[00:53] <seronis> the screen lock utility keeps locking my screen even though i have screen saver turned off and the lock utility itself set to not activate.   any way to force it to obey its settings ?
[00:58] <seronis> http://i.imgur.com/mcl7rK3.png   im pretty sure this means it should not lock just because i take a few minutes to make a sandwich
[00:59] <seronis> i've tried setting it to only lock when screen saver runs (whcih i have disabled) but it still locks the screen if i dont touch keyboard/mouse for 10 minutes
[02:32] <eduardojunio> Olá!
[03:17] <evo__> hi! my sevrer's motherboard died. i tried following directions on how to recover mysql from old hdd to new install from ubuntu forums but when i try to start the mysql service, the service fails to start. can anyone help walk me through?a
[03:20] <holstein> evo__: hmmm. i dont think you will get the "best" help here for that.. i would try the server channel, or upstream mysql support
[03:20] <holstein> !server
[03:20] <holstein> evo__: you are welcome to give some specific errors, and see if a volunteer can assist.. otherwise, i know enough to know its not trivial to move mysql..
[03:21] <evo__> yeah just thought i'd try here. been waiting for a reply in server for hours
[03:21] <holstein> evo__: you are welcome to try here
[03:21] <holstein> evo__: share the guides. share what you have done.. share an error.. also, #ubuntu will be quite populous
[03:22] <evo__> ubuntu wont let me join
[03:22] <evo__> bash only says "mysql service failed to start"
[03:22] <holstein> evo__: you are welcome to share an error related to that as well.. there is the #ubuntu-irc channel, if you need specific assistance
[03:23] <evo__> i copied /var/lib/mysql from old hdd to new hdd. tried setting owner to root, me, www-data and mysql
[03:23] <holstein> evo__: is root trying to launch it?..
[03:24] <evo__> sudo service mysql start
[03:24] <holstein> evo__: my first guess is permissions..
[03:24] <evo__> no guide i have seen says what the permissions should be, just to "check the permissions"
[03:24] <holstein> evo__: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/copying-databases.html is what i would start with..
[03:25] <evo__> thanks
[03:25] <holstein> evo__: then, why are you messing with the permissions?
[03:25] <evo__> because i had to be root to copy, and no one stated what the correct ppermissions should be from what i've seen
[03:25] <holstein> anyways.. there more to it than that.. and hopefully that guide will get you started
[03:27] <evo__> i think this guide is for a system that is up and running which is not the case. i have a downed box and i'm migrating to a new box
[03:28] <holstein> evo__: what backups do you have?
[03:28] <evo__> one from 6 months ago
[03:28] <holstein> evo__: the proceedure is different than, "copy the file, and run mysql"
[03:29] <holstein> evo__: are you in #mysql ?
[03:29] <evo__> cant join there either..  guess im forced to register
[03:29] <holstein> evo__: you should be registered.. it literally wont hurt..
[03:29] <holstein> !register
[07:17] <dianne167> hello. i am having trouble applying an installed theme..  i downloaded these two themes:  http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Mac+OS+9+Platinum+gtk+theme?content=110444     and    http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Mac+Classic+Platinum?content=144719    ...i moved them into my themes folder, and it shows up under appearence to change the gtk theme, but they do not show up in the window manager section of the settings
[07:59] <xubuntu28f> help
[08:02] <ObrienDave> with?
[09:35] <TheBigDeal> Morning
[09:36] <TheBigDeal> anyone knows how can i add an application shortcut to the whisker menu?
[09:41] <elfy> TheBigDeal: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=menulibre_usage
[09:42] <TheBigDeal> elfy, thanks :D
[09:42] <elfy> welcome :)
[09:45] <TheBigDeal> elfy, adding it is too simple it is just like ubuntu, i thought it different :) creating a .desktop file will work exactly the same as ubuntu.
[09:46] <TheBigDeal> elfy, now i can understand why all ubuntu sub distros are the same :)
[09:54] <ninetynine> Hi, can someone help me with diagnosing my boot.log? I have some problem here with systemd-tmpfile, which runs for 10 minutes every boot. Log: http://pastebin.com/0BFx2ASh   Line 1017
[11:11] <xubuntu82w> HI, not sure this is working ?
