[00:05] <daftykins> i don't even use this old ADSL2+ service but i found this amusing in the local paper today
[00:06] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0if1ft7dyhapj9t/IMG_20141120_201259.jpg?dl=0
[00:21] <diddledan> a whopping 256Kbit/s increase
[00:21] <diddledan> nice
[00:21] <daftykins> :D
[00:22] <daftykins> stingy amirite?
[00:22] <diddledan> they could have left the downstream at the fairly reasonable 16Mbit/s and dedicated the extra speed entirely on upstream capacity
[00:23] <daftykins> aaaaw yis
[00:23] <diddledan> which they would have done if they really did care about customers' upload speeds
[00:24] <daftykins> i think they really want everyone to move to the VDSL2 i'm on
[00:24] <diddledan> yip
[00:24] <daftykins> they've been pretty active on it, phoning everyone up O_O
[00:26] <diddledan> prolly has a better profit margin
[06:36] <map> hey all
[07:57] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:59] <diplo> Morning all
[09:15] <DJones> I could spend hours looking at this website http://www.scapaflowwrecks.com/ I don't think I'd ever heard the story behind it before
[09:17] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:18] <MooDoo> morning
[09:23] <bashrc> morning
[09:24] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo and bashrc
[09:32] <foobarry> guy behind me gets around 1500 emails overnight he needs to review briefly each one
[09:33] <zmoylan-pi> define brief :-)
[09:33] <foobarry> he clicks the mouse for each one. its surprisingly annoying
[09:33] <foobarry> the delete key would be quiter and quicker
[09:33] <zmoylan-pi> keyboard shortcuts ftw \o/
[09:34] <foobarry> its like an annoying clock that ticks 3x per second
[09:34] <awilkins> Bayesian classification 4tw
[09:34] <foobarry> some people deliberately choose jobs to slow their day down
[09:34] <zmoylan-pi> that wouldn't be a review
[09:34] <awilkins> Keystrokes on my keyboard would be annoying too though
[09:34] <zmoylan-pi> a lot of thinking can be done while performing mundane tasks
[09:34] <awilkins> I have a Model M
[09:34] <foobarry> potentially silent
[09:34] <awilkins> And a Cherry with clicky switches for "light duty"
[09:36] <popey> how has 1500 mails guy not been automated out of this job?
[09:36] <foobarry> i was suspicous of the "free" lego model from top cshback, but looks like they will come good
[09:36] <foobarry> popey: its just the first 30 mins of his morning
[09:37] <foobarry> i would automate it though
[09:37] <foobarry> some people choose not to make their day efficient or they would have to work harder in the saved tiem
[09:37] <foobarry> public sector mentality
[09:39] <bashrc> private sector mentality more like
[09:39] <bashrc> often it's just out of ignorance though
[09:40] <popey> I used to love writing scripts to automate myself out of the loop
[09:40] <foobarry> yeah
[09:40] <foobarry> more time to do fun stuff
[09:40] <popey> in fact at Canonical one guy has made it his job to automate me out of work ☻
[09:40] <popey> (one part of my day)
[09:40] <bashrc> :)
[09:40] <foobarry> thats why some people are on the up, and some are stagnating and in fact going down
[09:42] <popey> Me and holbach used to review apps going into the store manually
[09:42] <popey> now it's automated (unless it goes wrong)
[09:44] <foobarry> computers are good at doing tedious things
[09:44] <foobarry> shame they can't do anything about the guy behind me who is eating his breakfast in a disgusting manner
[09:44] <popey> i once write an update script for a hotel in london, had to modify the phone numbers when "07" came in iirc.
[09:44] <popey> took about 30 mins to write the update code
[09:44] <popey> then spent half a day making a nice scroll bar and ETA ☻
[09:45] <popey> went to the hotel to run it on their live database, and had people crowded round the pc going Oooh, and Ahhh!
[09:45] <popey> "3 hours left!"
[09:45]  * popey ♥ dBase III
[09:50]  * zmoylan-pi <3 dbase iii+ :-)
[09:55] <DJones> Ooh dBase III, thats a blast from the past, I loved the programming language you could use in that, ended up writing systems for the chemical industry back in the late 80's/early 90's using that & dbase II
[09:56] <popey> ☻
[09:56] <popey> yeah, we had to learn dBase at college and then I actually used it a fair amount.
