[00:04] <jkhl> is it failing to detect my hd?
[00:30] <jkhl> seems not
[01:31] <holstein> jkhl: did you remove any proprietary drivers that were installed before?
[01:32] <holstein> my proceedure would be like this.. test with a live CD, and/or, a supported operating system, to see that the new graphics card is functional.. if it is, then, i move on to troubleshooting my install
[01:51] <jkhl> holstein: I didn't remove drivers, afaik nVidia cards are backwards compatible
[01:52] <jkhl> for some reason my live cd is not booting, even if i set every boot device to cd-rom
[01:52] <jkhl> it's still trying to boot from the hd
[01:52] <holstein> jkhl: i wouldnt expect to have a linux distro configured with a card, and remove that card, and replace it, and have the kernel pick it up
[01:52] <holstein> jkhl: i would purge the proprietary drivers, and start fresh..
[01:53] <holstein> jkhl: but, seeing the "new" card in a functional state would help. since, it may not be an issue of the operating system or config
[01:54] <jkhl> is a grub bootable cd sufficient?
[01:54] <holstein> in one personal case, i just put the old card back in, purged the drivers, and checked that i was booting stock open drivers.. replaced the card *then*, and started fresh on configuring
[01:55] <holstein> jkhl: "sufficient" is relative
[01:55] <holstein> jkhl: if you have *never* seen that card do anything, i know, i would want to see it do something before i spend too long with it
[01:55] <jkhl> sufficient to test the graphics card? sufficient to apply this solution: http://blog.leenix.co.uk/2012/07/evmsactivate-is-not-available-on-boot.html ?
[01:55] <jkhl> ok
[01:55] <jkhl> also, I tried putting the old card back in, same problem
[01:55] <holstein> in some cases, i'll load up whatever operating system the device is promises support for
[01:56] <holstein> jkhl: you could have knocked something else loose, then
[01:56] <jkhl> ok I'll double check all the connections
[01:56] <holstein> i mean, if scenario A was fine, and scenario B is not.. then, you revert to scenario A and its not again.. that seems suspicious
[01:56] <jkhl> but it seems to detect the hd, just not boot
[01:57] <jkhl> I should mention this booting problem has occurred since I received my computer back from a repair shop
[01:57] <jkhl> it wasn't occuring before that
[01:57] <holstein> jkhl: then, its hardware related..
[01:57] <holstein> jkhl: id almost bet on it.. but, testing will be all that will proved what is going on
[01:58] <jkhl> ata3.00: SATA link down (SStatus 0 Scontrol 300)
[01:58] <jkhl> ata3.01: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 Scontrol 300)
[01:58] <jkhl> ata3.00: link online but 1 devices miscalssified, trying
[01:58] <jkhl> ata3.00: reset failed (errno=-11), retrying in 35 secs
[01:59] <jkhl> I'll check all the connections
[01:59] <holstein> could be anything.. i mean, why did you take it in?
[01:59] <holstein> and what did who do?
[02:00] <jkhl> there was shimmering (waves) on the screen
[02:00] <jkhl> they just confirmed it was a problem with the gfx card
[02:00] <jkhl> so i replaced it
[02:00] <holstein> so, they didnt do anything, then?
[02:00] <jkhl> afaik, no
[02:01] <jkhl> they cleaned it
[02:01] <jkhl> just that, I'm told
[02:01] <holstein> how?
[02:01] <holstein> just air?
[02:01] <jkhl> presumably
[02:01] <holstein> i think you have entirely too many variables present
[02:02] <jkhl> it is an old computer, I'd be happy just to salvage the HD
[02:02] <holstein> i would, if its my machine, take the hardware out. check connections and wires.. put things back in slowly and test as i go
[02:02] <jkhl> ok
[02:02] <holstein> you can mount the hard drive in another machine..
[02:02] <holstein> *if* its not broken..
[02:02] <holstein> i agree the shimmery waves seems like graphics card
[02:02] <jkhl> and I can still get to the encrypted data?
[02:03] <jkhl> yeah the waves return when i put the old card in (even during booting)
[02:03] <jkhl> and they are not present with the new card in
[02:03] <holstein> jkhl: nothing about lubuntu/ubuntu/linux is going to prevent you from getting your encrypted data
[02:03] <holstein> your encryption process may prevent that
[02:04] <holstein> i would boot the old card, purge the driver, and start from scratch..
