[02:26] <andy38> Anyone van julle (lol) offer advice on kernel panics on VM clouds?
[05:25] <bduk> Good morning everyone
[05:41] <Kilos> hi EvilDMP 
[05:41] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[05:42] <Kilos> hi bushtech charl inetpro Squirm nuvolari and other lurkers
[05:54] <Kilos> hi gremble 
[05:58] <gremble> Hey Kilos 
[06:32] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:36] <Kilos> hi Joe_knock 
[06:36] <Joe_knock> Hi
[07:01] <Squirm> morning
[07:08] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[07:36] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac 
[07:36] <TinuvaMac> morning
[08:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> TinuvaMac: they got our fibre running at 100M finally :)
[08:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> was apparently some issue with router config or a firmware upgrade somewhere or whatever
[08:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> dunno, not my dept. :)
[08:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> it's working that's all that matters
[08:15] <Kilos> yeah
[08:15] <Kilos> working is good
[08:17] <charl> good morning
[08:17] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:17]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[08:18] <Kilos> hi charl 
[08:18] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:18] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[08:21] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[08:21] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[08:21] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[08:22] <charl> hi Kilo, ThatGraemeGuy, TinuvaMac, Squirm 
[09:06] <TinuvaMac> ThatGraemeGuy: thats awesome =>
[09:21] <Kilos> wbb
[12:09] <Squirm> what a day
[12:22] <charl> ja...
[12:22] <charl> hi Squirm 
[12:22] <Kilos-> lovely day, everything is working
[12:23] <Kilos-> and 2 hour nap helped too
[12:24] <Kilos-> and clouds building up nicely to come storm tonight
[12:34] <Kilos> hahaha my fly, i did that today
[12:34] <Kilos> http://snyman.info/blog/2014/11/16/weekends
[12:37] <EvilDMP> Hello, I was speaking to to Joe_knock late last night, about http://python-namibia.org - you're all invited!
[12:37] <EvilDMP> hello Kilos 
[12:37] <EvilDMP> and as I said, I'm still hopeful of finding someone who will run an Ubuntu install party for us
[12:38] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:54] <Kilos> sorry about that major wind killed the power
[12:54] <Kilos> EvilDMP:  how many of you are there?
[12:54] <Kilos> namibia is far from here
[12:55] <Kilos> but im sure any online help you need from here will help you guys do your own install party
[12:56] <Kilos> inetpro: daar kom iets, weet nog nie wat nie, water of klippe
[12:56] <EvilDMP> Kilos: we are expecting 80 people at the even, 40 of whom are UNAM students who have been reserved places - many of these students do not have the ideal equipment for participating in tutorials and so on (i.e. elderly Windows laptops) - so getting them onto something sensible, even in VMs, will be very helpful
[12:57] <gremble> Last time I was at an install party I was there for Archlinux, no one wanted to have the party :P
[12:57] <gremble> But I don't think anyone ended up having a 'party' just the talks followed by everyone bouncing
[12:57] <EvilDMP> surely Archlinux users are far too serious to have parties anyway
[12:57] <Kilos> lol
[12:58] <gremble> I party every day
[12:58] <gremble> Wait that is a lie
[12:59] <Kilos> EvilDMP: when you say elderly laptops what kind of specs are we looking at?
[13:00] <Kilos> 2.5g and up cpu with 2g ram or more is fine for ubuntu
[13:00] <gremble> Can probably bring it down even more with xubuntu
[13:00] <EvilDMP> Kilos: I wish I knew; it may well be that some of them will need to install lighter versions such as xubuntu
[13:00] <Kilos> they are all at least dual core right?
[13:01] <EvilDMP> Kilos: no idea whatsoever - I've been waiting to be furnished with some information by our contacts at UNAM
[13:01] <gremble> Prepare for the worst, expect the best
[13:02] <gremble> Have some lubuntu/xubuntu iso's at the ready
[13:02] <EvilDMP> I'm in the UK, so relying on a lot of 2nd-hand information
[13:02] <Kilos> aha
[13:03] <EvilDMP> I would have liked to go a week early and spend some time there before the conference, but my employer has been quite generous agreeing to my being there, so I don't want to push my luck
[13:04] <Kilos> well im not expert at this but will give what ideas i can for the needs
[13:04] <Kilos> quite a few people to download the complete repos
[13:04] <gremble> When is it EvilDMP ?
