[00:00] \o/ http://hogsmeade.lieberbiber.de/appstorediff.xml [00:01] :) [00:02] Elleo: http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-11-22-000149.png hmmm [00:02] seems to have taken a cropped photo I gave it [00:02] I mean, the photo is full size [00:02] but it's showing the central 1/3rd [00:02] haha, oh this gets better [00:02] popey: it uses the full photo, it's just I display it filling the screen [00:02] http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-11-22-000231.png [00:02] my cat is _not_ a weasel [00:02] heh [00:02] close enough [00:02] for government work.. [00:03] popey: well, if i wanted to make you feel old, i'd point out your first computer is 7 years older than I am [00:03] popey: I didn't expect that my server would become an integral part of the Ubuntu Touch infrastructure when I wrote that feed [00:03] in the next version I might show a few more of its candidate suggestions, that can be extra fun [00:03] SturmFlut: \o/ [00:03] popey: e.g. it thinks my boat is a "limousine / canoe" [00:03] which seems pretty accurate to me [00:03] hahah, brilliant [00:03] i think this could become quite the amusing meme app [00:04] yeah, it's fun to play with [00:04] SturmFlut: if you need a mirror or anything, let me know, I'd be happy to help [00:04] "Avacado / BMW" [00:04] I wouldn't rely on it to identify which mushrooms are edible though... [00:04] SturmFlut: same here [00:05] popey, cwayne1: Luckily i've already got the replacement hardware here. I hope 32 cores and 512 GB of RAM can handle the load. If not, I can always cluster a thousand Raspberry Pis. [00:05] two would probably do ☻ [00:06] SturmFlut: that escalated quickly :) [00:06] heh [00:06] popey: Mark predicted 200 million Ubuntu users in 2015, i am only realistic [00:08] heh [00:08] phone the electricity board, get them to spin up some hydro [00:08] incoming! [00:09] Elleo: did you ever figure out the issues you had back in malta with the stargazing app? [00:10] popey: Nucular. It's pronounced, 'nucular'. [00:10] popey: nope never got back to it, but I handed all the source to Mirco to play with in Washington, so he might do something more with it ;) [00:11] I'll nag him :)_ [00:11] heh [00:11] He was one of the first people I spoke to at my very first UDS in Sevilla [00:11] you need to find someone low level to nag about getting compass support in qtsensors working too for that ;) [00:12] He showed me his Lowfat UI concepts on my touch screen laptop. [00:12] noted [00:13] SturmFlut: https://github.com/Sturmflut/ubuntustorediff/pull/1 [00:13] popey: soon with pics ^ (given SturmFlut approves) [00:14] oooh! [00:14] served up from our infra, not his? [00:14] mzanetti: neat [00:15] popey: well, so far I don't host anything. and my server isn't that powerful [00:15] mzanetti: merged [00:15] awesomes [00:15] sweet! [00:16] popey: I failed to add it in shorts though [00:16] i used a tinurl ☻ [00:16] should be a scope! [00:16] actually... can we have links to scopes in there? [00:16] * cwayne1 balmers SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES SCOPES [00:16] like scope://appstore/appid or something? [00:17] so tapping one would bring you to the store and install it [00:17] that would be logical [00:18] cwayne1: do you know? [00:20] mzanetti: there's not a scope:// url for it, there could be a ubuntu store uri for it perhaps (i dont know) [00:26] popey: so your cat is a weasel? [00:26] popey: you were lucky: http://i.imgur.com/HW9jtQ5.jpg [00:26] heh [00:26] man, i want a pet now [00:26] I knew it was a bad idea to add smell sensors to the phone [00:26] :D [00:27] * SturmFlut goes to sleep [00:27] o/ [00:28] haha [00:37] totally off for the thing, but I guess the word is close enough :D http://i.imgur.com/EtP556n.jpg [00:37] funny app Elleo [00:37] mzanetti: heh, somehow I suspect that drones weren't in the training set ;) [00:38] what was? [00:38] skunks and weasles, clearly [00:38] popey: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/173317971/ImageNet.words <-- these things [00:45] Elleo: is the training material plain images or does it require some additional info? [00:48] mzanetti: basically plain images plus a bit of metadata (like what they're images of) [00:48] Elleo: would be cool if users could enter the name and upload it [00:48] mzanetti: there's details on the training process here: http://libccv.org/doc/doc-convnet/ (scroll down to "How to train my own classifier") [00:49] mzanetti: yeah, that'd require me setting up a super beefy server for the training [00:50] yeah. I guess SturmFlut can help with his cluster of a million rpis :D [00:50] mzanetti: and it'd have to be done in batches, since it's not really a continuous learning algorithm, you have to retrain the whole thing to add new data to