[02:04] <jkhl> ok, but it doesnt boot even with the old card
[02:04] <holstein> you can always just force vesa... with an xorg.conf, to test.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209
[02:04] <holstein> jkhl: im just following what i see
[02:04] <jkhl> and that alternative lubuntu ISO is not booting even with all boot devices set to CDROM, atm
[02:05] <jkhl> ok
[02:05] <holstein> jkhl: i would put the old card in, and repair whatever is preventing scenarioA from working
[02:05] <holstein> adding a new card in the mix wont be constructive at all
[02:05] <jkhl> ok
[02:05] <holstein> its like having engine trouble and putting new tires on
[02:05] <holstein> i mean, you may need new tires, but, its just not going to help you right now. and it actually just throws another variable in the mix
[02:06] <jkhl> true
[02:11] <jkhl> Mounting root file system: No volume groups found
[02:12] <jkhl> ata3.00: link online but 1 devices miscalssified, device detection might fail
[02:13] <jkhl> there is a little damage to the plastic of the SATA connection to the HD, i'll inspect the 'pins
[02:13] <jkhl> '
[02:13] <holstein> i would remove it from the equation,and get *something* booting on that hardware
[02:19] <jkhl> hmm
[02:19] <jkhl> ok
[02:21] <andy38> Hello all.. Need some advice on a cloud VM.. Ubuntu Server 12.10. AMP stack, running latest revision apache2 and PHP5.
[02:21] <andy38> It's regarding kernel panics.
[02:21] <andy38> PM me if u know?
[02:32] <andy38> Anyone - server support?
[02:41] <jkhl> CD ROM should show up in the IDE device list in the bios, right? well, it's not there
[02:42] <jkhl> so I guess that's failing to be detected, cos I checked the connections and they seem fine
[02:48] <jkhl> time to give up on this machine and get the HD out of there>
[02:48] <jkhl> ?
[02:59] <holstein> !server | andy38
[02:59] <holstein> !12.10
[02:59] <holstein> andy38: you should do 14.04
[03:09] <andy38> Yeah. It's a live server hosting 50+ domains.
[03:10] <holstein> andy38: "live" is not the concern
[03:10] <holstein> andy38: 12.10 is EOL
[03:10] <holstein> you'll want to go with a supported operating system
[03:10] <andy38> My main concern is actually the kernel.
[03:11] <holstein> it should be literally *all* of the system, that is older, and not patched
[03:11] <holstein> if you have it online, you want a supported version
[03:11] <andy38> Sure. All my others are on ubu14... This ones an old baby..been running without a crash for 3 years almost.
[03:12] <holstein> sure.. keep it running if you like.. you'll want to patch it yourself, and there is no support for it
[03:25] <jkhl> well i found one thing - the cd drive was not IDE-connected to the mobo, so that's sorted now
[03:26] <jkhl> going to try this now to fix the evms_activate is not available on boot error: http://blog.leenix.co.uk/2012/07/evmsactivate-is-not-available-on-boot.html
[03:27] <holstein> jkhl: how are you encrypting?
[03:38] <jkhl> not sure exactly, I chose to encrypt (the ubuntu partition? the home folder?) during the lubuntu installation (with ecryptfs, I think)
[03:39] <holstein> jkhl: if it were me, and that data were important, and not backedup where i can see it, right now, on another location.. then, i would be booting live with whatever would let me back that up
[03:44] <jkhl> ok
[03:53] <jkhl> another thing solved, the 'fail-safe
[03:54] <jkhl> another thing solved, the 'fail-safe defaults of the bios were setting the sata type to raid, instead of ide'
[06:20] <jkhl> x
[07:23] <_joey> couple of things have been buggin me since update : 1) two network applets in the pannel. One I want to remove. 2) Program start in the left corner has disappered
[08:41] <phillw> _joey: the two applets is a result of you following the work-around a bug, you simply need to reverse the steps you took.
[08:43] <phillw> _joey: http://www.webupd8.org/2014/04/fix-lubuntu-1404-network-manager.html (just delete it)
[08:59] <phillw> _joey: as for the 2nd issue, can you be more specific? "Run" should still be there.
