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axp_Hi !01:55
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didrocksmorning07:06
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seb128good morning desktopers, happy friday08:42
seb128mvo, hey, does https://code.launchpad.net/~feng-kylin/software-properties/fix-1306494/+merge/240081 look fine to you?08:42
didrocksmorning seb12808:43
seb128lut didrocks ;-)08:43
mvoseb128: let me check08:44
mvoseb128: totally08:44
seb128mvo, should I merge/upload it?08:44
mvoseb128: go for it08:44
mvothanks08:44
seb128mvo, thanks08:44
ari-tczewhello08:56
ari-tczewI've proposed a merge of simple-scan, would be nice to get it reviewed ;-) https://code.launchpad.net/~ari-tczew/simple-scan/ubuntu/+merge/24245908:57
didrockshey ari-tczew ;)08:59
ari-tczewhey didrocks08:59
didrocksI guess seb128 is piloting (not sure if he would prefer robert_ancell to review it next week though)08:59
didrocksari-tczew: I just looked quickly, I don't think we would to depend on adwaita-icon-theme,09:00
seb128yeah, that's robert_ancell's land09:00
didrocksanyway, simple-scan is in main, and adwaita-icon-theme in universe, so either way, either a MIR or depends back on gnome-icon-theme instead09:01
didrocks(I think we want the latest, we don't want to have some icons not matching the ubuntu theme installed by default)09:01
seb128mvo, could you also look at https://code.launchpad.net/~brunonova/software-properties/lp1381050/+merge/238873 and https://code.launchpad.net/~brunonova/software-properties/lp1383289/+merge/238890 ? they are small ones as well09:02
didrocksthe rest lgtm, but you should really poke robert09:02
ari-tczewdidrocks: You're right, adwaita-icon-theme is in universe and we should drop this one depend. I'll update branch ASAP.09:03
Laneyhullo thur huppy fruday09:04
didrockshey hey Mr Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaney! :)09:05
seb128hey Laney, happy friday!09:05
Laneywhat's up fool09:05
* Laney is a gangster now09:05
didrocksFriday \o/09:06
Laney\o/09:06
Laneyhey seb128, good day off?09:07
willcookemorning all, I'm still ill.  Going back to bed.  Will keep an eye on IRC/mail should anyone want me.09:08
seb128hey willcooke09:08
willcookelarsu, ^^^ can we skip our meeting?09:08
willcookehey seb12809:09
seb128got the flu?09:09
didrocksget some rest willcooke09:09
willcookeyeah think so.  Sore throat, cough, headache, etc09:09
seb128k, get better!09:09
willcookedidrocks, Laney - thanks for covering the meeting yesterday09:10
Laneynp, it was a blast!09:10
didrocksyw09:10
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mvoseb128: sure, having a look now09:19
mvowillcooke: get well!09:19
seb128mvo, danke09:19
darkxstdidrocks, I am pretty sure there are some new icons in adwaita-icon-theme needed for 3.1409:21
darkxstso either those need to be copied across to gnome-icon-theme, or adwaita-icon-theme needs an MIR (with merge of packaging split like gnome-icon-theme)09:22
larsuwillcooke: of course. Get better!09:23
didrocksdarkxst: yeah, that's maybe a good point. Not related to simple-scan though as we already have 3.14 here09:23
tjaaltondid some fonts change in utopic.. I get either blank space or utf code boxes instead of text in some cases in firefox & thunderbird09:24
tjaaltonand when pasted on a terminal I see the text09:24
darkxstdidrocks, no not related to simple scan, but possibly needed when gtk 3.14 lands09:25
didrocksagreed09:27
tjaaltongnome-font-viewer crashes09:28
tjaaltonhm, I can only change the font size, not the font itself.. something is most def broken09:37
seb128tjaalton, I had issues like that but that looked like xorg stack issues09:41
seb128e.g restarting the session makes them go away09:41
Laneyooh09:44
Laneya new and exciting dpkg failure09:44
Laney"cycle found while processing triggers"09:44
tjaaltonseb128: gnome stack, but ok09:45
tjaaltonno help here09:53
mvoseb128: do you want me merge/upload the software-properties stuff or shall I do it?09:58
seb128mvo, as you wish, I'm fine doing the merge/test/upload if you approve the mps, but it you want to do that feel free as well ;-)09:59
mvoseb128: ok, let me do it then10:00
seb128mvo, danke10:01
willcookehey mzanetti10:18
mzanettihey willcooke10:18
mzanettiso, seb128, soon we're getting the preliminary desktop thing in unity8 landed10:18
seb128mzanetti, \o/10:19
mzanettiand for now we'd require a gsettings override to activate it (until he have some sort of convergence rule thingie)10:19
mzanettiwhat would you suggest where to put that?10:19
Laneyubuntu-settings10:20
mzanettithat's not installed on phone/tablet right?10:20
