[01:55] Hi ! === thumper is now known as thumper-sushi-ru === thumper-sushi-ru is now known as thumper-sushirun === thumper-sushirun is now known as thumper [07:06] morning === mirco is now known as MacSlow [08:42] good morning desktopers, happy friday [08:42] mvo, hey, does https://code.launchpad.net/~feng-kylin/software-properties/fix-1306494/+merge/240081 look fine to you? [08:43] morning seb128 [08:43] lut didrocks ;-) [08:44] seb128: let me check [08:44] seb128: totally [08:44] mvo, should I merge/upload it? [08:44] seb128: go for it [08:44] thanks [08:44] mvo, thanks [08:56] hello [08:57] I've proposed a merge of simple-scan, would be nice to get it reviewed ;-) https://code.launchpad.net/~ari-tczew/simple-scan/ubuntu/+merge/242459 [08:59] hey ari-tczew ;) [08:59] hey didrocks [08:59] I guess seb128 is piloting (not sure if he would prefer robert_ancell to review it next week though) [09:00] ari-tczew: I just looked quickly, I don't think we would to depend on adwaita-icon-theme, [09:00] yeah, that's robert_ancell's land [09:01] anyway, simple-scan is in main, and adwaita-icon-theme in universe, so either way, either a MIR or depends back on gnome-icon-theme instead [09:01] (I think we want the latest, we don't want to have some icons not matching the ubuntu theme installed by default) [09:02] mvo, could you also look at https://code.launchpad.net/~brunonova/software-properties/lp1381050/+merge/238873 and https://code.launchpad.net/~brunonova/software-properties/lp1383289/+merge/238890 ? they are small ones as well [09:02] the rest lgtm, but you should really poke robert [09:03] didrocks: You're right, adwaita-icon-theme is in universe and we should drop this one depend. I'll update branch ASAP. [09:04] hullo thur huppy fruday [09:05] hey hey Mr Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaney! :) [09:05] hey Laney, happy friday! [09:05] what's up fool [09:05] * Laney is a gangster now [09:06] Friday \o/ [09:06] \o/ [09:07] hey seb128, good day off? [09:08] morning all, I'm still ill. Going back to bed. Will keep an eye on IRC/mail should anyone want me. [09:08] hey willcooke [09:08] larsu, ^^^ can we skip our meeting? [09:09] hey seb128 [09:09] got the flu? [09:09] get some rest willcooke [09:09] yeah think so. Sore throat, cough, headache, etc [09:09] k, get better! [09:10] didrocks, Laney - thanks for covering the meeting yesterday [09:10] np, it was a blast! [09:10] yw === duflu_ is now known as duflu [09:19] seb128: sure, having a look now [09:19] willcooke: get well! [09:19] mvo, danke [09:21] didrocks, I am pretty sure there are some new icons in adwaita-icon-theme needed for 3.14 [09:22] so either those need to be copied across to gnome-icon-theme, or adwaita-icon-theme needs an MIR (with merge of packaging split like gnome-icon-theme) [09:23] willcooke: of course. Get better! [09:23] darkxst: yeah, that's maybe a good point. Not related to simple-scan though as we already have 3.14 here [09:24] did some fonts change in utopic.. I get either blank space or utf code boxes instead of text in some cases in firefox & thunderbird [09:24] and when pasted on a terminal I see the text [09:25] didrocks, no not related to simple scan, but possibly needed when gtk 3.14 lands [09:27] agreed [09:28] gnome-font-viewer crashes [09:37] hm, I can only change the font size, not the font itself.. something is most def broken [09:41] tjaalton, I had issues like that but that looked like xorg stack issues [09:41] e.g restarting the session makes them go away [09:44] ooh [09:44] a new and exciting dpkg failure [09:44] "cycle found while processing triggers" [09:45] seb128: gnome stack, but ok [09:53] no help here [09:58] seb128: do you want me merge/upload the software-properties stuff or shall I do it? [09:59] mvo, as you wish, I'm fine doing the merge/test/upload if you approve the mps, but it you want to do that feel free as well ;-) [10:00] seb128: ok, let me do it then [10:01] mvo, danke [10:18] hey mzanetti [10:18] hey willcooke [10:18] so, seb128, soon we're getting the preliminary desktop thing in unity8 landed [10:19] mzanetti, \o/ [10:19] and for now we'd require a gsettings override to activate it (until he have some sort of convergence rule thingie) [10:19] what would you suggest where to put that? [10:20] ubuntu-settings [10:20] that's not installed on phone/tablet right? [10:20] no there is -touch-settings for that [10:21] (check seeded-in-ubuntu ubuntu-settings) [10:22] hi Laney! [10:22] what up larsu [10:22] sencha vanilla [10:22] it's awesome, who'd have thought [10:22] english breakfast \m/ >_< \m/ [10:23] of course :P [10:23] how are you? [10:23] mzanetti, you want to know where to install the gsettings key? [10:24] seb128: I'm currently searching launchpad for it, got lost in some Infinity OS Settings project :D [10:24] seb128: so yeah, please tell me :) [10:25] mzanetti, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas I guess [10:26] Laney, ubuntu(-touch)-settings is about defaults iirc? [10:26] it doesn't have a schemas [10:26] he asked for somewhere to put an override [10:26] no he didn't [10:26] oh [10:26] or I misread [10:26] mzanetti, is the key in e.g the unity8 schemas and you just want to override the value? [10:26] seb128: ah wait, we have a key in unity8, given it's temporary for sure (convergence will work different) [10:27] or do you look at where to define the key? [10:27] oh ok [10:27] so what Laney said [10:27] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-settings [10:27] apt-get source ubuntu-settings, look in debian/...override, should be obvious what to do but shout if not [10:27] exactly, we just want to automatically enable the windowed mode if you run it from unity8-desktop-session-mir somehow [10:27] that's not going to work for your case I think though [10:29] mzanetti: how will convergence work? [10:29] * larsu hates temporary solutions [10:29] I think effectively everyone will have it installed, but you could otherwise have a new file in the session package which does this [10:31] Laney, mzanetti, the issue is that desktop next has both ubuntu-settings and ubuntu-touch-settings installed [10:31] so either we need to put an higher priority override in desktop [10:31] why's that an issue? [10:31] there will be one override [10:31] it makes the behaviour a bit randomp [10:31] don't understand [10:32] seb128: I guess we're fine as long as the override is NOT installed on phone/tablet [10:32] larsu: thsi should explain why we won't have a config value in the end: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/presentation/d/1K1oV4vMc-FduKUNYYO62zPUCU5WMb74zjer8KzYzhLg/edit#slide=id.p [10:32] Laney, I don't feel confident that we are not going to get ubuntu-settings installed on some tablet sort of installs at some point [10:32] it feels hackish to depends on what packages are installed [10:33] but at the same time having defaults for touch and non touch seems hackish as well [10:33] so maybe it's ok as a temporary thing [10:34] it would feel more robust if the session job was setting it [10:34] won't we get different defaults depending on XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP? [10:34] seb128: yeah, I tend to agree [10:34] could use the same mechanism for this [10:34] larsu, the day we have that we can use them yes [10:34] larsu, but we don't atm iirc [10:34] seb128: I know... I reviewed desrt's patch again but he didn't reply yet (vacation and all) [10:35] seb128: I'll annoy him about it again [10:35] getting there :-) [10:35] thanks [10:35] you can override it in the desktop session package if you want, I don't think it really matters for some hack [10:35] looking at $DESKTOP_SESSION would feel nicer to me [10:36] where's the difference between the two? [10:36] desktop_session and xdg_current_desktop [10:36] DESKTOP_SESSION is just the name of the .session file [10:36] it works now :-) [10:37] can we have gsettings overrides at login based on such a env var? [10:37] I'm asking for that because we'd like to be able to switch it at runtime [10:37] Laney: oh right. Ya, this should have been finished a long time ago, but desrt and I shaved a yak... [10:37] atm you can change the dconf key and it'll transform on the fly between the tablet looks and the desktop mode [10:38] mzanetti: yes, that's the plan [10:39] cool [10:46] mzanetti, its not possible to do per-session gsettings overrides, so they need to be done in code [10:49] it would certainly be useful though upstream don't seem to interested in the idea [10:54] hmm [10:57] so how are we going to proceed with this? [10:59] mzanetti, you need to write code to check the env var [10:59] darkxst: we just talked about this, we want to add being being able to change defaults based on XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP [11:00] larsu, that is not possible with gsettings overrides [11:00] mzanetti: ubuntu-settings or a new override in the unity8-desktop-sesion [11:00] darkxst: yes, this is why we want to add it... [11:01] larsu, add it to glib? [11:01] darkxst: yes, where else? [11:03] bug 1222053 [11:03] bug 1222053 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "per-session gsettings overrides" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222053 [11:05] darkxst: not sure why you linked to the bug? [11:08] larsu, between comment #1 and #2 it may be possible to load overrides by setting GSETTINGS_SCHEMA_DIR [11:11] Pretty sure they have worked out how to do it upstream already, the aforementioned yak [11:11] darkxst: I've got someone emailing me asking to update to evo 3.12.8 in gnome3-staging, you going to do that? [11:13] Laney, for which series? [11:13] trusty [11:14] probably not, we only plan to support gnome3 ppa for the LTS [11:14] I guess ricotz (never here when you want him) [11:15] darkxst: not sure what the plan is, but probably not based on GSETTINGS_SCHEMA_DIRS [11:15] darkxst: (I'm more involved in the yak-shaving part than the gsettings part) [11:17] * Laney emailed ricotz instead [11:17] larsu, that is how shell extensions get their schemas [11:18] ya, I know [11:20] and I haven't looked at this stuff in over a year, but seems it would probably be easy enough to do the same with overrides [11:33] larsu: where are gnome module maintainers listed? [11:34] Laney: good question... don't know [11:34] hmm okay [11:34] Laney, in the doap file [12:17] Laney: would you mind if I upload my webkit ppc64el patch? I am not able to test it myself, and I don't have enough time if I also want that patch in Jessie. [12:18] mitya57: Ah yeah, let's test that in the porter, shall we? [12:18] Remind me of the bug #? [12:19] debian #762670 has all needed information [12:19] Debian bug 762670 in libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0 "libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0: crashes on ppc64el when building sphinx" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/762670 [12:19] You should go bug #debian-admin about gettin an account :-) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:24] Asked them. [12:25] build-deps installing [12:25] * mitya57 hugs Laney [12:37] mitya57: the patch on the upstream report doesn't apply [12:37] fedora one does though [12:37] * Laney tries that [12:38] Laney: oh yes, Fedora's one [12:40] * Laney screams every time a program isn't installed [12:41] 'kay, building, will get back to you in an hour or so [12:41] ppc64el is fast [12:46] * mitya57 refuses to believe that webkit can build in just an hour [12:49] we'll see about that! === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === jhodapp is now known as jhodapp|sick [13:31] Laney, do you remember why you did bump the kernel version in your most recent commit on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/installation-guide/ubuntu ? [13:31] you wrote "Bump names for Utopic, including GNOME but not kernel" [13:31] so you deliberately left it out, was that because the version was not decided yet when you did that? [13:33] seb128: no I don't remember but it's probably that [13:33] Laney, ok, thanks [13:33] I don't know why I touched that [13:33] maybe while patch piloting [13:34] that's what I'm doing :p === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:12] Hi seb128! [14:12] hey GunnarHj [14:12] seb128: I should have changed the status of that MP to "work in progress". Just did. [14:13] GunnarHj, thanks! [14:13] seb128: But let me take this opportunity to ask you: [14:14] seb128: There is a pending lightdm MP which proposes that /usr/sbin/lightdm-session is run under bash. That allows for a better solution. Would you have any objections to running Xsession under bash? [14:15] GunnarHj, no objection, I don't think the performance difference is going to be noticable and it seems more robust/easier code to maintain [14:16] seb128: Ok, thanks, then I'll get back with a revised GDM MP as soon as pitti has reviewed the new lightdm MP. [14:16] ok, great [14:16] seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/vivid/4.3.3/libreoffice-l10n_4.3.3-0ubuntu2_source.changes http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/vivid/4.3.3/libreoffice_4.3.3-0ubuntu2_source.changes <- ubuntu revision bumped to ubuntu2 for vivid ... [14:17] Sweet5hark, thanks [14:17] Sweet5hark, hey btw, happy friday ;-) [14:17] seb128: Its Friday? Lets get trolling! [14:18] Sweet5hark, seems like you missed the morning trolls? still have the afternoon to make up for it ;-) [14:18] seb128: now I know why you came back from vacation for this one day ;) [14:19] hehe [14:44] Sweet5hark, uploaded [14:44] on that note, time for some exercice before it gets dark out there [14:50] * Laney shivers [14:50] cold up here [14:56] * ogra_ wonders if Laney moved to the US [15:08] mitya57: some link step is failing, blerg blergy blerg [15:09] Laney: what error message? it may be just OOM [15:09] none, but no OOM in dmesg [15:09] probably is something like that [15:10] * Laney adds some linker flags [15:16] If this fails I'll nab a silo [15:23] * Laney uploads nautilus 3.14 to desktop ppa [15:29] ah [15:29] ENOSPC [15:34] If you upload it into a silo then I can add it to dependencies of my PPA and test Sphinx there. [15:34] * mitya57 bbl [15:34] I'm abusing people to clean up their home directories first [15:35] where "abuse" is "ask really nicely" [15:36] Laney, hi, what will be the e-d-s version for the utopic upload? i assume 3.12.8-0ubuntu0.1?? [15:36] ricotz: probably [15:37] if you use ubuntu0~stuff you'll be okay [15:37] ok, trying to preserve the upgrade path [15:37] 3.12.8-0ubuntu0.1~trusty1 [15:38] thanks for working on it [15:38] 0ubuntu0~ is problematic for internal deps iirc [15:40] mitya57: you probably don't have a PPA that builds for ppc64el so I don't think you can test it there [15:40] I can copy packages though [15:51] Hi to everyone... is here someone who maintains/develop Ubuntu Software Center ? [15:55] mitya57: okay ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-005 keep an eye on that [16:06] axp_: hey, mvo did in the past, however there is no such much maintenance nowdays as we'll transition with unity8 to the click store [16:14] seb128_: thanks [16:15] Sweet5hark, yw! [16:15] as for "exercise before it gets dark" -- its so foggy here, one would run into trees even here ... [16:15] s/here/in bright daylight/ [16:17] didrocks: mvo: I found a "unclear" screen about a package [16:22] didrock: mvo: http://imgur.com/wWD5Akk [16:26] hum [16:26] mvo, having any issue with the software-properties changes/upload? [16:26] willcooke: any update/feedback on bug 1389858 btw? [16:27] bug 1389858 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Libreoffice calc 4.2.7-0ubuntu1 not updating references after sort" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1389858 [16:32] ricotz: do you have a vcs for gnome3-staging updates? [16:32] want to merge nautilus into ubuntu-desktop [16:34] Laney, saw bug #1393252 ? [16:34] bug 1393252 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "nautilus 3.14 update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1393252 [16:35] seb128: nope! [16:35] good stuff [16:35] now you did then ;-) [16:35] looks to be the same [16:39] seb128: no, just busy, if it looks good to you, just upload [16:40] mvo, I didn't look at it since you said you would ;-) [16:40] no worry, there is no hurry [16:40] I just don't want it to fall through the cracks [16:40] I know how it is, friday, then on monday new week start with backlog and crazyness and nobody is going to have slot for that one anymore ;-) [16:44] hmm, it has dialogs with headerbar [16:49] :-/ [16:50] seb128: I merged it all, wrote a test [16:50] mvo, thanks! [16:51] seb128: I just upload a build that I need to wait on anyway [16:51] seb128: so let me finish it, sorry again [16:51] sword fight time? [16:53] Laney: sword?!? [16:53] mvo, no worry, thanks ;-) [16:53] uploaded [16:53] Laney: is rock climbing not dangerous enough anymore? [16:53] mvo: https://xkcd.com/303/ [16:54] however, I'm now imagining a film scene [16:54] sword fight while climbing some awesome route [16:54] to rescue the president dangling from the top [16:55] Laney: hahaha [16:56] charles: hey. something seems to be off with the indicator-datetime translations [16:57] charles: po files are all for old c code. [16:58] dednick, what serie? example? [17:00] seb128: lp:indicator-datetime. "./src/formatter-dekstop.cpp" has translatable strings but no translation entries exist in po files. [17:03] dednick, I don't see that [17:03] dednick, e.g https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/indicator-datetime/+pots/indicator-datetime/fr/10/+translate [17:07] hm. thats weird. why aren't they in the .po files? [17:07] in the source tree [17:10] willcooke: feeling better today? :) [17:10] achiang, :) not really [17:10] should be sleeping, but ya know how it is [17:11] I'd end up on my laptop in bed anyway [17:11] so this is probably better [17:11] heh [17:11] so how's things going out there in the real world ;) [17:12] so i have this unity7 multi-monitor bug that seems trivially reproducible [17:12] yeah, I read some of the backlog from yesterday [17:12] its on bregma radar now I think? [17:13] 14.04.1, turn on workspaces, use VGA for external display; then: open gnome-terminal on workspace in upper right on laptop screen. suspend machine. resume machine. gnome-terminal appears on external display [17:13] out here in the real world, it's fun to use ubuntu to actually build other things :) [17:14] except when i'm plagued by this paper cut on a daily basis ;) [17:14] :) [17:14] I hear ya [17:14] not sure if it's on bregma's radar; to be fair, i haven't filed a bug report [17:15] but it seems strange that i'm the only one with this issue [17:15] yeah, I would have expected quite a lot of people to do that kind of thing [17:15] (plug/unplug monitors etc) [17:15] in my particular case i'm not even unplugging anything [17:15] larsu: construct-only properties and GtkBuilder, how do? you know? [17:16] the vga cable stays plugged in during the suspend/resume [17:16] oh, yeah, sorry [17:16] it's the same as plug/unplug because it takes so long in dog years for the monitor to be recognized [17:16] dednick, the po in the source are not used/updated [17:17] dednick, we export translations directly from launchpad to langpacks [17:17] seb128: should probably be deleted in that case. it's confusing. [17:17] dednick, we should maybe delete the old .po in the source to avoid confusio [17:17] bregma: but if that's the case, why would windows appear on the slow-recognized display? [17:17] you'd think they'd appear on the fast-recognized one [17:17] dednick, yeah, talk to ted & charles about that I guess [17:17] because that's the one that exists upon resume [17:17] tedg: , charles: ^ :) [17:18] achiang, I'm not saying it's not a bug, but it's related to physical monitor changes [17:19] bregma: hm... is there a way to dump out names of open windows and their coordinates into a text file? [17:19] bregma: that seems like a fair place to start filing a bug report [17:19] Yeah, I think they should go. [17:19] Trevinho, ^^ [17:20] I think it'd make indicator-datetime build like 10ns faster as well! ;-) [17:20] achiang: well, you can use a script using wnckprop [17:21] achiang: or... you install libxpathselect and use the autopitlo interface to get them [17:21] (dbus interface) [17:21] groan [17:24] ok, here is an existing bug report that describes another issue i have: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/382056 [17:24] Launchpad bug 382056 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Windows moved to wrong workspace after suspend/resume" [Low,New] [17:32] hum, my latency to ubuntu.com sites is not good for some days [17:32] is anybody else having similar issues? [17:35] seb128, had problems getting to answers. earlier [17:35] sorry, ask. [17:41] Sweet5hark, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1342175 fixed with 3.3? [17:41] Launchpad bug 1342175 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[upstream] Poor performance with find & replace with empty value on large data set" [Medium,In progress] [17:41] Sweet5hark, sorry, 4.3.3 I meant [17:53] dednick, +1 on what seb128 says, iiuc the .po files in the repo are leftovers from the tarball days [17:53] probably does make sense to remove those old .po files to avoid confusion === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOW [18:05] right, happy weekend! [18:08] mitya57: it built there, give me a package to upload and I'll do it some time this weekend [18:08] byeeeeeeeee [18:17] anyone have any idea why nautilus would not be drawing the background and won't open new windows? [18:19] and with this success (just a minor TODO for Monday \o/) /me waves good week-end [18:21] guess i'll try to reboot and see if it fixes it [20:23] achiang: You still around? I'd like to discuss you "moving windows" issue. === alexabreu is now known as alex-abreu === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away