[00:07] <dylan> Can anyone help me?
[00:08] <frenchguy> Hi i have a problem to restart Xubuntu after the update to 14.10
[05:29] <head|tail> Anyone know of a theme with no side borders? It's something I like from oxygen
[05:30] <holstein> http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=123744 might be what you want.. though, i havent tried it
[05:31] <head|tail> hmm will try... Who's idea was it to set the highlight color to pink, unicorns are silver, fur/horn/blood
[05:31] <holstein> head|tail: ?
[05:32] <head|tail> someone set the theme colour override to pink
[05:32] <holstein> head|tail: unicorns are fictional..
[05:39] <head|tail> xfce has not changed much in 3 years, I wonder what it's plans are for the future
[05:39] <head|tail> I'm guessing it's jsut sitting back waiting for wayland to mature
[05:39] <head|tail> and then there's the matter of gtk vs qt...
[05:40] <holstein> its not qt
[05:40] <holstein> there is an upstream xfce community
[05:41] <head|tail> ah, forgot it's on FN
[06:56] <aynrand420> does anyone use nba.tv
[06:56] <aynrand420> it looks so good on windows but so bad on xubuntu
[07:00] <evo> at least it works.   most of the time when i try to stream a game, it's streamed in Microsoft Silverlight   so i cant watch
[07:03] <aynrand420> dang
[09:09] <xubuntu937> hello
[09:10] <xubuntu937> i have some problems installing xubuntu 14.04.1 LTS using my legacy graphics nvidia GeForce 8600GTS.
[09:11] <xubuntu937> Anyone there to help me getting this to resolution 1680x1050 ?
[09:16] <avoider> Anyone around for some simple support?
[09:16] <avoider> I keep getting a error for the indicator bar on the top right
[09:16] <avoider> keeps crashing
[09:16] <avoider> out of no where
[09:16] <avoider> Running xubuntu 14
[09:16] <avoider> Clean install
[09:18] <avoider> its the  Plugin Indicator plugin" unexpectedly left the panel, do you want to restart it?
[09:18] <avoider> i click excute and it keeps coming back
[09:18] <avoider> with that same error
[09:29] <elfy> avoider: I've had the same issue off and on - not had any luck with working out what's going on though
[09:32] <avoider> erm
[09:32] <avoider> I should of stuck to xubuntu 12
[09:32] <avoider> seems like 14 is unstable
[09:33] <avoider> even know they say it is etc etc
[09:37] <elfy> avoider: well - you and I are the only people that I know of who see this particular issue
[09:38] <avoider> Intresting... my mate who is sysadmin etc told me this version of ubuntu is unstable even though it says stable.
[09:38] <avoider> And i would have nothing but issues
[09:39] <avoider> Im using other peoples wifis so i dont have the bw or the time to download older copy.
[10:15] <Meerkat> Can I force the desktop icons in Xubuntu to not move around after I put them where I want them?
[10:22] <elfy> Meerkat: I believe that there is a fix in the proposed repository bug 1365965
[10:22] <elfy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[10:22] <elfy> disable it after you've upgraded that package
[11:05] <onr> is 14.10 worth installing?
[11:05] <flux242> onr: no
[11:06] <onr> thanks
[11:06] <flux242> onr: 14.04 lts is the way to go
[11:07] <onr> flux242: oh right, 14.04 is LTS
[11:08] <onr> no need for pink unicorns
[11:30] <artag> i've got another weird one that's only appeared since I put 14.04 on
[11:31] <artag> If I plug an arduino in, it shows up as /dev/ttyACM0 as it should
[11:31] <artag> I can connect to that with screen, cat it, etc etc
[11:31] <artag> all works fine
[11:31] <artag> But the arduino app itself (whicj I didn't intentionally upgrade) doesn't seem to see the device
[11:33] <artag> it won't do a terminal emulator on it, it won't send programs, and the list of possible serial ports is greyed out
[11:33] <artag> yet I can run avrdude (which is what the arduino IDE uses to program) and that works fine
[11:34] <artag> I do seem to have a ridiculous number of jre and jdks installed so it may be a java issue
[11:37] <Meerkat> elfy, oh wow. that's beautiful! I didn't expect that. :) Will check it out.