[11:11] <deshipu> !hi | xubuntu82w
[11:12] <ObrienDave> xubuntu82w, it works
[11:12] <Svetlana> yes welcome
[11:12] <xubuntu82w> I expect to get the same automated response this time too ?
[11:12] <Svetlana> no, some of us are human
[11:12] <ObrienDave> not I ;P
[11:12] <Svetlana> hehe
[11:12] <xubuntu82w> HI, not sure this is working ?
[11:13] <Svetlana> it is working
[11:13] <Svetlana> how can I help you sir
[11:13] <ObrienDave> and i have doubts about Svetlana ;p
[11:14] <xubuntu82w> OK, thanks, Any chance I can get some help on networking with Xubuntu
[11:14] <Svetlana> we will try
[11:14] <Svetlana> what's the problem?
[11:14] <ObrienDave> depends on the help
[11:15] <xubuntu82w> I'm new-ish... to Xubuntu.. but had it running for a year or so on my laptap.. great...
[11:15] <xubuntu82w> and now.
[11:16] <xubuntu82w> have tried to move my serverto it...
[11:16] <xubuntu82w> but now 14.04LTS, I for the life of me can now share drives ?
[11:16] <xubuntu82w> On win net ?
[11:17] <ObrienDave> you might be better off asking in #ubuntu. more people there to help you
[11:17] <Svetlana> what happens when you try to share a drive? what are the symptoms?
[11:18] <xubuntu82w> OK, sorry did not know there was a difference.. I will leave, thanks mate, cheers.
[11:18] <xubuntu82w> OH..
[11:18] <xubuntu82w> Sorry ...
[11:18] <ObrienDave> no, don't have to leave
[11:19] <xubuntu82w> I think that is the problem, DOS man, and I do not know, from Ubuntu how to share drives... (easy in win)..
[11:19] <xubuntu82w> Tried Samba
[11:20] <xubuntu82w> Win won't give possisions ?
[11:20]  * ObrienDave knows nothing about samba
[11:21] <xubuntu82w> Tried Gobolo
[11:21] <koegs> xubuntu82w: what did you actually do?
[11:22] <xubuntu82w> I have got rid of my old server, and based on how great Xubuntu has been (as a client, on the win net), replace the server.
[11:23] <koegs> no, i mean, what did you do to share a folder?
[11:24] <xubuntu82w> folder... ??  server has 4 x 3TiB drives... share "drives" ??  yes
[11:24] <xubuntu82w> Too win ?
[11:24] <koegs> folder, drive, whatever...
[11:24] <xubuntu82w> Yes, sorry new to this,
[11:24] <xubuntu82w> Get as a client...
[11:25] <xubuntu82w> But now as I am trying as a "server" I'm a bit lost...
[11:25] <koegs> to the point: what software did you use to share a folder/drive to windows?
[11:26] <koegs> or didn't you do anything at all yet?
[11:26] <Svetlana> what error message about permissions do you get?
[11:27] <xubuntu82w> When I had a windows server, Xubuntu just found it on the workgroup...   Now it is swapped around, I can share, but I get promission errors from Win ?
[11:28] <koegs> i am giving up :D
[11:29] <Svetlana> give me the error message text please
[11:30] <xubuntu82w> from windows ?
[11:30] <xubuntu82w> I can see windows drives
[11:31] <xubuntu82w> but windows can see but then crashes out with promission errors ?
[11:33] <xubuntu82w> I am a big fan of Xubuntu, nice clean stable, but for the life of me, I can not work out how to share HDD on Windows networks.. Will rever to MS.. SAD ... But thanks anyway.. Cheers.
[11:33] <koegs> this must have been a troll O.o
[11:36] <bazhang> was he trying to access an ext4 drive from windows?
[11:36] <Svetlana> possibly
[11:37] <bazhang> thats completely a ##windows issue
[11:37] <ObrienDave> what if the drives were ntfs?
