[02:26] Anyone van julle (lol) offer advice on kernel panics on VM clouds? [05:25] Good morning everyone [05:41] hi EvilDMP [05:41] welcome to ubuntu-za [05:42] hi bushtech charl inetpro Squirm nuvolari and other lurkers [05:54] hi gremble [05:58] Hey Kilos [06:32] hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:35] mornings [06:36] hi Joe_knock [06:36] Hi [07:01] morning [07:08] morning superfly [07:36] hi TinuvaMac [07:36] morning [08:13] TinuvaMac: they got our fibre running at 100M finally :) [08:13] was apparently some issue with router config or a firmware upgrade somewhere or whatever [08:13] dunno, not my dept. :) [08:13] it's working that's all that matters [08:15] yeah [08:15] working is good [08:17] good morning [08:17] Maaz: coffee on [08:17] * Maaz puts the kettle on [08:18] hi charl [08:18] Maaz, coffee please [08:18] Kilos: Yessir [08:21] Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos! [08:21] Maaz, ty [08:21] You are welcome Kilos [08:22] hi Kilo, ThatGraemeGuy, TinuvaMac, Squirm [09:06] ThatGraemeGuy: thats awesome => [09:21] wbb === nlsthzn_ is now known as nlsthzn [12:09] what a day [12:22] ja... [12:22] hi Squirm [12:22] lovely day, everything is working [12:23] and 2 hour nap helped too [12:24] and clouds building up nicely to come storm tonight === Kilos- is now known as Kilos [12:34] hahaha my fly, i did that today [12:34] http://snyman.info/blog/2014/11/16/weekends [12:37] Hello, I was speaking to to Joe_knock late last night, about http://python-namibia.org - you're all invited! [12:37] hello Kilos [12:37] and as I said, I'm still hopeful of finding someone who will run an Ubuntu install party for us [12:38] hmm... [12:54] sorry about that major wind killed the power [12:54] EvilDMP: how many of you are there? [12:54] namibia is far from here [12:55] but im sure any online help you need from here will help you guys do your own install party [12:56] inetpro: daar kom iets, weet nog nie wat nie, water of klippe [12:56] Kilos: we are expecting 80 people at the even, 40 of whom are UNAM students who have been reserved places - many of these students do not have the ideal equipment for participating in tutorials and so on (i.e. elderly Windows laptops) - so getting them onto something sensible, even in VMs, will be very helpful [12:57] Last time I was at an install party I was there for Archlinux, no one wanted to have the party :P [12:57] But I don't think anyone ended up having a 'party' just the talks followed by everyone bouncing [12:57] surely Archlinux users are far too serious to have parties anyway [12:57] lol [12:58] I party every day [12:58] Wait that is a lie [12:59] EvilDMP: when you say elderly laptops what kind of specs are we looking at? [13:00] 2.5g and up cpu with 2g ram or more is fine for ubuntu [13:00] Can probably bring it down even more with xubuntu [13:00] Kilos: I wish I knew; it may well be that some of them will need to install lighter versions such as xubuntu [13:00] they are all at least dual core right? [13:01] Kilos: no idea whatsoever - I've been waiting to be furnished with some information by our contacts at UNAM [13:01] Prepare for the worst, expect the best [13:02] Have some lubuntu/xubuntu iso's at the ready [13:02] I'm in the UK, so relying on a lot of 2nd-hand information [13:02] aha [13:03] I would have liked to go a week early and spend some time there before the conference, but my employer has been quite generous agreeing to my being there, so I don't want to push my luck [13:04] well im not expert at this but will give what ideas i can for the needs [13:04] quite a few people to download the complete repos [13:04] When is it EvilDMP ? [13:04] others to download the fifferent versions [13:04] 2nd to5t february [13:04] 5th [13:05] oh lots of time then [13:05] different [13:05] Kilos: If I recally correctly, the University of Namibia hosts ubuntu repos [13:05] then thats great [13:05] really? How can I find this out? [13:05] then its just bring and plugin [13:06] EvilDMP: looking for a link now [13:06] Maaz: google unam ubuntu host [13:06] Kilos: "Configure local virtual hosts on Ubuntu 13.10 - Zeronte" http://zeronte.com/148/ :: "Pruebas de penetración para principiantes: 5 herramientas para ..." http://revista.seguridad.unam.mx/numero-18/pruebas-de-penetraci%C3%B3n-para-principiantes-5-herramientas-para-empezar :: "Galileo Intel Parte 1 | CROFI - UNAM" http://www.ingenieria.unam.mx/crofi/?p=1552 [13:06] :: "Software y hardware para la comunidad - TIC - dgtic - UNAM" http://www.tic.unam.mx/sof… [13:06] grrr [13:07] Kilos: Yes, it's hard to search for UNAM.... [13:07] might be in update manager other [13:08] My bad [13:08] It is Polytechnic of Namibia [13:08] http://download.polytechnic.edu.na/ [13:08] That is a web