[09:58] <DJones> Same here, by the time I'd finished that system, it took about 3 hours for staff to input data & produce a 40 page report, compared to the manual method that took a week
[09:58] <zmoylan-pi> the command line was wonderful once you mastered it
[09:59] <foobarry> when you grew up in teh 80s the command line was all there is
[10:00] <zmoylan-pi> and when you type over 100wpm it was enough :-)
[10:00] <DJones> Running on C/PM on an ICL mini computer that was about 15 feet long, 4 feet high and 2 feet deep, 8 inch floppy disks and doorstops for hard drivespace in an air conditioned room with DRS 20 dumb terminals connect with co-ax cable
[10:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy World Hello Day! :-D
[10:01] <zmoylan-pi> world hello day?  such a wasted opportunity for learn to program hello world day :-)
[10:02]  * directhex shouts @ visual studio
[10:06] <JamesTait> directhex, I think that qualifies as a hello. Maybe.
[10:07] <zmoylan-pi> depends what words you use...
[10:07] <directhex> sweary ones
[10:07]  * zmoylan-pi is not picturing happy fluffy greeting :-)
[10:07] <directhex> i need some msvc experts.
[10:08] <bashrc> I used visual studio back in the day and it was usable but, eh, just proprietary
[10:20]  * awilkins is not a MSVC exprt
[10:20] <awilkins> Have some experience hammering on things until they compile in MinGW though
[10:21]  * zmoylan-pi tries to think of a irc channel with less msvc folk in it... 'star trek furries fan fiction channel'? :-)
[10:22] <awilkins> "The tribble... bulged."
[10:31] <foobarry> wut
[10:34] <awilkins> You see what MSVC does? IT CAUSES HORRIBLE THINGS TO HAPPEN.
[10:48] <directhex> yay, i got it working
[10:50] <JamesTait> Apparently I'm eligible for a 30-day trial of Amazon Prime Instant Video.
[10:51] <foobarry> they have amazon student
[10:51] <JamesTait> Anyone tried it?
[10:51] <foobarry> i have an .ac.uk address, in wonder if i can do it
[10:52] <MooDoo_> :)
[10:56] <MooDoo> bloomin irc lol
[11:59] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:59] <intrbiz> bigcalm: morning
[11:59] <bigcalm> o/
[12:28] <MooDoo> morning BigRedS
[12:28] <MooDoo> bigcalm:
[12:36] <bigcalm> ?
[12:36] <bigcalm> Oh
[12:36] <bigcalm> Hi
[12:37] <MooDoo> yeah type doh!#
[12:53] <BigRedS> MooDoo: Oh, good morning! I've been losing terminals this morning and only just found this one :)
[12:56] <MooDoo> BigRedS: what ya playin at ;)
[12:58] <BigRedS> I think I'm just tired :)
[12:58] <MooDoo> yeah i know that feeling
[13:00] <BigRedS> yeah, I keep reattatching to my tmuxes and finding a half-finished thing...
[14:22] <arsenip> does anyone use any kind of management panels for things like email/domains/dns/etc (read plesk, webmin etc)? are they any good these days? i once ran a server using webmin, it was great for day0, made it easy to get large numbers of accounts up and running etc, but by day 365 it was a pig, slow, old and stopped me manually interacting with the configs/services.
[14:22] <foobarry> january issue of magazine out now :-|
[14:22] <foobarry> the world has gone mad
[14:23] <arsenip> surprised ive not seen more xmas junk yet actually.
[14:23] <daftykins> arsenip: what about spiceworks? does that do that kind of jazz 0o
[14:23] <arsenip> usually it crops up in august
[14:23] <arsenip> isnt spice the vnc thing?
[14:23] <daftykins> i know webmin is fully deprecated on all debian bases now
[14:23] <arsenip> maybe thats not spiceworks
[14:23] <foobarry> do you want monitoring or mgmt
[14:24] <arsenip> management, monitoring would be lovely though.
[14:24] <daftykins> spiceworks is the web admin one that you feed logins then it goes off and scans the whole network etc
[14:24] <arsenip> i mean, i can manually set up everything, ive got postgfix/dovecot/saslauthd/roundcube etc but .. i just need to set up lots of accounts/users/domains now etc
[14:26] <arsenip> im reluctant to use anything due to the potential for it to be terrible later in life and regret it, but cant dismiss wihtout at least getting some experienced opinions :p
[14:26] <daftykins> XD
[14:29] <foobarry> puppetise everything
[14:32] <arsenip> yeah but for sub 20 users - quite a lot of effort
[14:33] <foobarry> yep
[14:33] <arsenip> especially as puppet is just as likely to go out of date, or atleast teh scripts will do
[14:33] <arsenip> i want zero maintenance :D
[14:33] <foobarry> sub contract it
[14:33] <arsenip> (this is just for my personal mail / web etc ) :D
[14:33] <foobarry> i left a whole infrastructure of 60 servers and 150 desktops for a couple of years
[14:34] <foobarry> zero maintenance
[14:34] <arsenip> i did that.
