[02:40] bluesabre, running through the Parole testcase I noticed that the help docs could stand a few updates [02:42] one place is Preferences->Display. Video Output is new. If you want, I can make some edits to the docs but I wouldn't know how to explain the video output choices. [02:55] bblt [03:56] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mugshot/+bug/1394064 [03:56] Launchpad bug 1394064 in mugshot (Ubuntu) "Mugshot fails to launch after clearing all user info fields (name, initials, email, etc)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [12:12] hey folks [12:18] hello ochosi [12:19] hey pasi, what's up? [12:20] nothing special [12:20] and there? [12:20] finished traveling for a while? [12:20] yup, at least for a bit it'll be more quiet [12:21] great [12:21] did you check out my responsive-CSS commit for the docs? [12:21] not yet, only read about it [12:22] what would be the easiest way to do so? [12:22] or does it need extra testing before it'll land? [12:22] it's in trunk [12:22] bzr branch lp:xubuntu-docs && cd xubuntu-docs && make [12:23] then open build/desktop-guide/index.html in a browser [12:26] k [12:27] it probably needs some little tweaks [12:27] but they aren't anything that would break the experience or stop anybody from reading the docs with any device [12:29] i would say those are namely: [12:30] make the admonition graphics smaller [12:30] check the header line-heights [12:31] i got parsing errors when building [12:31] aha? [12:31] oh, i guess i don't have xml2po installed [12:31] oops ;) [12:31] no the package name by chance? [12:32] no [12:32] and don't "know" either [12:33] gnome-doc-utils apparently [12:33] we should really list those somewhere in the branch [12:33] :| [12:35] well debian/control tells that... [12:35] docbook-xml, docbook-xsl, xsltproc, gnome-doc-utils to build [12:37] looks good on the fake smartphone that chromium offers [12:38] fwiw, the (!) red attention icon has meanwhile been changed in elementary-xfce to a yellow triangle [12:38] also looks less like ERROR [12:38] would be nice to update/replace that [12:38] aha [12:39] point me to the new icon and i'll do it together with the other small changes [12:40] https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/blob/master/elementary-xfce/status/32/dialog-warning.svg [12:40] well replace 32 with the size you need obviously [12:40] no PNG? :P [12:40] wasn't sure what size the docs used [12:40] png is installed on your system ;) [12:40] so /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce/.. [12:40] dang, i thought you'd do the work for me :P [12:41] huhu [12:41] btw, is it a design decision that there's no visual hover effect on the hyperlinks in the docs? [12:42] i can't remember :P [12:42] :] [12:43] if you think it's an issue, i can look at it [12:43] fwiw, i still have the old icon :P [12:43] i'm running 14.04 [12:44] humm [12:44] now tell me [12:44] we have caution.png and important.png with that icon [12:44] do you think i should just change both? [12:44] the "warning" symbol is a stop-sign [12:45] ehm [12:46] guess you gotta give me some example contexts they appear in [12:46] answer: i don't know [12:46] there's no way to know which situation it is except to look in the source [12:46] i don't even remeber if we use both tags [12:47] well better clean that up first then ;) [12:47] let's put it this way... do you think we would benefit of having the two different icons? [12:47] not really [12:47] ok, then i'll just replace both [12:48] thing is, that red circle looks too much like an error sign anyway, so it's best to get rid of it [12:48] heh [12:48] great, thunar crashed [13:20] jjfrv8: won't be around today, but ochosi can help with Parole descriptions [13:21] ochosi: sent a mail for some priority greeter bugs, lets take a look at those if possible. I think https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1392367 might be the new black screen bug. [13:21] Launchpad bug 1392367 in LightDM GTK+ Greeter "SegFault in libgdk-3" [Undecided,New] [13:21] gotta run, bbl [13:30] bluesabre: ok, thanks! commented on the bug. it's easily possible though that conky and the custom setup of the guy is involved in the segfault... [13:55] wb ochosi :) [13:57] thanks (again) :) [14:03] you seem to actually be here this time :p [14:04] yup [14:04] more or less [14:26] pushed new revision for docs [14:26] see commit message for the changes [14:27] ochosi, slickymaster: [14:43] knome: yup, new icon looks much better [15:15] bluesabre: i'm proposing to close this one as wontfix, lemme know whether you agree: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker-settings/+bug/1393767 [15:15] Launchpad bug 1393767 in light-locker-settings (Ubuntu) "[trusty] light-locker-settings may prevent xfpm to apply power source dependent monitor power management" [Undecided,New] [15:29] ochosi, bluesabre volunteered you to educate me on the new Video Output display setting in Parole [15:29] do you even want to update the docs to include that setting? [15:38] wait, can you really use the verb "volunteer" to "volunteer someone"? :) [15:38] ah right, yeah, that would probably make sense to reflect that in the online docs [15:39] ochosi, i have some laundry that needs volunteering btw. [15:40] * sidi_ would like to start distributing the surveys to Xfce users, btw [15:40] you guys got your own site/blog/fb/g+ if i followed well? [15:44] ochosi, if you'd like, I could just add the screenshots and put some placeholder text on the staging site and you or bluesabre could fill in the technical details [15:50] ah sure, that sounds nice [15:50] thanks jjfrv8 [15:51] just ping me when it's ready [15:51] sidi_: yeah [15:51] twitter, g+, fb, blog [15:51] maybe even more, i'm not sure [15:53] ochosi, good. i'll make a list of the people i need to mail tonight then to ask for distribution [15:53] gotta not make this too xubuntu centric :-) [15:54] ochosi, ok, there are