Laneyno there is -touch-settings for that10:20
Laney(check seeded-in-ubuntu ubuntu-settings)10:21
larsuhi Laney!10:22
Laneywhat up larsu10:22
larsusencha vanilla10:22
larsuit's awesome, who'd have thought10:22
Laneyenglish breakfast \m/ >_< \m/10:22
larsuof course :P10:23
larsuhow are you?10:23
seb128mzanetti, you want to know where to install the gsettings key?10:23
mzanettiseb128: I'm currently searching launchpad for it, got lost in some Infinity OS Settings project :D10:24
mzanettiseb128: so yeah, please tell me :)10:24
seb128mzanetti, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas I guess10:25
seb128Laney, ubuntu(-touch)-settings is about defaults iirc?10:26
seb128it doesn't have a schemas10:26
Laneyhe asked for somewhere to put an override10:26
seb128no he didn't10:26
seb128oh10:26
seb128or I misread10:26
seb128mzanetti, is the key in e.g the unity8 schemas and you just want to override the value?10:26
mzanettiseb128: ah wait, we have a key in unity8, given it's temporary for sure (convergence will work different)10:26
seb128or do you look at where to define the key?10:27
seb128oh ok10:27
seb128so what Laney said10:27
seb128https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-settings10:27
Laneyapt-get source ubuntu-settings, look in debian/...override, should be obvious what to do but shout if not10:27
mzanettiexactly, we just want to automatically enable the windowed mode if you run it from unity8-desktop-session-mir somehow10:27
seb128that's not going to work for your case I think though10:27
larsumzanetti: how will convergence work?10:29
* larsu hates temporary solutions10:29
LaneyI think effectively everyone will have it installed, but you could otherwise have a new file in the session package which does this10:29
seb128Laney, mzanetti, the issue is that desktop next has both ubuntu-settings and ubuntu-touch-settings installed10:31
seb128so either we need to put an higher priority override in desktop10:31
Laneywhy's that an issue?10:31
Laneythere will be one override10:31
seb128it makes the behaviour a bit randomp10:31
Laneydon't understand10:31
mzanettiseb128: I guess we're fine as long as the override is NOT installed on phone/tablet10:32
mzanettilarsu: thsi should explain why we won't have a config value in the end: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/presentation/d/1K1oV4vMc-FduKUNYYO62zPUCU5WMb74zjer8KzYzhLg/edit#slide=id.p10:32
seb128Laney, I don't feel confident that we are not going to get ubuntu-settings installed on some tablet sort of installs at some point10:32
seb128it feels hackish to depends on what packages are installed10:32
seb128but at the same time having defaults for touch and non touch seems hackish as well10:33
seb128so maybe it's ok as a temporary thing10:33
seb128it would feel more robust if the session job was setting it10:34
larsuwon't we get different defaults depending on XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP?10:34
mzanettiseb128: yeah, I tend to agree10:34
larsucould use the same mechanism for this10:34
seb128larsu, the day we have that we can use them yes10:34
seb128larsu, but we don't atm iirc10:34
larsuseb128: I know... I reviewed desrt's patch again but he didn't reply yet (vacation and all)10:34
larsuseb128: I'll annoy him about it again10:35
seb128getting there :-)10:35
seb128thanks10:35
Laneyyou can override it in the desktop session package if you want, I don't think it really matters for some hack10:35
Laneylooking at $DESKTOP_SESSION would feel nicer to me10:35
larsuwhere's the difference between the two?10:36
larsudesktop_session and xdg_current_desktop10:36
LaneyDESKTOP_SESSION is just the name of the .session file10:36
Laneyit works now :-)10:36
mzanettican we have gsettings overrides at login based on such a env var?10:37
mzanettiI'm asking for that because we'd like to be able to switch it at runtime10:37
larsuLaney: oh right. Ya, this should have been finished a long time ago, but desrt and I shaved a yak...10:37
mzanettiatm you can change the dconf key and it'll transform on the fly between the tablet looks and the desktop mode10:37
larsumzanetti: yes, that's the plan10:38
mzanetticool10:39
darkxstmzanetti, its not possible to do per-session gsettings overrides, so they need to be done in code10:46
darkxstit would certainly be useful though upstream don't seem to interested in the idea10:49
mzanettihmm10:54
mzanettiso how are we going to proceed with this?10:57
darkxstmzanetti, you need to write code to check the env var10:59
larsudarkxst: we just talked about this, we want to add being being able to change defaults based on XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP10:59