[14:34] <arsenip> now im back, migrating it to the 21st centure
[14:34] <foobarry> security updates auto updated
[14:34] <arsenip> century..
[14:34] <foobarry> mgmt via puppet
[14:34] <foobarry> ran itself
[14:34] <arsenip> ive virtualised everything of mine, so  i can move vz containers around in future. makes it easy
[14:44] <BigRedS> I use Postfixadmin for mail
[14:44] <BigRedS> to answer your qestion of 14:22
[14:45] <BigRedS> but other than that, not really. My job is to look after servers, though, so I'm more used to doing in the shell than using a control panel
[14:45] <BigRedS> I like Webmin, though, for not conflicting with 'normal' configuration
[14:51] <arsenip> looks like ajenti is similar, but maybe more modern
[14:51] <arsenip> likewise BigRedS - im a sysadmin, but i dont run lamp/email stuff anymore and dont really have time to set things up in the way they should be.
[14:51] <arsenip> automated monitoring of ~everything would be nice.
[14:54] <BigRedS> I wrote a script for installing postfixadmin
[14:54] <BigRedS> And generally don't bother changing things :
[14:54] <BigRedS> :)
[14:57] <foobarry> how can i extract the value of issues from an xml file and show it in an html page?
[14:57] <foobarry> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><issues total_count="4" offset="0" limit="25" type="array">
[14:57] <BigRedS> 'issues' doesn't have a value there
[14:57] <foobarry> i wanted to show total_count
[14:57] <foobarry> sorry
[14:57] <BigRedS> but, generally, either with a parser or a regex depending on your fondness for cthulu
[14:58] <foobarry> i can do it for <OPEN>14</OPEN>
[14:58] <BigRedS> what's generating the HTML page? what else is it doing? the better way to do this bit depends on what's already in place
[14:59] <foobarry> i have a page similar to http://www.w3schools.com/xml/tryit.asp?filename=tryxml_display_table
[14:59] <foobarry> i've done this before but can't find it anywhere
[15:01] <BigRedS> ah, javascript!
[15:01] <BigRedS> can't help with that, I'm afraid
[15:49] <foobarry> \o/ sorted it
[15:52] <BigRedS> whoop!
[16:02] <markp> hm
[16:02] <markp> so tired
[16:02] <diddledan> morning
[16:03] <markp> i was watching cant pay we'll take it away again - and its staggering how many people just DON'T pay rent..like 12months asnd stuff where they've not paid a penny
[16:04] <markp> and yet they're more often than not recieving ousing benefit..so they've blown it all ? then get re-housed
[16:04] <markp> i can totally see why everywhere I've rented always said no DSS
[16:04] <markp> not worth the risk
[16:08] <daftykins> :S
[16:08] <daftykins> idiots living life consequence free
[16:09] <daftykins> hrmm just linked up a wix.com website to a clients domain - she'd made her site with them 0o
[16:09] <daftykins> interesting service that
[16:09] <daftykins> i refused to switch to their name servers though :P
[16:44] <markp> omg this deep forest music is so cool
[18:32] <diddledan> new site has just gone live which I built
[18:32] <diddledan> fully responsive
[18:33] <daftykins> ;O!
[20:30] <mapps> well thats a pain
[20:30] <mapps> cant get any cider..they stop serving at 9
[20:30] <mapps> :(
[20:42] <daftykins> wat
[20:43] <mapps> yes
[20:43] <mapps> outrageous eh
[20:43] <mapps> caught up with gotham:D just watched e8
[20:43] <mapps> 1 more to go yay
[20:46] <daftykins> not touched that'un
[20:46] <daftykins> don't even know what it's about
[20:48] <mapps> pfft
[20:48] <mapps> :D
[20:54] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wi3k5wlrhqbc31a/IMG_20141121_190804.jpg?dl=0
[20:54] <daftykins> never heard of this Guinness original before 0o
[21:16] <Terminal> How do i install a patch?
[21:17] <diddledan> patch -p1 < ../path/to/patch
[21:18] <Terminal> eh?
