jkhlis it failing to detect my hd?00:04
jkhlseems not00:30
holsteinjkhl: did you remove any proprietary drivers that were installed before?01:31
holsteinmy proceedure would be like this.. test with a live CD, and/or, a supported operating system, to see that the new graphics card is functional.. if it is, then, i move on to troubleshooting my install01:32
jkhlholstein: I didn't remove drivers, afaik nVidia cards are backwards compatible01:51
jkhlfor some reason my live cd is not booting, even if i set every boot device to cd-rom01:52
jkhlit's still trying to boot from the hd01:52
holsteinjkhl: i wouldnt expect to have a linux distro configured with a card, and remove that card, and replace it, and have the kernel pick it up01:52
holsteinjkhl: i would purge the proprietary drivers, and start fresh..01:52
holsteinjkhl: but, seeing the "new" card in a functional state would help. since, it may not be an issue of the operating system or config01:53
jkhlis a grub bootable cd sufficient?01:54
holsteinin one personal case, i just put the old card back in, purged the drivers, and checked that i was booting stock open drivers.. replaced the card *then*, and started fresh on configuring01:54
holsteinjkhl: "sufficient" is relative01:55
holsteinjkhl: if you have *never* seen that card do anything, i know, i would want to see it do something before i spend too long with it01:55
jkhlsufficient to test the graphics card? sufficient to apply this solution: http://blog.leenix.co.uk/2012/07/evmsactivate-is-not-available-on-boot.html ?01:55
jkhlalso, I tried putting the old card back in, same problem01:55
holsteinin some cases, i'll load up whatever operating system the device is promises support for01:55
holsteinjkhl: you could have knocked something else loose, then01:56
jkhlok I'll double check all the connections01:56
holsteini mean, if scenario A was fine, and scenario B is not.. then, you revert to scenario A and its not again.. that seems suspicious01:56
jkhlbut it seems to detect the hd, just not boot01:56
jkhlI should mention this booting problem has occurred since I received my computer back from a repair shop01:57
jkhlit wasn't occuring before that01:57
holsteinjkhl: then, its hardware related..01:57
holsteinjkhl: id almost bet on it.. but, testing will be all that will proved what is going on01:57
jkhlata3.00: SATA link down (SStatus 0 Scontrol 300)01:58
jkhlata3.01: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 Scontrol 300)01:58
jkhlata3.00: link online but 1 devices miscalssified, trying01:58
jkhlata3.00: reset failed (errno=-11), retrying in 35 secs01:58
jkhlI'll check all the connections01:59
holsteincould be anything.. i mean, why did you take it in?01:59
holsteinand what did who do?01:59
jkhlthere was shimmering (waves) on the screen02:00
jkhlthey just confirmed it was a problem with the gfx card02:00
jkhlso i replaced it02:00
holsteinso, they didnt do anything, then?02:00
jkhlafaik, no02:00
jkhlthey cleaned it02:01
jkhljust that, I'm told02:01
holsteinjust air?02:01
holsteini think you have entirely too many variables present02:01
jkhlit is an old computer, I'd be happy just to salvage the HD02:02
holsteini would, if its my machine, take the hardware out. check connections and wires.. put things back in slowly and test as i go02:02
holsteinyou can mount the hard drive in another machine..02:02
holstein*if* its not broken..02:02
holsteini agree the shimmery waves seems like graphics card02:02
jkhland I can still get to the encrypted data?02:02
jkhlyeah the waves return when i put the old card in (even during booting)02:03
jkhland they are not present with the new card in02:03
holsteinjkhl: nothing about lubuntu/ubuntu/linux is going to prevent you from getting your encrypted data02:03
holsteinyour encryption process may prevent that02:03
holsteini would boot the old card, purge the driver, and start from scratch..02:04
jkhlok, but it doesnt boot even with the old card02:04
holsteinyou can always just force vesa... with an xorg.conf, to test.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=127020902:04
holsteinjkhl: im just following what i see02:04
jkhland that alternative lubuntu ISO is not booting even with all boot devices set to CDROM, atm02:04
holsteinjkhl: i would put the old card in, and repair whatever is preventing scenarioA from working02:05
holsteinadding a new card in the mix wont be constructive at all02:05
holsteinits like having engine trouble and putting new tires on02:05
holsteini mean, you may need new tires, but, its just not going to help you right now. and it actually just throws another variable in the mix02:05
jkhlMounting root file system: No volume groups found02:11
jkhlata3.00: link online but 1 devices miscalssified, device detection might fail02:12
jkhlthere is a little damage to the plastic of the SATA connection to the HD, i'll inspect the 'pins02:13
holsteini would remove it from the equation,and get *something* booting on that hardware02:13
