[00:07] <Metacity> Whoops...
[00:10] <Unit193> But nice part message anyway.
[02:53] <flan_suse> I can't open Mugshot anymore. I get this error message: IndexError: string index out of range
[02:53] <flan_suse> The only thing I did last time was clear my "first name".
[02:53] <flan_suse> When I try to open Mugshot again, I receive the above error message.
[02:54] <holstein> !info mugshot
[02:55] <flan_suse> !info mugshot
[02:55] <holstein> flan_suse: its that package? have you tried as a different user? where do you get that error? in the terminal?
[02:55] <flan_suse> Yes. That is the package.
[02:55] <flan_suse> And it was working fine until I cleared the "First Name" field.
[02:55] <flan_suse> Now I cannot open it anymore.
[02:56] <holstein> flan_suse: have you tried as a different user?
[02:56] <flan_suse> Works fine under another user.
[02:56] <holstein> flan_suse: you can use the guest user.. if it works as the guest user, then, you can assume its not an issue with the application, or system
[02:56] <flan_suse> If I can find where Mugshot stores its config file, I might be able to fix it / reset it.
[02:56] <holstein> flan_suse: so, if its "fine" in another user, try resetting the config for it
[02:56] <flan_suse> holstein: Where does it store its config file? I could not find it.
[02:56] <holstein> flan_suse: i would look in the users /home..
[02:57] <flan_suse> holstein: I have. There is no folder named Mugshot or mugshot anywhere.
[02:57] <flan_suse> It might be under an "xfce" folder, but I'm having trouble finding the config file.
[02:57] <holstein> flan_suse: look in the .hidden ones.. in .config
[02:57] <flan_suse> holstein: I am.
[02:58] <holstein> flan_suse: sure, friend.. let me think of a machine that i dont mind installing that onto, and i'll try it, and tell you where i find the config
[02:58] <flan_suse> Installing what onto?
[02:58] <flan_suse> Mugshot? It's default in Xubuntu.
[02:59] <holstein> flan_suse: i dont have it here, friend.. so, i'll need to add it, and look for its config..
[02:59] <flan_suse> It's known as "About Me" under Xfce's preferences.
[02:59] <holstein> flan_suse: i dont want mugstho..
[02:59] <holstein> mugshot*
[02:59] <flan_suse> You don't have "About Me" under your Settings in Xfce?
[02:59] <holstein> but, as i  said, if you wait, i'll install it and look and tell you where i find the config
[03:00] <holstein> flan_suse: i dont have mugshot, friend.a nd i dont have stock xubuntu in front of me.. but, i volnteer assistance here, and *can* install it and will.. and ill tell you where i find the config
[03:00] <flan_suse> Okay, and thank you.
[03:01] <holstein> flan_suse: is it not just ~/.face ?
[03:01] <flan_suse> holstein: That's only the image.
[03:02] <ObrienDave> catfish does not show any occurrence of "mugshot" in my /home
[03:03] <flan_suse> ObrienDave: Same here
[03:03] <flan_suse> ObrienDave: I'm guessing the config file has a different name.
[03:04] <ObrienDave> that would be a good guess ;p
[03:05] <ObrienDave> http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=mugshot-docs
[03:06] <ObrienDave> official docs
[03:08] <flan_suse> BRB
[03:08] <flan_suse> Going to relogin and see if this fixed it.
[03:10] <ObrienDave> latest build    https://launchpad.net/mugshot/+download
[03:11] <flan_suse> I am back.
[03:11] <ObrienDave> latest build    https://launchpad.net/mugshot/+download
[03:12] <holstein> well, its likely not the build, since its working fine here, and in another user there
[03:12] <holstein> i mean, change it if you like, but, i dont think its the application
[03:13] <holstein> seems like its pulling the data from somewhere else.. i know, im already over using it, and i literallly just launched it ;)
[03:13] <holstein> but, anyways.. i would try just purging and reinstalling, since, that might get rid of the data that seems to be breaking it, flan_suse
[03:14] <flan_suse> Well, I figured out how to fix it manually, just tinkering around!
