| desrt | RAOF: at the end of the day, if i don't agree with your power policy i can always for (;;) ; | 00:05 |
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| RAOF | desrt: But that won't spin up > 45W worth of GPU :P | 00:06 |
| desrt | also: unless you use proper access control at the kernel level, i can always ship my own nvidia driver blob and hit up the device node for myself | 00:06 |
| RAOF | Well, you can try. :) | 00:07 |
| RAOF | I think we *do* have proper access control, actually. | 00:08 |
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| mlankhorst | god morning | 05:59 |
| pitti | Good morning | 06:45 |
| * olli waves at pitti | 06:51 | |
| pitti | hey olli | 06:54 |
| didrocks | morning | 07:31 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks | 07:37 |
| pitti | didrocks: btw, if/when you plan to work on the enabled(preset) or similar things, you know src/test/test-install.c? with those unit tests this is much easier and faster to reproduce/iterate/fix | 07:38 |
| didrocks | pitti: oh nice, I'll work with that. Thanks to the pointer :) | 07:41 |
| pitti | didrocks: and it's rather important to have tests for this behaviour, too :) | 07:41 |
| didrocks | pitti: It would be good to have some other feedbacks anyway | 07:42 |
| didrocks | yeah :) | 07:42 |
| didrocks | pitti: so, for alternatives, I was thinking about using systemd alias rather than handling ourselves the symlinks | 08:00 |
| didrocks | that removes a little bit of internal systemd knowledge that we put in postinst | 08:00 |
| pitti | didrocks: not sure what you mean? | 08:01 |
| didrocks | pitti: here is an example for lightdm: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~didrocks/lightdm/systemd-alias/revision/2099 | 08:02 |
| pitti | didrocks: oh, for the display-manager; I thought for wants/ :) | 08:02 |
| didrocks | ah no, for the thing I was thinking yesterday evening :) | 08:03 |
| didrocks | so, how to treat alternatives, basically | 08:03 |
| pitti | didrocks: oh, I like that! | 08:03 |
| didrocks | the benefits is that it's compatible with existing ones, so we don't need to migrate everything in one shot :) | 08:03 |
| didrocks | if you +1, I'll propose patches to debian (and maybe upload right away in ubuntu?) | 08:04 |
| pitti | didrocks: but please note that e. g. systemctl reload won't work under upstart/sysv | 08:04 |
| didrocks | pitti: that's the thing I need to test, will it error out? | 08:05 |
| didrocks | (need to start a vm to test) | 08:05 |
| pitti | fairly sure | 08:05 |
| didrocks | let me have a try | 08:05 |
| didrocks | if so 2>/dev/null || true | 08:05 |
| pitti | didrocks: is-enabled/enable etc. also work without systemd, but this one might not -- so it at least needs to be guarded | 08:06 |
| pitti | didrocks: [ -d /run/systemd/system ] | 08:06 |
| didrocks | pitti: you prefer to guard that only call? like [ -d /run/systemd/system ] && systemctl daemon-reload | 08:07 |
| didrocks | yeah, it's failing | 08:08 |
| pitti | didrocks: I'm not 100% sure about is-enabled; if that works without systemd, use it; otherwise we need to check the file system directly as previously | 08:11 |
| didrocks | pitti: it does, just tested | 08:11 |
| didrocks | pitti: ok, so that would look like this in the end: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~didrocks/lightdm/systemd-alias/view/head:/debian/lightdm.postinst#L72 | 08:15 |
| pitti | didrocks: why do you need the daemon-reload at this point? you didn't change anything yet? | 08:17 |
| didrocks | pitti: we just dropped a new .service file from the package installation, no? | 08:18 |
| pitti | didrocks: oh, for this one | 08:18 |
| didrocks | and on upgrade, we added the alias | 08:18 |
| didrocks | yeah | 08:18 |
| didrocks | I was hoping that we would have some option like --force-unless-mask | 08:19 |