[13:04] <Kilos> others to download the fifferent versions
[13:04] <EvilDMP> 2nd to5t february
[13:04] <EvilDMP> 5th
[13:05] <Kilos> oh lots of time then
[13:05] <Kilos> different
[13:05] <gremble> Kilos: If I recally correctly, the University of Namibia hosts ubuntu repos
[13:05] <Kilos> then thats great
[13:05] <EvilDMP> really? How can I find this out?
[13:05] <Kilos> then its just bring and plugin
[13:06] <gremble> EvilDMP: looking for a link now
[13:06] <Kilos> Maaz: google unam ubuntu host
[13:06] <Maaz> Kilos: "Configure local virtual hosts on Ubuntu 13.10 - Zeronte" http://zeronte.com/148/ :: "Pruebas de penetración para principiantes: 5 herramientas para ..." http://revista.seguridad.unam.mx/numero-18/pruebas-de-penetraci%C3%B3n-para-principiantes-5-herramientas-para-empezar :: "Galileo Intel Parte 1 | CROFI - UNAM" http://www.ingenieria.unam.mx/crofi/?p=1552
[13:06] <Maaz> :: "Software y hardware para la comunidad - TIC - dgtic - UNAM" http://www.tic.unam.mx/sof…
[13:06] <Kilos> grrr
[13:07] <EvilDMP> Kilos: Yes, it's hard to search for UNAM....
[13:07] <Kilos> might be in update manager other
[13:08] <gremble> My bad
[13:08] <gremble> It is Polytechnic of Namibia
[13:08] <gremble> http://download.polytechnic.edu.na/
[13:08] <gremble> That is a web interface of the ftp repos
[13:10] <EvilDMP> thanks
[13:11] <EvilDMP> Chris Glass had been planning to help set up mirrors at UNAM too, but now he can't come
[13:12] <gremble> UP had repos, but then they decided to take them down
[13:16] <Kilos> methinks it dont matter where the repos are as long as a few peeps can download them to externals for upgarading purposes after installs
[13:16] <Kilos> upgrading
[13:17] <gremble> The more the better
[13:17] <Kilos> so its all the flavours to be downloaded  and the repos
[13:18] <Kilos> then students can bring their own usb sticks to get the flavour of choice 
[13:18] <gremble> I don't think you need to download the repos
[13:19] <Kilos> might even be good to make a few 2g sticks with unetbootin
[13:19] <Kilos> it just makes it faster methinks gremble 
[13:19] <Kilos> pc to external quicker than internet
[13:20] <gremble> Ubuntu already comes with a lot of use out of the box, not necessarily a need for them to install all the things right there
[13:20] <gremble> The repo's are quite big, so downloading all of it would be some wasted space
[13:21] <gremble> This wind is going to blow us away
[13:22] <Kilos> 40g methinks
[13:22] <Kilos> wind calming some now
[13:22] <gremble> That is quite large, for something that would become obsolete quite quickly
[13:23] <Kilos> ya 
[13:23] <Kilos> thats why im sticking to lts
[13:23] <Kilos> only now elementaryos seems to only support for a year too
[13:23] <Kilos> ggrrrr
[13:25] <EvilDMP> We're still going to have to find someone who knows more about this stuff to lead the party, I'm certainly not in a position to do it effectively!