[03:14] <flan_suse> I had to manually edit (with sudo) the passwd file: sudo nano /etc/passwd
[03:15] <flan_suse> For my user, I had to write something in the 5th field.
[03:15] <ObrienDave> so, apparently a null field breaks it. file a bug
[03:15] <holstein> nah.. i have a lot of null fields
[03:16] <flan_suse> flansuse:x:1000:1000:Flan,,,:/home/flansuse:/bin/bash
[03:16] <flan_suse> ObrienDave: Bingo.
[03:16] <holstein> i mean, file the bug, but thats not it
[03:16] <flan_suse> I manually added Flan
[03:16] <flan_suse> holstein: I can run Mugshot now.
[03:16] <holstein> sure.. me too
[03:16] <ObrienDave> ok, delete the same field. if it breaks, file the bug
[03:17] <holstein> im just saying, i have blank fields..
[03:17] <flan_suse> Okay. Let me try.
[03:17] <holstein> if you can break it, let me know how, and i'll try it here
[03:18] <flan_suse> Yup. Broke it.
[03:18] <flan_suse> But there's a catch.
[03:18] <flan_suse> Here is my entry, so you can see:
[03:18] <flan_suse> flansuse:x:1000:1000:,,,:/home/flansuse:/bin/bash
[03:18] <flan_suse> Notice I have 3 commas?
[03:18] <holstein> flan_suse: how? i'll try and confirm
[03:18] <flan_suse> :,,,:
[03:19] <flan_suse> Instead of just...
[03:19] <flan_suse> ::
[03:19] <flan_suse> When I cleared the "First Name" field in Mugshot, THAT is what my /etc/passwd entry looked like.
[03:20] <holstein> flan_suse: so, you clear "first name" and what?
[03:20] <flan_suse> (And yes, Mugshot asked for my admin password before I applied the changes to /etc/passwd)
[03:20] <holstein> flan_suse: nah.. didnt break here
[03:20] <holstein> are you on 14.04?
[03:21] <flan_suse> 14.04
[03:21] <holstein> me too..
[03:21] <flan_suse> holstein: Do this.
[03:21] <ObrienDave> me three
[03:21] <flan_suse> Open up mugshot.
[03:21] <flan_suse> Clear EVERYTHING. No first name, last name, initial. Clear it ALL.
[03:21] <flan_suse> Don't even have "spaces" in any of the fields.
[03:21] <holstein> its empty, and im putting in my password..
[03:22] <holstein> that breaks it..
[03:22] <holstein> but, whats the point?
[03:22] <holstein> i mean, its for storing data.. you can file a bug, and i'll confirm it..
[03:22] <flan_suse> What do you mean what's the point?
[03:23] <flan_suse> I'm not sure why it breaks on something like that. Having no account information (name, initials, email, etc.) shouldn't break an application.
[03:24] <ObrienDave> but wait, the docs say it get some things from etc/password, but i don't see the same info in that file
[03:25] <flan_suse> ObrienDave: It's the 5th field in the entry, under /etc/passwd
[03:25] <ObrienDave> ie, i don't see David and B as two separate fields
[03:25] <flan_suse> The very first "comment" in that field is treated as the "First Name". The next comment is "Last Name" and it continues like that.
[03:25] <flan_suse> Really?
[03:26] <ObrienDave> no, :David B,,,:
[03:26] <ObrienDave> david:x:1000:1000:David B,,,:/home/david:/bin/bash
[03:26] <flan_suse> Ugh. Strange way to store it...
[03:26] <flan_suse> No wonder.
[03:27] <ObrienDave> it might start with etc/password but i'm sure it's stored elsewhere
[03:27] <flan_suse> ObrienDave: It always asks for the admin password when making changes to any of the fields.
[03:28] <flan_suse> Do I use ubuntu's bug tracker?