| pitti | didrocks: so please run this by Josselin Mouette | 08:19 |
| didrocks | but seems a little bit overkill :) | 08:19 |
| didrocks | ok, doing | 08:19 |
| pitti | didrocks: I worked with him on the sprint on that general scheme, and has a great understanding of that | 08:20 |
| pitti | didrocks: and we should hten have the same approach in gdm | 08:20 |
| didrocks | right :) | 08:20 |
| pitti | didrocks: so to be clear, this is no functional change, just simpler/fewer file system assumptions, right? | 08:20 |
| pitti | (on the way -- possibly -- to reducing symlinks in etc) | 08:20 |
| didrocks | pitti: exactly, it's the same mechanism as of today and the results in term of symlinks are the same | 08:21 |
| pitti | purrfect | 08:22 |
| didrocks | but we don't rely on internals | 08:22 |
| didrocks | so, hoping that if we can convince on clearer /etc… :) | 08:22 |
| pitti | even if not, using the official is-enabled/enable API is better anyway | 08:22 |
| didrocks | yeah | 08:23 |
| * willcooke -> sick. Ping if you need anything, but I'll be mostly not here | 08:38 | |
| didrocks | urgh, good luck willcooke :/ | 08:39 |
| willcooke | :) | 08:39 |
| Laney | yo | 09:02 |
| didrocks | hey Laney | 09:02 |
| LocutusOfBorg1 | morning desktoppers | 09:03 |
| didrocks | morning LocutusOfBorg1 | 09:03 |
| Laney | what's up | 09:03 |
| pitti | hey Laney | 09:37 |
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| pitti | didrocks: FYI, offline for ~ 2 h to reinstall my laptop; just got a replacement for the dying hard drive | 09:58 |
| didrocks | oh ok! ttyl | 09:59 |
| Laney | "I can reproduce this", such sweet words when said by an upstream ;-) | 10:05 |
| didrocks | Laney: heh, which ones in that case? :) | 10:20 |
| Laney | libv4l | 10:21 |
| didrocks | ok ;) | 10:22 |
| Laney | it's a crash in some asm inside libjpeg | 10:22 |
| Laney | yeah ... | 10:22 |
| Laney | http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/19/mozilla-partners-with-yahoo-which-will-become-the-default-search-engine-in-firefox-next-month/ | 10:24 |
| mlankhorst | so we will use microsoft? :P | 10:37 |
| chrisccoulson | mlankhorst, short answer - no ;) | 10:39 |
| larsu | long answer? | 10:40 |
| larsu | (which I presume is the more interesting one) | 10:40 |
| chrisccoulson | larsu, the same :) | 10:40 |
| larsu | haha :) | 10:41 |
| larsu | short answer: no. Long answer: nein | 10:42 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 10:45 |
| * didrocks remembers the buzz when we talked about switching to Yahoo on the netbook edition in 2010 | 10:45 | |
| didrocks | and all those hard words against us | 10:45 |
| didrocks | I think Mozilla won't have the same treatment "because" | 10:46 |
| ogra_ | well, they are at least clever enough to do everything at once ... their advertisement tiles one month, the default search engine next | 10:47 |
| ogra_ | we always waited til one issue settled to fire up the next :) | 10:48 |
| didrocks | indeed :) | 10:48 |
| larsu | didrocks: they're just changing providers, whereas it looked like we wanted to extract more money and are greedy | 10:49 |
| didrocks | larsu: well, they are doing that as their deal is closing, so they want to extract some money, which is understandable :) | 10:52 |
| larsu | didrocks: of course, but it doesn't seem like that to the public | 10:56 |
| larsu | at least that's the impression i get | 10:56 |
| larsu | or they just like mozilla better :P | 10:56 |
| ogra_ | nah, the public just freaks more out over scientist shirts than over apps ... the fashion moved on ;) | 10:58 |
| larsu | that freak-out was justified though | 10:59 |
| ogra_ | oh come on ... he wore a present his GF made for him on his big day ... | 10:59 |
| larsu | you mean its better that he and his girlfriend feel good than all the people he works with? | 11:00 |
