[00:04] <jkhl> is it failing to detect my hd?
[00:30] <jkhl> seems not
[01:31] <holstein> jkhl: did you remove any proprietary drivers that were installed before?
[01:32] <holstein> my proceedure would be like this.. test with a live CD, and/or, a supported operating system, to see that the new graphics card is functional.. if it is, then, i move on to troubleshooting my install
[01:51] <jkhl> holstein: I didn't remove drivers, afaik nVidia cards are backwards compatible
[01:52] <jkhl> for some reason my live cd is not booting, even if i set every boot device to cd-rom
[01:52] <jkhl> it's still trying to boot from the hd
[01:52] <holstein> jkhl: i wouldnt expect to have a linux distro configured with a card, and remove that card, and replace it, and have the kernel pick it up
[01:52] <holstein> jkhl: i would purge the proprietary drivers, and start fresh..
[01:53] <holstein> jkhl: but, seeing the "new" card in a functional state would help. since, it may not be an issue of the operating system or config
[01:54] <jkhl> is a grub bootable cd sufficient?
[01:54] <holstein> in one personal case, i just put the old card back in, purged the drivers, and checked that i was booting stock open drivers.. replaced the card *then*, and started fresh on configuring
[01:55] <holstein> jkhl: "sufficient" is relative
[01:55] <holstein> jkhl: if you have *never* seen that card do anything, i know, i would want to see it do something before i spend too long with it
[01:55] <jkhl> sufficient to test the graphics card? sufficient to apply this solution: http://blog.leenix.co.uk/2012/07/evmsactivate-is-not-available-on-boot.html ?
[01:55] <jkhl> ok
[01:55] <jkhl> also, I tried putting the old card back in, same problem
[01:55] <holstein> in some cases, i'll load up whatever operating system the device is promises support for
[01:56] <holstein> jkhl: you could have knocked something else loose, then
[01:56] <jkhl> ok I'll double check all the connections
[01:56] <holstein> i mean, if scenario A was fine, and scenario B is not.. then, you revert to scenario A and its not again.. that seems suspicious
[01:56] <jkhl> but it seems to detect the hd, just not boot
[01:57] <jkhl> I should mention this booting problem has occurred since I received my computer back from a repair shop
[01:57] <jkhl> it wasn't occuring before that
[01:57] <holstein> jkhl: then, its hardware related..
[01:57] <holstein> jkhl: id almost bet on it.. but, testing will be all that will proved what is going on
[01:58] <jkhl> ata3.00: SATA link down (SStatus 0 Scontrol 300)
[01:58] <jkhl> ata3.01: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 Scontrol 300)
[01:58] <jkhl> ata3.00: link online but 1 devices miscalssified, trying
[01:58] <jkhl> ata3.00: reset failed (errno=-11), retrying in 35 secs
[01:59] <jkhl> I'll check all the connections
[01:59] <holstein> could be anything.. i mean, why did you take it in?
[01:59] <holstein> and what did who do?
[02:00] <jkhl> there was shimmering (waves) on the screen
[02:00] <jkhl> they just confirmed it was a problem with the gfx card
[02:00] <jkhl> so i replaced it
[02:00] <holstein> so, they didnt do anything, then?
[02:00] <jkhl> afaik, no
[02:01] <jkhl> they cleaned it
[02:01] <jkhl> just that, I'm told
[02:01] <holstein> how?
[02:01] <holstein> just air?
[02:01] <jkhl> presumably
[02:01] <holstein> i think you have entirely too many variables present
[02:02] <jkhl> it is an old computer, I'd be happy just to salvage the HD
[02:02] <holstein> i would, if its my machine, take the hardware out. check connections and wires.. put things back in slowly and test as i go
[02:02] <jkhl> ok
[02:02] <holstein> you can mount the hard drive in another machine..
[02:02] <holstein> *if* its not broken..
[02:02] <holstein> i agree the shimmery waves seems like graphics card
[02:02] <jkhl> and I can still get to the encrypted data?
[02:03] <jkhl> yeah the waves return when i put the old card in (even during booting)
[02:03] <jkhl> and they are not present with the new card in
[02:03] <holstein> jkhl: nothing about lubuntu/ubuntu/linux is going to prevent you from getting your encrypted data
[02:03] <holstein> your encryption process may prevent that
[02:04] <holstein> i would boot the old card, purge the driver, and start from scratch..
