[03:53] <pleia2> knome: my brain is too tired to know what to do with the 2 msgs in the -devel queue, halp!
[07:13] <Unit193> pleia2: There was slight discussion on IRC about the epub docs, think people were leaning towards the idea that it'd not be as useful.  I had/have https://unit193.net/xubuntu/xubuntu-docs.epub
[08:42] <forestpiskie> thanks jjfrv8 :)
[13:12] <gompa> how would one request a package to made default in xubuntu ? ( i would love to see plank included by default)  (i dont know if this would even be possible so please bare with me) 
[14:12] <ochosi> bluesabre: i guess you can mark this one as invalid (at least the way i understood/commented it): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/menulibre/+bug/1324217
[14:38] <jjfrv8> Afternoon, elfy. And speaking of Power Manager, did you want to do anything with testcase 1582? Both updating it and including it in a testsuite?
[14:46] <elfy> jjfrv8: I guess so 
[14:49] <jjfrv8> I can take a stab at the testcase and then you can decide if you want to do anything with it???
[14:50] <elfy> jjfrv8: that would be \o/ :)
[14:51] <jjfrv8> alrighty then
[14:51] <elfy> easy enough to add the testcase to current list(s)
[14:51] <elfy> jjfrv8: can you do a bug report to track it please
[14:52] <jjfrv8> wilco
[14:52] <elfy> ochosi: so I've finally found someone seeing the ind panel crash issue :)
[15:18] <ochosi> hey elfy 
[15:18] <ochosi> mkay, is that a good thing? :)
[15:18] <ochosi> jjfrv8: looking at your docs now
[15:19] <elfy> ochosi: would be if I could say "do this then it'll work" 
[15:19] <ochosi> yeah, i'm planning to get 15.04 installed tomorrow, maybe i get it too and can then debug it a bit myself
[15:19] <elfy> jjfrv8: re your abiword bug - I can't confirm that
[15:19] <elfy> ochosi: this other one is in 14.10 
[15:19] <ochosi> oh
[15:21] <jjfrv8> elfy, have you used abiword at all yet on your install?  Once you fix it by creating/saving a new file, it doesn't seem to recur.
[15:21] <ochosi> jjfrv8: ok, i think i know what screenshots to use. i just need to talk to bluesabre about setting up 0.7-specific docs
[15:21] <jjfrv8> but right out of the box, it seems to happen every time.
[15:21] <jjfrv8> ochosi, cool.
[15:22] <elfy> jjfrv8: not used abiword here till I looked
[15:22] <elfy> will have a look in vm 
[15:23] <jjfrv8> hmmm, it seemed very reproducible for me like I reported, on three separate machines.
[15:24] <ochosi> jjfrv8: one more thing, you mentioned (but i don't remember the details unfortunately) that there were other changes apart from the display tab as well
[15:25] <jjfrv8> ochosi, one typo, added a ref to the third plugin, and screenshot of the new Help dropdown.
[15:25] <ochosi> ok, so those are not 0.6 specific changes
[15:25] <ochosi> where was the typo exactly?
[15:26] <jjfrv8> I think on the intro. "control" -> "controlled"
[15:26] <elfy> ochosi: so ... 14.04 not 14.10 ... 
[15:27] <jjfrv8> ochosi, I'm not sure about when that third plugin appeared or "contents" was added to the Help menu.
[15:28] <ochosi> since the third plugin is already in the 0.6 docs, i presume it was there already
[15:29] <jjfrv8> okay, yeah, there was a description of it but it just didn't appear on the intro page.
[15:29] <elfy> jjfrv8: today's daily, vbox, start abiword - start typing - no problems
[15:29] <jjfrv8> huh
[15:30] <ochosi> hmm, your screenshot for the help menu has slightly different font
[15:31] <jjfrv8> you've got good eyes. I don't think I installed faenza for it.
[15:32] <ochosi> the icons are fine
[15:32] <ochosi> just the font is off
[15:32] <ochosi> both in the window decoration and in the menu
[15:32] <ochosi> ;)
[15:33] <jjfrv8> I can redo it.
[15:36] <ochosi> if you can, that'd be nice
[15:36] <ochosi> meanwhile, I've set up basic 0.7 docs
[15:36] <ochosi> http://docs.xfce.org/apps/parole/0.7/start
[15:36] <ochosi> that
[15:36] <ochosi> 's where your changes will go
[15:36] <jjfrv8> k
[15:39] <ochosi> need to update parole's help/docs link too and release 0.7.1 to give people access to these docs i guess
[15:39] <jjfrv8> elfy, I just launched the 64-bit iso in vbox, selected Try, opened abiword and started typing - boom.