also a few minor changes needed in other sections. I'll do them and let you know when they're all ready. [15:55] sidi_: yeah, makes not to focus on a distro [15:55] jjfrv8: sweet! thanks a lot! [17:12] knome, I'll check your commit tonight when I get home [17:13] slickymasterWork, ta [17:13] and hi, too ;) [17:15] dkessel, have you checked your 'Devices' tab in the 'Mouse and Touchpad' settings? [17:15] hullo [17:16] slickymasterWork: hello :) will do that when i retest for the bug... once i have managed to get my hands onto the machine this week... [17:17] ok dkessel, ping me afterwards, so we can make a final judgment on your bug report [18:13] ochosi: bug1394314 [18:13] bug 1394314 [18:13] bug 1394314 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) "wrapper-2.0 crashed with SIGSEGV in strrchr()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1394314 [18:13] I redid it - marked my original as a dupe and made comment not to mark THIS one as a dupe [18:14] an issue which I'd lost for a while - but has now resurfaced for the last couple of days [18:55] slickymasterWork: could not reproduce the context menu bug anymore, marked it as invalid [18:56] ok dkessel, thanks === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [21:47] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/Xfce might need a rework, the page was last updated back in 2009 [21:48] it might need deleting [21:48] is it obsolete? [21:49] or do you mean "less is more"? [21:49] it's a bit meh [21:52] is anyone willing to improve this wiki page? I would just mess around with the structure and eventually give up [21:53] generally i think it would be much more useful to point to a page that explains how to use BUGZILLA, not the xfce wiki explicitly [21:54] maybe you are right [21:55] same goes for all bug trackers, just explain the software [21:55] maybe you could bring this up on #ubuntu-quality [21:57] yeah, it's somehow strange that several of these wiki pages just explain how to use bugzilla [22:04] does lightlocker leave logs? [22:04] utopic, black screen bug is back [22:07] hmm should i report this repaint issue with thunar? https://imgur.com/OiGCnZT (the blur is made by me ;) basically, it is not redrawing dirty regions anymore... [22:08] dkessel: anymore? since when? [22:08] brainwash: well, this running instance is doing this... [22:09] brainwash: and opening new windows takes about 20 seconds [22:09] interesting [22:10] does killing all instances of thunar resolve the problem(s)? [22:10] but the new windows behave normally [22:10] i guess... let me try [22:12] yup. brainwash: could this be related to thumbnail creation? there was a new file in the folder [22:13] right, I was thinking about this too, or something caused by browsing network shares [22:13] or even local mounted devices [22:14] this buggy behavior should be reported, preferable upstream [22:16] the important thing is, you have to find a way to reproduce this bug :) [22:16] i was guessing so... ;) [22:17] * dkessel looks up how to kill those thumbnails [22:19] Pwnna: black screen caused by suspend via lid close? do you maybe own a thinkpad? [22:19] brainwash: yea [22:20] yea to both questions? [22:21] people continue to add comments to the old launchpad report for trusty [22:21] there is also bug 1387413 [22:21] bug 1387413 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Black screen after wakeup from suspending by closing the laptop lid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1387413 [22:44] knome, just build rev. 278 [22:44] everything looks ok [22:44] good [22:44] i'm now the maintainer for xfce twitter account too [22:45] how did this happen? :P [22:45] lol [22:45] lol [22:45] said yes in the wrong moment? ;) [22:45] where you engaged? [22:45] :D [22:46] dkessel, i guess.. :P [22:46] slickymaster, was i engaged with what? :P [22:47] engaged in the sense that you were forced to [22:47] nah [22:47] things change [22:48] :) [22:48] sidi, you should've sent the mail directly to -users [22:48] sidi, the end-user facing one [22:52] ah crap [22:53] thought its better to let you ACK and do it yourselves as im not Xub [22:53] hrr hrr [23:19] brainwash: sorry for being AFK. but yes to both questions [23:19] and which bug should i be adding comments to? [23:43] brainwash: Oh, and you asked me something about mate, could be an idea, but one that bluesabre should look at. [23:44] Pwnna: I suggest that you add comments to the new report. the old one is marked as fixed and it's not easy to follow the flood of comments [23:44] brainwash: sure. i've been intermittenly reproducing the bug. [23:44] i can sometimes reliably reproduce it, and then it goes away (however when i wake the screen is at minimum brightness) [23:45] checked out /var/logs.. found nothing of interest so far [23:45] Unit193, bluesabre: mate-system-tools as replacement for gnome-system-tools (which is not maintained anymore) [23:48] brainwash: are you the person reporting that new bug? [23:48] do you have a thinkpad as well? [23:48] there may be another minor bug for lightlocker [23:48] Pwnna: no, it's not me [23:49] ok [23:49] personally I would just switch to another screen locker [23:49] yeah [23:49] me too [23:50] but i'm lazy and i got my work around [23:51] in addition, do we track this bug? [23:51] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10373 [23:51] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10373 in General "libxfce4ui-4.11: 3bb8c7d breaks shortcuts with modifier" [Normal,New] [23:54] there's https://bugs.launchpad.net/libxfce4ui/+bug/1303404 but there hasn't been an update for like. a release now [23:54] Launchpad bug 1303404 in libxfce4ui "Hotkeys with modifier overriding each other" [Medium,Confirmed] [23:56] right, if no one is able/willing to fix it, then it will remain unfixed [23:58] I don't know if reverting the "faulty" commit is the right solution [23:59] Pwnna: I suggest that you talk to hjudt in #xfce-dev