[00:00] <popey> \o/ http://hogsmeade.lieberbiber.de/appstorediff.xml
[00:01] <Elleo> :)
[00:02] <popey> Elleo: http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-11-22-000149.png hmmm
[00:02] <popey> seems to have taken a cropped photo I gave it
[00:02] <popey> I mean, the photo is full size
[00:02] <popey> but it's showing the central 1/3rd
[00:02] <popey> haha, oh this gets better
[00:02] <Elleo> popey: it uses the full photo, it's just I display it filling the screen
[00:02] <popey> http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-11-22-000231.png
[00:02] <popey> my cat is _not_ a weasel
[00:02] <Elleo> heh
[00:02] <Elleo> close enough
[00:02] <popey> for government work..
[00:03] <cwayne1> popey: well, if i wanted to make you feel old, i'd point out your first computer is 7 years older than I am
[00:03] <SturmFlut> popey: I didn't expect that my server would become an integral part of the Ubuntu Touch infrastructure when I wrote that feed
[00:03] <Elleo> in the next version I might show a few more of its candidate suggestions, that can be extra fun
[00:03] <popey> SturmFlut: \o/
[00:03] <Elleo> popey: e.g. it thinks my boat is a "limousine / canoe"
[00:03] <Elleo> which seems pretty accurate to me
[00:03] <popey> hahah, brilliant
[00:03] <popey> i think this could become quite the amusing meme app
[00:04] <Elleo> yeah, it's fun to play with
[00:04] <cwayne1> SturmFlut: if you need a mirror or anything, let me know, I'd be happy to help
[00:04] <popey> "Avacado / BMW"
[00:04] <Elleo> I wouldn't rely on it to identify which mushrooms are edible though...
[00:04] <popey> SturmFlut: same here
[00:05] <SturmFlut> popey, cwayne1: Luckily i've already got the replacement hardware here. I hope 32 cores and 512 GB of RAM can handle the load. If not, I can always cluster a thousand Raspberry Pis.
[00:05] <popey> two would probably do ☻
[00:06] <cwayne1> SturmFlut: that escalated quickly :)
[00:06] <Elleo> heh
[00:06] <SturmFlut> popey: Mark predicted 200 million Ubuntu users in 2015, i am only realistic
[00:08] <popey> heh
[00:08] <popey> phone the electricity board, get them to spin up some hydro
[00:08] <popey> incoming!
[00:09] <popey> Elleo: did you ever figure out the issues you had back in malta with the stargazing app?
[00:10] <SturmFlut> popey: Nucular. It's pronounced, 'nucular'.
[00:10] <Elleo> popey: nope never got back to it, but I handed all the source to Mirco to play with in Washington, so he might do something more with it ;)
[00:11] <popey> I'll nag him :)_
[00:11] <Elleo> heh
[00:11] <popey> He was one of the first people I spoke to at my very first UDS in Sevilla
[00:11] <Elleo> you need to find someone low level to nag about getting compass support in qtsensors working too for that ;)
[00:12] <popey> He showed me his Lowfat UI concepts on my touch screen laptop.
[00:12] <popey> noted
[00:13] <mzanetti> SturmFlut: https://github.com/Sturmflut/ubuntustorediff/pull/1
[00:13] <mzanetti> popey: soon with pics ^ (given SturmFlut approves)
[00:14] <popey> oooh!
[00:14] <popey> served up from our infra, not his?
[00:14] <Elleo> mzanetti: neat
[00:15] <mzanetti> popey: well, so far I don't host anything. and my server isn't that powerful
[00:15] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: merged
[00:15] <mzanetti> awesomes
[00:15] <popey> sweet!
[00:16] <mzanetti> popey: I failed to add it in shorts though
[00:16] <popey> i used a tinurl ☻
[00:16] <cwayne1> should be a scope!
[00:16] <mzanetti> actually... can we have links to scopes in there?
[00:16]  * cwayne1 balmers SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES
[00:16] <mzanetti> like scope://appstore/appid or something?
[00:17] <mzanetti> so tapping one would bring you to the store and install it
[00:17] <popey> that would be logical
[00:18] <mzanetti> cwayne1: do you know?
[00:20] <cwayne1> mzanetti: there's not a scope:// url for it, there could be a ubuntu store uri for it perhaps (i dont know)
[00:26] <mzanetti> popey: so your cat is a weasel?