[15:45] <elfy> jjfrv8: just tried again - nada 
[15:45] <elfy> installing it 
[15:47] <jjfrv8> wonder what could be different
[15:49] <elfy> jjfrv8: just to double check - you open abiword, start typing and nothing shows, hit space and it opens a new abiword window where you can type?
[15:50] <jjfrv8> all except for the last part. in the new window, the same thing happens, no characters appear and when you hit space, another window opens, etc.
[15:50] <elfy> ok
[15:50] <elfy> definitely not seeing anything like that
[15:51] <jjfrv8> weird
[15:52] <elfy> very
[15:57] <elfy> jjfrv8: ok can confirm in clean install from today's daily
[15:57] <jjfrv8> whew
[15:58] <elfy> start abiword - type - nothing - hit space 15 times and get 15 new docs 
[15:58] <jjfrv8> :)
[16:00] <elfy> so ... was weird, now we can downgrade to just odd :)
[16:00] <jjfrv8> hehe
[16:00] <elfy> not sure why I didn't see it in the livesession nor on this install
[16:02] <jjfrv8> yeah, i could be wrong but I saw if first on my desktop, it went away after doing a File->New, but then today, it seemed to be back when I just tried again.
[16:02] <elfy> ok - rm'd the abiword local config - can confirm on this too
[16:04] <elfy> right so here - file > new doesn't make a difference
[16:04] <elfy> space creates a new doc
[16:05] <elfy> then once you've been through it - works from then on
[16:05] <elfy> obviously - remove the configs and you're back where you started
[16:06] <jjfrv8> pardong my ignorance, where's the config?
[16:06] <elfy> .config/abiword
[16:07] <jjfrv8> yup
[16:12] <jjfrv8> ochosi, I seem to remember having trouble getting the icons to show up on the menu dropdowns when I configured all the theme/font settings per the std.
[16:13] <ochosi> jjfrv8: std? (s* transmitted disease? :))
[16:13] <jjfrv8> that's why I ended up with the screenshot I did. only way I could get icons.  but I'll take another crack at it
[16:13] <elfy> ochosi: lol 
[16:13] <ochosi> newer gtk3 versions don't have icons in menus anymore
[16:13] <jjfrv8> hehe
[16:13] <ochosi> so that could be the reason you didn'*t see them
[16:13] <ochosi> and if you don't have icons in the menu, nevermind, that's not a problem
[16:13] <jjfrv8> it won't matter that it looks different from the others?
[16:14] <ochosi> well, we can't really do much about that. we can consider adding a note somewhere about this, but i don't have good ideas on how to resolve that
[16:14] <ochosi> maybe if we only update a single screenshot, it'd be better to try and keep it consistant
[16:15] <ochosi> but if there comes another round of updates to the docs, we might just redo all the screenshots without icons then i guess..
[16:15] <ochosi> actually, the playback bar looks slightly different in parole 0.7
[16:15] <jjfrv8> noticed that too
[16:15] <ochosi> but i don't think it's work redoing all screenshots just because of that
[16:17] <jjfrv8> so just to make sure I'm following... are we leaving the one I uploaded, going back to the original, or am I doing another with no icons?
[16:18] <ochosi> i guess we're gonna use the one you uploaded
[16:18] <jjfrv8> works for me :)
[16:18] <ochosi> or if i start to feel anal about the font being different, i can take a crack at redoing it myself
[16:20] <ochosi> you didn't update the text though to reflect the "contents" menuitem
[16:21] <jjfrv8> yeah, 'cause both Contents and About take you to the same place.
[16:22] <ochosi> not really
[16:22] <ochosi> about opens the about-dialog
[16:23] <ochosi> (and then there's a link to the website, which is essentially the docs)
[16:23] <ochosi> but still, it also holds license info, which the contents/docs doesn't
[16:23] <jjfrv8> right, and the text specifically says you can get to the docs that way. I thought about revising it. Should have asked your opinion.
[16:25] <ochosi> no worries
[16:25] <ochosi> i just added in a sentence and i think it's fine-ish
[16:25] <jjfrv8> cool
[16:27] <ochosi> so far i've updated the display screener in 0.7 and added that new help menu
[16:27] <ochosi> so i guess that should be up-to-date now
[16:27] <ochosi> just need to modify parole's contents link to point to that version now
[16:27] <ochosi> maybe we can automate that somehow, so it always points to the correct version automatically
[16:40] <ochosi> bluesabre: i created separate docs for parole 0.7 based on the changes/screenshots jjfrv8 proposed. they're all here now: http://docs.xfce.org/apps/parole/0.7/ (mostly adding the video backend stuff and updating the help menu)
[16:41] <ochosi> bluesabre: if you're fine with this, we should update the contents menu-item for the docs to point to 0.7 in git master, or maybe we can even find a way to automate this so it always points to the correct version..? (as you know not an autotools/makefile expert here :))
[16:42] <ochosi> jjfrv8: ok, so i'm done with the updates, thanks a bunch for your help!
