[00:05] i don't even use this old ADSL2+ service but i found this amusing in the local paper today [00:06] https://www.dropbox.com/s/0if1ft7dyhapj9t/IMG_20141120_201259.jpg?dl=0 === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:21] a whopping 256Kbit/s increase [00:21] nice [00:21] :D [00:22] stingy amirite? [00:22] they could have left the downstream at the fairly reasonable 16Mbit/s and dedicated the extra speed entirely on upstream capacity [00:23] aaaaw yis [00:23] which they would have done if they really did care about customers' upload speeds [00:24] i think they really want everyone to move to the VDSL2 i'm on [00:24] yip [00:24] they've been pretty active on it, phoning everyone up O_O [00:26] prolly has a better profit margin [06:36] hey all [07:57] morning all [07:59] Morning all === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:15] I could spend hours looking at this website http://www.scapaflowwrecks.com/ I don't think I'd ever heard the story behind it before [09:17] morning boys and girls. [09:18] morning [09:23] morning === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [09:24] morning MooDoo and bashrc [09:32] guy behind me gets around 1500 emails overnight he needs to review briefly each one [09:33] define brief :-) [09:33] he clicks the mouse for each one. its surprisingly annoying [09:33] the delete key would be quiter and quicker [09:33] keyboard shortcuts ftw \o/ [09:34] its like an annoying clock that ticks 3x per second [09:34] Bayesian classification 4tw [09:34] some people deliberately choose jobs to slow their day down [09:34] that wouldn't be a review [09:34] Keystrokes on my keyboard would be annoying too though [09:34] a lot of thinking can be done while performing mundane tasks [09:34] I have a Model M [09:34] potentially silent [09:34] And a Cherry with clicky switches for "light duty" [09:36] how has 1500 mails guy not been automated out of this job? [09:36] i was suspicous of the "free" lego model from top cshback, but looks like they will come good [09:36] popey: its just the first 30 mins of his morning [09:37] i would automate it though [09:37] some people choose not to make their day efficient or they would have to work harder in the saved tiem [09:37] public sector mentality [09:39] private sector mentality more like [09:39] often it's just out of ignorance though [09:40] I used to love writing scripts to automate myself out of the loop [09:40] yeah [09:40] more time to do fun stuff [09:40] in fact at Canonical one guy has made it his job to automate me out of work ☻ [09:40] (one part of my day) [09:40] :) [09:40] thats why some people are on the up, and some are stagnating and in fact going down [09:42] Me and holbach used to review apps going into the store manually [09:42] now it's automated (unless it goes wrong) [09:44] computers are good at doing tedious things [09:44] shame they can't do anything about the guy behind me who is eating his breakfast in a disgusting manner [09:44] i once write an update script for a hotel in london, had to modify the phone numbers when "07" came in iirc. [09:44] took about 30 mins to write the update code [09:44] then spent half a day making a nice scroll bar and ETA ☻ [09:45] went to the hotel to run it on their live database, and had people crowded round the pc going Oooh, and Ahhh! [09:45] "3 hours left!" [09:45] * popey ♥ dBase III [09:50] * zmoylan-pi <3 dbase iii+ :-) [09:55] Ooh dBase III, thats a blast from the past, I loved the programming language you could use in that, ended up writing systems for the chemical industry back in the late 80's/early 90's using that & dbase II [09:56] ☻ [09:56] yeah, we had to learn dBase at college and then I actually used it a fair amount. [09:58] Same here, by the time I'd finished that system, it took about 3 hours for staff to input data & produce a 40 page report, compared to the manual method that took a week [09:58] the command line was wonderful once you mastered it [09:59] when you grew up in teh 80s the command line was all there is [10:00] and when you type over 100wpm it was enough :-) [10:00] Running on C/PM on an ICL mini computer that was about 15 feet long, 4 feet high and 2 feet deep, 8 inch floppy disks and doorstops for hard drivespace in an air conditioned room with DRS 20 dumb terminals connect with co-ax cable [10:01] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy World Hello Day! :-D [10:01] world hello day? such a wasted opportunity for learn to program hello world day :-) [10:02] * directhex shouts @ visual studio [10:06] directhex, I think that qualifies as a hello. Maybe. [10:07] depends what words you use... [10:07] sweary ones [10:07] * zmoylan-pi is not picturing happy fluffy greeting :-) [10:07] i need some msvc experts. [10:08] I used visual studio back in the day and it was usable but, eh, just proprietary [10:20] * awilkins is not a MSVC exprt [10:20] Have some experience hammering on things until they compile in MinGW though [10:21] * zmoylan-pi tries to think of a irc channel with less msvc folk in it... 