[11:37] <Svetlana> i couldn't grok that until the end of the conversation
[11:38] <bazhang> ubuntu can fully use them
[11:38] <Svetlana> i wanted to make sure that the error is coming from windows
[11:38] <ObrienDave> k
[11:38] <Svetlana> by reading its full text
[11:38] <Svetlana> but he left
[11:38] <bazhang> he never gave any details at all, that I could see
[11:38] <Svetlana> aye
[11:38] <bazhang> just "dont work"
[11:39] <bazhang> !work
[11:39] <koegs> i thought he wants to use samba on an ubuntu server, but i'm not sure
[11:40]  * ObrienDave suspects a google translate issue ;p
[12:15] <aynrand420> where my hard drives at
[12:15] <aynrand420> im new to ubuntu
[12:17] <deshipu> have you looked under the table?
[12:17] <aynrand420> yes
[12:18] <aynrand420> (they're not there)
[12:18] <deshipu> do you remember where you saw them last time?
[12:18] <elfy> aynrand420: have you looked in thunar? are you sure that they are hard drives and not partitions - windows calls partitions drives iirc
[12:20] <elfy> thunar is the file manager
[12:22] <aynrand420> i have a 2tb drive
[12:23] <aynrand420> but once I have filled up 2gb of it, it is full
[12:23] <aynrand420> http://ctrlv.in/464226
[12:26] <elfy> aynrand420: click on the 2tb volume so it mounts and then run df -h again - all that is showing currently is the live session
[12:45] <elfy> aynrand420: I assume then that you get an error trying to mount that 2TB drive - as it's still not showing
[12:48] <aynrand420> i am not sure how to mount it
[12:48] <aynrand420> it does show up now
[12:48] <elfy> click it in thunar and it should mount
[12:54] <aynrand420> do i have to do this every time i turn the computer on
[13:17] <elfy> aynrand420: no - you could add it to fstab and it will mount when you boot
[13:18] <elfy> !fstab
[13:19] <aynrand420> thank you
[13:20] <elfy> welcome :)
[14:09] <aynrand420> elfy
[14:10] <aynrand420> i was booting off of my usb, how embarrassing
[14:10] <aynrand420> all fixed now, thanks for your help
[14:11] <cfhowlett> aynrand420, hey if that's the worst buntu mistake you make, you'll do just fine ...
[14:32] <elfy> aynrand420: it happens - though I did actually say it looked like that - glad you're sorted :)
[17:14] <CraigyDavi> I'm trying to get the user "craig" to be able to use all commands without a password or without using sudo - pretty much like a root account. I have added the line "craig   ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL" to /ect/sudoers but nothing seems to happen, anyone know why?
[17:15] <holstein> CraigyDavi: i wouldnt
[17:15] <holstein> CraigyDavi: those permissions are in place for a reason..
[17:15] <holstein> CraigyDavi: what are you trying to accomplish, overall? giving admin rights to a person using the machine?
[17:16] <CraigyDavi> Well I want to edit a few files in /ect/ easily
[17:16] <holstein> CraigyDavi: sudo nano /path/to/file
[17:16] <holstein> or, gksudo gedit, or whatever text editor..
[17:17] <holstein> i wouldnt suggest breaking the protections in place just for that..
[17:18] <CraigyDavi> Well also... I want to edit the menu via the menu editor, It's annoying to have to type sudo menulibre every time I want to edit the menu using the program
[17:19] <holstein> for example, making your user root like that would make you susceptible to simple attacks, like something you click in an email as "craig"
[17:19] <holstein> CraigyDavi: you can edit the users menu as the user
[17:19] <holstein> CraigyDavi: you shouldnt need sudo menulibre..
[17:19] <holstein> still, again, the mene editing doesnt overshadow the need for account isolation
[17:19] <holstein> menu*
[17:20] <CraigyDavi> Well some parts of it work, I can't delete items from the menu
[17:20] <CraigyDavi> Is it a bug or do I have to run a command beforehand?
[17:21] <holstein> CraigyDavi: i would be much more inclined to assist you in tracking down how to hide or delete menu items than to break the account permissions structure that would leave you vulnerable
[17:21] <holstein> CraigyDavi: i would need more detail, friend.. i dont use *any* menu.. so, i will need datails that i can try here, and help you with
[17:24] <CraigyDavi> Well I'm using the default menu and I'm guessing that I don't have permissions on the GUI application to delete items, they seem to be installed at /usr/share/applications/
[17:24] <CraigyDavi> Okay, I don't think I will be changing the account permissons then, it will probably be not the safest
[17:25] <holstein> !root
[17:26] <holstein> CraigyDavi: if you give your user root permissions, its the same as running things as root.. you *can* do this, as well as anything else you would like to do, but, its quite easily to research why its not advisable..