[00:26] <mzanetti> popey: you were lucky: http://i.imgur.com/HW9jtQ5.jpg
[00:26] <Elleo> heh
[00:26] <cwayne1> man, i want a pet now
[00:26] <Elleo> I knew it was a bad idea to add smell sensors to the phone
[00:26] <mzanetti> :D
[00:27]  * SturmFlut goes to sleep
[00:27] <mzanetti> o/
[00:28] <popey> haha
[00:37] <mzanetti> totally off for the thing, but I guess the word is close enough :D http://i.imgur.com/EtP556n.jpg
[00:37] <mzanetti> funny app Elleo
[00:37] <Elleo> mzanetti: heh, somehow I suspect that drones weren't in the training set ;)
[00:38] <popey> what was?
[00:38] <popey> skunks and weasles, clearly
[00:38] <Elleo> popey: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/173317971/ImageNet.words <-- these things
[00:45] <mzanetti> Elleo: is the training material plain images or does it require some additional info?
[00:48] <Elleo> mzanetti: basically plain images plus a bit of metadata (like what they're images of)
[00:48] <mzanetti> Elleo: would be cool if users could enter the name and upload it
[00:48] <Elleo> mzanetti: there's details on the training process here: http://libccv.org/doc/doc-convnet/ (scroll down to "How to train my own classifier")
[00:49] <Elleo> mzanetti: yeah, that'd require me setting up a super beefy server for the training
[00:50] <mzanetti> yeah. I guess SturmFlut can help with his cluster of a million rpis :D
[00:50] <Elleo> mzanetti: and it'd have to be done in batches, since it's not really a continuous learning algorithm, you have to retrain the whole thing to add new data to it
[00:50] <Elleo> heh
[00:50] <mzanetti> I see
[00:51] <Elleo> mzanetti: next thing I might do is make an OpenTLD app, that's a continuous learning algorithm for tracking stuff
[00:51] <mzanetti> ever since I played Akinator once I can't stop thinking about how to build up such a database
[00:52] <Elleo> oh, looks like OpenTLD has been superceded by this now: http://www.gnebehay.com/cmt/
[00:53] <Elleo> that should be fun to play with
[00:53] <mzanetti> Elleo: that OpenTLD thing might be useful for the camera app
[00:53] <Elleo> mzanetti: yeah
[00:53] <Elleo> there's lots of nifty computer vision and image processing libs we could be making use of for fancy things
[00:54] <Elleo> I want to try putting together an Ubuntu Touch robotics kit at some point
[00:54] <Elleo> that'd be fun
[00:54] <mzanetti> oh yeah
[00:54]  * popey ensleepens
[00:54] <Elleo> plus I could include my AI learning library, and force people to use it :P
[00:54] <popey> nn chaps
[00:54] <Elleo> night popey :)
[00:57] <mzanetti> good night
[05:11] <ahoneybun> hello all
[05:11] <ahoneybun> wait
[05:24] <ahoneybun> hello all
[06:19] <ahoneybun> popey: imgur.com/KUWSD7D
[07:28] <^Manu> wow, lots of people/
[07:29] <^Manu> i'm wondering... need to buy a new phone. does anyone have any realistic estimates of ubuntu-touch release dates? it seems to have slipped past the dates written all over the net.
[07:30] <^Manu> also, is it known whether both mx4 versions will be supported? or just the pro/'amateur'?
[07:31] <^Manu> i'm considering to get an mx4, or just get a nexus if it's all still some time away...
[07:46] <^Manu> hmm, lively place :)
[07:46] <^Manu> i wonder if this is any reflection on the late launch date ;)
[07:47] <ahoneybun> hey ^Manu
[07:50] <anpok_> ^Manu: what dates have been written?
[11:12] <willcooke> Plugging my phone in to my laptop via USB should "just work" right?  In so much as I should see some kind of mass storage device on to which I can copy music or whatever?
[11:16] <ogra_> willcooke, it should pop uo a nautilus window (unless you disabled that)
[11:34] <willcooke> ogra_, Then I've broken something, cos it's not doing that.
[11:34] <willcooke> oh
[11:34] <willcooke> I wonder
[11:34] <willcooke> nope
[11:35] <willcooke> I thought I might have dev. mode on, but I dont
[11:36] <ogra_> dev mode shouldnt influence MTP behavior
[11:36]  * willcooke tries a different USB cable
[11:36] <ogra_> your PC should definitely show a device in the unity launcher
[11:37] <ogra_> what device/channel ?