[13:27] <charl> hi EvilDMP 
[13:28] <EvilDMP> hello charl 
[13:29] <Kilos> EvilDMP: have you tried the lecturers at unam? maybe they have someone right there that can control and lead a large group like that
[13:30] <EvilDMP> They are our main contacts for this - but I get the sense that it's all very new to them too
[13:30] <Kilos> then you can just whisper in his ear what to do next
[13:30] <Kilos> hehe
[13:31] <Kilos> basically you need someone there with organization skill and leadership qualities then you can help with the techie stuff online
[13:32] <EvilDMP> Kilos: <dry laugh>
[13:32] <Kilos> installing ubuntu is so much easier than windows nowadays
[13:33] <EvilDMP> for example the thought of setting up a Linux VM on a Windows machine fills me with fear
[13:35] <Kilos> oh my
[13:36] <Kilos> are you usiny windows there now
[13:36] <Kilos> and mirc
[13:36] <Kilos> hehe
[13:39] <Kilos> so then its to get a few brave students to do it first and let then note what needs doing and then they can lead
[13:39] <Kilos> they are always welcome to come here for help
[13:40] <Kilos> the ubuntu live system explains things quite nicely, you install alongside windows
[13:41] <EvilDMP> Kilos: worse, I' use Debian/Ubuntu for servers only, Mac OS for the desktop and I've never used Windows
[13:48] <Kilos> lol thats good to know
[13:57] <Kilos> methinks a video with step by step instructions on how to install ubuntu alongside and with other options might be what them peeps need
[13:57] <gremble> Setting up a vm in windows is pretty easy
[13:57] <Kilos> isnt vm slower  installing alongside
[13:58] <Kilos> like virtualbox here is much slower than the main os
[13:58] <gremble> Yes it is
[13:58] <Kilos> so then its no good on older low spec machines
[13:59] <Kilos> better to install alongside
[14:01] <gremble> Better to install over
[14:02] <EvilDMP> definitely better to install over, but "Hello, welcome to the conference, we're going to wipe your computer" is a hard sell
[14:04] <gremble> Have them walk through a large magnetised door way. "Hello, I am afraid all of your electronic devices have been wiped clean"
[14:04] <Kilos> rofl
[14:04] <Kilos> clean install is good
[14:05] <Kilos> windows is usefull for using up bad areas in the beginning of drives though
[14:06] <gremble> Why not just leave the bad area's unpartitioned?
[14:07] <Kilos> ya i do that now but before installed windows to use it up
[14:07] <Kilos> partitioned but unused you mean
[15:11] <Kilos> hi z3r009 
[15:23] <z3r009> hey man.
[16:05] <Kilos> wb Joe_knock 
[16:05] <Joe_knock> Kilos: thanks
[16:05] <Joe_knock> hoegaanit?
[16:05] <Kilos> goed en jy dankie
[16:06] <Kilos> chatted to EvilDMP a bit
[16:06] <Joe_knock> eks goed. yeah, he wants someone to go to windhoek. 
[16:06] <Kilos> we need peeps like the fly and maia to give advice on release parties, ive never been to one
[16:06] <Joe_knock> tickets must be expensive I think
[16:07] <Kilos> i think R1500 or so
[16:07] <Kilos> will ask sis she goes once a year to her daughter near there somewhere
[16:08] <Joe_knock> 1500 is not bad. But then again it could add up to around 5000 for lodging as well
[16:08] <Kilos> 1500 or 5k i forget
[16:09] <Joe_knock> 5k (including room for 2-3 nights)
[16:09] <Kilos> they must supply accomodation in the res or something
[16:09] <Joe_knock> wouldn't a hotel room be a decent gesture?
[16:09] <Kilos> if they pay ya
[16:10] <Joe_knock> I wouldn't mind going, I can also burn a few disks (get rid of some disks I have)
[16:12] <Kilos> ya disks be good and a pockets full of 2g sticks
[16:12] <Kilos> one should try collect them seeing as they arent making them anymore
[16:12] <Kilos> work great as install sticks
[16:13] <Kilos> or even when there get them to bring their own sticks
[16:13] <Joe_knock> to burn the ISOs onto their disks? 
