| popey | \o/ http://hogsmeade.lieberbiber.de/appstorediff.xml | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Elleo | :) | 00:01 |
| popey | Elleo: http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-11-22-000149.png hmmm | 00:02 |
| popey | seems to have taken a cropped photo I gave it | 00:02 |
| popey | I mean, the photo is full size | 00:02 |
| popey | but it's showing the central 1/3rd | 00:02 |
| popey | haha, oh this gets better | 00:02 |
| Elleo | popey: it uses the full photo, it's just I display it filling the screen | 00:02 |
| popey | http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-11-22-000231.png | 00:02 |
| popey | my cat is _not_ a weasel | 00:02 |
| Elleo | heh | 00:02 |
| Elleo | close enough | 00:02 |
| popey | for government work.. | 00:02 |
| cwayne1 | popey: well, if i wanted to make you feel old, i'd point out your first computer is 7 years older than I am | 00:03 |
| SturmFlut | popey: I didn't expect that my server would become an integral part of the Ubuntu Touch infrastructure when I wrote that feed | 00:03 |
| Elleo | in the next version I might show a few more of its candidate suggestions, that can be extra fun | 00:03 |
| popey | SturmFlut: \o/ | 00:03 |
| Elleo | popey: e.g. it thinks my boat is a "limousine / canoe" | 00:03 |
| Elleo | which seems pretty accurate to me | 00:03 |
| popey | hahah, brilliant | 00:03 |
| popey | i think this could become quite the amusing meme app | 00:03 |
| Elleo | yeah, it's fun to play with | 00:04 |
| cwayne1 | SturmFlut: if you need a mirror or anything, let me know, I'd be happy to help | 00:04 |
| popey | "Avacado / BMW" | 00:04 |
| Elleo | I wouldn't rely on it to identify which mushrooms are edible though... | 00:04 |
| popey | SturmFlut: same here | 00:04 |
| SturmFlut | popey, cwayne1: Luckily i've already got the replacement hardware here. I hope 32 cores and 512 GB of RAM can handle the load. If not, I can always cluster a thousand Raspberry Pis. | 00:05 |
| popey | two would probably do ☻ | 00:05 |
| cwayne1 | SturmFlut: that escalated quickly :) | 00:06 |
| Elleo | heh | 00:06 |
| SturmFlut | popey: Mark predicted 200 million Ubuntu users in 2015, i am only realistic | 00:06 |
| popey | heh | 00:08 |
| popey | phone the electricity board, get them to spin up some hydro | 00:08 |
| popey | incoming! | 00:08 |
| popey | Elleo: did you ever figure out the issues you had back in malta with the stargazing app? | 00:09 |
| SturmFlut | popey: Nucular. It's pronounced, 'nucular'. | 00:10 |
| Elleo | popey: nope never got back to it, but I handed all the source to Mirco to play with in Washington, so he might do something more with it ;) | 00:10 |
| popey | I'll nag him :)_ | 00:11 |
| Elleo | heh | 00:11 |
| popey | He was one of the first people I spoke to at my very first UDS in Sevilla | 00:11 |
| Elleo | you need to find someone low level to nag about getting compass support in qtsensors working too for that ;) | 00:11 |
| popey | He showed me his Lowfat UI concepts on my touch screen laptop. | 00:12 |
| popey | noted | 00:12 |
| mzanetti | SturmFlut: https://github.com/Sturmflut/ubuntustorediff/pull/1 | 00:13 |
| mzanetti | popey: soon with pics ^ (given SturmFlut approves) | 00:13 |
| popey | oooh! | 00:14 |
| popey | served up from our infra, not his? | 00:14 |
| Elleo | mzanetti: neat | 00:14 |
| mzanetti | popey: well, so far I don't host anything. and my server isn't that powerful | 00:15 |
| SturmFlut | mzanetti: merged | 00:15 |
| mzanetti | awesomes | 00:15 |
| popey | sweet! | 00:15 |
| mzanetti | popey: I failed to add it in shorts though | 00:16 |
