[01:35] <PCLine_> Evening everyone.
[14:12] <dzho> belkinsa: TIL about ubuntu-scientists
[14:13] <belkinsa> What is TIL?
[14:13] <yano> Today I Learned
[14:13] <yano> so you could say: TIL about TIL
[14:13] <belkinsa> Ah.
[14:13] <dzho> :-)
[14:13] <belkinsa> And I so can.
[14:13] <yano> :3
[14:13] <belkinsa> TIL about TIL
[14:14]  * dzho looks at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists/, looks at #ubuntu-scientists
[14:14] <belkinsa> Our channel is dead, I even gave up sitting in.
[14:15] <dzho> aw
[14:15] <dzho> a lot of these things take more time that we're able or willing to give them to build up awareness and steam
[14:15] <belkinsa> Though, i need to reboot the team and get a project going.
[14:15] <dzho> s/that we're/than we're/
[14:15] <jenni> dzho meant to say: a lot of these things take more time than we're able or willing to give them to build up awareness and steam
[14:15] <belkinsa> Yeah, and everyone has other things to do.
[14:15]  * dzho nods
[14:16] <dzho> I saw a coworking space here closed in July--it had only been open since January
[14:16] <belkinsa> It's next on my list about the Ubuntu Women projects and the Ubuntu Leadership mentoring program.  Maybe I could squeeze in another project.
[14:17] <dzho> belkinsa: none of this is meant as a call for you to do more, of course.  From what I'm seeing you are doing quite a bit.
[14:18] <belkinsa> I know and I need to stop.  Enough is enough.
[14:18] <dzho> I'm just trying to give this some attention.
[14:18] <belkinsa> I understand.
[14:18] <dzho> We need to be able to talk about these things without it burning us all out.
[14:18]  * belkinsa nods
[14:19]  * dzho thinks of the loco fracas, the systemd stuff, the rivalry we have in town here between a makerspace and a hackerspace and all these other little nerd groups barely big enough to hang a name on
[14:20] <dzho> anyway, my coffee is almost gone and the cafe is filling up so I should probably press on.  WTG, belkinsa :-)
[14:20] <dzho> (Way to go!)
[14:20] <dzho> ;-)
[14:20] <belkinsa> Thanks and see ya.
[14:20]  * belkinsa needs to go too...battery is dying
[14:22] <skellat> dzho: What loco fracas?  
[14:44] <dzho> skellat: you mocking the Vancouver group is foremost in my mind
[14:45] <dzho> but the lack of quorum, the unrest over the recent policy changes
[14:49] <skellat> Yeah, not too pleasant stuff
[14:52] <dzho> I think there are serious crossed wires about why formal recognition is important for everyone involved.  The marked failure of the recognition process to penetrate even where there exists tremendous goodwill, as in Vancouver, is an existential sort of problem.
[14:54] <dzho> we have a little bit of distance now from Ubuntu's founding as an explicit alternative to Redhat, which is I think important in part because of the challenge trademark use and protection presents.
[14:55] <dzho> (and an explicit alternative to Debian, which is the side of things that held more of my attention back in the day, because I had already tried to give up on Redhat)