[11:47] <suncokret> hello
[11:48] <suncokret> i have 3 icons in launcher on panel but it show me only 1, how to set to see all icons?
[11:49] <onr> you need a launcher for each icon
[11:50] <suncokret> now it show only 1 and beside that icon is little triangle and when i go to it then it show me other 2 icons
[11:51] <suncokret> so only solution is launcher for each icon?
[11:51] <onr> yup
[11:51] <suncokret> thanks
[11:51] <suncokret> and how i can put icon for network on the panel?
[11:51] <onr> you can drag and drop items from main menu to panel and it will create a launcher automatically
[11:52] <onr> network icon must be part indicator plugin iirc
[11:53] <onr> right click > panel > new item > network monitor
[11:53] <avoider> Anyone around yet?
[11:54] <suncokret> thanks, i install xfce on lubuntu and i didn't know to do that on panel
[11:56] <avoider> Anyone know how to fix the indicator panel issue?
[11:58] <avoider> or any ideas for that matter.
 right click > panel > new item > network monitor
[12:04] <suncokret> there is no network monitor
[12:13] <avoider> ?
[12:15] <suncokret> i can't fint how to disable moving deleted files to recycle bin in thunar
[12:17] <avoider> is there no1 here yet for support?
[12:24] <mileszero> hi all
[12:25] <mileszero> I have one question, when I install in 14.10 Firefox, I always get 33.0, but current is 31.1.1, how can I change this   ?
[12:29] <koegs> avoider: what do you need to fix?
[12:32] <mileszero> sorry, mean 33.1.1
[13:21] <Alexfrench> hello all
[13:57] <TokenRingJoe> Are there plans for a 14.10 minimal ISO?
[13:58] <cfhowlett> !mini
[14:00] <TokenRingJoe> Most recent version on that page is 14.04.  Tried going to the release folder as well.  No minimal
[14:01] <cfhowlett> TokenRingJoe, so I see.  IDK.  No official word that .mini has been dropped.
[14:02] <TokenRingJoe> Thanks.  I will see if I can slim down the Desktop version a bit then.
[14:09] <Meerkat> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/utopic/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[14:09] <Meerkat> looks like it is there but no one has updated the ubuntu help wiki.
[14:11] <cfhowlett> Meerkat, whoa you dug DEEP to find that!  good job.  Yeah, someone dropped the ball on the updating wikie
[14:12] <Meerkat> not sure if you're being sarcastic, because it wasn't very hard to find. I'm in the progress of figuring out how to edit the page.
[14:13] <cfhowlett> Meerkat, 1. no sarcasm   2. truly appreciative.
[14:14] <cfhowlett> Meerkat, you'll need to sign in with your launchpad account I believe.  Then edit and save.
[14:37] <Meerkat> All right, done. Please check to make sure everything is proper. :)
[14:38] <cfhowlett> Meerkat, link please?
[14:38] <Meerkat> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[14:39] <cfhowlett> !cookie | Meerkat, nicely done!
[14:46] <avoider> Anyone here for some quick support
[14:46] <avoider> ?
[14:47] <avoider> Here is a picture of the current issue
[14:47] <avoider>  http://i.imgur.com/TEivVNO.png
[14:47] <avoider> seems there is a issue with the indicator plugin
[14:52] <elfy> avoider: I assume you're using 14.04 or 14.10 ?
[14:53] <avoider> 14.10
[14:54] <elfy> ty for that
[14:54] <avoider> yw
[14:56] <elfy> I did report it - been marked as a dupe of a private one, that's 15.04 though
[14:56] <avoider> So what do i do?
[14:57] <flux242> avoider: this is not 14.10 specific problem because I've seen it before. But I can't remember the solution
[14:58] <elfy> avoider: currently I wait for reboot and add it - not got a solution - hope that flux242 remembers :)
[14:59] <avoider> so i just have to wait for a update
[14:59] <avoider> basically?