[03:28] <holstein> !bug
[03:29] <holstein> or try and go upstream with it
[03:29] <ObrienDave> when you delete name, does it actually re-write etc/password?
[03:30]  * ObrienDave does not want to try it for himself ;p
[03:31] <flan_suse> ObrienDave: Yes.
[03:32] <ObrienDave> ok, i just changed my initials, no password asked, no writing etc/password. retained initials change. MUST be stored elsewhere
[03:33] <flan_suse> Hmmmm.
[03:33] <flan_suse> But you left First and Last names in tact?
[03:33] <ObrienDave> yes
[03:38] <flan_suse> Ah.
[03:38] <flan_suse> Ugh.
[03:39] <flan_suse> Wrote up the bug report, clicked submit, and then it says: "Timeout error. Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad."
[03:39] <flan_suse> My luck, eh?
[03:39] <flan_suse> http://memegenerator.net/instance/56214147
[03:47] <flan_suse> Keeps giving me the timeout error on Launchpaf.
[03:47] <flan_suse> *Launchpad
[03:50] <flan_suse> holstein: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mugshot/+bug/1394064
[03:50] <flan_suse> I made a simple bug report.
[03:52] <flan_suse> holstein and ObrienDave if you can verify the bug exists, it would help. :)
[03:52] <flan_suse> (Via the URL of the bug report I just linked.)
[03:53] <holstein> flan_suse: well, it will verify them.. "help" is likely relatvie
[03:53] <holstein> relative*
[03:54] <flan_suse> Thank you guys for your time.
[03:55] <flan_suse> Must sleep now. Need to wake up early.
[03:55] <holstein> flan_suse: o/ i'll /join the bug you made.. thanks for yout time
[03:55] <holstein> your*
[03:55] <flan_suse> You too. And good night all!
[08:09] <vijay_> hii..anyone active
[08:09] <vijay_> hey
 quiet in here... <resumes lurking>
[08:24] <esrastara> Hmmm, better come back later.
[08:25] <elfy> best thing to do is ask - then if anyone is about they'll answer
[08:25] <elfy> about and CAN answer that is
[08:25] <esrastara> Thanks elfy
[08:26] <esrastara> The problem: running 12.04. Got def up with Unity et al. Installed xubuntu-desktop. Removed ubuntu-desktop...
[08:27] <esrastara> Now I want to go to 14.04. But the software apdater is attemping to take me back to Ubuntu.
[08:28] <esrastara> i.e. it wants to reinstall Unity and get rid of xfce.
[08:29] <esrastara> Have looked at /etc/issue, /etc/lsb-release, /etc/os-release. All say Ubuntu. uname says ubuntu. Not sure if that's "normal" or where the problem lies.
[08:30] <Unit193> It's a check for the package, likely ubuntu-defaults or somesuch.
[08:31] <esrastara> There's a meta-package that fits the descripton. Pretty much everything depend on it.
[08:33] <esrastara> The package is ubuntu-standard.
[08:33] <esrastara> dpkg -l | grep 'ii  ubuntu'
[08:33] <Unit193> Nope, that's a normal one to have.
[08:33] <Unit193> Awwh, you're going to make me lookup the exact name. :(
[08:33] <esrastara>       No.
[08:34] <esrastara> Thanks.
[08:35] <esrastara> There are only 2 packages installed that have "defaults" in name. None of them seems likely.
[08:35] <Unit193> KeyDependencies=lightdm, unity, ubuntu-artwork, ubuntu-sounds
[08:36] <esrastara> Only lightdm is installed.
[08:36] <Unit193> Remove ubuntu-artwork and ubuntu-sounds, and make sure xubuntu-artwork, xubuntu-default-settings, xfwm4, and xubuntu-default-settings is installed.
[08:36] <esrastara> Stand by...
[08:39] <esrastara> The ubuntu-* packages are gone. All the xubuntu-* packages and xfwm4 are installed. Did you mean to repeat xubuntu-default-settings?