| larsu | how about this: "my girlfriend once gave me a 'the people that make ubuntu are idiots' tshirt and I wore it to UDS - I don't know why the people there were offended" | 11:01 |
| ogra_ | well, seeing how petty the web got over the last ten years i slowly start not feeling bad that i'm a german anymore | 11:02 |
| ogra_ | he never claimed he didnt know why people are offended | 11:02 |
| ogra_ | and he aplologized ... | 11:02 |
| ogra_ | what i find horrible is that thw world got so humorless that he had to | 11:03 |
| didrocks | it's really true (and sad) that now, everything is a base of controverse | 11:08 |
| larsu | ogra_: ya, they certainly overreacted - just saying the sentiment was justified | 11:08 |
| larsu | didrocks: that's not true | 11:08 |
| didrocks | soon, we'll have everyone suited the same, with the same hair cut, in a very white room | 11:08 |
| ogra_ | overreaction might be *the* word describing this decade :) | 11:08 |
| didrocks | larsu: I'm not talking about that particular case, but seeing the number of meaningless "buzz" we are seeing… | 11:09 |
| didrocks | buzz on $random polemics | 11:09 |
| ogra_ | and i'm scared where that might go ... socially ... | 11:09 |
| didrocks | ogra_: completely agree | 11:09 |
| didrocks | the president has his tie knot never done right -> first world problem | 11:10 |
| didrocks | (and this really happened for months in France) | 11:11 |
| larsu | didrocks: obviously this is a different problem and I totally agree there | 11:13 |
| larsu | the press was talking about whether the 1st lady is allowed to have a tatoo in Germany for a while | 11:13 |
| larsu | ridiculous. | 11:13 |
| ogra_ | well, that just the press being the press ... | 11:14 |
| ogra_ | *that's | 11:14 |
| didrocks | the press wasn't like that before… | 11:15 |
| didrocks | or not that much | 11:15 |
| didrocks | and it's because the society asks for this | 11:15 |
| ogra_ | its a two edged thing ... it is to generate more money due to more sensationalism ... the society gets more numb ... you need more sensationalism ... etc etc | 11:16 |
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| achiang | didrocks: maybe no one cares about switching to yahoo because everyone who does care already switched to chrome ;) | 17:18 |
| didrocks | achiang: ahah, I'm sure this is not untrue :) | 17:18 |
| achiang | btw, i understand there is still some bug in unity/compiz 14.04.1 where resuming on multi-monitor setup results in lost window placements... | 17:20 |
| achiang | is that stuck in the sru queue somewhere? | 17:20 |
| didrocks | hum, I didn't hear about it, bregma? ^ | 17:23 |
| didrocks | or Trevinho? ^ | 17:23 |
| Trevinho | achiang: never heard of that... | 17:24 |
| Trevinho | achiang: get a crash also? | 17:24 |
| Laney | I have similar | 17:24 |
| achiang | no crash, it's just unity/compiz losing its mind | 17:24 |
| Trevinho | weird... and i *only*suspend... :o | 17:24 |
| bregma | achiang, I haven't heard of a problem on simple resume | 17:24 |
| Laney | if I turn one of my monitors off then it gets disabled as far as the system is concerned | 17:24 |
| achiang | bregma: it's one of my worst papercuts :( | 17:24 |
| Laney | this messes up the window placement | 17:24 |
| Laney | i.e. they all get put on one monitor | 17:25 |
| bregma | oh, unless it's the timing-related problem where a monitor does not come back online right away and Compiz thinks it's been removed | 17:25 |
| Trevinho | ah, well... that's because one monitor gets turned off, and thus it's what we have to do.. | 17:25 |
| Trevinho | it might be the case where you unplugged it | 17:25 |
| bregma | Trevinho, it shouldn't move the windows to a different workspace | 17:25 |
| achiang | in my case, chrome on laptop display (maximized) before suspend, will resume maximized on external monitor | 17:26 |
| Trevinho | mh ChrisTownsend did some work on that | 17:26 |
