[06:24] <Sweet5hark> moin
[06:36] <larsu> moin Sweet5hark!
[07:20] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:22] <mlankhorst> morning
[07:33] <didrocks> good morning
[07:40] <larsu> bonjour!
[07:41] <darkxst> seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/1393067/comments/8?
[07:42] <didrocks> hey larsu
[07:42] <larsu> didrocks: happy monday! How are you?
[07:44] <didrocks> larsu: I'm great, thanks! Yourself?
[07:44] <seb128> hey didrocks mlankhorst darkxst
[07:44] <larsu> didrocks: awesome, thanks!
[07:44] <didrocks> bon lundi seb128 :)
[07:45] <seb128> darkxst, no strong opinion, I guess things like open still make sense there, but having no menu in the browser view would work as well
[07:45] <seb128> didrocks, 'ci, toi aussi ;-)
[07:45] <didrocks> merci ;)
[07:51] <darkxst> seb128, open/open-location are about the only things that do make sense there and they are available via the "plus" button
[07:51] <darkxst> I could probably make the menu only show in player
[07:52] <seb128> yeah
[07:54] <darkxst> seb128, ok, will sort something along those lines
[07:54] <seb128> thanks
[08:17] <Sweet5hark> "cpu 7 hanging for 22sec" is not a message I want to read again today ...
[08:37] <mlankhorst> you borked it
[08:49] <willcooke> morning all
[08:49] <mlankhorst>  morning!
[08:50] <willcooke> hi mlankhorst, how's it going?
[08:50] <didrocks> hey willcooke, mlankhorst
[08:50] <didrocks> willcooke: got better?
[08:50] <willcooke> didrocks, nearly :)  Still coughing
[08:51] <mlankhorst> aw too bad
[08:52] <ogra_> smoke more, the tar will cover it ;)
[08:52] <willcooke> ogra_, ha!  I switched to electronic ones, perhaps that's part of the problem
[08:53] <ogra_> heh
[09:04] <Laney> ahoy
[09:06] <willcooke> ello Laney
[09:06] <willcooke> Laney, properly cold today, got below zero for the first time last night
[09:06] <Laney> what's up
[09:06] <willcooke> not the temperature
[09:06] <Laney> seems to have been a real frost
[09:06] <seb128> hey Laney, had a good w.e?
[09:08] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:08] <willcooke> morning seb128
[09:08] <seb128> willcooke, why was the tpm workitems deleted?
[09:08] <willcooke> seb128, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-1504-full-disk-encryption-with-tpm
[09:08] <willcooke> replaced by that ^^
[09:08] <willcooke> and made a dependancy
[09:08] <willcooke> *dependency
[09:09] <Laney> not bad thanks, been preparing stuff at $newhouse
[09:09] <Laney> (also climbing)
[09:09] <Laney> (muhahaha)
[09:09] <Laney> you?
[09:09] <seb128> willcooke, great, thanks
[09:09] <willcooke> seb128, thank robert_ancell :)
[09:09] <seb128> Laney, oh, you get the $newhouse keys?
[09:09] <Laney> yup
[09:09] <seb128> Laney, good w.e, shopping, swimming, relaxing ;-)
[09:09] <Laney> so many holes
[09:10] <Laney> they really liked screwing things into the wall
[09:12] <darkxst> hey laney
[09:12] <Laney> yo darkxst
[09:13] <darkxst> Laney, can something happen with bug 1379446
[09:14] <darkxst> I might drop external panel patches for V, but that needs to be fixed in U
[09:16] <Laney> patch piloting this afternoon, will look then
[09:16] <darkxst> Laney, ok thanks
[09:17] <Laney> np
[09:19] <darkxst> hmm why is there no Utopic in "nominate series"?
[09:21] <Laney> probably because it's already nominated
[09:46] <Sweet5hark1> ricotz: btw are you planning to backport the 4.3.4~rc1 (=final build) in the ppa for trusty/precise?
[09:46] <ricotz> Sweet5hark1, uploaded just this moment
[09:46] <Sweet5hark1> ricotz: oh, heh. awesome!
[09:47] <ricotz> Sweet5hark1, was about to say, please inform me about new uploads
[09:48] <Sweet5hark1> ricotz: yes, this one was out of the usual row for https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85614 ...
[09:49] <ricotz> Sweet5hark1, i know, i actually meant if you push a new build to some ppa which is worth my attention
[09:50] <ricotz> e.g. 4.4.0~beta2
[09:50] <GunnarHj> Hi seb128!
[09:51] <seb128> hey GunnarHj
[09:51] <GunnarHj> seb128: Thinking of having the equivalent of "sudo apt-get install $(check-language-support)" be run without opening the language-selector UI, either in update-manager or as autostart. Any spontaneous thoughts?
[09:51] <ricotz> Sweet5hark1, 4.4.0~beta1 even ;)
[09:52] <seb128> GunnarHj, downloading/installing thing without asking the user is poor taste ... or do you mean having update-manager prompting about that on first run? don't we have a such prompt on first login after installation?