[14:59] <flux242> avoider: start it from console, maybe it'l spew some debug output
[14:59] <avoider> i dont know how to do that.
[14:59] <avoider> farly new too linux on desktop
[15:06] <flux242> avoider: it is basically a plugin for xfce4-plugin. Kill the xfce4-plugin process and start it from the terminal.
[15:06] <flux242> avoider: no, I mean kill xfce4-panel process
[15:07] <GridCube> avoider, to do what flux242 is telling you, you need to open a terminal, go to the start button and type "terminal" launch the application there, then run xfce4-panel -r to restart it
[15:14] <Meerkat> cfhowlett, I noticed that mini.iso links to outdated ubuntu versions result in 404s. Do you think it is okay to delete those entries?
[15:15] <Meerkat> regarding https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[15:15] <cfhowlett> Meerkat, as no one has taken the initiative to correct, no one will complain.  go wild.
[15:19] <avoider> flux242:
[15:19] <avoider> after i did that it forced me to reboot and when i logged back in
[15:19] <avoider> i got a error msg
[15:19] <avoider> came up with a popup
[15:19] <flux242> avoider: what did you do? killin a process should not result in rebooting
[15:20] <avoider> Sorry , Ubuntu 14.04 has experience an internal error
[15:20] <avoider> but wont let me copy/ paste the details
[15:21] <avoider> Do you think i should just re install ubuntu?
[15:23] <flux242> you mean ubuntu instead of xubuntu?
[15:23] <avoider> no i mean
[15:23] <avoider> xubuntu
[15:23] <avoider> like install a  brand new copy
[15:24] <flux242> well reinstalling always is an option
[15:25] <avoider> i just noticed it was 14.04 anyway
[15:25] <avoider> so im just downloading 14.10
[15:26] <avoider> I didnt have anything much to backup anyways ... but a background..
[15:26] <avoider> im just really hopeing this dont happen
[15:26] <flux242> avoider: no, 14.04 is fine!
[15:26] <avoider> Yeah but  14.10 is latest
[15:27] <flux242> 14.04 is LTS
[15:27] <avoider> Sorry what does  LTS mean?
[15:27] <flux242> !lts
[15:28] <avoider> so 14.10 wont be supported for long ?
[15:28] <xangua> 9 months
[15:29] <cfhowlett> avoider, in many ways 14.10 - bleeding/bloody edge.  it's great if you have a high tolerance for breaking and fixing your system.  LTS is less bleeding edge AND has 3 years of support.  non-LTS - 9 months.
[15:29] <avoider> so its best i download 14.04
[15:29] <avoider> ?
[15:29] <avoider> for every day use
[15:29] <GridCube> if you want, for me its the same
[15:29] <cfhowlett> avoider, up to you.  I find LTS only is  WAY less painful
[15:30] <avoider> ok ill do that
[15:30] <GridCube> but i understand what im doing 43% of the time
[15:30] <avoider> I just don't want to get thos errors again
[15:30] <cfhowlett> avoider, I update every 2 years.  for me = great!  for others ... maybe not.
[15:30] <avoider> I thought it was because it was older verson
[15:30] <cfhowlett> avoider, actually NEWER versions are more prone to breakage.
[15:32] <cfhowlett> avoider, if you go with trusty 14.04.1 is the latest.
[15:32] <flux242> avoider: have you upgraded the system after installation?
[15:32] <avoider> yeah im downloading now in trasnsmisson
[15:32] <avoider> Do you think its going to fix thos errors?
[15:33] <avoider> Its just werid i had them because i didnt mod or edit anything.
[15:33] <avoider> This was already a fresh install
[15:33] <flux242> avoider: don't upgrade right after installation! Play with the system to check if everything is ok, then upgrade
[15:34] <avoider> You mean when it asks you to upgrade after you install ?
[15:34] <flux242> yeah
[15:35] <avoider> Then if everything works for a day or two then do the upgrade you saying?
[15:36] <avoider> Ill be back after i reinstall guys...