interface of the ftp repos [13:10] thanks [13:11] Chris Glass had been planning to help set up mirrors at UNAM too, but now he can't come [13:12] UP had repos, but then they decided to take them down [13:16] methinks it dont matter where the repos are as long as a few peeps can download them to externals for upgarading purposes after installs [13:16] upgrading [13:17] The more the better [13:17] so its all the flavours to be downloaded and the repos [13:18] then students can bring their own usb sticks to get the flavour of choice [13:18] I don't think you need to download the repos [13:19] might even be good to make a few 2g sticks with unetbootin [13:19] it just makes it faster methinks gremble [13:19] pc to external quicker than internet [13:20] Ubuntu already comes with a lot of use out of the box, not necessarily a need for them to install all the things right there [13:20] The repo's are quite big, so downloading all of it would be some wasted space [13:21] This wind is going to blow us away [13:22] 40g methinks [13:22] wind calming some now [13:22] That is quite large, for something that would become obsolete quite quickly [13:23] ya [13:23] thats why im sticking to lts [13:23] only now elementaryos seems to only support for a year too [13:23] ggrrrr [13:25] We're still going to have to find someone who knows more about this stuff to lead the party, I'm certainly not in a position to do it effectively! [13:27] hi EvilDMP [13:28] hello charl [13:29] EvilDMP: have you tried the lecturers at unam? maybe they have someone right there that can control and lead a large group like that [13:30] They are our main contacts for this - but I get the sense that it's all very new to them too [13:30] then you can just whisper in his ear what to do next [13:30] hehe [13:31] basically you need someone there with organization skill and leadership qualities then you can help with the techie stuff online [13:32] Kilos: [13:32] installing ubuntu is so much easier than windows nowadays [13:33] for example the thought of setting up a Linux VM on a Windows machine fills me with fear [13:35] oh my [13:36] are you usiny windows there now [13:36] and mirc [13:36] hehe [13:39] so then its to get a few brave students to do it first and let then note what needs doing and then they can lead [13:39] they are always welcome to come here for help [13:40] the ubuntu live system explains things quite nicely, you install alongside windows [13:41] Kilos: worse, I' use Debian/Ubuntu for servers only, Mac OS for the desktop and I've never used Windows [13:48] lol thats good to know [13:57] methinks a video with step by step instructions on how to install ubuntu alongside and with other options might be what them peeps need [13:57] Setting up a vm in windows is pretty easy [13:57] isnt vm slower installing alongside [13:58] like virtualbox here is much slower than the main os [13:58] Yes it is [13:58] so then its no good on older low spec machines [13:59] better to install alongside [14:01] Better to install over [14:02] definitely better to install over, but "Hello, welcome to the conference, we're going to wipe your computer" is a hard sell [14:04] Have them walk through a large magnetised door way. "Hello, I am afraid all of your electronic devices have been wiped clean" [14:04] rofl [14:04] clean install is good [14:05] windows is usefull for using up bad areas in the beginning of drives though [14:06] Why not just leave the bad area's unpartitioned? [14:07] ya i do that now but before installed windows to use it up [14:07] partitioned but unused you mean [15:11] hi z3r009 [15:23] hey man. [16:05] wb Joe_knock [16:05] Kilos: thanks [16:05] hoegaanit? [16:05] goed en jy dankie [16:06] chatted to EvilDMP a bit [16:06] eks goed. yeah, he wants someone to go to windhoek. [16:06] we need peeps like the fly and maia to give advice on release parties, ive never been to one [16:06] tickets must be expensive I think [16:07] i think R1500 or so [16:07] will ask sis she goes once a year to her daughter near there somewhere [16:08] 1500 is not bad. But then again it could add up to around 5000 for lodging as well [16:08] 1500 or 5k i forget [16:09] 5k (including room for 2-3 nights) [16:09] they must supply accomodation in the res or something [16:09] wouldn't a hotel room be a decent gesture? [16:09] if they pay ya [16:10] I wouldn't mind going, I can also burn a few disks (get rid of some disks I have) [16:12] ya disks be good and a pockets full of 2g sticks [16:12] one should try collect them seeing as they arent making them anymore [16:12] work great as install sticks [16:13] or even when there get them to bring their own sticks [16:13] to burn the ISOs onto their disks? [16:14] then just format to mbr and unetbootin them [16:14] I told EvilDMP that we can help them set it up remotely. I recall a Namib varsity having a mirror of the Ubuntu repo [16:15] gremble: found this [16:15] http://download.polytechnic.edu.na/ [16:15] Joe_knock: the Polytechnic, it seems [16:15] yus [16:16] yep, I used to use it once upon a time, then it died [16:16] you see you dont know at what level of competence they are [16:16] so making binstall usb drives could take a while [16:16] I find it strange that they dont have linux installed, especially if they're compsci students [16:17] if we're able to get some more sponsorship, we might well be able to help pay at least some of the costs for an attendee to come here [16:17] also vm on old lappies might not be a good idea [16:17] but the whole thing's on a shoestring as you can imagine [16:18] I think covering the cost of the flight is the main thing. staying in res is fine and maybe some chow/food will be nice :) [16:18] hehe [16:18] we're going to provide lunches and refreshments; evening meals *if we can* [16:19] oh marvellous, I've just discovered that I was about to deploy a site running on a SQLite database [16:19] narrow escape [16:21] EvilDMP: Are you a freelancer? Or rather, what work do you do? [16:22] I work for http://divio.ch - I am a Django developer [16:22] Joe_knock: sis says some specials if you book now for R1300 otherwise anything up to 5.8 k [16:22] (Django is a Python-based web application framework) [16:23] https://github.com/evildmp [16:28] EvilDMP: I think I've come across your company before. You guys do remote working, yes? [16:30] Joe_knock: Divio are pretty well known in the Python/Django communities - most of my colleagues are based in Zürich, but there are a bunch in Kiev, one in the USA, and me [16:30] Did you manage to get some of them out of Kiev? [16:31] Joe_knock: they seem pretty happy there! [16:32] hmmm I'm tempted to apply now EvilDMP [16:32] Joe_knock: they are a really nice company to work for [16:32] what are your Python/Django skills like? [16:33] I've been with them since July - before that I worked at Cardiff University School of Medicine [16:34] EvilDMP: I consider myself a junior, but I think I'm growing (a lot) in terms of self-taught skill. Not too sure if they want to take on remote juniors though [16:35] it can't hurt to get in touch [16:35] true :'D [17:21] wbb [17:42] wb [18:29] oh my [18:29] ty [18:30] oh i added a drive [18:30] forgot by now [18:30] Joe_knock: ask maia or the fly what all you need to run a release party successfully [18:30] ohi superfly [18:31] i was just fitting sisters pc in its stand and doing all connections for her [18:32] Kilos: I think we should rather find someone living in Namibia to do it. Getting a sponsor will be 'risking' it for the event. [18:32] whew are there any ubuntu peeps there [18:34] The event itself is for Python. Doesn't namib have a linux chapter? [18:35] if they cover flight costs and supply accomodation and food then one only loses the time [18:35] someone in between jobs maybe [18:35] True, but it's a good experience to see Windhoek [18:36] ugh, Django [18:38] hehe [18:39] oom Kilos , million rand question. Women or Computers? [18:40] can you expand on that? [18:40] both is better [18:40] one must keep in balance' [18:40] :'D [18:40] hehe [18:40] let's try it this way... [18:41] you're on a beach, stranded, but have enough food and water. Now there is a fibre cable available, so you need to choose between either having a powerful server-like PC/mainframe or a woman that is 23 and never gets old :P [18:42] hmm... [18:42] well [18:42] you gotta sleep sometime and its nice to cuddle and le lepel [18:43] and she can cook and catch fisk and other sea food while you on the pc [18:43] so both is good [18:45] id choose the pc then with that kind of connection you can arrange everything else and even build up a holiday resort [18:45] lol [18:45] tough choice ehh [18:45] but 23 year old chicks nag a lot [18:45] yeah [18:46] lol, should I have said 23 year old who is only allowed the amount of words you speak in a day? [18:46] hahaha [18:48] I am 23 and I don't even want to date a 23 y/o [18:48] >.