andy38Hello all.. Need some advice on a cloud VM.. Ubuntu Server 12.10. AMP stack, running latest revision apache2 and PHP5.02:21
andy38It's regarding kernel panics.02:21
andy38PM me if u know?02:21
andy38Anyone - server support?02:32
jkhlCD ROM should show up in the IDE device list in the bios, right? well, it's not there02:41
jkhlso I guess that's failing to be detected, cos I checked the connections and they seem fine02:42
jkhltime to give up on this machine and get the HD out of there>02:48
holstein!server | andy3802:59
ubottuandy38: Ubuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments, including a server specific !kernel and no !GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current !LTS version is !Trusty (Trusty Tahr 14.04) - More info: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition - Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide - Support in #ubuntu-server02:59
ubottuUbuntu 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) was the 17th release of Ubuntu.  Support ended on May 16th, 2014. See !eol, !upgrade and http://ubottu.com/y/quantal02:59
holsteinandy38: you should do 14.0402:59
andy38Yeah. It's a live server hosting 50+ domains.03:09
holsteinandy38: "live" is not the concern03:10
holsteinandy38: 12.10 is EOL03:10
holsteinyou'll want to go with a supported operating system03:10
andy38My main concern is actually the kernel.03:10
holsteinit should be literally *all* of the system, that is older, and not patched03:11
holsteinif you have it online, you want a supported version03:11
andy38Sure. All my others are on ubu14... This ones an old baby..been running without a crash for 3 years almost.03:11
holsteinsure.. keep it running if you like.. you'll want to patch it yourself, and there is no support for it03:12
jkhlwell i found one thing - the cd drive was not IDE-connected to the mobo, so that's sorted now03:25
jkhlgoing to try this now to fix the evms_activate is not available on boot error: http://blog.leenix.co.uk/2012/07/evmsactivate-is-not-available-on-boot.html03:26
holsteinjkhl: how are you encrypting?03:27
jkhlnot sure exactly, I chose to encrypt (the ubuntu partition? the home folder?) during the lubuntu installation (with ecryptfs, I think)03:38
holsteinjkhl: if it were me, and that data were important, and not backedup where i can see it, right now, on another location.. then, i would be booting live with whatever would let me back that up03:39
jkhlanother thing solved, the 'fail-safe03:53
jkhlanother thing solved, the 'fail-safe defaults of the bios were setting the sata type to raid, instead of ide'03:54
_joeycouple of things have been buggin me since update : 1) two network applets in the pannel. One I want to remove. 2) Program start in the left corner has disappered07:23
phillw_joey: the two applets is a result of you following the work-around a bug, you simply need to reverse the steps you took.08:41
phillw_joey: http://www.webupd8.org/2014/04/fix-lubuntu-1404-network-manager.html (just delete it)08:43
phillw_joey: as for the 2nd issue, can you be more specific? "Run" should still be there.08:59
_joey2) There was an applet in bottom left hand corner allowing to selct programs, preferences etc. It disappeared.09:05
_joeyI hit keyboard short-cut ctrl-esc and it pops on the bottom-right corner09:06
_joeyPanel has been screwed after update09:06
_joeyNot sure what I have to delete for issue 1)09:08
_joeyI was warned Lubuntu is a buggy distro. I am living with these stupid bugs09:09
phillw_joey: you're not making a whole lot of sense... you're doing a good rant, which is acceptable to a degree, but lubuntu is not a buggy distro and if you climb off the cleiling and back to a chair, we can try and work out issues... Screaming "IT DOESN'T WORK" does not give us volunteers too much to go on.10:04
_joeyI am not sure how else to describe the problem. I am not imagining it. There is a button on the left side of the panel. You click on it. You get a menu of programs, preference, accessories, system tools10:52
_joeythis button has disappeared10:52
_joeyafter update10:53
_joeyThere was no rant from me about Lubuntu either.10:53
hateball_joey: Well, you can rightclick the panel and add it back11:01
hateballThe name of the widget eludes me11:02
Garbonzoif you mean the menu widget, it's called "menu"11:05
Garbonzoappropriately enough11:06
_joeyI can do many things on command line. I have no clue how to add menu widget. I can figure out but it's annoying to get something broken each time the system is upgraded15:21
_joeyBuggy distro! - all I can say15:21
_joeyI added and it appeared on the right instead of on the left15:22
holstein!bug | _joey15:56
ubottu_joey: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.15:56
holsteinwhen you "add" panel items, you can rearrange the location of them15:56
funhey foks16:05
funlatest lubuntu image is 706mb16:06
funbut CDR is 70216:06
funhow come!16:06
funsome joke16:06
holsteinfun: is your question, "how to install using a CD?"?16:07