it [00:50] heh [00:50] I see [00:51] mzanetti: next thing I might do is make an OpenTLD app, that's a continuous learning algorithm for tracking stuff [00:51] ever since I played Akinator once I can't stop thinking about how to build up such a database [00:52] oh, looks like OpenTLD has been superceded by this now: http://www.gnebehay.com/cmt/ [00:53] that should be fun to play with [00:53] Elleo: that OpenTLD thing might be useful for the camera app [00:53] mzanetti: yeah [00:53] there's lots of nifty computer vision and image processing libs we could be making use of for fancy things [00:54] I want to try putting together an Ubuntu Touch robotics kit at some point [00:54] that'd be fun [00:54] oh yeah [00:54] * popey ensleepens [00:54] plus I could include my AI learning library, and force people to use it :P [00:54] nn chaps [00:54] night popey :) === LarrySteeze|Away is now known as LarrySteeze [00:57] good night === LarrySteeze is now known as LarrySteeze|Away [05:11] hello all [05:11] wait [05:24] hello all [06:19] popey: imgur.com/KUWSD7D [07:28] <^Manu> wow, lots of people/ [07:29] <^Manu> i'm wondering... need to buy a new phone. does anyone have any realistic estimates of ubuntu-touch release dates? it seems to have slipped past the dates written all over the net. [07:30] <^Manu> also, is it known whether both mx4 versions will be supported? or just the pro/'amateur'? [07:31] <^Manu> i'm considering to get an mx4, or just get a nexus if it's all still some time away... [07:46] <^Manu> hmm, lively place :) [07:46] <^Manu> i wonder if this is any reflection on the late launch date ;) [07:47] hey ^Manu [07:50] ^Manu: what dates have been written? [11:12] Plugging my phone in to my laptop via USB should "just work" right? In so much as I should see some kind of mass storage device on to which I can copy music or whatever? [11:16] willcooke, it should pop uo a nautilus window (unless you disabled that) [11:34] ogra_, Then I've broken something, cos it's not doing that. [11:34] oh [11:34] I wonder [11:34] nope [11:35] I thought I might have dev. mode on, but I dont [11:36] dev mode shouldnt influence MTP behavior [11:36] * willcooke tries a different USB cable [11:36] your PC should definitely show a device in the unity launcher [11:37] what device/channel ? [11:43] ogra_, reboot laptop - no change [11:43] rebooting phone now [11:43] what are you running on the laptop [11:44] works fine here on utopic [11:44] 14.04 [11:44] trusty [11:44] thats what i run on my desktop ... works fine there too [11:44] very weird [11:44] ah [11:44] do I have to have an sd card in the phone? [11:45] no [11:45] ok, laptop *is* seeing device [11:45] but [11:45] Nov 22 11:45:35 malfunctioning-eddie mtp-probe: bus: 1, device: 14 was not an MTP device [11:46] wow, file a bug please ... looks like the mtp server didnt start [11:46] will do, thanks a lot ogra_ [11:46] not sure how that could happen since it works here (and did for QA when testing yesterday) [11:47] I'm special ;) [11:50] ogra_, what should I file the bug against in LP? wiki says not against ubuntu-touch [11:50] mtp [11:50] ogra_, got it - thanks [11:51] mtp doesnt have bugs in LP [11:51] wait [11:51] yes it does [11:51] ignore [11:51] :) [12:06] willcooke: i put all my music on an sd card, that way i can reflash the phone clean and know it's all still there [12:06] also more space [12:06] * popey adds 32GB SD Cards to amazon wishlist [12:07] popey, well - that's quite interesting, because that's exactly what I wanted to do [12:07] heh [12:07] True story: [12:07] does it show up after a phone reboot? [12:07] I set up a VM with windows on so I could installed iTunes, so that I could sync wirelessly to my phone [12:07] you know you have to pin unlock the phone to show up the mtp stuff? [12:08] popey, I didn't, but that doesn't make any difference. Also we should make that clear, it's non-obvious (to me at least) [12:08] so anyway [12:09] Installed iTunes. synced my phone with a cable, everything working [12:09] go wireless [12:09] doesnt work [12:09] just craps out all the time, [12:09] itunes.... [12:09] and playing music from the shared itunes library also doesnt work [12:09] you're talking iphones? [12:09] yeah [12:09] ahhh [12:09] So that's it [12:09] I'm done with Apple now [12:09] hah [12:10] I thought it might be nice, but it's crappy unless you have Apple everything [12:10] ya [12:10] I'm going to look at building a plug in for Rhythmbox to sync with Ubuntu phone over wifi. [12:10] because I can [12:10] Go freedom [12:12] I hear from the youth that they don't generally put music on their devices but stream from online sources [12:12] yeah, but that costs money. I could make it at home for nothing [12:12] Principals, [12:13] very very narrow principals [12:13] * popey