> [18:48] lol [18:48] They're ignorant, loud and obnoxious [18:48] gremble: dont you know a varsity ubuntu person who wants to go do the nam release partry [18:49] ubuntu peeps are normally a bit more grown up than other students [18:49] maybe its the community spirit [18:49] I want to go. But I cannot afford a trip like that [18:49] :P [18:50] There isn't much of a linux community at UP (of which I am aware) [18:50] so if they supply plane ticket and accommodation you would go? [18:50] Totally [18:50] EvilDMP: ^^ [18:51] cool, thanks [18:51] be warned, every bit of Python skill you have will be squeezed out and put into service for the conference [18:52] is it a ubuntu release party? [18:52] Haha it is sort of a python thing too [18:52] gremble: Did they remove the burnbox? [18:52] Yes Joe_knock [18:52] quite a while ago [18:52] I will fire off another round of enquiries to potential sponsors tomorrow, because we need more funding if we're going to pay for more folks' travel [18:53] Nobody looked after it and those obnoxious comp sci lecturers werent even bothered to ask anyone [18:53] They said it was broken, but we petitioned them to give it to us to fix and they ignored us [18:53] I don't like the department [18:53] I was doing comp sci, switched over to math [18:54] burnbox = freedom toaster? [18:55] Yup [18:55] If I understood correctly [18:55] Unless it is some kind of medival torture device that they had there in Joe_knock's time [18:56] lol [18:56] EvilDMP: Here is a list: Praekelt, Amazon, Oracle, [18:56] thats a shame though, i used it once [18:56] gremble: ek is nie oud nie :O [18:56] haha [18:57] Hahaha [18:57] The only torture they had was COS110 and COS121 [18:57] Joe_knock: wow, I almost understand Dutch and now I almost understand Afrikaans [18:57] thanks for the list [18:57] 121 was actually very enlightening. I hated the subject while I had it, now it is fine [18:57] I can see that stuff making sense [18:57] I can actually find a ton more companies, but I think it will be unethical to troll the mailing list for sponsors :/ [18:58] I've previously emailed Paelkelt [18:59] no reply though [19:02] Simon works there, did he tell you? [19:06] EvilDMP: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-na/ [19:06] Joe_knock: ha, no, I didn't know that, I shall redouble my efforts [19:06] Kilos: thanks [19:06] oom Kilos to the rescue! [19:07] Maaz: google hopefully they have someone close by [19:07] Kilos: "wiki Guide on How to Comfort Someone Who Lost a Loved One" http://www.wikihow.com/Comfort-Someone-Who-Lost-a-Loved-One :: "How to Comfort Someone When There is Nothing You Can Offer ..." http://www.wikihow.com/Comfort-Someone-When-There-is-Nothing-You-Can-Offer-Except-Solace :: "How do you tell someone they have bad breath? - Yahoo Answers" [19:07] https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100629105848AAoTCyo :: "How To Talk To Sick People (Stop s… [19:07] ai! [19:07] :/ [19:08] i got mixed up from using another bot on my channel and them wanting to ask maaz something else [19:08] I think maaz is trying to tell us something [19:08] hopefully they have someone close by was meant for the na community [19:09] ;) ;) [19:09] hehe [19:09] im too old for this [19:09] oom jy moet na meetup.com kyk vir "over 40 singles" :P [19:09] hahaha [19:10] no man im past the stage of looking for dates [19:11] oom you're suppose to inspire us. gremble is amongst die mooi Pretoria meisies maar hy kyk nie vir hulle nie [19:11] dan is hy dommer as ek want ek kyk nog [19:11] lol [19:11] :'D [19:12] nothing nicer to look at that a beautiful chick [19:12] unless its a super fast gaming pc [19:16] wb charl [19:17] thanks Kilos [19:17] using weechat now [19:17] haha [19:17] im hooked on konversation [19:18] yeah somebody finally made me upgrade from irssi [19:18] irssi is not really under active development and we need something better [19:19] Look but don't touch [19:19] konversation xchat hexchat quassel [19:22] Kilos: sounds like lyrics to salsa tequila [19:22] just throw in random words and make a summer hit [19:23] lol [19:23] weechat aint bad [19:23] hassle to use the curses thing to start it though [19:24] curses thing? you just start it using the weechat command inside a terminal [19:24] i run it inside tmux running on raspberry pi [19:24] ya i think i used to have to use weechat=curses [19:24] weechat-curses [19:25] not so? [19:25] true, in the older versions yes [19:25] but i am using the latest 1.0.1 [19:25] hi gremble [19:25] i am very impressed this is a big step-up from irssi [19:25] ah [19:26] Hey charl [19:32] I am going to go pass out now [19:32] Cheers guys. Talk to you tomorrow [19:34] sleep tight gremble [19:37] tc [19:44] whats that mean Joe_knock ? [19:45] bushtech: sus se pc is n sukses, werk soos n droom [19:45] take care. [19:45] vir gremble [19:46] oh [19:46] all these little things get me lost [19:46] took a while to get used to wb [19:47] iirc = if i recall correctly [19:47] imo = in my opinion [19:47] ya i asked about that a couple of times too hehe [19:48] its remembering that takes a while [19:48] my ram is very random [19:48] lol [19:49] so how is it this fine evening [19:49] all good here , and there? [19:49] good good [19:57] Kilos, wel done! [19:57] ty horrible job though to do all that work then install xp [19:57] hehe [20:30] night all. sleep tight