[17:26] <holstein> CraigyDavi: why delete? cant you just hide the items?
[17:27] <holstein> CraigyDavi: if you talk me through what you are doing, i'll try and reproduce.. you are in XFCE, you run menulibre? and try and remove things from the menu structure? correct?
[17:28] <CraigyDavi> Hmm yes actually I seem to be able to hide the items, but not remove them. It's not too much of a problem then.
[17:28] <CraigyDavi> Yep that's correct
[17:29] <holstein> CraigyDavi: just hide them.. no need to remove.. that will get you the results you want
[17:29] <holstein> !bug | CraigyDavi
[17:29] <elfy> I think I've seen other issues when people have sudo menulibre
[17:30] <holstein> if you feel that is a bug, and would prefer to be able to delete, create a bug report
[17:30] <holstein> i would not run the menu editor as root..
[17:30] <CraigyDavi> Thanks for your help, I'll see what I can do
[17:30] <holstein> CraigyDavi: in linux, you shouldnt run things as root trivially
[17:31] <elfy> I've also seen issues when something (pretty sure it was some wine app) wouldn't remove - had to find and remove the .desktop file for it
[17:43] <Derby> hey there folks! my Network Manager icon is missing, what should I do to fix it?
[17:43] <Derby> I've a history of terminal commands here
[17:44] <Derby> 1  sudosu     2  sudo su     3  sudo leafpad /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf     4  sudo su     5  jose \home     6  users \home     7  users /home     8  jose /home     9  clear    10  sudo su    11  rm .ICEauthority     12  rm .Xauthority     13  sudo usermod -aG dialout jose    14  sudo apt-get install arduino-core    15  sudo ./genymotion-2.3.0_x86.bin    16  sudo su    17  chmod a+x genymotion-2.3.0_x86.bin    18  sudo .//home/jose/Dow
[17:45] <holstein> Derby: i might start like this.. try the guest user account, and see if its there. then, if its there, i might try just starting the applet as my user.. in the terminal, "nm-applet"..
[17:45] <holstein> !paste | Derby
[17:46] <Derby> all right...
[17:46] <Derby> well, as a guest user, the icon appears normally
[17:47] <holstein> Derby: so, you can assume its not a larger system issue.. but, just something in the user account
[17:47] <Derby> on the terminal, I've received this message:  Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-ck7InqZXid: Connection refused
[17:47] <holstein> Derby: what would id do? just open a terminal and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and reboot if any kernel updates happen.. then, i would check again and see if the nm-applet is running
[17:48] <Derby> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9153055/
[17:49] <Derby> okey, I'll do that, thanks a lot!
[17:49] <helpmeout> Hello? I need help people I'm trying to make my usb flash drive bootable for my notebook and I need some step by step instructions because what I did before didn't really work
[17:49] <holstein> !install | helpmeout
[17:50] <holstein> helpmeout: depends on what you are on, but, in windows, you can use unetbootin easily to create a bootable USB for installation.. then, it will be up to the manufacturer of the hardware how and if you can boot the USB
[17:53] <helpmeout> I tried unetbootin yesterday but it didn't make my laptop boot, it said "missing "BOOTMGR" so I put it on the flash drive and restarted the laptop but then it had some error
[17:53] <n-iCe> worked for me
[17:53] <n-iCe> helpmeout: did you apt-get it or downloaded it?
[17:53] <holstein> helpmeout: "it" wont make the laptop boot.. its just makes a bootable USB stick.. its up to you and the hardware to boot it
[17:53] <helpmeout> What do you mean?
