| rick_h_ | evening | 01:18 |
|---|---|---|
| cmaloney | evening,++ | 02:08 |
| cmaloney | Good morning | 13:21 |
| brousch | Never give up! | 13:26 |
| brousch | You have like 60 territory to my 30 | 13:27 |
| cmaloney | brousch: You've taken around 30 of my stones. This ceased being fun a while ago. :) | 14:00 |
| cmaloney | And acc to my calculations you'll win by 18 points | 14:00 |
| brousch | I think you're too pessimistic, but I accept your surrender | 14:01 |
| cmaloney | tx | 14:09 |
| cmaloney | Let's play again. :) | 14:09 |
| cmaloney | 13x13. I don't think I'm ready for 19x19 | 14:09 |
| cmaloney | brb | 14:09 |
| brousch_ | Could this distro have a less-appealing name? http://www.staples.com/ACER-AMERICA-NOTEBOOKS-TravelMate-Celeron-Linpus-Linux-Notebook/product_IM1VN8679 | 14:44 |
| cmaloney | http://www.linpus.com/ | 14:46 |
| cmaloney | s/distro/company/ | 14:46 |
| cmaloney | Looks like another company trying to make a chromebook OS | 14:47 |
| cmaloney | And of course online only | 14:48 |
| cmaloney | (on Staples, so I can't go over to the store to play with one) | 14:48 |
| brousch_ | heh | 14:49 |
| brousch_ | cmaloney: I invited you to a 13x13 | 14:52 |
| cmaloney | brousch_: Awesome. Will accept in a bit. | 14:52 |
| jrwren | very interesting. they are an ex-meego vendor | 14:52 |
| jrwren | http://www.linpus.com/aboutus.html | 14:52 |
| cmaloney | Not seeing the invite | 14:52 |
| cmaloney | "Linpus is the only Linux vendor with research and development facilities in both Taipei and Shanghai, strategically positioned next to the main hardware manufacturers. " | 14:53 |
| brousch_ | hm, it's not in my sent either | 14:53 |
| jrwren | its too bad that thing is $349 instead of $199. we know it alreayd runs linux, could wipe it and maybe use distro of choice :) | 14:53 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: You read my mind | 14:53 |
| cmaloney | That was the nice thing about the Asus Eee | 14:53 |
| cmaloney | Until the distros expanded larger than 4GB | 14:54 |
| jrwren | i just bought http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MNOPS1C/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 | 14:54 |
| jrwren | I haven't tried linux on it, yet. someone told me it doesn't work well. | 14:54 |
| jrwren | broadcom wifi fail and stuff. We shall see. | 14:54 |
| cmaloney | 2GB isn't going to be happy either | 14:54 |
| brousch_ | Ah, found the problem. I had rated game checked but you have no rating | 14:55 |
| brousch_ | jrwren: El cheapo! | 14:56 |
| jrwren | brousch_: yup. | 14:56 |
| jrwren | 2GB ram? that is plenty for my use cases. | 14:56 |
| brousch_ | Speed and RAM are similar to the Win8 tablets I tried. normal things ran fine, but dev became painful | 14:56 |
| jrwren | i wouldn't dev on it. | 14:57 |
| cmaloney | brousch_: Yeah, I should just bite the bullet and rate myself 29yu | 14:57 |
| cmaloney | kyu | 14:57 |
| jrwren | at least not more than basic python and go. | 14:57 |
| brousch_ | Python with vim would be OK | 14:57 |
| brousch_ | Although with a small Linux DE like LXDE you might be able to run a real IDE | 14:58 |
| jrwren | i haven't used a real IDE in 3+yrs. | 14:58 |
| jrwren | wait... does XCode count. ok 2.5 yrs. 3yrs ago I was using XCode. | 14:58 |
| * brousch_ casts his lure and turns on the electric motor | 14:59 | |
| * DrDaemonEye wanders down memory lane to when he actually used an IDE to work on a project. | 16:40 | |
| DrDaemonEye | 4 or 5 years? | 16:40 |
| cmaloney | ago? | 18:26 |
| jrwren | now. | 18:27 |
| cmaloney | I haven't used a real IDE since I tried bashing Eclipse to do what the Radional Rose folks at Chrysler were doing automatically to build J2EE application | 18:29 |
| cmaloney | s | 18:29 |
| cmaloney | And I haven't missed it one iota. | 18:29 |
| cmaloney | vim is my IDE | 18:30 |
| cmaloney | all hail the vim | 18:30 |
| * rick_h_ hails | 18:30 | |
| cmaloney | (controversial statement: IDEs are generally useful when folks don't know how to make proper makefiles for their buld process. ;) ) | 18:31 |
| cmaloney | (and when you need 500 lines of template code to write "hello world") | 18:31 |
| rick_h_ | well that's because IDEs are 12 tools in one | 18:32 |
| rick_h_ | build tool, code reading tool, task tracking tool, workspace management tool, file template generation tool | 18:32 |
| brousch_ | mmmm, all in one | 18:34 |
| rick_h_ | 'OMG! they moved the button. I don't know how to build my software without the button! Crap!' | 18:34 |
| cmaloney | rick_h_: ++ | 18:35 |
| rick_h_ | or better yet, "there's a problem on production, let's install the IDE On there and rerun the build" :P | 18:35 |
| cmaloney | Gah | 18:35 |
| jrwren | someone told me vim is an idea, becuse they prefer nano. I eyerolled. | 18:35 |
| cmaloney | idea or ide | 18:35 |
| jrwren | just because an editor has nice features doesn't make it an IDE | 18:35 |
| jrwren | sorry, bad typo. IDE. | 18:35 |
| cmaloney | vim can be made into an IDE | 18:35 |
| jrwren | how? | 18:35 |
| jrwren | what makes it an IDE? | 18:35 |
| rick_h_ | right, it's about the integration of all the various tasks a developer must do | 18:35 |