[02:04] <jkhl> ok, but it doesnt boot even with the old card
[02:04] <holstein> you can always just force vesa... with an xorg.conf, to test.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209
[02:04] <holstein> jkhl: im just following what i see
[02:04] <jkhl> and that alternative lubuntu ISO is not booting even with all boot devices set to CDROM, atm
[02:05] <jkhl> ok
[02:05] <holstein> jkhl: i would put the old card in, and repair whatever is preventing scenarioA from working
[02:05] <holstein> adding a new card in the mix wont be constructive at all
[02:05] <jkhl> ok
[02:05] <holstein> its like having engine trouble and putting new tires on
[02:05] <holstein> i mean, you may need new tires, but, its just not going to help you right now. and it actually just throws another variable in the mix
[02:06] <jkhl> true
[02:11] <jkhl> Mounting root file system: No volume groups found
[02:12] <jkhl> ata3.00: link online but 1 devices miscalssified, device detection might fail
[02:13] <jkhl> there is a little damage to the plastic of the SATA connection to the HD, i'll inspect the 'pins
[02:13] <jkhl> '
[02:13] <holstein> i would remove it from the equation,and get *something* booting on that hardware
[02:19] <jkhl> hmm
[02:19] <jkhl> ok
[02:21] <andy38> Hello all.. Need some advice on a cloud VM.. Ubuntu Server 12.10. AMP stack, running latest revision apache2 and PHP5.
[02:21] <andy38> It's regarding kernel panics.
[02:21] <andy38> PM me if u know?
[02:32] <andy38> Anyone - server support?
[02:41] <jkhl> CD ROM should show up in the IDE device list in the bios, right? well, it's not there
[02:42] <jkhl> so I guess that's failing to be detected, cos I checked the connections and they seem fine
[02:48] <jkhl> time to give up on this machine and get the HD out of there>
[02:48] <jkhl> ?
[02:59] <holstein> !server | andy38
[02:59] <ubottu> andy38: Ubuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments, including a server specific !kernel and no !GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current !LTS version is !Trusty (Trusty Tahr 14.04) - More info: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition - Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide - Support in #ubuntu-server
[02:59] <holstein> !12.10
[02:59] <ubottu> Ubuntu 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) was the 17th release of Ubuntu.  Support ended on May 16th, 2014. See !eol, !upgrade and http://ubottu.com/y/quantal
[02:59] <holstein> andy38: you should do 14.04
[03:09] <andy38> Yeah. It's a live server hosting 50+ domains.
[03:10] <holstein> andy38: "live" is not the concern
[03:10] <holstein> andy38: 12.10 is EOL
[03:10] <holstein> you'll want to go with a supported operating system
[03:10] <andy38> My main concern is actually the kernel.
[03:11] <holstein> it should be literally *all* of the system, that is older, and not patched
[03:11] <holstein> if you have it online, you want a supported version
[03:11] <andy38> Sure. All my others are on ubu14... This ones an old baby..been running without a crash for 3 years almost.
[03:12] <holstein> sure.. keep it running if you like.. you'll want to patch it yourself, and there is no support for it
[03:25] <jkhl> well i found one thing - the cd drive was not IDE-connected to the mobo, so that's sorted now
[03:26] <jkhl> going to try this now to fix the evms_activate is not available on boot error: http://blog.leenix.co.uk/2012/07/evmsactivate-is-not-available-on-boot.html
[03:27] <holstein> jkhl: how are you encrypting?
[03:38] <jkhl> not sure exactly, I chose to encrypt (the ubuntu partition? the home folder?) during the lubuntu installation (with ecryptfs, I think)
[03:39] <holstein> jkhl: if it were me, and that data were important, and not backedup where i can see it, right now, on another location.. then, i would be booting live with whatever would let me back that up
[03:44] <jkhl> ok
[03:53] <jkhl> another thing solved, the 'fail-safe
[03:54] <jkhl> another thing solved, the 'fail-safe defaults of the bios were setting the sata type to raid, instead of ide'
[06:20] <jkhl> x
[07:23] <_joey> couple of things have been buggin me since update : 1) two network applets in the pannel. One I want to remove. 2) Program start in the left corner has disappered
[08:41] <phillw> _joey: the two applets is a result of you following the work-around a bug, you simply need to reverse the steps you took.
[08:43] <phillw> _joey: http://www.webupd8.org/2014/04/fix-lubuntu-1404-network-manager.html (just delete it)
[08:59] <phillw> _joey: as for the 2nd issue, can you be more specific? "Run" should still be there.