| popey | i used a tinurl ☻ | 00:16 |
| cwayne1 | should be a scope! | 00:16 |
| mzanetti | actually... can we have links to scopes in there? | 00:16 |
| * cwayne1 balmers SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES | 00:16 | |
| mzanetti | like scope://appstore/appid or something? | 00:16 |
| mzanetti | so tapping one would bring you to the store and install it | 00:17 |
| popey | that would be logical | 00:17 |
| mzanetti | cwayne1: do you know? | 00:18 |
| cwayne1 | mzanetti: there's not a scope:// url for it, there could be a ubuntu store uri for it perhaps (i dont know) | 00:20 |
| mzanetti | popey: so your cat is a weasel? | 00:26 |
| mzanetti | popey: you were lucky: http://i.imgur.com/HW9jtQ5.jpg | 00:26 |
| Elleo | heh | 00:26 |
| cwayne1 | man, i want a pet now | 00:26 |
| Elleo | I knew it was a bad idea to add smell sensors to the phone | 00:26 |
| mzanetti | :D | 00:26 |
| * SturmFlut goes to sleep | 00:27 | |
| mzanetti | o/ | 00:27 |
| popey | haha | 00:28 |
| mzanetti | totally off for the thing, but I guess the word is close enough :D http://i.imgur.com/EtP556n.jpg | 00:37 |
| mzanetti | funny app Elleo | 00:37 |
| Elleo | mzanetti: heh, somehow I suspect that drones weren't in the training set ;) | 00:37 |
| popey | what was? | 00:38 |
| popey | skunks and weasles, clearly | 00:38 |
| Elleo | popey: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/173317971/ImageNet.words <-- these things | 00:38 |
| mzanetti | Elleo: is the training material plain images or does it require some additional info? | 00:45 |
| Elleo | mzanetti: basically plain images plus a bit of metadata (like what they're images of) | 00:48 |
| mzanetti | Elleo: would be cool if users could enter the name and upload it | 00:48 |
| Elleo | mzanetti: there's details on the training process here: http://libccv.org/doc/doc-convnet/ (scroll down to "How to train my own classifier") | 00:48 |
| Elleo | mzanetti: yeah, that'd require me setting up a super beefy server for the training | 00:49 |
| mzanetti | yeah. I guess SturmFlut can help with his cluster of a million rpis :D | 00:50 |
| Elleo | mzanetti: and it'd have to be done in batches, since it's not really a continuous learning algorithm, you have to retrain the whole thing to add new data to it | 00:50 |
| Elleo | heh | 00:50 |
| mzanetti | I see | 00:50 |
| Elleo | mzanetti: next thing I might do is make an OpenTLD app, that's a continuous learning algorithm for tracking stuff | 00:51 |
| mzanetti | ever since I played Akinator once I can't stop thinking about how to build up such a database | 00:51 |
| Elleo | oh, looks like OpenTLD has been superceded by this now: http://www.gnebehay.com/cmt/ | 00:52 |
| Elleo | that should be fun to play with | 00:53 |
| mzanetti | Elleo: that OpenTLD thing might be useful for the camera app | 00:53 |
| Elleo | mzanetti: yeah | 00:53 |
| Elleo | there's lots of nifty computer vision and image processing libs we could be making use of for fancy things | 00:53 |
| Elleo | I want to try putting together an Ubuntu Touch robotics kit at some point | 00:54 |
| Elleo | that'd be fun | 00:54 |
| mzanetti | oh yeah | 00:54 |
| * popey ensleepens | 00:54 | |
| Elleo | plus I could include my AI learning library, and force people to use it :P | 00:54 |
| popey | nn chaps | 00:54 |
| Elleo | night popey :) | 00:54 |
| === LarrySteeze|Away is now known as LarrySteeze | ||
| mzanetti | good night | 00:57 |
| === LarrySteeze is now known as LarrySteeze|Away | ||
| ahoneybun | hello all | 05:11 |
| ahoneybun | wait | 05:11 |
| ahoneybun | hello all | 05:24 |
