[08:39] <dholbach> good morning
[09:02] <dholbach> hey dpm
[09:03] <dholbach> it's the Ubuntu Community Appreciation Day
[09:03]  * dholbach goes and writes a blog entry
[09:05] <dpm> morning dholbach
[09:11]  * czajkowski appreciates you all 
[11:00] <dholbach> dpm, popey: I'm going to be offline for half an hour - I need to replace my laptop display - let's all cross fingers and hope that it's fine and back to normal afterwards again
[11:00] <popey> good luck!
[11:00] <dholbach> thanks :)
[11:00] <dpm> dholbach, good luck!
[11:00] <popey> cut the red wire
[11:00] <dholbach> haha
[11:01] <dholbach> it wasn't the display cable - I replaced that a week or two ago already
[11:01] <dholbach> then I ordered a new display which they sent to the wrong address, or the postman got confused
[11:01] <dholbach> now I hope that after 3-4 weeks of display weirdness I have a working laptop again :)
[11:24] <dholbach> success
[11:25] <popey> \o/
[11:25]  * popey adds "Hardware Engineer" to dholbach's skills matrix
[11:27] <dholbach> yeehaw :)
[11:27] <czajkowski> lol
[12:17]  * dholbach relocates, brb
[12:36] <popey> dholbach: https://plus.google.com/u/0/100659093975814540586/posts/b6aP9nUTRmT
[12:36] <popey> can you get rid of that?
[12:36] <popey> I am not a moderator of that team for some reason.
[12:37] <dholbach> I'm not quite sure how to do that
[12:38] <dholbach> all right, removed
[12:39] <dholbach> G+ admin interfaces are quite hard to use
[12:39] <popey> there's a moderator page
[12:39] <dholbach> yeah, I'm trying to see if I can add you
[12:39] <popey> in there you can go through approving/rejecting
[12:39] <popey> i dont think you can, maybe only jono can
[12:40] <dholbach> popey, ok found it
[12:40] <dholbach> popey, you should be a moderator now
[12:41] <popey> MUHAHAHAAHAHAAH!
[12:41] <popey> I mean, thanks.
[12:41] <dholbach> enjoy
[12:55] <mhall119> remember popey, with great power comes a great number of work items that nobody else wants to do
[19:51] <jcastro> mhall119, what are my options if my ubuntu touch device stopped showing up in `adb devices`?
[19:59] <jcastro> all the release notes seem to be for 13.10?
[20:04] <popey> jcastro: unplug, re-plug
[20:04] <popey> jcastro: system settings -> about phone, make sure developer mode is on
[20:07] <mhall119> jcastro: you need developer mode on (as popey said) and the device unlocked
[20:07] <jcastro> yep, checked all that
[20:07] <mhall119> did you unplug-replug?
[20:07] <popey> is the phone actually unlocked?
[20:07] <jcastro> yes, and reboot
[20:08] <jcastro> yes, it's  running ubuntu touch
[20:08] <popey> i.e. not at the pin lock screen?
[20:08] <popey> no, not that kind of unlocked
[20:08] <popey> get it to the dash
[20:08] <jcastro> oh, so unlock it then plug it back in?
[20:08] <popey> or leave plugged in
[20:08] <mhall119> or plug it in and then unlock it
[20:08] <popey> but unlock it, yes
[20:08] <popey> security yo
[20:08] <mhall119> basically, adb only works when we are confident that the owner is in posession of the device, so it needs to have a PIN (or passphrase) and they had to enter that to unlock it
[20:09] <jcastro> nope
[20:09] <jcastro> still blank
[20:09] <mhall119> have you tried a hammer?
[20:09] <popey> what version you running?
[20:09] <jcastro> 14.10 r243
[20:09] <mhall119> jcastro: does it open a Nautilus window and show you the MTP folders? (Documents, Music, etc)
[20:09] <jcastro> no, it doesn't
[20:09] <jcastro> nothing in dmesg either
[20:09] <popey> flip developer mode off then on again
[20:10] <mhall119> then it's not making a connection
[20:10] <popey> broken cable?
[20:10] <mhall119> try a different USB cable
[20:10] <popey> r243!?
[20:10] <jcastro> cable and port work fine, already tried that
[20:10] <popey> how did you manage that?
[20:10]  * popey is on 14.10 r137
[20:10] <mhall119> popey: I know, that's from like 2014-10
[20:10] <popey> which channel?
[20:10] <jcastro> I was running it all cycle
[20:10] <jcastro> and then one day it stopped updating
[20:11] <mhall119> jcastro: yeah, probably old devel channel, you should switch to RTM
[20:11] <popey> bet you're on trusty
[20:11] <jcastro> oh, it still shows up as utopic dev
[20:11] <jcastro> mhall119, how do I do that?