| jrwren | GDB isn't INTEGRATED into VIM. its a vim plugin talking to GDB | 18:36 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: jedi, fugitive, rick's .vimrc | 18:36 |
| jrwren | that isn't an IDE. | 18:36 |
| jrwren | nothing is "INTEGRATED" | 18:36 |
| rick_h_ | lol my vimrc is far from any big ide | 18:36 |
| brousch_ | What's the equivalent of a makefile on Windows? | 18:36 |
| jrwren | brousch_: a Makefile. | 18:36 |
| cmaloney | Right, IDE is too limited a term. More like a missile silo dashboard. :) | 18:36 |
| rick_h_ | brousch_: vagrant :P | 18:36 |
| jrwren | brousch_: windows dev tools ship with NMAKE.EXE | 18:36 |
| brousch_ | Hm, so I can use make on windows if I install visual Studio? | 18:37 |
| cmaloney | You can use something they call make with VS | 18:37 |
| jrwren | brousch_: you can use nmake, which is NOT bsd or gnu make compatible. | 18:37 |
| rick_h_ | wheeee! | 18:37 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: hi 5 ! | 18:37 |
| jrwren | brousch_: this is why autotools and cmake exist. :) | 18:37 |
| jrwren | autotools does target nmake too, right? | 18:37 |
| cmaloney | And why it's a pain in the butt to get anything with UNIX roots working under Windows | 18:38 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: likely, but haven't looked | 18:38 |
| cmaloney | I'd be surprised if it didn't. | 18:38 |
| jrwren | why indeed. | 18:38 |
| jrwren | its because MSFT love to artificially put up boundaries. | 18:38 |
| cmaloney | Well, it's philosophies | 18:39 |
| jrwren | don't force your philosophies on me. that is like your opinion, man. | 18:39 |
| cmaloney | UNIX has a philosophy, and Microsoft likes to dress up in pretty berets and soupt nonsense. :) | 18:39 |
| cmaloney | spout rather | 18:39 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: so true. | 18:39 |
| jrwren | i honestly beleive the IT industry as a whole is 10-15 yrs behind where it could be if MSFT would have just shipped POSIX userspace OOTB on all windows versions. | 18:40 |
| jrwren | they had the api, they had the tools, they just wouldn't ship it! | 18:40 |
| jrwren | bastards! | 18:40 |
| * jrwren grumble grumble | 18:40 | |
| cmaloney | Yeah, but POSIX took a while for anyone to take seriously | 18:40 |
| cmaloney | It had the "Standards body" sheen that nobody cares for | 18:40 |
| jrwren | it was plenty serious by 2000 when windows 2000 shipped. | 18:40 |
| cmaloney | like CORBA, or ANSI | 18:41 |
| jrwren | ugh. | 18:41 |
| cmaloney | iirc wasn't Windows one of the first major OSes that shipped POSIX complete / compliant / whatever it was? | 18:41 |
| jrwren | know why easy_install and setup tools exist? because no make on windows. | 18:41 |
| jrwren | know why rake exists? because no make on windows. | 18:41 |
| jrwren | know why npm exists? because no make on windows. | 18:42 |
| jrwren | :p | 18:42 |
| cmaloney | heh | 18:42 |
| jrwren | know why grunt exists? because no make on windows | 18:42 |
| cmaloney | I also blame Windows for not shipping a C compiler | 18:42 |
| cmaloney | though that was also the norm for decades for regular UNIX as well | 18:42 |
| jrwren | at least they fixed that. | 18:42 |
| jrwren | they did finally make a free compiler always available for download. | 18:43 |
| cmaloney | knr C compiler that doesn't compile anything but kernel modules. | 18:43 |
| jrwren | i don't blame 'em for not including it OOTB | 18:43 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: really? which unix did that? most I know didn't. they included a linker and kernel binaries and only linked. | 18:43 |
| cmaloney | HPUX | 18:43 |
| jrwren | ah. | 18:43 |
| cmaloney | iirc | 18:43 |
| cmaloney | Ultrix also had some weird shit in there as well | 18:44 |
| jrwren | yeah, it was weird. OSF, ultrix, digital unix, tru64 only ever shipped on dec alpha, so they shipped kernel binaries and you would rebuild your kernel only by relinking. no source needed. | 18:44 |
| jrwren | or did ultrix target mips too? | 18:45 |
| cmaloney | Not sure | 18:45 |
| cmaloney | I think it was MIPS only | 18:45 |
| cmaloney | not sure if it ever was on dec Alpha | 18:45 |
| jrwren | oh? | 18:45 |
| cmaloney | at least I never saw Ultrix on a DEC alpha | 18:45 |
| jrwren | pretty sure we had ultrix on alpha, but I may remember wrong. | 18:45 |
| cmaloney | but we only had one alpha machine | 18:45 |
| cmaloney | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrix | 18:45 |
| cmaloney | Heh, it was on VAX | 18:46 |
| cmaloney | and PDP-11 | 18:46 |
| jrwren | ah, replaced with osf/1 for alpha. | 18:46 |
| jrwren | cool. | 18:46 |
| cmaloney | OSF/1 was nice | 18:46 |
| cmaloney | I really liked it | 18:46 |
| cmaloney | Could also be that I had root on the machine | 18:46 |
| jrwren | yup. | 18:46 |
| jrwren | lol. | 18:46 |
| rick_h_ | finally! a keyboard I actually have no interest in! http://atreus.technomancy.us/ | 19:34 |
| cmaloney | http://metal-and-wine.com/en/ | 19:45 |
| cmaloney | The German side also has Accept and Yello | 19:47 |
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