[16:17] <wildforruss> Hi, I just installed 14.04 on my machine, and the dvd drive wont work vlc, keeps giving a demux error. When i run it from terminal, the drive shows up undr xfburn, but it wont detect blank disk or play a dvd, ir will however read a data-cd
[16:19] <deshipu> !dvd | wildforruss
[16:22] <wildforruss> Yes that information was observed and followed.
[16:24] <deshipu> then no other ideas
[16:25] <Alexfrench> http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html
[16:26] <wildforruss> Well playback isnt so much important as burning my homemade videos
[16:29] <holstein> wildforruss: i would test that the device is functioning properly.. i  had a suse install from years ago that i percieved couldnt play or write or read DVD's.. but, after testing for literally hours/days, i found the hardware (the optical drive) was bad, and would only read cd's..
[16:31] <wildforruss> Hmm, good point.
[16:34] <wildforruss> try it in another system*
[16:34] <wildforruss> close
[16:35] <wildforruss> exit
[20:45] <Ad1> hi, does anyone tried new Xubuntu 14.10?
[20:46] <Ad1> it haven't got any problems with stability or programs compatibility?
[20:46] <knome> Ad1, what's the real question?
[20:46] <knome> depends on your hardware, but no, shouldn't be too different from 14.04
[20:47] <Ad1> hmm... i have TV card, and it doesn't work on live cd
[20:47] <Ad1> xubu14.10
[20:47] <knome> does it work on 14.04?
[20:48] <Ad1> it was working on 14.04, but few days ago it stoped
[20:48] <knome> sounds like an update to hardware-related packages
[20:48] <Ad1> i think with some upgrade
[20:48] <Ad1> yeah, i think so
[20:49] <knome> do you have any idea which update might have caused it?
[20:49] <Ad1> is there any option to lock old driver?
[20:49] <Ad1> no, i don't watch TV everyday
[20:49] <knome> if you can pinpoint the package and its failing package version, theoretically yes
[20:50] <knome> though the better option would be to report that to the package maintainer and get this regerssion fixed there
[20:50] <Ad1> how can I report it? :D
[20:51] <knome> well... in terminal ubuntu-bug packagename
[20:51] <knome> but you'd have to know what's causing it breaking first
[20:51] <Ad1> well, it's difficult to check it
[20:52] <knome> i understand
[20:52] <Ad1> i think it could be problem with some drivers package, maybe the modprobe saa7134
[20:52] <knome> one option is to browse through /var/log/apt/history.log
[20:53] <Ad1> my TV Card is Medion Creatix CTX948
[20:53] <knome> sorry, i don't know the hardware or anyting related to it
[20:53] <Ad1> now i can't check it, cause i'm running livecd, and old system is destroyed by formating hdd :D
[20:54] <knome> right
[20:54] <knome> maybe you should install 14.04
[20:54] <knome> and try to see at which point the card stops working with the updates
[20:54] <knome> to try to pinpoint the problematic update/package
[20:55] <knome> keep other updates/installations at minimum
[20:55] <Ad1> well, I was reinstalling my system few tims
[20:56] <Ad1> times*
[20:56] <Ad1> once 14.10, once 14.04, and my TV Card don't work :/
[20:58] <Ad1> i guess it could be a problem with config files, because when i was reinstalling Xubuntu, I wasn't format my /home partition
[20:58] <Ad1> but just map it to /home
[20:58] <Ad1> with all my data and config
[20:59] <Ad1> now i've copied all my data from my home directory to other disk, and format those partitions: /, /boot, /home
[21:00] <Ad1> i don't know how it works on livecd with devices like TV Card, but I'm afraid it still could not work
[21:02] <Ad1> if it will work fine, then I will install Xubu14.10, otherway 14.04
[21:15] <Ad1> maybe my tv card is damaged? hmm...
[21:48] <xubuntu26w> In the panel items shud it be one or two indicator plugins (external) ?
[22:59] <xubuntu18i> A new user is on the go
[23:29] <fhenning09> anyone kno low resourse dock 4 xfce?
[23:29] <fhenning09> know