| ahoneybun | popey: imgur.com/KUWSD7D | 06:19 |
| ^Manu | wow, lots of people/ | 07:28 |
| ^Manu | i'm wondering... need to buy a new phone. does anyone have any realistic estimates of ubuntu-touch release dates? it seems to have slipped past the dates written all over the net. | 07:29 |
| ^Manu | also, is it known whether both mx4 versions will be supported? or just the pro/'amateur'? | 07:30 |
| ^Manu | i'm considering to get an mx4, or just get a nexus if it's all still some time away... | 07:31 |
| ^Manu | hmm, lively place :) | 07:46 |
| ^Manu | i wonder if this is any reflection on the late launch date ;) | 07:46 |
| ahoneybun | hey ^Manu | 07:47 |
| anpok_ | ^Manu: what dates have been written? | 07:50 |
| willcooke | Plugging my phone in to my laptop via USB should "just work" right? In so much as I should see some kind of mass storage device on to which I can copy music or whatever? | 11:12 |
| ogra_ | willcooke, it should pop uo a nautilus window (unless you disabled that) | 11:16 |
| willcooke | ogra_, Then I've broken something, cos it's not doing that. | 11:34 |
| willcooke | oh | 11:34 |
| willcooke | I wonder | 11:34 |
| willcooke | nope | 11:34 |
| willcooke | I thought I might have dev. mode on, but I dont | 11:35 |
| ogra_ | dev mode shouldnt influence MTP behavior | 11:36 |
| * willcooke tries a different USB cable | 11:36 | |
| ogra_ | your PC should definitely show a device in the unity launcher | 11:36 |
| ogra_ | what device/channel ? | 11:37 |
| willcooke | ogra_, reboot laptop - no change | 11:43 |
| willcooke | rebooting phone now | 11:43 |
| ogra_ | what are you running on the laptop | 11:43 |
| ogra_ | works fine here on utopic | 11:44 |
| willcooke | 14.04 | 11:44 |
| willcooke | trusty | 11:44 |
| ogra_ | thats what i run on my desktop ... works fine there too | 11:44 |
| ogra_ | very weird | 11:44 |
| willcooke | ah | 11:44 |
| willcooke | do I have to have an sd card in the phone? | 11:44 |
| ogra_ | no | 11:45 |
| willcooke | ok, laptop *is* seeing device | 11:45 |
| willcooke | but | 11:45 |
| willcooke | Nov 22 11:45:35 malfunctioning-eddie mtp-probe: bus: 1, device: 14 was not an MTP device | 11:45 |
| ogra_ | wow, file a bug please ... looks like the mtp server didnt start | 11:46 |
| willcooke | will do, thanks a lot ogra_ | 11:46 |
| ogra_ | not sure how that could happen since it works here (and did for QA when testing yesterday) | 11:46 |
| willcooke | I'm special ;) | 11:47 |
| willcooke | ogra_, what should I file the bug against in LP? wiki says not against ubuntu-touch | 11:50 |
| ogra_ | mtp | 11:50 |
| willcooke | ogra_, got it - thanks | 11:50 |
| willcooke | mtp doesnt have bugs in LP | 11:51 |
| willcooke | wait | 11:51 |
| willcooke | yes it does | 11:51 |
| willcooke | ignore | 11:51 |
| ogra_ | :) | 11:51 |
| popey | willcooke: i put all my music on an sd card, that way i can reflash the phone clean and know it's all still there | 12:06 |
| popey | also more space | 12:06 |
| * popey adds 32GB SD Cards to amazon wishlist | 12:06 | |
| willcooke | popey, well - that's quite interesting, because that's exactly what I wanted to do | 12:07 |
| popey | heh | 12:07 |
| willcooke | True story: | 12:07 |
| popey | does it show up after a phone reboot? | 12:07 |
| willcooke | I set up a VM with windows on so I could installed iTunes, so that I could sync wirelessly to my phone | 12:07 |
| popey | you know you have to pin unlock the phone to show up the mtp stuff? | 12:07 |
| willcooke | popey, I didn't, but that doesn't make any difference. Also we should make that clear, it's non-obvious (to me at least) | 12:08 |