[08:39] <Unit193> Nooope, that's just late night kicking in. :D
[08:40] <esrastara> :-)
[08:40] <esrastara> ubuntu-minimal?
[08:42] <Unit193> Normal to have.
[08:43] <esrastara> A wild stab -- gconf-defaults-service.
[08:44] <Unit193> It's still trying to install unity on upgrade then?  Another tip you can try, though a bit outdated is...
[08:44] <Unit193> !purexfce
[08:45] <esrastara> I found that one. I worked through his package list last weekend. You're right, it's a bit outdated but nothing I wasn't able to work through.
[08:48] <esrastara> The machine looks and feels xubuntu. Only the update manager seems confused.
[08:49] <Unit193> Hrm, so if you do  sudo do-release-upgrade  it doesn't give you more information?
[08:49] <esrastara> @Unit193 - yes, when I check the list of pending work it's planning on ditching xfce and installing unity/gnome.
[08:50] <esrastara> I contemplated do-release-upgrade but chickened out and came here to seek the advice of people who know.
[08:51] <esrastara> Is the a dry-run mode for do-release-upgrade? The --help info doesn't mention one.
[08:52] <Unit193> -s, --sandbox         Test upgrade with a sandbox aufs overlay  but no idea if it works.  Yeah, it'd have asked you if you want ot view the changes before accepting.
[08:54] <esrastara> I'll give that a go then. If I see you on channel when I get back I'll let you know how it pans out.
[08:54] <esrastara> Thanks for your advice.
[08:55] <Unit193> Sure, good luck.  I'll be interested to know, and while my client will still be here I likely won't myself (but will read backlog.)
[08:56] <esrastara> ttfn
[09:19] <esrastara> @Unit193 ran do-release-upgrade. Same (or *very* similar) behaviour as update manager. The list of pending changes was easier to grok. Looks like it's planning on (re)installing unity/gnome3 and all the gnome applets. It will also upgrade xfce.
[09:20] <esrastara> I guess the real question is: does vanilla xubuntu 14.04 come with unity/gonme as an optional DE?
[09:20] <cfhowlett> esrastara, absolutely not.
[09:21] <esrastara> @cfhowlett thanks for that clarification.
[09:21] <cfhowlett> esrastara, happy2help
[09:22] <esrastara> That being the case, it seems like it thinks it's Ubuntu with a bit of Xubuntu on the side and will attempt to upgrade as such.
[09:23] <cfhowlett> esrastara, that's not normal behavior ... is your goal pure xubuntu?
[09:24] <esrastara> That is my goal (sans re-install). I have a working Xubuntu 12.04 but I arrived at it after I came to loathe the improved Unity.
[09:24] <esrastara> I did that by expunging ubuntu-desktop and installing xubuntu-desktop.
[09:24] <esrastara> In the reverse order ;-)
[09:24] <cfhowlett> !purexubuntu
[09:25] <esrastara> Now, as I attempt an upgrade to 14.04 it wants to take me back to Ubuntu.
[09:25] <cfhowlett> esrastara, right.  it's quite difficult to purge all the unity give it's integration as a single product.  might be worth considering a xubuntu reinstallation.
[09:26] <esrastara> I followed the psychocats advice to the letter. It worked. Until now.
[09:26] <esrastara> @cfhowlett I'm starting to think you're right.
[09:26] <esrastara> Sigh. :)
[09:27] <cfhowlett> esrastara, that wiki doesn't address unity --- it'll only hurt a little.
[09:28] <esrastara> And the view from the top will be worth it! Hey, I've given others similar advice. Thank you for engaging with me!
[09:28] <cfhowlett> esrastara, but try the upgraded version first  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/tag/pure-xubuntu/
[09:28] <esrastara> Shall do.
[09:28] <esrastara> ttfn
[09:28] <cfhowlett> esrastara, http://fpaste.org/152072/89326141/
[09:29] <esrastara> thx
[09:29] <esrastara> afk
[09:32] <esrastara> cat <your paste> | <split command> | while read pkg ; do dpkg -l grep "ii  $pkg"; done
[09:32] <esrastara> I'll let everyone know how that plays out.