[09:05] <_joey> 2) There was an applet in bottom left hand corner allowing to selct programs, preferences etc. It disappeared.
[09:06] <_joey> I hit keyboard short-cut ctrl-esc and it pops on the bottom-right corner
[09:06] <_joey> Panel has been screwed after update
[09:08] <_joey> Not sure what I have to delete for issue 1)
[09:09] <_joey> I was warned Lubuntu is a buggy distro. I am living with these stupid bugs
[09:09] <_joey> :(
[10:04] <phillw> _joey: you're not making a whole lot of sense... you're doing a good rant, which is acceptable to a degree, but lubuntu is not a buggy distro and if you climb off the cleiling and back to a chair, we can try and work out issues... Screaming "IT DOESN'T WORK" does not give us volunteers too much to go on.
[10:52] <_joey> I am not sure how else to describe the problem. I am not imagining it. There is a button on the left side of the panel. You click on it. You get a menu of programs, preference, accessories, system tools
[10:52] <_joey> this button has disappeared
[10:53] <_joey> after update
[10:53] <_joey> There was no rant from me about Lubuntu either.
[11:01] <hateball> _joey: Well, you can rightclick the panel and add it back
[11:02] <hateball> The name of the widget eludes me
[11:05] <Garbonzo> if you mean the menu widget, it's called "menu"
[11:06] <Garbonzo> appropriately enough
[15:21] <_joey> I can do many things on command line. I have no clue how to add menu widget. I can figure out but it's annoying to get something broken each time the system is upgraded
[15:21] <_joey> Buggy distro! - all I can say
[15:22] <_joey> I added and it appeared on the right instead of on the left
[15:23] <_joey> wtf!!!
[15:56] <holstein> !bug | _joey
[15:56] <ubottu> _joey: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.
[15:56] <holstein> when you "add" panel items, you can rearrange the location of them
[16:05] <fun> hey foks
[16:06] <fun> folks
[16:06] <fun> latest lubuntu image is 706mb
[16:06] <fun> but CDR is 702
[16:06] <fun> how come!
[16:06] <fun> :D
[16:06] <fun> some joke
[16:07] <holstein> fun: is your question, "how to install using a CD?"?
[16:07] <holstein> if so,you can use the mini iso..
[16:07] <holstein> !mini
[16:07] <ubottu> The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want.  The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[16:10] <fun> oki
[16:10] <fun> but why the normal cd packagage is 4 mb more
[16:10] <fun> hehe
[16:10] <_joey> « ubuntu-bug  <package> » ?
[16:11] <_joey> it should « ubuntu-bug  <package> »
[16:11] <_joey> Err! it should « ubuntu-bug  <Lubuntu> »
[16:11] <wxl> _joey: if you
[16:12] <wxl> re trying to point out the difference between lubuntu and ubuntu, may i remind you lubuntu *IS* ubuntu?
[16:12] <holstein> !contribute | fun
[16:12] <ubottu> fun: To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://community.ubuntu.com and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[16:12] <holstein> fun: you can get envolved in the package selection and development
[16:12] <fun> great :D
[16:21] <fun> redownloading
[16:21] <fun> it says 702 on the site
[16:21] <fun> should fit well
[16:21] <holstein> fun: you can boot USB
[16:22] <fun> no
[16:22] <fun> it does not work
[16:22] <fun> D620 bios goes mad
[16:22] <fun> hehe
[16:25] <holstein> fun: i use plop to boot usb with machines that dont boot uSB
[16:28] <fun> no
[16:28] <fun> I like simple
[16:29] <holstein> i find usb simpler.. since, i can re-use them
[16:31] <fun> true
[16:31] <fun> I had usb
[16:31] <fun> but it does not work on old ps
[16:31] <fun> what is plop?
[16:31] <fun> *pc
[16:31] <holstein> http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/
[16:37] <GITSaito> bonjour!
[16:38] <GITSaito> j ai un disque de stockage WD 2To que j ai formater recement. visible sur mon pc avec lubuntu, mais les medias present dessus ne sont pas visible sur monWDTV Live
[16:39] <GITSaito> je pense que c est dut au format de partition
[16:39] <GITSaito> sys de fichier linux - partition GUID
[16:40] <GITSaito> depuis  que je suis passe a ce format, je lis bien mieux mes videos haute definitions sur mon pc qui est une petite configuration sans HD
[16:41] <GITSaito> mais sur a la TV disque detecte mais pas les medias
[16:41] <GITSaito> donc ma question, est il possible de faire cohaboter 2 systeme de partions
[16:44] <fun> ok 14.04
[16:44] <fun> 706
[16:44] <fun> 14.10 702
[16:44] <fun> why LTS is 706
[16:44] <fun> lol
[16:44] <fun> o well
[16:46] <holstein> fun: i would use 14.04, since its lts.. you can boot the mini iso i linked if you want a smaller iso, and add lubuntu-desktop.. or you can use plop that i linked to boot a CD that allows you to choose a USB to boo
[16:46] <holstein> !fr | GITSaito
[16:46] <ubottu> GITSaito: Nous sommes desoles mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci.