| willcooke | so anyway | 12:08 |
| willcooke | Installed iTunes. synced my phone with a cable, everything working | 12:09 |
| willcooke | go wireless | 12:09 |
| willcooke | doesnt work | 12:09 |
| willcooke | just craps out all the time, | 12:09 |
| popey | itunes.... | 12:09 |
| willcooke | and playing music from the shared itunes library also doesnt work | 12:09 |
| popey | you're talking iphones? | 12:09 |
| willcooke | yeah | 12:09 |
| popey | ahhh | 12:09 |
| willcooke | So that's it | 12:09 |
| willcooke | I'm done with Apple now | 12:09 |
| popey | hah | 12:09 |
| willcooke | I thought it might be nice, but it's crappy unless you have Apple everything | 12:10 |
| popey | ya | 12:10 |
| willcooke | I'm going to look at building a plug in for Rhythmbox to sync with Ubuntu phone over wifi. | 12:10 |
| willcooke | because I can | 12:10 |
| willcooke | Go freedom | 12:10 |
| popey | I hear from the youth that they don't generally put music on their devices but stream from online sources | 12:12 |
| willcooke | yeah, but that costs money. I could make it at home for nothing | 12:12 |
| willcooke | Principals, | 12:12 |
| willcooke | very very narrow principals | 12:13 |
| * popey sees ogra spam in his inbox | 12:13 | |
| willcooke | here's a good one for you... how do I test the battery in my multimeter? | 12:13 |
| ogra_ | haha | 12:13 |
| ogra_ | updating all my apps to proper frameworks :) | 12:13 |
| ogra_ | ... and the right categories | 12:14 |
| ogra_ | ogra_k, foo | 12:35 |
| ogra_ | hah, notifications work in kiwirc ... nice | 12:35 |
| popey | popeyk: yo | 12:37 |
| popey | popeyk: yo | 12:37 |
| popey | nice! | 12:38 |
| * ogra_ updates the app to drop the hearder and default to #ubuntu-touch | 12:38 | |
| popey | make a webapp in the store that comes directly here ☻ | 12:38 |
| ogra_ | *header | 12:38 |
| ogra_ | popey, there is one ... since ages ;) | 12:38 |
| popey | hah | 12:38 |
| ogra_ | i'm just updatin it | 12:38 |
| popey | only available in germany? ☻ | 12:38 |
| popey | http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/graph.png | 12:39 |
| popey | downward yesterday as we lost some fake paid apps i think | 12:39 |
| ogra_ | and updated ... | 12:39 |
| popey | then back up again as everyone uploaded new scopes and stuff | 12:40 |
| ogra_ | "only available" isnt set | 12:42 |
| ogra_ | you should see it in the store | 12:42 |
| ogra_ | hmm | 12:43 |
| ogra_ | doesnt show in communications ... where it should be | 12:43 |
| ogra_ | but a search finds it | 12:43 |
| popey | what's it called? | 12:43 |
| ogra_ | kiwi | 12:45 |
| ogra_ | well, kiwi irc | 12:45 |
| ogra_ | but kiwi should find it | 12:45 |
| ogra_ | i dont get why it doesnt show in the category | 12:45 |
| ogra_ | hmm, the freenode app doesnt show in the category either | 13:01 |
| ogra-f | freenode app works too :) | 13:08 |
| * ogra_ uploads update | 13:10 | |
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| * ogra_ sighs ... 3rd session crash today | 14:21 | |
| popey | ogra_: ever in a state where apps won't start? | 14:31 |
| popey | shorts and music (and others) just sit at the spinner | 14:31 |
| ogra_ | popey, yeah | 14:31 |
| popey | hmm | 14:31 |
| popey | reckon we have a bug for it? | 14:31 |
| ogra_ | i had that one twice and just now the whole session restarted under my finge | 14:31 |
| ogra_ | r | 14:31 |
| ogra_ | well, kind of | 14:32 |
| ogra_ | bug 1394919 | 14:32 |
| ubot5 | bug 1394919 in cgmanager (Ubuntu RTM) "constant crash in trying to collect info for recoverable error" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1394919 | 14:32 |