[09:32] <esrastara> ttfn
[09:46] <N77> hello
[09:56] <N77> can someone help me with setting up windows snapping? As I know, xfwm4 support this feature, but when I drag window to the screen edge, it firstly snaps to it without changing its shape and then just go further. I need windows to change its size to a half of the screen. I have only one workspace and workspace wrapping disabled.
[10:04] <deshipu> N77: settings -> window manager tweaks -> accessibility -> automatically tile windows when moving towards the edge
[10:05] <N77> deshipu: thank you for response, I have this feature enabled, but it does not help
[10:11] <brainwash> if you move the window, does the cursor touch the desktop edge?
[10:12] <brainwash> also, is the window resizable?
[10:13] <N77> brainwash: yes to both questions, I'll try to record my screen to show you
[10:13] <brainwash> well, is there really something to showcase? :)
[10:13] <deshipu> you are using xfwm4, not compiz or anything like thta?
[10:13] <deshipu> like that
[10:14] <brainwash> showcast
[10:14] <brainwash> do the keybinds for tiling work?
[10:15] <N77> deshipu: yes, I'm using xfwm4
[10:17] <N77> brainwash: no, they are not work
[10:19] <brainwash> do any of the keybinds work?
[10:19] <brainwash> like minimize/maximize window
[10:21] <brainwash> furthermore, which xubuntu version do you use?
[10:23] <N77> guys, these shortcuts works, I just tested them on settings center, which is not possible to tile. After shortcuts were assigned, tiling with dragging windows by mouse start to work. Thank you very much for help
[10:26] <brainwash> that's confusing, but I'm glad that you got it working :)
[10:26] <N77> could you try to tile xfce4-settings-manager, is it just me?
[10:27] <brainwash> I cannot test it right now (no access to a xubuntu system)
[10:28] <N77> I see
[11:08] <phm> evolution or thunderbird, personal opinion?
[13:28] <super> hii
[13:32] <super> i did a fresh install of xubuntu trusty tahr and with flash drive(unetboot).I was not given the option to form partitions.Now how can i use Gparted.??Can Gparted in my case requires Live version??
[13:56] <akis> hi all. Today i realized (after last system's upgrade) that every time i plug in my encrypted usb stick the system asks not only for the encryption's password but it asks also (twice) for root privileges password and the same asks when the usb stick is being ejected. see here: http://postimg.org/gallery/34ne880wa/575d7a67/ Any idea why does this happen and is any way to overpass this procedure and return to the previous one (only encryption's p
[13:56] <akis> assword)?
[14:47] <Quixx> I still can't figure out how to change window transparency. What was middle click + mouse left/right on my laptop does not work on my desktop. Middle click on the title bar drops the window to the bottom.
[14:56] <GridCube> Quixx: the only way i know you can still manipulate that is by using a trackpad horizontal scroll
[14:56] <GridCube> on a title bar
[14:56] <Quixx> Why will it work on a trackpad and not on my mouse?
[14:57] <GridCube> the alt-scroll was replaced to the zoom
[14:57] <GridCube> Quixx: beucause your mouse cant do horizontal scrolls
[14:57] <GridCube> only vertical
[14:57] <Quixx> Tjere
[14:57] <Quixx> There's got to be some way to disable zoom and replace it with that, right?
[14:57] <GridCube> i guess
[14:57] <Quixx> but where
[15:00] <GridCube> no idea Quixx the option is not even in the window manager settings anymore
[15:00] <GridCube> even when you can still do it
[15:00] <Quixx> Gotta wait for a dev to show up and bug them
[15:01] <xubuntu97w> hi
[15:01] <GridCube> i know there is a place where that is set
[15:01] <GridCube> !hi | xubuntu97w
[15:01] <xubuntu97w> i don'r speech english very well
[15:01] <xubuntu97w> everyone can speech italian ?