'star trek furries fan fiction channel'? :-) === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:22] "The tribble... bulged." [10:31] wut [10:34] You see what MSVC does? IT CAUSES HORRIBLE THINGS TO HAPPEN. [10:48] yay, i got it working [10:50] Apparently I'm eligible for a 30-day trial of Amazon Prime Instant Video. [10:51] they have amazon student [10:51] Anyone tried it? [10:51] i have an .ac.uk address, in wonder if i can do it [10:52] :) === MooDoo_ is now known as MooDoo === MooDoo is now known as Guest27748 === Guest27748 is now known as MooDoo [10:56] bloomin irc lol [11:59] Good morning peeps :) [11:59] bigcalm: morning [11:59] o/ [12:28] morning BigRedS [12:28] bigcalm: [12:36] ? [12:36] Oh [12:36] Hi [12:37] yeah type doh!# === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:53] MooDoo: Oh, good morning! I've been losing terminals this morning and only just found this one :) [12:56] BigRedS: what ya playin at ;) [12:58] I think I'm just tired :) [12:58] yeah i know that feeling [13:00] yeah, I keep reattatching to my tmuxes and finding a half-finished thing... === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:22] does anyone use any kind of management panels for things like email/domains/dns/etc (read plesk, webmin etc)? are they any good these days? i once ran a server using webmin, it was great for day0, made it easy to get large numbers of accounts up and running etc, but by day 365 it was a pig, slow, old and stopped me manually interacting with the configs/services. [14:22] january issue of magazine out now :-| [14:22] the world has gone mad [14:23] surprised ive not seen more xmas junk yet actually. [14:23] arsenip: what about spiceworks? does that do that kind of jazz 0o [14:23] usually it crops up in august [14:23] isnt spice the vnc thing? [14:23] i know webmin is fully deprecated on all debian bases now [14:23] maybe thats not spiceworks [14:23] do you want monitoring or mgmt [14:24] management, monitoring would be lovely though. [14:24] spiceworks is the web admin one that you feed logins then it goes off and scans the whole network etc [14:24] i mean, i can manually set up everything, ive got postgfix/dovecot/saslauthd/roundcube etc but .. i just need to set up lots of accounts/users/domains now etc [14:26] im reluctant to use anything due to the potential for it to be terrible later in life and regret it, but cant dismiss wihtout at least getting some experienced opinions :p [14:26] XD [14:29] puppetise everything [14:32] yeah but for sub 20 users - quite a lot of effort [14:33] yep [14:33] especially as puppet is just as likely to go out of date, or atleast teh scripts will do [14:33] i want zero maintenance :D [14:33] sub contract it [14:33] (this is just for my personal mail / web etc ) :D [14:33] i left a whole infrastructure of 60 servers and 150 desktops for a couple of years [14:34] zero maintenance [14:34] i did that. [14:34] now im back, migrating it to the 21st centure [14:34] security updates auto updated [14:34] century.. [14:34] mgmt via puppet [14:34] ran itself [14:34] ive virtualised everything of mine, so i can move vz containers around in future. makes it easy [14:44] I use Postfixadmin for mail [14:44] to answer your qestion of 14:22 [14:45] but other than that, not really. My job is to look after servers, though, so I'm more used to doing in the shell than using a control panel [14:45] I like Webmin, though, for not conflicting with 'normal' configuration [14:51] looks like ajenti is similar, but maybe more modern [14:51] likewise BigRedS - im a sysadmin, but i dont run lamp/email stuff anymore and dont really have time to set things up in the way they should be. [14:51] automated monitoring of ~everything would be nice. [14:54] I wrote a script for installing postfixadmin [14:54] And generally don't bother changing things : [14:54] :) [14:57] how can i extract the value of issues from an xml file and show it in an html page? [14:57] [14:57] 'issues' doesn't have a value there [14:57] i wanted to show total_count [14:57] sorry [14:57] but, generally, either with a parser or a regex depending on your fondness for cthulu [14:58] i can do it for 14 [14:58] what's generating the HTML page? what else is it doing? the better way to do this bit depends on what's already in place [14:59] i have a page similar to http://www.w3schools.com/xml/tryit.asp?filename=tryxml_display_table [14:59] i've done this before but can't find it anywhere [15:01] ah, javascript! [15:01] can't help with that, I'm afraid [15:49] \o/ sorted it === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [15:52] whoop! [16:02] hm [16:02] so tired [16:02] morning [16:03] i was watching cant pay we'll take it away again - and its staggering how many people just DON'T pay rent..like 12months