darkxstlarsu, that is not possible with gsettings overrides11:00
Laneymzanetti: ubuntu-settings or a new override in the unity8-desktop-sesion11:00
larsudarkxst: yes, this is why we want to add it...11:00
darkxstlarsu, add it to glib?11:01
larsudarkxst: yes, where else?11:01
darkxstbug 122205311:03
ubot5bug 1222053 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "per-session gsettings overrides" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122205311:03
larsudarkxst: not sure why you linked to the bug?11:05
darkxstlarsu, between comment #1 and #2 it may be possible to load overrides by setting GSETTINGS_SCHEMA_DIR11:08
LaneyPretty sure they have worked out how to do it upstream already, the aforementioned yak11:11
Laneydarkxst: I've got someone emailing me asking to update to evo 3.12.8 in gnome3-staging, you going to do that?11:11
darkxstLaney, for which series?11:13
Laneytrusty11:13
darkxstprobably not, we only plan to support gnome3 ppa for the LTS11:14
LaneyI guess ricotz (never here when you want him)11:14
larsudarkxst: not sure what the plan is, but probably not based on GSETTINGS_SCHEMA_DIRS11:15
larsudarkxst: (I'm more involved in the yak-shaving part than the gsettings part)11:15
* Laney emailed ricotz instead11:17
darkxstlarsu, that is how shell extensions get their schemas11:17
larsuya, I know11:18
darkxstand I haven't looked at this stuff in over a year, but seems it would probably be easy enough to do the same with overrides11:20
Laneylarsu: where are gnome module maintainers listed?11:33
larsuLaney: good question... don't know11:34
Laneyhmm okay11:34
darkxstLaney, in the doap file11:34
mitya57Laney: would you mind if I upload my webkit ppc64el patch? I am not able to test it myself, and I don't have enough time if I also want that patch in Jessie.12:17
Laneymitya57: Ah yeah, let's test that in the porter, shall we?12:18
LaneyRemind me of the bug #?12:18
mitya57debian #762670 has all needed information12:19
ubot5Debian bug 762670 in libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0 "libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0: crashes on ppc64el when building sphinx" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/76267012:19
LaneyYou should go bug #debian-admin about gettin an account :-)12:19
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mitya57Asked them.12:24
Laneybuild-deps installing12:25
* mitya57 hugs Laney12:25
Laneymitya57: the patch on the upstream report doesn't apply12:37
Laneyfedora one does though12:37
* Laney tries that12:37
mitya57Laney: oh yes, Fedora's one12:38
* Laney screams every time a program isn't installed12:40
Laney'kay, building, will get back to you in an hour or so12:41
Laneyppc64el is fast12:41
* mitya57 refuses to believe that webkit can build in just an hour12:46
Laneywe'll see about that!12:49
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seb128Laney, do you remember why you did bump the kernel version in your most recent commit on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/installation-guide/ubuntu ?13:31
seb128you wrote "Bump names for Utopic, including GNOME but not kernel"13:31
seb128so you deliberately left it out, was that because the version was not decided yet when you did that?13:31
Laneyseb128: no I don't remember but it's probably that13:33
seb128Laney, ok, thanks13:33
LaneyI don't know why I touched that13:33
Laneymaybe while patch piloting13:33
seb128that's what I'm doing :p13:34
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GunnarHjHi seb128!14:12
seb128hey GunnarHj14:12
GunnarHjseb128: I should have changed the status of that MP to "work in progress". Just did.14:12
seb128GunnarHj, thanks!14:13
GunnarHjseb128: But let me take this opportunity to ask you:14:13
GunnarHjseb128: There is a pending lightdm MP which proposes that /usr/sbin/lightdm-session is run under bash. That allows for a better solution. Would you have any objections to running Xsession under bash?14:14
seb128GunnarHj, no objection, I don't think the performance difference is going to be noticable and it seems more robust/easier code to maintain14:15
GunnarHjseb128: Ok, thanks, then I'll get back with a revised GDM MP as soon as pitti has reviewed the new lightdm MP.14:16
seb128ok, great14:16
Sweet5harkseb128: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/vivid/4.3.3/libreoffice-l10n_4.3.3-0ubuntu2_source.changes http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/vivid/4.3.3/libreoffice_4.3.3-0ubuntu2_source.changes <- ubuntu revision bumped to ubuntu2 for vivid ...14:16