[21:18] <diddledan> patches require source code and compilation capability
[21:18] <Terminal> i dont have a clue what your on about son, i want to install this: http://patchwork.freedesktop.org/patch/37073/
[21:18] <diddledan> if you are unsure about compiling software yourself then you should find a ppa where it's already built for you
[21:18] <daftykins> 'son' - oh dear.
[21:19] <directhex> i'd do it for him if he didn't act like a knob.
[21:19] <daftykins> oh it's THAT user again
[21:19] <daftykins> yeah you're on your own.
[21:19] <Terminal> jesus chirst i thought a change of username would hide myself
[21:20] <diddledan> !language | Terminal
[21:20] <daftykins> your obnoxious attributes shine through
[21:20] <daftykins> Terminal: 32-bit still failed then huh?
[21:20] <Terminal> no no no its working prefect :) (not)
[21:21] <daftykins> can't even answer a question straight. *sigh*
[21:21] <Terminal> its working prefect. IN all honesty mate its working prefect
[21:22] <daftykins> i am not your mate.
[21:22] <diddledan> I'm guessing that's a kernel patch?
[21:23] <Terminal> i dont have a clue if its a kernel patch? Whats wrong with saying mate? I hear the english say it all the time to strangers.
[21:23] <Terminal> they dont go "hey mate" "im not your fking mate" and end up punching you unless drunk
[21:28] <directhex> diddledan, yeah, kernel patch. drm is all in kernel
[21:29] <diddledan> certainly not something a n00b is going to want to debug if it breaks
[21:29] <daftykins> someones jumping the gun a bit in general really
[21:30] <Terminal> im not a n00b. You tell me how to do
[21:30] <directhex> apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
[21:31] <Terminal> so i put that in Terminal correct
[21:31] <diddledan> are you sure?
[21:31]  * daftykins facepalms
[21:31] <diddledan> definitely not a n00b
[21:32] <Terminal> am i sure?
[21:32] <daftykins> Terminal: you should ask in #ubuntu-ru in future, at least then you can speak your native language too.
[21:32] <Terminal> hahaha i bet they are drunk
[21:32] <Terminal> on vodka
[21:32] <daftykins> seems a bit like a stereotype
[21:33] <Terminal> no no no sterotype but all in seriousness where do i put that bloody patch.
[21:35] <daftykins> how did you originally find this channel?
[21:36] <Terminal> i was a bit drunk so i dont have a clue, all i know is its on my history
[21:37] <daftykins> are you drunk again tonight?
[21:39] <Terminal> ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i drunk a bit of vodka?
[21:44] <Terminal> guys, i went on the ru verison and was told to p*ss off because i told them to go f putin
[21:44] <bigcalm> ...
[21:44] <DJones> !guidelines | Terminal
[21:45] <Terminal> it wasnt my fault
[21:46] <DJones> Terminal: Erm, you can't dispute that "i told them to go f putin" (Using your own words), can't blame anybody else
[21:47] <Terminal> ._. not be drunk when you do crap like that
[21:51] <daftykins> Terminal: unsurprisingly your poor attitude is preventing anyone from wanting to help you.
[21:52] <Terminal> maybe i drink coffee than i return
[21:53] <daftykins> it'd be nicer if you skipped the second half of that altogether
[21:53] <mapps> play nice everyone;
[21:53] <mapps> ];]
[21:54] <daftykins> stay out of it
[21:54] <Terminal> stay out of what
[21:58] <popey> Ok chaps.
[21:58] <popey> Lets dial down the snark here.
[21:59] <popey> foobarry: I am becoming addicted to surveys on yougov
[22:00]  * m0nkey_ prods diddledan 
[22:00] <diddledan> morning m0nkey_
[22:00] <m0nkey_> afternoon
[22:06] <mapps> these xmini 2 speakers are so handy
[22:06] <mapps> using 2 linjked together..perfect for travelling:D
[22:18] <kslick> hi
[22:18] <mapps> hey
[22:18] <mapps> well he didnt stay long
[22:33] <daftykins> you put him off :(
[22:33] <daftykins> or her
[22:51] <mapps> ;[
[22:51] <mapps> yea i shouldbve said he/she
[23:14] <zmoylan-pi> i've always gone with 'they' didn't stay long to avoid gendering
[23:14] <popey> wise
[23:16] <daftykins> or using the nick every time, gets a tad tedious thoug
[23:16] <daftykins> h
[23:32] <Core__> Hello
[23:33] <zmoylan-pi> hi o/
[23:37] <popey> yo