[09:05] <_joey> 2) There was an applet in bottom left hand corner allowing to selct programs, preferences etc. It disappeared.
[09:06] <_joey> I hit keyboard short-cut ctrl-esc and it pops on the bottom-right corner
[09:06] <_joey> Panel has been screwed after update
[09:08] <_joey> Not sure what I have to delete for issue 1)
[09:09] <_joey> I was warned Lubuntu is a buggy distro. I am living with these stupid bugs
[09:09] <_joey> :(
[10:04] <phillw> _joey: you're not making a whole lot of sense... you're doing a good rant, which is acceptable to a degree, but lubuntu is not a buggy distro and if you climb off the cleiling and back to a chair, we can try and work out issues... Screaming "IT DOESN'T WORK" does not give us volunteers too much to go on.
[10:52] <_joey> I am not sure how else to describe the problem. I am not imagining it. There is a button on the left side of the panel. You click on it. You get a menu of programs, preference, accessories, system tools
[10:52] <_joey> this button has disappeared
[10:53] <_joey> after update
[10:53] <_joey> There was no rant from me about Lubuntu either.
[11:01] <hateball> _joey: Well, you can rightclick the panel and add it back
[11:02] <hateball> The name of the widget eludes me
[11:05] <Garbonzo> if you mean the menu widget, it's called "menu"
[11:06] <Garbonzo> appropriately enough
[15:21] <_joey> I can do many things on command line. I have no clue how to add menu widget. I can figure out but it's annoying to get something broken each time the system is upgraded
[15:21] <_joey> Buggy distro! - all I can say
[15:22] <_joey> I added and it appeared on the right instead of on the left
[15:23] <_joey> wtf!!!
[15:56] <holstein> !bug | _joey
[15:56] <holstein> when you "add" panel items, you can rearrange the location of them
[16:05] <fun> hey foks
[16:06] <fun> folks
[16:06] <fun> latest lubuntu image is 706mb
[16:06] <fun> but CDR is 702
[16:06] <fun> how come!
[16:06] <fun> :D
[16:06] <fun> some joke
[16:07] <holstein> fun: is your question, "how to install using a CD?"?
[16:07] <holstein> if so,you can use the mini iso..
[16:07] <holstein> !mini
[16:10] <fun> oki
[16:10] <fun> but why the normal cd packagage is 4 mb more
[16:10] <fun> hehe
[16:10] <_joey> « ubuntu-bug  <package> » ?
[16:11] <_joey> it should « ubuntu-bug  <package> »
[16:11] <_joey> Err! it should « ubuntu-bug  <Lubuntu> »
[16:11] <wxl> _joey: if you
[16:12] <wxl> re trying to point out the difference between lubuntu and ubuntu, may i remind you lubuntu *IS* ubuntu?
[16:12] <holstein> !contribute | fun
[16:12] <holstein> fun: you can get envolved in the package selection and development
[16:12] <fun> great :D
[16:21] <fun> redownloading
[16:21] <fun> it says 702 on the site
[16:21] <fun> should fit well
[16:21] <holstein> fun: you can boot USB
[16:22] <fun> no
[16:22] <fun> it does not work
[16:22] <fun> D620 bios goes mad
[16:22] <fun> hehe
[16:25] <holstein> fun: i use plop to boot usb with machines that dont boot uSB
[16:28] <fun> no
[16:28] <fun> I like simple
[16:29] <holstein> i find usb simpler.. since, i can re-use them
[16:31] <fun> true
[16:31] <fun> I had usb
[16:31] <fun> but it does not work on old ps
[16:31] <fun> what is plop?
[16:31] <fun> *pc
[16:31] <holstein> http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/
[16:37] <GITSaito> bonjour!