| bregma | which is what it does for me when I lose my monitor (damn that loose connection) | 17:26 |
| achiang | i also have workspaces turned on | 17:26 |
| achiang | and this is over vga, not anything fancy like displayport or hdmi | 17:26 |
| bregma | either way, there's no queued fix for that at the moemnt | 17:27 |
| achiang | how can i collect debug information? | 17:27 |
| achiang | to file a bug? | 17:27 |
| bregma | "ubuntu-bug compiz" should do the trick | 17:29 |
| achiang | ok | 17:29 |
| achiang | also, is there a way to restart a unity session from the command line? | 17:30 |
| achiang | i have another hard to reproduce on demand (but happens about 2x a week) where resume from suspend results in compiz and parts of unity (like unity-panel-service) going crazy | 17:30 |
| achiang | and no new windows can be opened | 17:31 |
| achiang | the only way i can recover is to reboot the entire machine | 17:31 |
| achiang | would be nice to just restart unity if possible | 17:31 |
| bregma | achiang, 'setsid unity >/dev/null 2>&1 &' should work | 17:35 |
| achiang | bregma: awesome, thanks | 17:36 |
| achiang | bregma: i can do that from VT1, and it'll restart on VT7? | 17:36 |
| bregma | you'd want to set DISPLAY=:0.0 | 17:36 |
| bregma | ideally you could just type 'restart unity7' from the command-line, but doing it from a VT means needing to set your DBUS_SESSION and UPSTART_SESSION_ID and that can get complicated | 17:38 |
| Trevinho | achiang: doing that from VT1 you'd also need dbus... | 17:38 |
| achiang | hm | 17:39 |
| Trevinho | ouch bregma preceded me :P | 17:39 |
| achiang | i mean, my goal in this scenario is to preserve my session, like all my open editor windows, etc. | 17:39 |
| Trevinho | achiang: but, if you've a terminal open in your session, once yuou load it you can restart from there | 17:39 |
| bregma | I guess I should write a quick script just for this purpose, except it would be tricky on a multi-seat system | 17:39 |
| achiang | Trevinho: ah, so if i have a terminal open in the session, i can just type that "setsid" command without worrying about anything else? | 17:40 |
| Trevinho | achiang: if you have a terminal, and you get a compiz crash... then you can go to vt1, launch "unity", and then go to vt7.... There launch "unity" again from the terminal | 17:41 |
| Trevinho | in this way it will load all the proper dbus and upstart env vars | 17:41 |
| Trevinho | (and many others :)) | 17:41 |
| bregma | eval "$(tr '\000' '\012' </proc/$(pidof compiz)/environ | grep DBUS_SESSION) $(tr '\000' '\012' </proc/$(pidof compiz)/environ | grep UPSTART_SESSION) restart unity7" | 17:42 |
| bregma | that should work | 17:42 |
| * bregma wishes he could get more obscure in public | 17:42 | |
| achiang | Trevinho: what if unity is still mostly running, but can't do interesting things like open new windows? | 17:42 |
| achiang | bregma: ok, run that from an open terminal in existing unity session, or run from VT1? | 17:42 |
| Trevinho | achiang: mh, that's a weird case | 17:43 |
| bregma | achiang, either one should work | 17:43 |
| achiang | Trevinho: well, i hit it about 1.5x per week | 17:43 |
| achiang | bregma: thx | 17:43 |
| achiang | seems exacerbated by running spotify desktop client + hipchat desktop client | 17:45 |
| * bregma wonders if rewriting that command in Perl could obfiuscate it more | 17:45 | |
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| * Laney goes away | 18:02 | |
| Laney | ttyl! | 18:02 |
| didrocks | see you guys | 18:05 |
| humbletoad | can someone help me with ssh? im having a hell of a time | 18:21 |
| humbletoad | im trying to delete my keys from my server, but it isn't letting me log into the thing now | 18:21 |
| mitya57 | humbletoad: this channel is for development, user support is on #ubuntu | 18:24 |
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