seb128Sweet5hark, thanks14:17
seb128Sweet5hark, hey btw, happy friday ;-)14:17
Sweet5harkseb128: Its Friday? Lets get trolling!14:17
seb128Sweet5hark, seems like you missed the morning trolls? still have the afternoon to make up for it ;-)14:18
Sweet5harkseb128: now I know why you came back from vacation for this one day ;)14:18
seb128hehe14:19
seb128Sweet5hark, uploaded14:44
seb128on that note, time for some exercice before it gets dark out there14:44
* Laney shivers14:50
Laneycold up here14:50
* ogra_ wonders if Laney moved to the US 14:56
Laneymitya57: some link step is failing, blerg blergy blerg15:08
mitya57Laney: what error message? it may be just OOM15:09
Laneynone, but no OOM in dmesg15:09
Laneyprobably is something like that15:09
* Laney adds some linker flags15:10
LaneyIf this fails I'll nab a silo15:16
* Laney uploads nautilus 3.14 to desktop ppa15:23
Laneyah15:29
LaneyENOSPC15:29
mitya57If you upload it into a silo then I can add it to dependencies of my PPA and test Sphinx there.15:34
* mitya57 bbl15:34
LaneyI'm abusing people to clean up their home directories first15:34
Laneywhere "abuse" is "ask really nicely"15:35
ricotzLaney, hi, what will be the e-d-s version for the utopic upload? i assume 3.12.8-0ubuntu0.1??15:36
Laneyricotz: probably15:36
Laneyif you use ubuntu0~stuff you'll be okay15:37
ricotzok, trying to preserve the upgrade path15:37
ricotz3.12.8-0ubuntu0.1~trusty115:37
Laneythanks for working on it15:38
ricotz0ubuntu0~ is problematic for internal deps iirc15:38
Laneymitya57: you probably don't have a PPA that builds for ppc64el so I don't think you can test it there15:40
LaneyI can copy packages though15:40
axp_Hi to everyone... is here someone who maintains/develop Ubuntu Software Center ?15:51
Laneymitya57: okay ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-005 keep an eye on that15:55
didrocksaxp_: hey, mvo did in the past, however there is no such much maintenance nowdays as we'll transition with unity8 to the click store16:06
Sweet5harkseb128_: thanks16:14
seb128_Sweet5hark, yw!16:15
Sweet5harkas for "exercise before it gets dark" -- its so foggy here, one would run into trees even here ...16:15
Sweet5harks/here/in bright daylight/16:15
axp_didrocks: mvo: I found a "unclear" screen about a package16:17
axp_didrock: mvo: http://imgur.com/wWD5Akk16:22
seb128hum16:26
seb128mvo, having any issue with the software-properties changes/upload?16:26
Sweet5harkwillcooke: any update/feedback on bug 1389858 btw?16:26
ubot5bug 1389858 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Libreoffice calc 4.2.7-0ubuntu1 not updating references after sort" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138985816:27
Laneyricotz: do you have a vcs for gnome3-staging updates?16:32
Laneywant to merge nautilus into ubuntu-desktop16:32
seb128Laney, saw bug #1393252 ?16:34
ubot5bug 1393252 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "nautilus 3.14 update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139325216:34
Laneyseb128: nope!16:35
Laneygood stuff16:35
seb128now you did then ;-)16:35
Laneylooks to be the same16:35
mvoseb128: no, just busy, if it looks good to you, just upload16:39
seb128mvo, I didn't look at it since you said you would ;-)16:40
seb128no worry, there is no hurry16:40
seb128I just don't want it to fall through the cracks16:40
seb128I know how it is, friday, then on monday new week start with backlog and crazyness and nobody is going to have slot for that one anymore ;-)16:40
Laneyhmm, it has dialogs with headerbar16:44
seb128:-/16:49
mvoseb128: I merged it all, wrote a test16:50
seb128mvo, thanks!16:50
mvoseb128: I just upload a build that I need to wait on anyway16:51
mvoseb128: so let me finish it, sorry again16:51
Laneysword fight time?16:51
mvoLaney: sword?!?16:53
seb128mvo, no worry, thanks ;-)16:53
mvouploaded16:53
mvoLaney: is rock climbing not dangerous enough anymore?16:53
Laneymvo: https://xkcd.com/303/16:53
Laneyhowever, I'm now imagining a film scene16:54
Laneysword fight while climbing some awesome route16:54
Laneyto rescue the president dangling from the top16:54
mvoLaney: hahaha16:55
dednickcharles: hey. something seems to be off with the indicator-datetime translations16:56
dednickcharles: po files are all for old c code.16:57
seb128dednick, what serie? example?16:58
dednickseb128: lp:indicator-datetime. "./src/formatter-dekstop.cpp" has translatable strings but no translation entries exist in po files.17:00
seb128dednick, I don't see that17:03
seb128dednick, e.g https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/indicator-datetime/+pots/indicator-datetime/fr/10/+translate17:03