asnd stuff where they've not paid a penny [16:04] and yet they're more often than not recieving ousing benefit..so they've blown it all ? then get re-housed [16:04] i can totally see why everywhere I've rented always said no DSS [16:04] not worth the risk [16:08] :S [16:08] idiots living life consequence free [16:09] hrmm just linked up a wix.com website to a clients domain - she'd made her site with them 0o [16:09] interesting service that [16:09] i refused to switch to their name servers though :P [16:44] omg this deep forest music is so cool === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOW [18:32] new site has just gone live which I built [18:32] fully responsive [18:33] ;O! === markp is now known as mapps [20:30] well thats a pain [20:30] cant get any cider..they stop serving at 9 [20:30] :( [20:42] wat [20:43] yes [20:43] outrageous eh [20:43] caught up with gotham:D just watched e8 [20:43] 1 more to go yay [20:46] not touched that'un [20:46] don't even know what it's about === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [20:48] pfft [20:48] :D [20:54] https://www.dropbox.com/s/wi3k5wlrhqbc31a/IMG_20141121_190804.jpg?dl=0 [20:54] never heard of this Guinness original before 0o [21:16] How do i install a patch? [21:17] patch -p1 < ../path/to/patch [21:18] eh? [21:18] patches require source code and compilation capability [21:18] i dont have a clue what your on about son, i want to install this: http://patchwork.freedesktop.org/patch/37073/ [21:18] if you are unsure about compiling software yourself then you should find a ppa where it's already built for you [21:18] 'son' - oh dear. [21:19] i'd do it for him if he didn't act like a knob. [21:19] oh it's THAT user again [21:19] yeah you're on your own. [21:19] jesus chirst i thought a change of username would hide myself [21:20] !language | Terminal [21:20] Terminal: The main Ubuntu channels require that you speak in calm, polite English. For other languages, please visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList [21:20] your obnoxious attributes shine through [21:20] Terminal: 32-bit still failed then huh? [21:20] no no no its working prefect :) (not) [21:21] can't even answer a question straight. *sigh* [21:21] its working prefect. IN all honesty mate its working prefect [21:22] i am not your mate. [21:22] I'm guessing that's a kernel patch? [21:23] i dont have a clue if its a kernel patch? Whats wrong with saying mate? I hear the english say it all the time to strangers. [21:23] they dont go "hey mate" "im not your fking mate" and end up punching you unless drunk [21:28] diddledan, yeah, kernel patch. drm is all in kernel [21:29] certainly not something a n00b is going to want to debug if it breaks [21:29] someones jumping the gun a bit in general really [21:30] im not a n00b. You tell me how to do [21:30] apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r) [21:31] so i put that in Terminal correct [21:31] are you sure? [21:31] * daftykins facepalms [21:31] definitely not a n00b [21:32] am i sure? [21:32] Terminal: you should ask in #ubuntu-ru in future, at least then you can speak your native language too. [21:32] hahaha i bet they are drunk [21:32] on vodka [21:32] seems a bit like a stereotype [21:33] no no no sterotype but all in seriousness where do i put that bloody patch. [21:35] how did you originally find this channel? [21:36] i was a bit drunk so i dont have a clue, all i know is its on my history [21:37] are you drunk again tonight? [21:39] ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i drunk a bit of vodka? [21:44] guys, i went on the ru verison and was told to p*ss off because i told them to go f putin [21:44] ... [21:44] !guidelines | Terminal [21:44] Terminal: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines [21:45] it wasnt my fault [21:46] Terminal: Erm, you can't dispute that "i told them to go f putin" (Using your own words), can't blame anybody else [21:47] ._. not be drunk when you do crap like that [21:51] Terminal: unsurprisingly your poor attitude is preventing anyone from wanting to help you. [21:52] maybe i drink coffee than i return [21:53] it'd be nicer if you skipped the second half of that altogether [21:53] play nice everyone; [21:53] ];] [21:54] stay out of it [21:54] stay out of what [21:58] Ok chaps. [21:58] Lets dial down the snark here. [21:59] foobarry: I am becoming addicted to surveys on yougov [22:00] * m0nkey_ prods diddledan [22:00] morning m0nkey_ [22:00] afternoon [22:06] these xmini 2 speakers are so handy [22:06] using 2 linjked together..perfect for travelling:D [22:18] hi [22:18] hey [22:18] well he didnt stay long [22:33] you put him off :( [22:33] or her [22:51] ;[ [22:51] yea i shouldbve said he/she [23:14] i've always gone with 'they' didn't stay long to avoid gendering [23:14] wise [23:16] or using the nick every time, gets a tad tedious thoug [23:16] h [23:32] Hello [23:33] hi o/ [23:37] yo