[16:47] <jjfrv8> ochosi, quite welcome. Thanks for the feedback.
[16:57] <elfy> jjfrv8: for what it's worth don't see that issue installing abiword in ubuntu 
[16:57] <ochosi> jjfrv8: btw, if you feel motivated (and since you mentioned you were reviewing powerman-testcases, that one needs docs too
[16:59] <ochosi> bluesabre: i obviously have a patch ready for the 0.7 switch in case we wanna do it by hand ;)
[17:21] <jjfrv8> ochosi, I'll touch base with slickymaster on the powerman docs.
[17:21] <ochosi> jjfrv8: so far not much has happened afaik
[17:21] <ochosi> we've only set up the staging site
[17:22] <jjfrv8> I think I saw that in my travels. I'll look it over - probably tomorrow.
[17:22] <jjfrv8> bbl
[17:23] <ochosi> cool, ttyl jjfrv8 
[17:24] <ochosi> jjfrv8: this is where the staging site is at btw: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfpm-docs:start
[18:03] <habhatti> Hello everyone.
[18:20] <ochosi> hi habhatti 
[19:56] <pleia2> Unit193: when was that discussion? think you can link to it on the mailing list?
[20:02] <sidi-valencia> ochosi, may i suggest some illustration on the frontpage too? makes the doc less stern and more attractive :P
[20:08] <andrzejr> ochosi, any thoughts on my xfce4-dev ml comment?
[20:16] <knome> pleia2, can approve sidnioulz (==sidi), the other one, meh
[20:18]  * pleia2 opens admin dashboard again
[20:19] <pleia2> maybe fwd the other to the user list
[20:19] <knome> well,
[20:19] <knome> it looks like they have a school assignment
[20:20] <knome> if it's fwd'd to -users, i'm sure the flood of mail replies is the level of "meh"
[20:20] <knome> though, what do i care, i'm not subscribed there
[20:20] <knome> :|
[20:20] <pleia2> yeah well, it's better for users than devel
[20:20] <knome> sure, but
[20:21] <pleia2> mailman's forwarding thing is not awesome
[20:22] <knome> the reason i personally don't want to help people who just ask XYZ to get through their assignments is that i've seen enough people studying IT who have no skills, social, technical, or otherwise, and i would never want to work with them professionally, so i refuse to make more of those pass through their school
[20:23] <knome> if they understood a small bit, they could either 1) find out theirself 2) ask better questions, eg. "why are you using the X model and not the Y model for CPU scheduling"
[20:23] <pleia2> now it's in the -users queue and it is from the mailman user
[20:23] <pleia2> ooh my lunch is here
[20:23] <knome> woohoo. :)
[20:23] <pleia2> I'll deal with this later
[20:23] <skellat> Embrace "listadmin"
[20:24] <skellat> I set up it for loco-contacts@l.u.c and loco-council@l.u.c and life is so much easier
[20:24] <skellat> It is even a package in the archive!
[20:26] <knome> any software can't remove the false expectations from the list users.
[20:28] <skellat> No, it is a command line tool for admins to admin a mailing list
[20:28] <skellat> If I end up with any more mailing lists, I'm just adding them there so it gives me the ability to work through all the queues in one shot
[20:28] <skellat> A bunch of folks were raving about it on planet.debian.org a couple weeks ago
[20:29] <skellat> LoCo Council gets some exciting spam, too
[20:30] <knome> well i guess software doesn't make the decision making any easier either
[20:32] <habhatti> Um, hello. Do you still need more testers?
[20:32] <knome> habhatti, alwyas
[20:32] <knome> always too..
[20:34] <habhatti> Wonderful, is this the right channel for this?
[20:34] <knome> yep
[20:34] <knome> habhatti, you'll want to talk especially with elfy when he gets back
[20:36] <habhatti> Thanks, I'll lurk in here then.
[20:36] <knome> habhatti, great. if you have any questions, feel free to ask; we others can answer some too
[20:45] <habhatti> Thanks, I'm going through the documentation for the QAtracker.
[22:03] <sidi-valencia> ochosi, http://i.imgur.com/aghfsss.png?