[16:38] <GITSaito> j ai un disque de stockage WD 2To que j ai formater recement. visible sur mon pc avec lubuntu, mais les medias present dessus ne sont pas visible sur monWDTV Live
[16:39] <GITSaito> je pense que c est dut au format de partition
[16:39] <GITSaito> sys de fichier linux - partition GUID
[16:40] <GITSaito> depuis  que je suis passe a ce format, je lis bien mieux mes videos haute definitions sur mon pc qui est une petite configuration sans HD
[16:41] <GITSaito> mais sur a la TV disque detecte mais pas les medias
[16:41] <GITSaito> donc ma question, est il possible de faire cohaboter 2 systeme de partions
[16:44] <fun> ok 14.04
[16:44] <fun> 706
[16:44] <fun> 14.10 702
[16:44] <fun> why LTS is 706
[16:44] <fun> lol
[16:44] <fun> o well
[16:46] <holstein> fun: i would use 14.04, since its lts.. you can boot the mini iso i linked if you want a smaller iso, and add lubuntu-desktop.. or you can use plop that i linked to boot a CD that allows you to choose a USB to boo
[16:46] <holstein> !fr | GITSaito
[16:46] <holstein> though, i think you are asking about..
[16:46] <holstein> !dualboot | GITSaito
[16:47] <GITSaito> >< sorry
[16:47] <GITSaito> so my question was
[16:47] <fun> too complex
[16:47] <fun> people want easy
[16:47] <fun> burn go
[16:47] <fun> I understand how it works but hey
[16:47] <fun> 14.10 works thats fine
[16:47] <GITSaito> can i get two kind of systeme file type on one drive ?
[16:48] <fun> imo 14.04 have to be repackaged
[16:48] <GITSaito> an external drive
[16:48] <fun> to fit on CD too
[16:48] <fun> link says CD
[16:48] <GITSaito> ubottu> thaanks
[16:52] <holstein> GITSaito: yes
[16:53] <holstein> fun: "easy" is relative
[16:53] <fun> holstein: yet when link says CD
[16:53] <fun> and it does not fit
[16:53] <fun> thats a major bug imo D:
[16:53] <fun> :)
[16:53] <fun> rest is greay
[16:53] <holstein> !bug | fun
[16:53] <fun> great
[16:54] <holstein> fun: file, if you like.. you'll want a wishlist bug
[16:54] <holstein> fun: let me konw what text refers to "CD" and ill edit it
[16:54] <holstein> if i have access
[17:03] <coder_> I'm trying to install lubuntu to 4 GB usb pendrive. Is it possible to get rid of more apps, codecs and so on than
[17:03] <coder_> apt-get purge xpad abiword* gnumeric* audacious* mplayer* guvcview xfburn* simple-scan pidgin* sylpheed* transmission*
[17:04] <coder_> only?
[17:04] <holstein> !mini | coder_
[17:04] <holstein> coder_: i wouldnt install *any* flavor.. just the minimal packages i can get away with
[17:05] <holstein> coder_: like, lxde instead of lubuntu-desktop..
[17:05] <holstein> if you already have lubuntu installed, remove what you like..
[17:05] <coder_> And can I ... survive with that pendrive? ;D
[17:05] <coder_> I mean 4 Gb
[17:06] <coder_> After removing && installing c::b, dropbox it results in 3.4 Gb
[17:06] <holstein> coder_: "survival" is relatvie
[17:06] <holstein> if you only have 4gb's, then thats your limit
[17:06] <holstein> its up to you how you utilize that space
[17:06] <holstein> these days, space is *so* cheap...
[17:07] <coder_> but I just want to use it at school because then I can be secure ;)
[17:07] <holstein> coder_: you can use it as you please, friend
[17:07] <coder_> I know ...
[17:07] <holstein> coder_: nothing you are talking about implies any  level of security
[17:07] <holstein> coder_: only a size restriction..
[17:08] <coder_> yes because, unfortunately, I can use only that pendrive
[17:08] <holstein> there are live iso's like "tails" that imply a level of security
[17:08] <holstein> coder_: you can use a larger one.. or several.. only you are aware of the limitations you have, and why
[17:10] <coder_> So I wonder how many place can take that minimal cd image out of the box ;)
[17:11] <holstein> coder_: how many places can take what?
[17:12] <coder_> Minimal install installed on a usb stick
[17:12] <holstein> coder_: the mini iso i linked is *very* small.. like 30mb's.. its a nice easy way to get a base system and build up *exactly* what one needs
[17:13] <coder_> I mean after installation ;)
[17:13] <holstein> coder_: before.. after.. whenever you like
[17:13] <holstein> coder_: you add whatever you want "after* install..
[17:14] <coder_> yes I know ;)
[17:15] <coder_> However, there isn't 14.10 mini iso :(
[17:18] <holstein> coder_: i suggest 14.04.. but here is that http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/utopic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[17:18] <coder_> Why do you suggest 14.04?