sees ogra spam in his inbox [12:13] here's a good one for you... how do I test the battery in my multimeter? [12:13] haha [12:13] updating all my apps to proper frameworks :) [12:14] ... and the right categories [12:35] ogra_k, foo [12:35] hah, notifications work in kiwirc ... nice [12:37] popeyk: yo [12:37] popeyk: yo [12:38] nice! [12:38] * ogra_ updates the app to drop the hearder and default to #ubuntu-touch [12:38] make a webapp in the store that comes directly here ☻ [12:38] *header [12:38] popey, there is one ... since ages ;) [12:38] hah [12:38] i'm just updatin it [12:38] only available in germany? ☻ [12:39] http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/graph.png [12:39] downward yesterday as we lost some fake paid apps i think [12:39] and updated ... [12:40] then back up again as everyone uploaded new scopes and stuff [12:42] "only available" isnt set [12:42] you should see it in the store [12:43] hmm [12:43] doesnt show in communications ... where it should be [12:43] but a search finds it [12:43] what's it called? [12:45] kiwi [12:45] well, kiwi irc [12:45] but kiwi should find it [12:45] i dont get why it doesnt show in the category [13:01] hmm, the freenode app doesnt show in the category either [13:08] freenode app works too :) [13:10] * ogra_ uploads update === blake_r is now known as blake_r-vacation [14:21] * ogra_ sighs ... 3rd session crash today [14:31] ogra_: ever in a state where apps won't start? [14:31] shorts and music (and others) just sit at the spinner [14:31] popey, yeah [14:31] hmm [14:31] reckon we have a bug for it? [14:31] i had that one twice and just now the whole session restarted under my finge [14:31] r [14:32] well, kind of [14:32] bug 1394919 [14:32] bug 1394919 in cgmanager (Ubuntu RTM) "constant crash in trying to collect info for recoverable error" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1394919 [14:32] on my phone right now it freezes up for .5s every so often [14:32] like when unlocking [14:33] most likely apport is running [14:33] but thats only fallout ... cgmanager has issues ... but apport cant collect info about it [14:36] no, nothing is running [14:36] haha, where'd that popeyk come from! [14:36] oxide is allowed to run in the background? [14:36] my phone has been locked for ages, and that guy was still connected? [14:37] Odd [14:37] still running [14:55] well, it somehow got foregrounded [14:55] kiwi reconnects automatically [15:12] hi .. I'm trying to install ubuntu touch on my nexus 7.. I'm following the instructions from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation [15:13] I've managed to install the dual boot app, but I can't find a utopic channel [15:13] it only lists trusty and some variants of it [15:13] is that bc my laptop (from where I run the dualboot.sh script) is running trusty? [15:14] pindonga: Nexzs 7 (2012) is no longer supported, so newer utopic builds are not available for it [15:14] what's the best channel to use, and how can I select it if it's not in the list? [15:14] mhh [15:15] Tassadar, so what are my choices here? use trusty image (possibly quite outdated and potentially broken?) or not use ubuntu touch at all? [15:16] yeah, pretty much [15:16] :/ [15:16] thx Tassadar [15:17] Tassadar, in the case I had a supported nexus 7 (2013 I guess) [15:17] would utopic be the right channel to use? [15:18] for a 'stable' experience [15:19] yes [15:20] although ubuntu-rtm and vivid-proposed channels are newer, I'd probably use ubuntu-rtm (no vivid-proposed passed QA yet) [16:00] ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09 is the most stable [18:11] why I can't edit sources.list [19:02] pngo_: the root file system is read-only and not meant to be modified. [19:02] You can enable read-write mode, but then you won't be able to update the phone again. [19:25] nhaines, I've tried phablet-config writable-image but I get command not found. Do you know other way? [19:40] pngo_: that's the only way. You have to reboot after, I think, but that should do it. You can probably just create the right file at the right place, but I forget what it is now. === jhodapp|sick is now known as jhodapp [20:06] pngo_: nhaines /userdata/.writable_image [20:06] pngo_: i usually just do this:- [20:07] adb shell [20:07] sudo touch /userdata/.writable_image [20:07] sudo mount -o remount,rw / [21:46] \o/ submitted new untappd scope to the store [21:47] now just need someone to review it and let it in :P [21:49] cough cough popey [22:14] popey: so i got an untappd webapp working with account-plugins \o/ [22:37] I have another problem I wrote some scripts and I can execute them via adb but can not via terminal [22:39] I get /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied [23:17] also I can not execute them as sudo