pwnna: no, it's not me
[23:49] <Pwnna> ok
[23:49] <brainwash> personally I would just switch to another screen locker
[23:49] <Pwnna> yeah
[23:49] <Pwnna> me too
[23:50] <Pwnna> but i'm lazy and i got my work around
[23:51] <Pwnna> in addition, do we track this bug?
[23:51] <Pwnna> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10373
[23:54] <Pwnna> there's https://bugs.launchpad.net/libxfce4ui/+bug/1303404 but there hasn't been an update for like. a release now
[23:56] <brainwash> right, if no one is able/willing to fix it, then it will remain unfixed
[23:58] <brainwash> I don't know if reverting the "faulty" commit is the right solution
[23:59] <brainwash> Pwnna: I suggest that you talk to hjudt in #xfce-dev