[17:18] <holstein> or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/14.10/ if you need a different iso
[17:19] <holstein> !lts
[17:19] <holstein> 14.10 is supported for 9 months.. if i were creating a stick like that for "security", i would want the LTS
[17:20] <coder_> I know that
[17:20] <holstein> coder_: ok.. the, you know why i suggest 14.04 over 14.10.. choose what fits your needs best.. cheers!
[17:21] <coder_> Don't be so fast ;)
[17:22] <coder_> What is netboot iso?
[17:22] <holstein> coder_: ?
[17:22] <coder_> second link
[17:22] <holstein> coder_: the "netboot" is like the other netboot iso's.. you boot, and install what you want from the net, basically
[17:22] <coder_> oh yes :D
[17:22] <holstein> its a minimal iso, that gets a minimalr system running, so that one can install what one wants, from the net..
[17:23] <holstein> you can use this to benefit from either the smaller iso size, an install with fresh packages, or, as you are asking about, a custom install with specific packages different from the default
[17:23] <coder_> it it an official iso?
[17:24] <coder_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[17:24] <coder_> I mean, it's not listed there
[17:25] <holstein> coder_: there is not "official mini flavor".. its just the installer that is smaller.. and faciliates different functionality
[17:25] <holstein> coder_: you can see from the link, that its an official ubuntu mirror hosting
[17:26] <coder_> Thanks
[17:27] <coder_> But what about drivers on usb installation and ethernet/wifi?
[17:28] <coder_> I've installed normal lubuntu there aren't problems with normal drivers however there are problems with ethernet that sometimes works ... sometimes not
[17:28] <coder_> That's quite strange because wifi works out of the box
[17:29] <coder_> eth generally doesn't
[17:32] <holstein> coder_: its *all* ubuntu
[17:32] <holstein> coder_: if the hardware supports the linux kernel that ubuntu is using, then, you have support with the kernel after the mini iso install
[17:33] <holstein> coder_: if you need firmware or drivers from the repos, then, you can install that.. you can, again, install whatever you need after install
[17:33] <coder_> But how can i get to know what to install
[17:33] <holstein> though, the pre-made, desktop-friendly flavor environments do facilitate a bit of ease...
[17:33] <holstein> coder_: you can ask..
[17:33] <holstein> coder_: so, you installed the mini iso, and its not supporting something? what?
[17:33] <coder_> Not mini iso
[17:34] <coder_> even normal iso
[17:34] <holstein> coder_: are you talking about wifi?
[17:34] <coder_> generally eth sometimes works
[17:34] <coder_> no, wifi works out of the box
[17:34] <holstein> coder_: you are not promised linux support from the creators of the hardware, so, sometimes, there are compromises
[17:35] <holstein> if the ethernet (wired internet) is working intermittently, i would check the physical connection, and wire..
[17:35] <coder_> I've got ifconfig -a log if that can help :D
[17:36] <holstein> coder_: help what?
[17:36] <coder_> Find what's wrong
[17:37] <holstein> coder_: friend.. whats wrong is, you are not sure whats wrong
[17:37] <holstein> coder_: i would, check the actual physical plug.. and change the cable..
[17:37] <holstein> you can check the forums against the chipset..
[17:38] <coder_> I'm sure that eth sometimes doesn't work and connects all the time
[17:38] <holstein> but, for me, if i have one device that, on a machine where i am promised support for a completely different operating system, and i choose to run another operating system, and *only* one thing is "odd"... i consider that an acceptable compromise
[17:39] <holstein> coder_: you can look at the chipset, and id be glad tohelp you search the forums.. though, i dont think driver support is the issue..
[17:39] <holstein> coder_: you can go upstream to #ubuntu since this is not related to lubuntu or lxde.. and you may find someone with your chipset there
[19:25] <iynque> If I create and encrypted ext4 volume, is it easy to change the password later, or am I stuck with what I choose when creating it?
[19:29] <testdr> iynque: if its luks - per cryptsetup - check:   man cryptsetup   and lookup the luksAddKey to add a new passphrase (RemoveKey is for delete of an old one - and never delete all keys!)
[19:30] <iynque> Okay, thanks. I'll read it.