[16:46] <holstein> though, i think you are asking about..
[16:46] <holstein> !dualboot | GITSaito
[16:46] <ubottu> GITSaito: Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows - Macs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[16:47] <GITSaito> >< sorry
[16:47] <GITSaito> so my question was
[16:47] <fun> too complex
[16:47] <fun> people want easy
[16:47] <fun> burn go
[16:47] <fun> I understand how it works but hey
[16:47] <fun> 14.10 works thats fine
[16:47] <GITSaito> can i get two kind of systeme file type on one drive ?
[16:48] <fun> imo 14.04 have to be repackaged
[16:48] <GITSaito> an external drive
[16:48] <fun> to fit on CD too
[16:48] <fun> link says CD
[16:48] <GITSaito> ubottu> thaanks
[16:52] <holstein> GITSaito: yes
[16:53] <holstein> fun: "easy" is relative
[16:53] <fun> holstein: yet when link says CD
[16:53] <fun> and it does not fit
[16:53] <fun> thats a major bug imo D:
[16:53] <fun> :)
[16:53] <fun> rest is greay
[16:53] <holstein> !bug | fun
[16:53] <ubottu> fun: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.
[16:53] <fun> great
[16:54] <holstein> fun: file, if you like.. you'll want a wishlist bug
[16:54] <holstein> fun: let me konw what text refers to "CD" and ill edit it
[16:54] <holstein> if i have access
[17:03] <coder_> I'm trying to install lubuntu to 4 GB usb pendrive. Is it possible to get rid of more apps, codecs and so on than
[17:03] <coder_> apt-get purge xpad abiword* gnumeric* audacious* mplayer* guvcview xfburn* simple-scan pidgin* sylpheed* transmission*
[17:04] <coder_> only?
[17:04] <holstein> !mini | coder_
[17:04] <ubottu> coder_: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want.  The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[17:04] <holstein> coder_: i wouldnt install *any* flavor.. just the minimal packages i can get away with
[17:05] <holstein> coder_: like, lxde instead of lubuntu-desktop..
[17:05] <holstein> if you already have lubuntu installed, remove what you like..
[17:05] <coder_> And can I ... survive with that pendrive? ;D
[17:05] <coder_> I mean 4 Gb
[17:06] <coder_> After removing && installing c::b, dropbox it results in 3.4 Gb
[17:06] <holstein> coder_: "survival" is relatvie
[17:06] <holstein> if you only have 4gb's, then thats your limit
[17:06] <holstein> its up to you how you utilize that space
[17:06] <holstein> these days, space is *so* cheap...
[17:07] <coder_> but I just want to use it at school because then I can be secure ;)
[17:07] <holstein> coder_: you can use it as you please, friend
[17:07] <coder_> I know ...
[17:07] <holstein> coder_: nothing you are talking about implies any  level of security
[17:07] <holstein> coder_: only a size restriction..
[17:08] <coder_> yes because, unfortunately, I can use only that pendrive
[17:08] <holstein> there are live iso's like "tails" that imply a level of security
[17:08] <holstein> coder_: you can use a larger one.. or several.. only you are aware of the limitations you have, and why
[17:10] <coder_> So I wonder how many place can take that minimal cd image out of the box ;)
[17:11] <holstein> coder_: how many places can take what?
[17:12] <coder_> Minimal install installed on a usb stick
[17:12] <holstein> coder_: the mini iso i linked is *very* small.. like 30mb's.. its a nice easy way to get a base system and build up *exactly* what one needs
[17:13] <coder_> I mean after installation ;)
[17:13] <holstein> coder_: before.. after.. whenever you like
[17:13] <holstein> coder_: you add whatever you want "after* install..
[17:14] <coder_> yes I know ;)
[17:15] <coder_> However, there isn't 14.10 mini iso :(
[17:18] <holstein> coder_: i suggest 14.04.. but here is that http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/utopic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[17:18] <coder_> Why do you suggest 14.04?