[20:11] <jcastro> I just want to run whatever the best one is
[20:11] <mhall119> ubuntu-device-flash -something something
[20:11] <mhall119> popey knows
[20:11] <popey> ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel-proposed
[20:11] <jcastro> from the device itself?
[20:11] <popey> no
[20:11] <popey> via usb
[20:11] <mhall119> no no, don't put him on proposed
[20:11] <popey> 20:11:27 < jcastro> I just want to run whatever the best one is
[20:12] <popey> proposed == best
[20:12] <popey> :þ
[20:12] <mhall119> no it's not
[20:12] <popey> lies
[20:12] <mhall119> proposed == newest
[20:12] <jcastro> well, if it can't find it on usb
[20:12] <popey> newest == best
[20:12] <jcastro> then I can't flash it
[20:12] <jcastro> anyway to do it from the device itself?
[20:12] <mhall119> yeah, you need to sort your USB connection first
[20:12] <popey> yeah, you can do it from the device
[20:12] <popey> in the terminal
[20:12] <popey> but I'd flip dev mode off/on first
[20:12] <mhall119> what a concept, eg?
[20:13] <popey> might be broken adb on your pc
[20:13] <jcastro> flipping does nothing
[20:13] <popey> kill adbd
[20:13] <popey> on pc
[20:13] <popey> then unplug/replug, run adb devices
[20:13] <mhall119> if it's not making an MTP connection, it's probably a physical problem, not adb
[20:13] <popey> also, usb cable
[20:13] <jcastro> if it's physical it's the phone, I've tested everything else
[20:13] <popey> it's not a "charging only" cable is it?
[20:13] <jcastro> no
[20:14] <mhall119> jcastro: have you tried juju deploy fix-my-phone?
[20:14] <popey> I have one of them, burned it
[20:14] <popey> so yeah, kill adbd first
[20:14] <popey> killall adb
[20:14] <popey> adb devices
[20:14] <jcastro> did that already, still blank
[20:14] <jcastro> is it easy to upgrade from the device?
[20:15] <popey> yeah, if you can type well
[20:15] <popey> system-image-cli -c ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09 -b 0
[20:15] <popey> do that in terminal
[20:16] <jcastro> !!!
[20:16] <jcastro> dude, I had a zombie adb process
[20:16] <popey> there we go
[20:16] <jcastro> so I had to -9
[20:16] <jcastro> not just normal kill
[20:16] <popey> happens
[20:16] <jcastro> ok
[20:16] <jcastro> now to rewipe it with the latest bling?
[20:16] <jcastro> I have to show it off at a talk tonight
[20:16] <popey> you dont have to wipe
[20:16] <jcastro> so nothing too crazy
[20:17] <popey> adb shell
[20:17] <popey> system-image-cli -c ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09 -b 0
[20:17] <popey> leave it alone...
[20:17] <jcastro> ack
[20:17] <popey> oh, might need sudo ☻
[20:18] <popey> you get more feedback if you use ubuntu-device-flash on your laptop though
[20:18] <popey> ubuntu-device-flash --channel=ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09
[20:18] <jcastro> well too late, heh
[20:19] <popey> nvm
[20:19] <jcastro> how long should I give it, 15min or so?
[20:19] <popey> it'll take a while
[20:19] <popey> adb shell in and you'll see ubuntu-download process
[20:19] <popey> meaning "yay"
[20:22] <jcastro> popey, is it a good idea to cancel it and do it from the laptop?
[20:22] <jcastro> it's atomic right? :)
[20:23] <popey> ya
[20:23] <popey> its fine
[20:23] <popey> you can always restart it if it hasn't rebooted into the update
[20:25] <jcastro> so was I on some old crufty devel release from like months ago?
[20:32] <jcastro> popey, do I answer yes or no for disabling recovery flash?
[20:38] <jcastro> popey, mhall119: holy crap, this is waaaaay better than what I was running before!
[20:38] <popey> hah
[20:38] <czajkowski> gah stupid web client messed up my reply
[20:41] <mhall119> jcastro: welcome to the future :)
[20:42] <jcastro> yeah then I ran into popey's RMS app
[20:42] <popey> :D
[20:48] <mhall119> what happened to the jono one? we need that back
[20:48] <jcastro> popey, your youtube app is <3
[20:49] <popey> heh
[20:49] <popey> put some music on your device
[20:49] <popey> if you haven't already
[20:49] <popey> make sure you have artwork too.
[20:50] <jcastro> no one's done spotify yet?