holsteinif so,you can use the mini iso..16:07
ubottuThe Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want.  The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD16:07
funbut why the normal cd packagage is 4 mb more16:10
_joey« ubuntu-bug  <package> » ?16:10
_joeyit should « ubuntu-bug  <package> »16:11
_joeyErr! it should « ubuntu-bug  <Lubuntu> »16:11
wxl_joey: if you16:11
wxlre trying to point out the difference between lubuntu and ubuntu, may i remind you lubuntu *IS* ubuntu?16:12
holstein!contribute | fun16:12
ubottufun: To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://community.ubuntu.com and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu16:12
holsteinfun: you can get envolved in the package selection and development16:12
fungreat :D16:12
funit says 702 on the site16:21
funshould fit well16:21
holsteinfun: you can boot USB16:21
funit does not work16:22
funD620 bios goes mad16:22
holsteinfun: i use plop to boot usb with machines that dont boot uSB16:25
funI like simple16:28
holsteini find usb simpler.. since, i can re-use them16:29
funI had usb16:31
funbut it does not work on old ps16:31
funwhat is plop?16:31
GITSaitoj ai un disque de stockage WD 2To que j ai formater recement. visible sur mon pc avec lubuntu, mais les medias present dessus ne sont pas visible sur monWDTV Live16:38
GITSaitoje pense que c est dut au format de partition16:39
GITSaitosys de fichier linux - partition GUID16:39
GITSaitodepuis  que je suis passe a ce format, je lis bien mieux mes videos haute definitions sur mon pc qui est une petite configuration sans HD16:40
GITSaitomais sur a la TV disque detecte mais pas les medias16:41
GITSaitodonc ma question, est il possible de faire cohaboter 2 systeme de partions16:41
funok 14.0416:44
fun14.10 70216:44
funwhy LTS is 70616:44
funo well16:44
holsteinfun: i would use 14.04, since its lts.. you can boot the mini iso i linked if you want a smaller iso, and add lubuntu-desktop.. or you can use plop that i linked to boot a CD that allows you to choose a USB to boo16:46
holstein!fr | GITSaito16:46
ubottuGITSaito: Nous sommes desoles mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci.16:46
holsteinthough, i think you are asking about..16:46
holstein!dualboot | GITSaito16:46
ubottuGITSaito: Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows - Macs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot16:46
GITSaito>< sorry16:47
GITSaitoso my question was16:47
funtoo complex16:47
funpeople want easy16:47
funburn go16:47
funI understand how it works but hey16:47
fun14.10 works thats fine16:47
GITSaitocan i get two kind of systeme file type on one drive ?16:47
funimo 14.04 have to be repackaged16:48
GITSaitoan external drive16:48
funto fit on CD too16:48
funlink says CD16:48
GITSaitoubottu> thaanks16:48
holsteinGITSaito: yes16:52
holsteinfun: "easy" is relative16:53
funholstein: yet when link says CD16:53
funand it does not fit16:53
funthats a major bug imo D:16:53
funrest is greay16:53
holstein!bug | fun16:53
ubottufun: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.16:53
holsteinfun: file, if you like.. you'll want a wishlist bug16:54
holsteinfun: let me konw what text refers to "CD" and ill edit it16:54
holsteinif i have access16:54
coder_I'm trying to install lubuntu to 4 GB usb pendrive. Is it possible to get rid of more apps, codecs and so on than17:03
coder_apt-get purge xpad abiword* gnumeric* audacious* mplayer* guvcview xfburn* simple-scan pidgin* sylpheed* transmission*17:03
holstein!mini | coder_17:04
ubottucoder_: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want.  The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD17:04
holsteincoder_: i wouldnt install *any* flavor.. just the minimal packages i can get away with17:04
holsteincoder_: like, lxde instead of lubuntu-desktop..17:05
holsteinif you already have lubuntu installed, remove what you like..17:05
coder_And can I ... survive with that pendrive? ;D17:05
coder_I mean 4 Gb17:05
coder_After removing && installing c::b, dropbox it results in 3.4 Gb17:06
holsteincoder_: "survival" is relatvie17:06
holsteinif you only have 4gb's, then thats your limit17:06
holsteinits up to you how you utilize that space17:06
holsteinthese days, space is *so* cheap...17:06
coder_but I just want to use it at school because then I can be secure ;)17:07
holsteincoder_: you can use it as you please, friend17:07
coder_I know ...17:07
holsteincoder_: nothing you are talking about implies any  level of security17:07
holsteincoder_: only a size restriction..17:07
coder_yes because, unfortunately, I can use only that pendrive17:08
holsteinthere are live iso's like "tails" that imply a level of security17:08
holsteincoder_: you can use a larger one.. or several.. only you are aware of the limitations you have, and why17:08
coder_So I wonder how many place can take that minimal cd image out of the box ;)17:10
holsteincoder_: how many places can take what?17:11