[15:01] <slickymasterWork> !it | xubuntu97w
[15:01] <GridCube> !it | xubuntu97w
[15:02] <slickymasterWork> lol GridCube
[15:02] <xubuntu97w> thanks !!
[15:02] <GridCube> !hivemind | slickymasterWork
[15:02] <slickymasterWork> lazy bot
[15:02] <GridCube> slickymasterWork: do you happen to know where to change the settings for window transparency shortcuts?
[15:03] <GridCube> before zoom was added to alt-scroll, you used to be able to alt-scroll a title bar to control that, but now you can only do it if you happen to have a trackpad with horizontal scroll
[15:04] <slickymasterWork> GridCube, it's in the Compositor tab of the Window Manager Tweaks
[15:05] <GridCube> no, its not
[15:05] <Quixx> But you can't change each window individually anymore
[15:05] <Quixx> Without a trackpad
[15:05] <GridCube> thats just a global setting
[15:06] <slickymasterWork> hmmm, I see now that you're speaking about shortcuts, not windows
[15:06] <Quixx> Shortcuts for windows
[15:06] <Quixx> middle click title bar + cursor left/right changes window transparency on my laptop
[15:07] <Quixx> on my desktop middle click it drops the window to the bottom, and alt+scroll zooms
[15:16] <BITTO1987> Unfortunately in the help channel in Italian there is none. I try to explain my problem here helping me with google translate. I have an Acer Aspire One D255 netbook with Intel GMA3150 video card. On windows due to downscaling I managed to reach the maximum resolution of 1366x768 while on Xubuntu in the control panel makes me set up 1024x600. I tried Xrandr Use clean but I have problems. Unfortunately I do not attend more chatting
[15:17] <Quixx> I think you need to do some kinda grep VGA thing
[15:17] <Quixx> I don't recall the exact commands
[15:17] <BITTO1987> Unfortunately in the help channel in Italian there is none. I try to explain my problem here helping me with google translate. I have an Acer Aspire One D255 netbook with Intel GMA3150 video card. On windows due to downscaling I managed to reach the maximum resolution of 1366x768 while on Xubuntu in the control panel makes me set up 1024x600. I tried Xrandr Use clean but I have problems. Unfortunately I do not attend more chatting
[15:18] <BITTO1987> ok
[15:22] <Azelphur> you can do display scaling with xrandr
[15:28] <BITTO1987> I've already tried it but I have problems
[15:31] <BITTO1987> help meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[15:31] <BITTO1987> pleaseeeeeeeeee
[15:32] <GridCube> !patience | BITTO1987
[15:33] <GridCube> BITTO1987: if xrandr helps, why don't you make a script of your default setting would like to be and set it up to autolaunch at startup?
[16:06] <avoider> Anyone around for support?
[16:06] <avoider> i need some simple help
[16:09] <GridCube> !ask | avoider
[16:11] <avoider> i got it
[16:11] <avoider> thanks mate
[16:19] <BITTO1987> GRIDCUBE: With Xrandr can not I add the resolution you want. I noted the error. Could you please talk in private? I can not follow the conversation on the roll. Thanks.
[16:20] <GridCube> sorry BITTO1987 i don't know more about this kind of issue
[16:21] <BITTO1987> thanks
[19:25] <xubuntu272> buonasera
[19:54] <xubuntu433> buonasera
[19:55] <xubuntu433> avrei bisogno di un help per installare xubuntu su di un vecchio laptop
[19:56] <knome> !it | xubuntu433
[22:09] <esrastara> @cfhowlett (and @Unit193): I've now analysed the delta between my system and @cfhowlett's fpaste. There are 20-or-so packages that are still installed. I will remove them this evening and report back to the channel.
[22:10] <Unit193> Ah, alright.  So you did narrow it down.
[22:22] <Quixx> Where da devs at
[22:23] <knome> Quixx, why are you asking
[22:23] <Quixx> Because I've had the same question for 3 days now and I need to bug someone that's actually fiddled with code
[22:24] <knome> nope.