[17:54] <holstein> helpmeout: what i will do is take the stick to a box that i *know* boots USB, and test that it boots.. then, i know if its the stick or the machine
[17:54] <holstein> helpmeout: i mean, you dont know that its the stick that is not booting.. you are getting an error that could just as well be that the machine doesnt boot USB
[17:54] <helpmeout> Cause I used unetbootin and extracted the xubuntu iso on it
[17:54] <holstein> helpmeout: sure. and that "does what it does", but, it cant guarantee that hardware can boot it
[17:55] <holstein> helpmeout: what i would do is try it on a box that i *know* boots usb.. if the stick boots, then, i look at the bios settings on the machine that didnt boot it.. if the stick doesnt boot, i rebuild the stick
[17:56] <helpmeout> if it helps my notebook is a hp pavilion g6-1b7gcl(something like that)
[17:58] <holstein> helpmeout: it would be helpful if HP would let you know how to boot USB sticks on it
[17:58] <helpmeout> I tried reinstalling windows 7 Home Premium on it and it would work but then after removing the usb it'd freeze or say unable to boot please attach bootable drive or something
[17:58] <holstein> helpmeout: i would search, with the *exact* model #.. how to boot USB
[17:58] <helpmeout> Okay
[17:58] <holstein> helpmeout: if you have bad hareware, like a bad hard drive, linux wont "fix" that
[17:59] <helpmeout> How can I be sure its the hard drive?
[18:00] <Derby> hey there folks! unfortunately, network manager icon still isn't working
[18:00] <holstein> helpmeout: i personally test everything.. *if* you tried to install windows, and that failed due to a failing component (if that was the cause) then, linux wont be able to address that and install
[18:01] <holstein> helpmeout: i load a live iso, the installation iso.. and i use the memtest and smart tests to test the hard drive and memory.. a few hours later, i know what is going on with those 2 components
[18:01] <holstein> Derby: it *is* working.. just not in your user account, correct?
[18:02] <Derby> holstein: correct... actually, it even connects and everything, though the icon is missing
[18:02] <helpmeout> also I remember seeing on the installation instructions for xubuntu saying make sure the flash drive is formatted (which it is) and mounted. I don't quite understand, should I mount the iso to the usb?
[18:02] <holstein> Derby: then, no need to run sudo commands and re install components
[18:03] <holstein> Derby: i would open the terminal, and run "nm-applet" and share errors..
[18:03] <Derby> holstein: consider it done!
[18:03] <holstein> helpmeout: unetbootin creates the bootable media for you
[18:04] <helpmeout> and the torrent of xubuntu, should I extract it in a folder or leave it be?
[18:04] <holstein> helpmeout: its one of many tools that can do that.. i would take the stick you made that is not working on that computer to *another* computer that you *can* boot USB on.. then, you will know if the stick is the issue, or if the stick is fine, and its the hp machine
[18:04] <Derby> ** (nm-applet:3684): WARNING **: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-RpGARsCJ4K: Connection refused ^Cnm-applet-Message: PID 0 (we are 3684) sent signal 2, shutting down...  (nm-applet:3684): GLib-CRITICAL **: Source ID 197 was not found when attempting to remove it
[18:04] <holstein> helpmeout: you will use an iso
[18:04] <Derby> holstein: ** (nm-applet:3684): WARNING **: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-RpGARsCJ4K: Connection refused ^Cnm-applet-Message: PID 0 (we are 3684) sent signal 2, shutting down...  (nm-applet:3684): GLib-CRITICAL **: Source ID 197 was not found when attempting to remove it
[18:04] <holstein> !paste | Derby
[18:04] <Derby> holstein: sorry bro!
[18:05] <holstein> Derby: i would just move things from my users .hidden config files
[18:05] <helpmeout> so extract the iso torrent?
[18:05] <holstein> Derby: i will literally just move *everything* to another location, and reboot, and test.. then, i'll put back what i need.. if i dont want to bother isolating the cause
[18:05] <holstein> helpmeout: you want the iso, friend.. unetbootin wants the iso.. you need to make an iso.. you download, and point unetbootin to the iso
[18:06] <holstein> helpmeout: the torrent file is just that.. its just for the torrent downloader..
[18:06] <Derby> holstein: okey, I'll see how to do ti
[18:06] <holstein> helpmeout: the torrent file points the torrent downloaded to the iso to download.. you can do a direct iso download.. thats what i suggest
[18:07] <holstein> helpmeout: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/14.04/release/xubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
[18:07] <helpmeout> alright, but I just wanted to make sure I'm doing the right thing, so no need for extraction? right?