[11:43] <willcooke> ogra_, reboot laptop - no change
[11:43] <willcooke> rebooting phone now
[11:43] <ogra_> what are you running on the laptop
[11:44] <ogra_> works fine here on utopic
[11:44] <willcooke> 14.04
[11:44] <willcooke> trusty
[11:44] <ogra_> thats what i run on my desktop ... works fine there too
[11:44] <ogra_> very weird
[11:44] <willcooke> ah
[11:44] <willcooke> do I have to have an sd card in the phone?
[11:45] <ogra_> no
[11:45] <willcooke> ok, laptop  *is* seeing device
[11:45] <willcooke> but
[11:45] <willcooke> Nov 22 11:45:35 malfunctioning-eddie mtp-probe: bus: 1, device: 14 was not an MTP device
[11:46] <ogra_> wow, file a bug please ... looks like the mtp server didnt start
[11:46] <willcooke> will do, thanks a lot ogra_
[11:46] <ogra_> not sure how that could happen since it works here (and did for QA when testing yesterday)
[11:47] <willcooke> I'm special ;)
[11:50] <willcooke> ogra_, what should I file the bug against in LP?  wiki says not against ubuntu-touch
[11:50] <ogra_> mtp
[11:50] <willcooke> ogra_, got it - thanks
[11:51] <willcooke> mtp doesnt have bugs in LP
[11:51] <willcooke> wait
[11:51] <willcooke> yes it does
[11:51] <willcooke> ignore
[11:51] <ogra_> :)
[12:06] <popey> willcooke: i put all my music on an sd card, that way i can reflash the phone clean and know it's all still there
[12:06] <popey> also more space
[12:06]  * popey adds 32GB SD Cards to amazon wishlist
[12:07] <willcooke> popey, well - that's quite interesting, because that's exactly what I wanted to do
[12:07] <popey> heh
[12:07] <willcooke> True story:
[12:07] <popey> does it show up after a phone reboot?
[12:07] <willcooke> I set up a VM with windows on so I could installed iTunes, so that I could sync wirelessly to my phone
[12:07] <popey> you know you have to pin unlock the phone to show up the mtp stuff?
[12:08] <willcooke> popey, I didn't, but that doesn't make any difference.  Also we should make that clear, it's non-obvious (to me at least)
[12:08] <willcooke> so anyway
[12:09] <willcooke> Installed iTunes.  synced my phone with a cable, everything working
[12:09] <willcooke> go wireless
[12:09] <willcooke> doesnt work
[12:09] <willcooke> just craps out all the time,
[12:09] <popey> itunes....
[12:09] <willcooke> and playing music from the shared itunes library also doesnt work
[12:09] <popey> you're talking iphones?
[12:09] <willcooke> yeah
[12:09] <popey> ahhh
[12:09] <willcooke> So that's it
[12:09] <willcooke> I'm done with Apple now
[12:09] <popey> hah
[12:10] <willcooke> I thought it might be nice, but it's crappy unless you have Apple everything
[12:10] <popey> ya
[12:10] <willcooke> I'm going to look at building a plug in for Rhythmbox to sync with Ubuntu phone over wifi.
[12:10] <willcooke> because I can
[12:10] <willcooke> Go freedom
[12:12] <popey> I hear from the youth that they don't generally put music on their devices but stream from online sources
[12:12] <willcooke> yeah, but that costs money.  I could make it at home for nothing
[12:12] <willcooke> Principals,
[12:13] <willcooke> very very narrow principals
[12:13]  * popey sees ogra spam in his inbox
[12:13] <willcooke> here's a good one for you... how do I test the battery in my multimeter?
[12:13] <ogra_> haha
[12:13] <ogra_> updating all my apps to proper frameworks :)
[12:14] <ogra_> ... and the right categories
[12:35] <ogra_> ogra_k, foo
[12:35] <ogra_> hah, notifications work in kiwirc ... nice
[12:37] <popey> popeyk: yo
[12:37] <popey> popeyk: yo
[12:38] <popey> nice!
[12:38]  * ogra_ updates the app to drop the hearder and default to #ubuntu-touch
[12:38] <popey> make a webapp in the store that comes directly here ☻
[12:38] <ogra_> *header
[12:38] <ogra_> popey, there is one ... since ages ;)
[12:38] <popey> hah
[12:38] <ogra_> i'm just updatin it
[12:38] <popey> only available in germany? ☻
[12:39] <popey> http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/graph.png
[12:39] <popey> downward yesterday as we lost some fake paid apps i think
[12:39] <ogra_> and updated ...