[20:50] <popey> yes, someone has
[20:50] <popey> but there's a platform issue with playing audio in the background
[20:50] <jcastro> oh
[20:51] <popey> the problem is because spotify has a binary blob for doing the streaming
[20:51] <jcastro> nod
[20:51] <ahayzen> popey, are they waiting for background playlists as well? or does the music get cut as soon as it minimises ?
[20:51] <popey> also, put a couple of trailers on your phone
[20:51] <jcastro> does the normal music app have that problem?
[20:51] <popey> ahayzen: no, its because of the blob
[20:51] <popey> no, jcastro
[20:51] <ahayzen> popey, ah
[20:52] <popey> jcastro: ahayzen is one of the music app devs :D
[20:52] <ahayzen> o/
[20:52] <popey> Community \m/
[20:52] <jcastro> rawk!
[20:52] <jcastro> ok I just need to find local music
[20:52] <jcastro> I'll dig into one of my backups
[20:52] <jcastro> I don't think I've kept local music around for years, heh
[20:52] <popey> yeah, a backup, right ☻
[20:52] <popey> internet backups
[20:52] <jcastro> no seriously, I no longer do local music
[20:53] <popey> me too
[20:53] <popey> I'm all over spotify
[20:53] <jcastro> oh cool, I can just drag and drop into this folder here
[20:53] <jcastro> bling bling
[20:53] <popey> interestingly two of the spotify developers hang out in the ubuntu touch channel ㋛
[20:58] <jcastro> man, music works awesome
[20:58] <jcastro> just copied stuff over, done
[20:58] <jcastro> hey so, if I put pink floyd in music, shouldn't searching for "floyd" in the main scope show results?
[20:59] <jcastro> oh I see, drag over one for the music scope
[21:01] <mhall119> jcastro: yeah, there is no "Home" scope in Unity 8 anymore
[21:01] <jcastro> ok, booted with my sim in it
[21:02] <jcastro> I am committed now!
[21:02] <mhall119> jcastro: want to see something slick though?
[21:03] <jcastro> show me </morpheus>
[21:03] <jcastro> man, the notifications are so slick now
[21:03] <mhall119> jcastro: from anywhere in the dash, swipe up from the bottom edge to enter the dash manager
[21:03] <mhall119> then use the search icon in the top-right corner and search for "Pink Floyd"
[21:04] <belkinsa> OMG.  Thank you, mhall119!
[21:04] <mhall119> belkinsa: not at all, it's well deserved
[21:05] <jcastro> ooh
[21:05] <belkinsa> You made my day.
[21:05] <mhall119> :)
[21:05] <jcastro> ok so is there no contacts scope?
[21:05] <jcastro> let's say I want to call jill
[21:06] <mhall119> belkinsa: I do want to get involved with Ubuntu Leadership team, but I've got to finish porting developer.ubuntu.com to Django :(
[21:06] <jcastro> this looks it up on like wikipedia, etc.
[21:06] <jcastro> not my phone
[21:06] <mhall119> jcastro: yeah, no contacts/people scope
[21:06] <mhall119> that was dropped a *long* time ago
[21:06] <jcastro> ok so how do you call/text someone?
[21:06] <belkinsa> mhall119, I think it will take time for the Leadership Team to get off the ground.  But I think with the help of the CC and the mentoring program, it may be seeon.
[21:06] <belkinsa> soon*
[21:06] <jcastro> drill down in the messaging or phone app?
[21:06] <mhall119> jcastro: use the dialer or messaging app
[21:07] <mhall119> jcastro: or look the person up in the address book app, and then choose to call or text them
[21:08] <mhall119> I wonder if we'll see the people scope agian, now that the API is improved and C++ scopes are fast
[21:10] <jcastro> yeah I tend to use the person as the top org unit
[21:10] <jcastro> and then choose msg or call
[21:10] <mhall119> jcastro: use the addressbook app then
[21:11] <jcastro> the google sync thing is pretty sweet
[21:15] <mhall119> yeah, that was a huge pain to get working, but now that it does it's awesome
[21:15] <mhall119> alarms too
[22:30] <jcastro> mhall119, one more thing
[22:30] <jcastro> the home circle activity thing still says no sources
[22:30] <jcastro> do I need to set it up?
[22:41] <mhall119> the what now?
[23:09] <ahayzen> mhall119, the infographic on the 'welcome screen'
[23:47] <popey> that may be a bug
[23:47] <popey> i filed one for it
[23:47] <popey> jcastro: no, you don't it should have music, texts, calls, etc, if no, it's a bug
[23:48] <popey> bug 1359022
[23:48] <ubot2> bug 1359022 in libusermetrics (Ubuntu) "Welcome screen on image #200 always states that there are no data sources available" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1359022