[18:07] <holstein> make the stick with unetbootin.. test it.. if it doesnt boot, test it on a box that you *know* boots USB
[18:07] <helpmeout> okay
[18:08] <holstein> helpmeout: i dont know what you have, friend.. if you dont have an iso, you need to extract what you have.. if its an iso, you dont need to extract the iso.. if its a torrent, you wont exract an iso from the torrent file..
[18:11] <Derby> holstein: sorry to bother, I just want to make sure I'll not do anything wrong, the command I use to move everything to another folder is "mv /path/subfolder/* /path/", isn't it?
[18:11] <holstein> Derby: why use a command?
[18:12] <holstein> Derby: why not literally open a file manager, and make a directory by right clicking called "backup of config" and just put everything in there..
[18:14] <Derby> holstein: it'd be fine, which is the folder containing *everything*, including the .hidden?
[18:15] <holstein> Derby: the deal is, this is *not* a fix.. what im proposing is, the "issue" is in the user's .hidden .configs somewhere..
[18:15] <holstein> Derby: this is one quick way to reset things, and get "fresh" default configs, and see.. you reboot, you get default settings.. you see if its working.. if it is, you *know* where the problem is/was
[18:16] <holstein> Derby: you can then put back whatever configs you need.. when you install something, such as firefox, there will be a .mozilla config file with the settings.. this issue will likely *not* be in .mozzilla, but probably in .config, or one for xfce, the GUI
[18:21] <Derby> holstein: I'm sorry, I got the idea, though  I don't realise where're these settings... that's the problem, I don't know what to backup
[18:21] <holstein> Derby: take the *entire* thing
[18:22] <SonikkuAmerica> Should I use the Unity indicator plugin instead of the system tray yet?
[18:22] <holstein> Derby: no need to delete anything. you can literally move .config out, and *save* it.. back it up as you please.. *then*, next time you login you'll get a default config
[18:22] <Derby> holstein: shall I move Fyle System to another folder?
[18:23] <holstein> Derby: im unaware of "fyls system" folder.. but *nothing* im saying requires root access
[18:23] <holstein> Derby: im literally talking about in your user's home *only*.. the .config directory is probably containing the issue..
[18:23] <holstein> Derby: dont delete it. just move it, or rename it.. call it .BAKconfig if you like
[18:25] <holstein> Derby: dont move or delete or do anything as root in my suggestion
[18:25] <Derby> holstein: now I got it now, you mean the 'home' folder, not the file system (i mistiped it there)
[18:26] <holstein> Derby: correct.. if you are doing something and it says "sudo password" or "you dont have permission", then you are doing it wrong
[18:26] <holstein> Derby: also, not the *entire* /home..
[18:26] <holstein> literally just ~/.config is where i would start.. and you can do it in the normal file manager, since you have permission to
[18:27] <holstein> i would move, rename, or save it to another location, and try restarting or relogging.. and test..
[18:28] <Derby> holstein: okey, got it! when you've said *everything* and .hidden, I thought it'd be also regarding file system, which access has been denied by the system anyway
[18:29] <holstein> Derby: if you see things are normal as another user, then, the issue is not in the system, or at least that is most likely.. so, no need to address the system for a fix
[18:29] <holstein> Derby: but, i see you have ran sudo commands that effect the network before, so, we will see..
[19:18] <tyrog> Hi, will this PPA have Xfce 4.12 backported packages for Trusty once it is released? https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xfce-4.12
[19:19] <holstein> tyrog: hmm.. i dont think so, and i think thats by definition.. the backports would go right to the distro repos, without the need for the ppa. so the ppa wont have the backports.. but, the same packages may be in both places.. is that what you are asking?