[16:14] <Kilos> then just format to mbr and unetbootin them
[16:14] <Joe_knock> I told EvilDMP that we can help them set it up remotely. I recall a Namib varsity having a mirror of the Ubuntu repo
[16:15] <Kilos> gremble: found this
[16:15] <Kilos> http://download.polytechnic.edu.na/
[16:15] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: the Polytechnic, it seems
[16:15] <EvilDMP> yus
[16:16] <Joe_knock> yep, I used to use it once upon a time, then it died
[16:16] <Kilos> you see you dont know at what level of competence they are
[16:16] <Kilos> so making binstall usb drives could take a while
[16:16] <Joe_knock> I find it strange that they dont have linux installed, especially if they're compsci students
[16:17] <EvilDMP> if we're able to get some more sponsorship, we might well be able to help pay at least some of the costs for an attendee to come here
[16:17] <Kilos> also vm on old lappies might not be a good idea
[16:17] <EvilDMP> but the whole thing's on a shoestring as you can imagine
[16:18] <Joe_knock> I think covering the cost of the flight is the main thing. staying in res is fine and maybe some chow/food will be nice :)
[16:18] <Kilos> hehe
[16:18] <EvilDMP> we're going to provide lunches and refreshments; evening meals *if we can* 
[16:19] <EvilDMP> oh marvellous, I've just discovered that I was about to deploy a site running on a SQLite database
[16:19] <EvilDMP> narrow escape
[16:21] <Joe_knock> EvilDMP: Are you a freelancer? Or rather, what work do you do?
[16:22] <EvilDMP> I work for http://divio.ch - I am a Django developer
[16:22] <Kilos> Joe_knock: sis says some specials if you book now for R1300 otherwise anything up to 5.8 k
[16:22] <EvilDMP> (Django is a Python-based web application framework)
[16:23] <EvilDMP> https://github.com/evildmp
[16:28] <Joe_knock> EvilDMP: I think I've come across your company before. You guys do remote working, yes?
[16:30] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: Divio are pretty well known in the Python/Django communities - most of my colleagues are based in Zürich, but there are a bunch in Kiev, one in the USA, and me
[16:30] <Joe_knock> Did you manage to get some of them out of Kiev?
[16:31] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: they seem pretty happy there!
[16:32] <Joe_knock> hmmm I'm tempted to apply now EvilDMP 
[16:32] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: they are a really nice company to work for
[16:32] <EvilDMP> what are your Python/Django skills like?
[16:33] <EvilDMP> I've been with them since July - before that I worked at Cardiff University School of Medicine
[16:34] <Joe_knock> EvilDMP: I consider myself a junior, but I think I'm growing (a lot) in terms of self-taught skill. Not too sure if they want to take on remote juniors though
[16:35] <EvilDMP> it can't hurt to get in touch
[16:35] <Joe_knock> true :'D
[17:21] <Kilos> wbb
[17:42] <Joe_knock> wb
[18:29] <Kilos> oh my 
[18:29] <Kilos> ty
[18:30] <Kilos> oh i added a drive
[18:30] <Kilos> forgot by now
[18:30] <Kilos> Joe_knock: ask maia or the fly what all you need to run a release party successfully
[18:30] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[18:31] <Kilos> i was just fitting sisters pc in its stand and doing all connections for her
[18:32] <Joe_knock> Kilos: I think we should rather find someone living in Namibia to do it. Getting a sponsor will be 'risking' it for the event.
[18:32] <Kilos> whew are there any ubuntu peeps there
[18:34] <Joe_knock> The event itself is for Python. Doesn't namib have a linux chapter?
[18:35] <Kilos> if they cover flight costs and supply accomodation and food then one only loses the time
[18:35] <Kilos> someone in between jobs maybe
[18:35] <Joe_knock> True, but it's a good experience to see Windhoek
[18:36] <superfly> ugh, Django
[18:38] <Kilos> hehe
[18:39] <Joe_knock> oom Kilos , million rand question. Women or Computers?
[18:40] <Kilos> can you expand on that?
[18:40] <Kilos> both is better
[18:40] <Kilos> one must keep in balance'
[18:40] <Joe_knock> :'D 
[18:40] <Kilos> hehe
[18:40] <Joe_knock> let's try it this way...
[18:41] <Joe_knock> you're on a beach, stranded, but have enough food and water. Now there is a fibre cable available, so you need to choose between either having a powerful server-like PC/mainframe or a woman that is 23 and never gets old :P
[18:42] <Kilos> hmm... 