dednickhm. thats weird. why aren't they in the .po files?17:07
dednickin the source tree17:07
achiangwillcooke: feeling better today? :)17:10
willcookeachiang, :) not really17:10
willcookeshould be sleeping, but ya know how it is17:10
willcookeI'd end up on my laptop in bed anyway17:11
willcookeso this is probably better17:11
achiangheh17:11
willcookeso how's things going out there in the real world ;)17:11
achiangso i have this unity7 multi-monitor bug that seems trivially reproducible17:12
willcookeyeah, I read some of the backlog from yesterday17:12
willcookeits on bregma radar now I think?17:12
achiang14.04.1, turn on workspaces, use VGA for external display; then: open gnome-terminal on workspace in upper right on laptop screen. suspend machine. resume machine. gnome-terminal appears on external display17:13
achiangout here in the real world, it's fun to use ubuntu to actually build other things :)17:13
achiangexcept when i'm plagued by this paper cut on a daily basis ;)17:14
willcooke:)17:14
willcookeI hear ya17:14
achiangnot sure if it's on bregma's radar; to be fair, i haven't filed a bug report17:14
achiangbut it seems strange that i'm the only one with this issue17:15
willcookeyeah, I would have expected quite a lot of people to do that kind of thing17:15
willcooke(plug/unplug monitors etc)17:15
achiangin my particular case i'm not even unplugging anything17:15
Laneylarsu: construct-only properties and GtkBuilder, how do? you know?17:15
achiangthe vga cable stays plugged in during the suspend/resume17:16
willcookeoh, yeah, sorry17:16
bregmait's the same as plug/unplug because it takes so long in dog years for the monitor to be recognized17:16
seb128dednick, the po in the source are not used/updated17:16
seb128dednick, we export translations directly from launchpad to langpacks17:17
dednickseb128: should probably be deleted in that case. it's confusing.17:17
seb128dednick, we should maybe delete the old .po in the source to avoid confusio17:17
achiangbregma: but if that's the case, why would windows appear on the slow-recognized display?17:17
achiangyou'd think they'd appear on the fast-recognized one17:17
seb128dednick, yeah, talk to ted & charles about that I guess17:17
achiangbecause that's the one that exists upon resume17:17
dednicktedg: , charles: ^ :)17:17
bregmaachiang, I'm not saying it's not a bug, but it's related to physical monitor changes17:18
achiangbregma: hm... is there a way to dump out names of open windows and their coordinates into a text file?17:19
achiangbregma: that seems like a fair place to start filing a bug report17:19
tedgYeah, I think they should go.17:19
bregmaTrevinho, ^^17:19
tedgI think it'd make indicator-datetime build like 10ns faster as well! ;-)17:20
Trevinhoachiang: well, you can use a script using wnckprop17:20
Trevinhoachiang: or... you install libxpathselect and use the autopitlo interface to get them17:21
Trevinho(dbus interface)17:21
achianggroan17:21
achiangok, here is an existing bug report that describes another issue i have: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/38205617:24
ubot5Launchpad bug 382056 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Windows moved to wrong workspace after suspend/resume" [Low,New]17:24
seb128hum, my latency to ubuntu.com sites is not good for some days17:32
seb128is anybody else having similar issues?17:32
willcookeseb128, had problems getting to answers. earlier17:35
willcookesorry, ask.17:35
seb128Sweet5hark, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1342175 fixed with 3.3?17:41
ubot5Launchpad bug 1342175 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[upstream] Poor performance with find & replace with empty value on large data set" [Medium,In progress]17:41
seb128Sweet5hark, sorry, 4.3.3 I meant17:41
charlesdednick, +1 on what seb128 says, iiuc the .po files in the repo are leftovers from the tarball days17:53
charlesprobably does make sense to remove those old .po files to avoid confusion17:53
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Laneyright, happy weekend!18:05
Laneymitya57: it built there, give me a package to upload and I'll do it some time this weekend18:08
Laneybyeeeeeeeee18:08
dobeyanyone have any idea why nautilus would not be drawing the background and won't open new windows?18:17
didrocksand with this success (just a minor TODO for Monday \o/) /me waves good week-end18:19
dobeyguess i'll try to reboot and see if it fixes it18:21
ChrisTownsendachiang: You still around?  I'd like to discuss you "moving windows" issue.20:23
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