[12:40] <popey> then back up again as everyone uploaded new scopes and stuff
[12:42] <ogra_> "only available" isnt set
[12:42] <ogra_> you should see it in the store
[12:43] <ogra_> hmm
[12:43] <ogra_> doesnt show in communications ... where it should be
[12:43] <ogra_> but a search finds it
[12:43] <popey> what's it called?
[12:45] <ogra_> kiwi
[12:45] <ogra_> well, kiwi irc
[12:45] <ogra_> but kiwi should find it
[12:45] <ogra_> i dont get why it doesnt show in the category
[13:01] <ogra_> hmm, the freenode app doesnt show in the category either
[13:08] <ogra-f> freenode app works too :)
[13:10]  * ogra_ uploads update
[14:21]  * ogra_ sighs ... 3rd session crash today 
[14:31] <popey> ogra_: ever in a state where apps won't start?
[14:31] <popey> shorts and music (and others) just sit at the spinner
[14:31] <ogra_> popey, yeah
[14:31] <popey> hmm
[14:31] <popey> reckon we have a bug for it?
[14:31] <ogra_> i had that one twice and just now the whole session restarted under my finge
[14:31] <ogra_> r
[14:32] <ogra_> well, kind of
[14:32] <ogra_> bug 1394919
[14:32] <popey> on my phone right now it freezes up for .5s every so often
[14:32] <popey> like when unlocking
[14:33] <ogra_> most likely apport is running
[14:33] <ogra_> but thats only fallout ... cgmanager has issues ... but apport cant collect info about it
[14:36] <popey> no, nothing is running
[14:36] <popey> haha, where'd that popeyk come from!
[14:36] <popey> oxide is allowed to run in the background?
[14:36] <popey> my phone has been locked for ages, and that guy was still connected?
[14:37] <popeyk> Odd
[14:37] <popeyk> still running
[14:55] <ogra_> well, it somehow got foregrounded
[14:55] <ogra_> kiwi reconnects automatically
[15:12] <pindonga> hi .. I'm trying to install ubuntu touch on my nexus 7.. I'm following the instructions from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation
[15:13] <pindonga> I've managed to install the dual boot app, but I can't find a utopic channel
[15:13] <pindonga> it only lists trusty and some variants of it
[15:13] <pindonga> is that bc my laptop (from where I run the dualboot.sh script) is running trusty?
[15:14] <Tassadar> pindonga: Nexzs 7 (2012) is no longer supported, so newer utopic builds are not available for it
[15:14] <pindonga> what's the best channel to use, and how can I select it if it's not in the list?
[15:14] <pindonga> mhh
[15:15] <pindonga> Tassadar, so what are my choices here? use trusty image (possibly quite outdated and potentially broken?) or not use ubuntu touch at all?
[15:16] <Tassadar> yeah, pretty much
[15:16] <pindonga> :/
[15:16] <pindonga> thx Tassadar
[15:17] <pindonga> Tassadar, in the case I had a supported nexus 7 (2013 I guess)
[15:17] <pindonga> would utopic be the right channel to use?
[15:18] <pindonga> for a 'stable' experience
[15:19] <Tassadar> yes
[15:20] <Tassadar> although ubuntu-rtm and vivid-proposed channels are newer, I'd probably use ubuntu-rtm (no vivid-proposed passed QA yet)
[16:00] <cwayne1> ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09 is the most stable
[18:11] <pngo_> why I can't edit sources.list
[19:02] <nhaines> pngo_: the root file system is read-only and not meant to be modified.
[19:02] <nhaines> You can enable read-write mode, but then you won't be able to update the phone again.
[19:25] <pngo_> nhaines, I've tried phablet-config writable-image but I get command not found. Do you know other way?
[19:40] <nhaines> pngo_: that's the only way. You have to reboot after, I think, but that should do it.  You can probably just create the right file at the right place, but I forget what it is now.
[20:06] <popey> pngo_: nhaines /userdata/.writable_image
[20:06] <popey> pngo_: i usually just do this:-
[20:07] <popey> adb shell
[20:07] <popey> sudo touch /userdata/.writable_image
[20:07] <popey> sudo mount -o remount,rw /
[21:46] <cwayne> \o/ submitted new untappd scope to the store
[21:47] <cwayne> now just need someone to review it and let it in :P
[21:49] <cwayne> cough cough popey
[22:14] <cwayne> popey: so i got an untappd webapp working with account-plugins \o/
[22:37] <pngo_> I have another problem I wrote some scripts and I can execute them via adb but can not via terminal
[22:39] <pngo_> I get /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[23:17] <pngo_> also I can not execute them as sudo