[18:42] <Kilos> well
[18:42] <Kilos> you gotta sleep sometime and its nice to cuddle and le lepel
[18:43] <Kilos> and she can cook and catch fisk and other sea food while you on the pc
[18:43] <Kilos> so both is good
[18:45] <Kilos> id choose the pc then with that kind of connection you can arrange everything else and even build up a holiday resort
[18:45] <Joe_knock> lol
[18:45] <Joe_knock> tough choice ehh
[18:45] <Kilos> but 23 year old chicks nag a lot
[18:45] <Kilos> yeah
[18:46] <Joe_knock> lol, should I have said 23 year old who is only allowed the amount of words you speak in a day?
[18:46] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:48] <gremble> I am 23 and I don't even want to date a 23 y/o
[18:48] <gremble> >.>
[18:48] <Kilos> lol
[18:48] <gremble> They're ignorant, loud and obnoxious
[18:48] <Kilos> gremble: dont you know a varsity ubuntu person who wants to go do the nam release partry
[18:49] <Kilos> ubuntu peeps are normally a bit more grown up than other students
[18:49] <Kilos> maybe its the community spirit
[18:49] <gremble> I want to go. But I cannot afford a trip like that
[18:49] <gremble> :P
[18:50] <gremble> There isn't much of a linux community at UP (of which I am aware)
[18:50] <Kilos> so if they supply plane ticket and accommodation you would go?
[18:50] <gremble> Totally
[18:50] <Kilos> EvilDMP: ^^
[18:51] <EvilDMP> cool, thanks
[18:51] <EvilDMP> be warned, every bit of Python skill you have will be squeezed out and put into service for the conference
[18:52] <Kilos> is it a ubuntu release party?
[18:52] <gremble> Haha it is sort of a python thing too
[18:52] <Joe_knock> gremble: Did they remove the burnbox?
[18:52] <gremble> Yes Joe_knock 
[18:52] <gremble> quite a while ago
[18:52] <EvilDMP> I will fire off another round of enquiries to potential sponsors tomorrow, because we need more funding if we're going to pay for more folks' travel
[18:53] <Joe_knock> Nobody looked after it and those obnoxious comp sci lecturers werent even bothered to ask anyone
[18:53] <gremble> They said it was broken, but we petitioned them to give it to us to fix and they ignored us
[18:53] <gremble> I don't like the department
[18:53] <gremble> I was doing comp sci, switched over to math
[18:54] <Kilos> burnbox = freedom toaster?
[18:55] <gremble> Yup
[18:55] <gremble> If I understood correctly
[18:55] <gremble> Unless it is some kind of medival torture device that they had there in Joe_knock's time
[18:56] <Kilos> lol
[18:56] <Joe_knock> EvilDMP: Here is a list: Praekelt, Amazon, Oracle, 
[18:56] <Kilos> thats a shame though, i used it once
[18:56] <Joe_knock> gremble: ek is nie oud nie :O
[18:56] <Kilos> haha
[18:57] <gremble> Hahaha
[18:57] <Joe_knock> The only torture they had was COS110 and COS121
[18:57] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: wow, I almost understand Dutch and now I almost understand Afrikaans
[18:57] <EvilDMP> thanks for the list
[18:57] <gremble> 121 was actually very enlightening. I hated the subject while I had it, now it is fine
[18:57] <gremble> I can see that stuff making sense
[18:57] <Joe_knock> I can actually find a ton more companies, but I think it will be unethical to troll the mailing list for sponsors :/
[18:58] <EvilDMP> I've previously emailed Paelkelt
[18:59] <EvilDMP> no reply though
[19:02] <Joe_knock> Simon works there, did he tell you?
[19:06] <Kilos> EvilDMP: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-na/
[19:06] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: ha, no, I didn't know that, I shall redouble my efforts
[19:06] <EvilDMP> Kilos: thanks
[19:06] <Joe_knock> oom Kilos to the rescue!