[17:18] <holstein> or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/14.10/ if you need a different iso
[17:19] <holstein> !lts
[17:19] <ubottu> LTS means Long Term Support. Until 12.04 LTS versions of Ubuntu were supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server; since 12.04 (Precise Pangolin) LTS versions will be supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !Trusty (Trusty Tahr 14.04)
[17:19] <holstein> 14.10 is supported for 9 months.. if i were creating a stick like that for "security", i would want the LTS
[17:20] <coder_> I know that
[17:20] <holstein> coder_: ok.. the, you know why i suggest 14.04 over 14.10.. choose what fits your needs best.. cheers!
[17:21] <coder_> Don't be so fast ;)
[17:22] <coder_> What is netboot iso?
[17:22] <holstein> coder_: ?
[17:22] <coder_> second link
[17:22] <holstein> coder_: the "netboot" is like the other netboot iso's.. you boot, and install what you want from the net, basically
[17:22] <coder_> oh yes :D
[17:22] <holstein> its a minimal iso, that gets a minimalr system running, so that one can install what one wants, from the net..
[17:23] <holstein> you can use this to benefit from either the smaller iso size, an install with fresh packages, or, as you are asking about, a custom install with specific packages different from the default
[17:23] <coder_> it it an official iso?
[17:24] <coder_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[17:24] <coder_> I mean, it's not listed there
[17:25] <holstein> coder_: there is not "official mini flavor".. its just the installer that is smaller.. and faciliates different functionality
[17:25] <holstein> coder_: you can see from the link, that its an official ubuntu mirror hosting
[17:26] <coder_> Thanks
[17:27] <coder_> But what about drivers on usb installation and ethernet/wifi?
[17:28] <coder_> I've installed normal lubuntu there aren't problems with normal drivers however there are problems with ethernet that sometimes works ... sometimes not
[17:28] <coder_> That's quite strange because wifi works out of the box
[17:29] <coder_> eth generally doesn't
[17:32] <holstein> coder_: its *all* ubuntu
[17:32] <holstein> coder_: if the hardware supports the linux kernel that ubuntu is using, then, you have support with the kernel after the mini iso install
[17:33] <holstein> coder_: if you need firmware or drivers from the repos, then, you can install that.. you can, again, install whatever you need after install
[17:33] <coder_> But how can i get to know what to install
[17:33] <holstein> though, the pre-made, desktop-friendly flavor environments do facilitate a bit of ease...
[17:33] <holstein> coder_: you can ask..
[17:33] <holstein> coder_: so, you installed the mini iso, and its not supporting something? what?
[17:33] <coder_> Not mini iso
[17:34] <coder_> even normal iso
[17:34] <holstein> coder_: are you talking about wifi?
[17:34] <coder_> generally eth sometimes works
[17:34] <coder_> no, wifi works out of the box
[17:34] <holstein> coder_: you are not promised linux support from the creators of the hardware, so, sometimes, there are compromises
[17:35] <holstein> if the ethernet (wired internet) is working intermittently, i would check the physical connection, and wire..
[17:35] <coder_> I've got ifconfig -a log if that can help :D
[17:36] <holstein> coder_: help what?
[17:36] <coder_> Find what's wrong
[17:37] <holstein> coder_: friend.. whats wrong is, you are not sure whats wrong
[17:37] <holstein> coder_: i would, check the actual physical plug.. and change the cable..
[17:37] <holstein> you can check the forums against the chipset..
[17:38] <coder_> I'm sure that eth sometimes doesn't work and connects all the time
[17:38] <holstein> but, for me, if i have one device that, on a machine where i am promised support for a completely different operating system, and i choose to run another operating system, and *only* one thing is "odd"... i consider that an acceptable compromise
[17:39] <holstein> coder_: you can look at the chipset, and id be glad tohelp you search the forums.. though, i dont think driver support is the issue..
[17:39] <holstein> coder_: you can go upstream to #ubuntu since this is not related to lubuntu or lxde.. and you may find someone with your chipset there
[19:25] <iynque> If I create and encrypted ext4 volume, is it easy to change the password later, or am I stuck with what I choose when creating it?
[19:29] <testdr> iynque: if its luks - per cryptsetup - check:   man cryptsetup   and lookup the luksAddKey to add a new passphrase (RemoveKey is for delete of an old one - and never delete all keys!)
[19:30] <iynque> Okay, thanks. I'll read it.
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