| popey | on my phone right now it freezes up for .5s every so often | 14:32 |
| popey | like when unlocking | 14:32 |
| ogra_ | most likely apport is running | 14:33 |
| ogra_ | but thats only fallout ... cgmanager has issues ... but apport cant collect info about it | 14:33 |
| popey | no, nothing is running | 14:36 |
| popey | haha, where'd that popeyk come from! | 14:36 |
| popey | oxide is allowed to run in the background? | 14:36 |
| popey | my phone has been locked for ages, and that guy was still connected? | 14:36 |
| popeyk | Odd | 14:37 |
| popeyk | still running | 14:37 |
| ogra_ | well, it somehow got foregrounded | 14:55 |
| ogra_ | kiwi reconnects automatically | 14:55 |
| pindonga | hi .. I'm trying to install ubuntu touch on my nexus 7.. I'm following the instructions from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation | 15:12 |
| pindonga | I've managed to install the dual boot app, but I can't find a utopic channel | 15:13 |
| pindonga | it only lists trusty and some variants of it | 15:13 |
| pindonga | is that bc my laptop (from where I run the dualboot.sh script) is running trusty? | 15:13 |
| Tassadar | pindonga: Nexzs 7 (2012) is no longer supported, so newer utopic builds are not available for it | 15:14 |
| pindonga | what's the best channel to use, and how can I select it if it's not in the list? | 15:14 |
| pindonga | mhh | 15:14 |
| pindonga | Tassadar, so what are my choices here? use trusty image (possibly quite outdated and potentially broken?) or not use ubuntu touch at all? | 15:15 |
| Tassadar | yeah, pretty much | 15:16 |
| pindonga | :/ | 15:16 |
| pindonga | thx Tassadar | 15:16 |
| pindonga | Tassadar, in the case I had a supported nexus 7 (2013 I guess) | 15:17 |
| pindonga | would utopic be the right channel to use? | 15:17 |
| pindonga | for a 'stable' experience | 15:18 |
| Tassadar | yes | 15:19 |
| Tassadar | although ubuntu-rtm and vivid-proposed channels are newer, I'd probably use ubuntu-rtm (no vivid-proposed passed QA yet) | 15:20 |
| cwayne1 | ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09 is the most stable | 16:00 |
| pngo_ | why I can't edit sources.list | 18:11 |
| nhaines | pngo_: the root file system is read-only and not meant to be modified. | 19:02 |
| nhaines | You can enable read-write mode, but then you won't be able to update the phone again. | 19:02 |
| pngo_ | nhaines, I've tried phablet-config writable-image but I get command not found. Do you know other way? | 19:25 |
| nhaines | pngo_: that's the only way. You have to reboot after, I think, but that should do it. You can probably just create the right file at the right place, but I forget what it is now. | 19:40 |
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| popey | pngo_: nhaines /userdata/.writable_image | 20:06 |
| popey | pngo_: i usually just do this:- | 20:06 |
| popey | adb shell | 20:07 |
| popey | sudo touch /userdata/.writable_image | 20:07 |
| popey | sudo mount -o remount,rw / | 20:07 |
| cwayne | \o/ submitted new untappd scope to the store | 21:46 |
| cwayne | now just need someone to review it and let it in :P | 21:47 |
| cwayne | cough cough popey | 21:49 |
| cwayne | popey: so i got an untappd webapp working with account-plugins \o/ | 22:14 |
| pngo_ | I have another problem I wrote some scripts and I can execute them via adb but can not via terminal | 22:37 |
| pngo_ | I get /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied | 22:39 |
| pngo_ | also I can not execute them as sudo | 23:17 |
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