[19:07] <Kilos> Maaz: google hopefully they have someone close by
[19:07] <Maaz> Kilos: "wiki Guide on How to Comfort Someone Who Lost a Loved One" http://www.wikihow.com/Comfort-Someone-Who-Lost-a-Loved-One :: "How to Comfort Someone When There is Nothing You Can Offer ..." http://www.wikihow.com/Comfort-Someone-When-There-is-Nothing-You-Can-Offer-Except-Solace :: "How do you tell someone they have bad breath? - Yahoo Answers"
[19:07] <Maaz> https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100629105848AAoTCyo :: "How To Talk To Sick People (Stop s…
[19:07] <Kilos> ai!
[19:07] <Joe_knock> :/
[19:08] <Kilos> i got mixed up from using another bot on my channel and them wanting to ask maaz something else
[19:08] <gremble> I think maaz is trying to tell us something
[19:08] <Kilos> hopefully they have someone close by was meant for the na community
[19:09] <Joe_knock> ;) ;)
[19:09] <Kilos> hehe
[19:09] <Kilos> im too old for this
[19:09] <Joe_knock> oom jy moet na meetup.com kyk vir "over 40 singles" :P
[19:09] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:10] <Kilos> no man im past the stage of looking for dates
[19:11] <Joe_knock> oom you're suppose to inspire us. gremble is amongst die mooi Pretoria meisies maar hy kyk nie vir hulle nie
[19:11] <Kilos> dan is hy dommer as ek want ek kyk nog
[19:11] <Joe_knock> lol
[19:11] <Joe_knock> :'D
[19:12] <Kilos> nothing nicer to look at that a beautiful chick
[19:12] <Kilos> unless its a super fast gaming pc
[19:16] <Kilos> wb charl 
[19:17] <charl> thanks Kilos 
[19:17] <charl> using weechat now
[19:17] <Kilos> haha
[19:17] <Kilos> im hooked on konversation
[19:18] <charl> yeah somebody finally made me upgrade from irssi
[19:18] <charl> irssi is not really under active development and we need something better
[19:19] <gremble> Look but don't touch 
[19:19] <Kilos> konversation xchat hexchat quassel
[19:22] <charl> Kilos: sounds like lyrics to salsa tequila
[19:22] <charl> just throw in random words and make a summer hit
[19:23] <Kilos> lol
[19:23] <Kilos> weechat aint bad
[19:23] <Kilos> hassle to use the curses thing to start it though
[19:24] <charl> curses thing? you just start it using the weechat command inside a terminal
[19:24] <charl> i run it inside tmux running on raspberry pi
[19:24] <Kilos> ya i think i used to have to use weechat=curses
[19:24] <Kilos> weechat-curses
[19:25] <Kilos> not so?
[19:25] <charl> true, in the older versions yes
[19:25] <charl> but i am using the latest 1.0.1
[19:25] <charl> hi gremble 
[19:25] <charl> i am very impressed this is a big step-up from irssi
[19:25] <Kilos> ah
[19:26] <gremble> Hey charl 
[19:32] <gremble> I am going to go pass out now
[19:32] <gremble> Cheers guys. Talk to you tomorrow
[19:34] <Kilos> sleep tight gremble 
[19:37] <Joe_knock> tc
[19:44] <Kilos> whats that mean Joe_knock ?
[19:45] <Kilos> bushtech: sus se pc is n sukses, werk soos n droom
[19:45] <Joe_knock> take care.
[19:45] <Joe_knock> vir gremble
[19:46] <Kilos> oh
[19:46] <Kilos> all these little things get me lost
[19:46] <Kilos> took a while to get used to wb
[19:47] <Joe_knock> iirc = if i recall correctly
[19:47] <Joe_knock> imo = in my opinion
[19:47] <Kilos> ya i asked about that a couple of times too hehe
[19:48] <Kilos> its remembering that takes a while
[19:48] <Kilos> my ram is very random
[19:48] <charl> lol
[19:49] <charl> so how is it this fine evening
[19:49] <Kilos> all good here , and there?
[19:49] <charl> good good
[19:57] <bushtech> Kilos,  wel done!
[19:57] <Kilos> ty horrible job though to do all that work then install xp
[19:57] <Kilos> hehe
[20:30] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight