[15:57] <ikonia> hello Danishman
[15:57] <Danishman> hello
[15:57] <ikonia> how can the ubuntu operators team help you today ?
[16:04] <ikonia> ....ok
[16:16] <genii> Apparently their instincts told them to leave.
[17:29] <daftykins> Mendax could do with a +q or kick, confirmed troll.
[18:35] <k1l> [cholcobo[]] (~cholcobo]@50.23.115.91): cholcobo[]    = cholby?
[18:41] <k1l> yes, it was cholby.
[18:43] <k1l> seems like softlayer is cholbys favorite vpn hoster right now.
[19:56] <rww> favorite of a few other ban evaders elsewhere too
[20:30] <DJones> Erm, well, if thats the case and the host operators haven't responded to complaints, then ban the host and refer banned users to tehir provider
[20:32] <DJones> Obviously, this assumes that the the ircc have reported the multiple ban evaders to the host providers
[20:34] <k1l> i am not sure if they provide vpn/proxy/shell/vhosts very cheap or for testing or if some users on there runnning open proxies
[20:36] <DJones> If they're providing the host, they're responsible for their users, regardless of how they use the service
[20:37] <DJones> They have to take responsibility fo rwhat their users do
[20:39] <k1l> i agree on that. but in reality its "the user pays, so the user does"
[20:40] <rww> i see 5 or so users in #ubuntu with softlayer hostnames in the last fortnight that aren't abusive
[20:40] <rww> not counting cloaked users etc.
[20:40] <ikonia> these things normally have TOC, but the question is can you be bothered chasing it up and providing the 10 layers of logs/incidents/warnings etc thats required
[20:40] <ikonia> and then 9/10 nothing happens unless you really push and escalate cases
[20:41] <ikonia> or you can prove racist/homophic/$other_inflamitory content
[20:43] <DJones> No doubt about that, probably 90% of of hostname/cloak/tor etc users are regular people, folow guidelines etc, its just the 10% that cause issues, and providers aren't going to deal with their issues unless the 90% ofinnocent users are compling and affected
[20:43] <rww> i used to report to ISPs Way Back In The Day and never got anywhere at all. haven't bothered recently.
[20:44] <ikonia> I've had great results for ISP's/providers, but you've got be prepared to do it properly and/or chase/esclate
[20:44] <ikonia> escalate
[20:44] <rww> (i'd say significantly more than 90% of users of any given connection class are regular people, generally...)
[20:44] <ikonia> i'd hope so
[20:46] <DJones> rww: I think thats the issue, joe blogs complaining about fred smith to an ISP will get nowhere because the isp just files the complaint in box 13, they only act when the 90%+ of innocent (Paying customers) users complain to them
[20:46] <ikonia> DJones: I don't think that's true
[20:46] <ikonia> they will act, if you do it properly
[20:46] <ikonia> (I'm sure there are exceptions)
[20:47] <genii> I get pretty good response usually from the abuse contact in a whois. I used to rabidly go after the idiots attacking my home server machine this way.
[20:47] <DJones> ikonia: Yeah, I can remember reporting a user for child porn references, nothing happened by the ISP until I copies the police in on the complaint
[20:48] <ikonia> DJones: yeah, do it properly, even minor abuse and most tend to act
[20:48] <ikonia> and nor should it
[20:48] <ikonia> but fire and forget doesn't work
[20:48] <genii> Usually it's useful to include any relevant logs with timestamps that they can index to their own machines
[20:49] <ikonia> reading the TOS before reporting it, finding out where/how they break it
[20:50] <DJones> genii: Been there, done that including child porn references, was still ignored by a major UK ISP. they only acted after the police were informed as well
[21:29] <k1l> @mark #ubuntu pinkflu was cholby, too
[23:13]  * genii sips and stares at bazhang
[23:13] <valorie> oooo, staring contest?
[23:13] <k1l> or is he naked, again?
[23:13] <valorie> tailless at least....
[23:14] <genii> My method of pinging him ;)
[23:15] <bazhang> whats up genii
[23:16] <genii> bazhang: If you can read Mandarin I would really like if you could watch a video for me and then give a synopsis
[23:17]  * genii wafts the aroma of coffee around
[23:17] <bazhang> sure, whats the link
[23:17] <genii> bazhang: The factory is sending us these watch-gizmos but the ad to it isn't in English :(
[23:17] <genii> bazhang: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNzkwMDE3MTI4.html
[23:23]  * valorie sips the cold-brew coffee
[23:23] <k1l> genii: not loading here
[23:23]  * genii gets out the Costa Rican medium roast beans
[23:24] <bazhang> Bluetooth watch phone call intelligent wearable companion Smart Watch bracelet headphones
[23:25] <valorie> I have a blend from the local roaster here
[23:25] <valorie> oooo, all the trendy tags
[23:25] <genii> Hehe
[23:25] <bazhang> some kind of headphone for use with smartphones, uses bluetooth
[23:26] <genii> bazhang: Yes, runs some OS I never heard of before today called Nucleus RTOS
[23:26] <bazhang> nice
[23:27] <bazhang> probably a hacked blackberry OS that routes all calls through beijing
[23:27] <genii> bazhang: They are sending us 10 of them, probably arrive in a week or two. Wanted to try and figure aout as much about them as possible before they get here. But the English documentation is sorely lacking
[23:28]  * genii grinds up enough beans for a few mugs and fires up the French Press
[23:28] <bazhang> genii, that has a taobao pricing/auction page if you wish
[23:29] <bazhang> the video fonts / speed made it very hard to decipher, so I went there
[23:29] <genii> bazhang: Cool.
[23:30] <genii> bazhang: Looks like North American pricing should be something like $99-$125 but that might be a tad high
[23:30] <genii> ( for what the hardware is and what it does)
[23:30] <bazhang> taobao.com/item/40223301082.htm?fromSite=main
[23:31] <bazhang> 488 rmb / yuan
[23:32] <genii> bazhang: Yes, as I thought, less than $99   ( about $89.50 CAD)
[23:33]  * genii carefully pours bazhang a full mug of the Costa Rican medium blend and slides it over
[23:33] <bazhang> a bit of  markup, not surprising as their profit margins are wafer thin
[23:35] <genii> I'll PM you factory price :)
<---- very familiar
[23:46] <bazhang> vague, lots of breaks for phone calls, no real issues apparent
[23:47] <genii> "time suckers"
[23:47] <k1l> yep. the behaviour rings some bells
[23:47] <bazhang> vampyr
[23:48]  * valorie passes the garlic basket