[19:21] <tyrog> holstein: Yes, that is more or less what I wanted to know. Because that PPA already has packages that are more recent than the ones supplied in 14.04 LTS
[19:22] <tyrog> I think they are the same as the ones that shipped with Xubuntu 14.10 actually
[19:25] <holstein> !ppa
[19:26] <tyrog> yes I know, but I use ppa-purge whenever something goes wrong
[19:26] <holstein> tyrog: likely.. and im not sure if and what it planned to be backported.. but, thats how that would happen. otherwise, 14.04 is "frozen"
[19:26] <holstein> tyrog: sure.. thats how i do it.. i was just linking the facts to be clear
[19:26] <tyrog> ok ok :) . By the way do you use the LTS or "normal" release?
[19:27] <holstein> depends... i just use which ever fits the need best
[19:28] <tyrog> what does that mean?
[19:28] <tyrog> xD
[19:30] <holstein> tyrog: if i need longer term support, i use LTS.. if i want/need newer packages, i use the newer one
[19:30] <tyrog> holstein: Do you upgrade to each new release each 6 months? Is it safe, doesn't break? I read bad stories about upgrades
[19:30] <tyrog> I suppose you wouldn't use the stable release for more than the supported 9 months
[19:31] <holstein> tyrog: i test upgrades.. fact: have a backup before doint *either*.. your hard drive *is* going to fail, so just plan for that failure, and everything will be fine regardless
[19:31] <holstein> tyrog: it depends
[19:31] <holstein> tyrog: if the machine is not online at all, and it fits a need, and its "out of the release cycle", and its basically an appliance, that is *never* online, or causing or getting security issues.. i dont care
[19:32] <holstein> otherwise, i'll just implement the LTS if i dont want to hassle with upgrades.. like, for someone else's machine.
[19:33] <holstein> i usually test that the upgrades work, and, on my machines, i conisder fresh install easier..
[20:04] <xubuntu71i> Hello friends
[20:04] <xubuntu71i> How can i encrypt my home folder after the install?
[20:22] <timvisher-xubunt> anyone know the status of the backlight controls bug?
[20:23] <timvisher-xubunt> found mention of it from February of this year https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=177616
[20:25] <holstein> timvisher-xubunt: could just be on your specific hardware.. is this something that is effecting your machine? are you using xbuntu?
[20:28] <timvisher-xubunt> holstein: yes. i'm using xubuntu and xfce
[20:29] <timvisher-xubunt> if i don't edit /etc/defaults/grub at all, i can appear to control the brightness (the indicator shows up in the upper righthand corner of the screen) but the actual brightness doesn't change
[20:29] <timvisher-xubunt> if i do edit grub and add acpi_backlight=vendor into the mix, the controls no longer show up
[20:30] <timvisher-xubunt> and i still get no backlight change
[20:30] <timvisher-xubunt> using xbacklight works, so that's a nice temporary solution
[20:30] <timvisher-xubunt> but it'd be great for the keys to work :)
[20:42] <timvisher-xubunt> holstein: this is the hardware http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MLKEK2G/
[20:43] <holstein> timvisher-xubunt: sure.. and it can be challenging and force compromise when you are not promised support for the operating system you are using.. do you have a bug at ubuntu?
[20:43] <holstein> !bug
[20:44] <timvisher-xubunt> i do not. confirming this is a bug and not a simple user error before filing one.
[20:44] <timvisher-xubunt> i'm pretty new to xubuntu and there's lots of knobs that i might have turned, intentionally or not. :)
[20:57] <holstein> timvisher-xubunt: i like to use live iso's to remove my config from the equation.. if you cant confirm on a live ISO, then, it may be config related
[20:58] <timvisher-xubunt> that's an interesting idea. i still have the stick i installed from. could easily boot from that
[20:59] <holstein> i'll test with those before installing, so i know what to expect.. i'll try the latest and the last LTS.. other distro kernels.. the upcoming releases.. whatever will give me an idea of how to support it, since, thats my reponsibility now that im running something that is not supported by the creators of the hardware
[21:23] <timvisher-xubunt> so the good news (?) is that booting on the USB stick produces the same behavior
[21:23] <timvisher-xubunt> so it's apparently not my config
[21:23] <holstein> i would try and see if you can start the bug, and get someone else with that hardware to reproduce the issue.. *if* there is not already a bug about it
[21:25] <timvisher-xubunt> i'm going to work my way through this first: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Debugging/Backlight#The_.2BAC8-sys.2BAC8-class.2BAC8-backlight_interface