coder_Minimal install installed on a usb stick17:12
holsteincoder_: the mini iso i linked is *very* small.. like 30mb's.. its a nice easy way to get a base system and build up *exactly* what one needs17:12
coder_I mean after installation ;)17:13
holsteincoder_: before.. after.. whenever you like17:13
holsteincoder_: you add whatever you want "after* install..17:13
coder_yes I know ;)17:14
coder_However, there isn't 14.10 mini iso :(17:15
holsteincoder_: i suggest 14.04.. but here is that http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/utopic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso17:18
coder_Why do you suggest 14.04?17:18
holsteinor http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/14.10/ if you need a different iso17:18
ubottuLTS means Long Term Support. Until 12.04 LTS versions of Ubuntu were supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server; since 12.04 (Precise Pangolin) LTS versions will be supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !Trusty (Trusty Tahr 14.04)17:19
holstein14.10 is supported for 9 months.. if i were creating a stick like that for "security", i would want the LTS17:19
coder_I know that17:20
holsteincoder_: ok.. the, you know why i suggest 14.04 over 14.10.. choose what fits your needs best.. cheers!17:20
coder_Don't be so fast ;)17:21
coder_What is netboot iso?17:22
holsteincoder_: ?17:22
coder_second link17:22
holsteincoder_: the "netboot" is like the other netboot iso's.. you boot, and install what you want from the net, basically17:22
coder_oh yes :D17:22
holsteinits a minimal iso, that gets a minimalr system running, so that one can install what one wants, from the net..17:22
holsteinyou can use this to benefit from either the smaller iso size, an install with fresh packages, or, as you are asking about, a custom install with specific packages different from the default17:23
coder_it it an official iso?17:23
coder_I mean, it's not listed there17:24
holsteincoder_: there is not "official mini flavor".. its just the installer that is smaller.. and faciliates different functionality17:25
holsteincoder_: you can see from the link, that its an official ubuntu mirror hosting17:25
coder_But what about drivers on usb installation and ethernet/wifi?17:27
coder_I've installed normal lubuntu there aren't problems with normal drivers however there are problems with ethernet that sometimes works ... sometimes not17:28
coder_That's quite strange because wifi works out of the box17:28
coder_eth generally doesn't17:29
holsteincoder_: its *all* ubuntu17:32
holsteincoder_: if the hardware supports the linux kernel that ubuntu is using, then, you have support with the kernel after the mini iso install17:32
holsteincoder_: if you need firmware or drivers from the repos, then, you can install that.. you can, again, install whatever you need after install17:33
coder_But how can i get to know what to install17:33
holsteinthough, the pre-made, desktop-friendly flavor environments do facilitate a bit of ease...17:33
holsteincoder_: you can ask..17:33
holsteincoder_: so, you installed the mini iso, and its not supporting something? what?17:33
coder_Not mini iso17:33
coder_even normal iso17:34
holsteincoder_: are you talking about wifi?17:34
coder_generally eth sometimes works17:34
coder_no, wifi works out of the box17:34
holsteincoder_: you are not promised linux support from the creators of the hardware, so, sometimes, there are compromises17:34
holsteinif the ethernet (wired internet) is working intermittently, i would check the physical connection, and wire..17:35
coder_I've got ifconfig -a log if that can help :D17:35
holsteincoder_: help what?17:36
coder_Find what's wrong17:36
holsteincoder_: friend.. whats wrong is, you are not sure whats wrong17:37
holsteincoder_: i would, check the actual physical plug.. and change the cable..17:37
holsteinyou can check the forums against the chipset..17:37
coder_I'm sure that eth sometimes doesn't work and connects all the time17:38
holsteinbut, for me, if i have one device that, on a machine where i am promised support for a completely different operating system, and i choose to run another operating system, and *only* one thing is "odd"... i consider that an acceptable compromise17:38
holsteincoder_: you can look at the chipset, and id be glad tohelp you search the forums.. though, i dont think driver support is the issue..17:39
holsteincoder_: you can go upstream to #ubuntu since this is not related to lubuntu or lxde.. and you may find someone with your chipset there17:39
iynqueIf I create and encrypted ext4 volume, is it easy to change the password later, or am I stuck with what I choose when creating it?19:25
testdriynque: if its luks - per cryptsetup - check:   man cryptsetup   and lookup the luksAddKey to add a new passphrase (RemoveKey is for delete of an old one - and never delete all keys!)19:29
iynqueOkay, thanks. I'll read it.19:30
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