[09:52] <Sweet5hark1> ricotz: still in the works ;)
[09:54] <GunnarHj> seb128: Only on first run, and only if you install without internet. The issue is that some language packs (e.g. firefox) are silently uninstalled sometimes. So the idea is to ensure that everything is there.
[09:55] <GunnarHj> seb128: I agree that prompting would be nicer, and in that case update-manager would be the place, I suppose.
[09:56] <seb128> GunnarHj, the cases where they are uninstalled shouldn't happen if you use the graphical tools, it should rather hold on some package updates than uninstall
[09:57] <GunnarHj> seb128: Wasn't aware of that distinction. OTOH, how do you prevent users from installing from terminal?
[09:58] <seb128> GunnarHj, no we don't, but those who are technical enough to do that are responsible for what they are doing
[10:01] <GunnarHj> seb128: You have to admin that uninstalling is nonintuitive behavior. I for one don't understand why it happens.
[10:01] <GunnarHj> s/admin/admit/
[10:01] <seb128> GunnarHj, well, don't use dist-upgrade, just use "upgrade", it does the safe thing
[10:02] <seb128> those issues also only happen in dev series
[10:02] <seb128> non technical users run stable series
[10:02] <seb128> so you have a biased view on who is impacted
[10:03] <GunnarHj> seb128: Are you absolutely sure it only happens in dev series?
[10:03] <seb128> GunnarHj, why would it happen on stable series?
[10:03] <seb128> and how?
[10:07] <GunnarHj> seb128: Don't know. Don't know. I have still seen it happen (I think). So have others.
[10:07] <GunnarHj> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2014-November/006721.html
[10:07] <GunnarHj> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1395273
[10:08] <mitya57> Laney: thanks for testing, I see that sphinx built on ppc64el, I'll now comment on debian bug report.
[10:09] <mitya57> powerpc ftbfs seems to be a different issue
[10:10] <Laney> ok cool, I'll merge again once it's fixed there
[10:10] <Laney> did you save the buildlog?
[10:10]  * Laney will free the ppa
[10:10] <mitya57> let me save it
[10:11] <mitya57> saved
[10:11] <Laney> ta
[10:12] <Laney> btw I think you would have had the powers to do this yourself
[10:12] <Laney> for reference
[10:16] <didrocks> larsu: do you have a minute to peer-review some patches before I sent them systemd upstream? (More on checking the C side of things)
[10:16] <larsu> didrocks: sure
[10:17] <larsu> !
[10:18] <didrocks> larsu: http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/tmp/systemd/
[10:18] <didrocks> thanks :)
[10:19] <larsu> didrocks: keep in mind that I don't know systemd internals at all...
[10:20] <didrocks> larsu: yeah, it's more to see if you can spot any big hurdle on the way
[10:20] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: are you still going to upload 4.3.3/vivid? by now we have a 4.3.4 in the ppa for utopic (and ricotz actually already did a forward port to vivid) ...
[10:20] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, I did on friday
[10:20] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, you should start paying attention ;-)
[10:21] <seb128> you should have receiving emails for the uploads?
[10:21] <seb128> I also wrote you on this channel to say I uploaded...
[10:22] <larsu> didrocks: do they use 'bool' in other places? That's a C99ism.
[10:23] <ricotz> Sweet5hark1, i remember saying just put 4.3.4rc1 into vivid back then too ;)
[10:23] <didrocks> larsu: there is some in udev, vconsole
[10:23] <larsu> ok
[10:24] <didrocks> larsu: should I switch to int?
[10:24] <larsu> you should use what surrounding functions ise
[10:24] <larsu> afaik they use c99 quite a bit, so it's probably not a technical issue, just a coding convention one
[10:25] <didrocks> larsu: sure, there is no bool on that file, so I will just turn that to an int
[10:26] <willcooke> Sweet5hark1, are you free to talk about the spreadsheet / reference issue right now?
[10:26] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, ricotz, well, we can do another upload, it's not like builders couldn't handle it
[10:28] <larsu> didrocks: in 0002 line 53: path_kill_slashes modifies the string you pass it? In that case, you can't pass it a literal...
[10:29] <larsu> didrocks: casting a (const char*) to a (char*) is almost always a bad sign of something like this happening
[10:29] <larsu> (in line 56)
[10:30] <didrocks> larsu: it's an exact copy of what Lennart is doing some lines below (the function we discussed on Friday), I didn't dear changing the approach
[10:30] <didrocks>                 etc_machine_id = strappenda(root, "/etc/machine-id");
[10:30] <didrocks>                 path_kill_slashes((char*) etc_machine_id);
[10:30] <didrocks> dare*
[10:30] <larsu> right, strappenda makes you a stack-allocated version of the string, you can modify it
[10:31] <larsu> but you assign a constant in line 53
[10:31] <larsu> didrocks: forget everything I just said
[10:31] <ricotz> Sweet5hark1, seb128, i guess it isn't that imported while 4.4.0~beta1 is out and in preparation
[10:31]  * larsu gets some glasses :(
[10:32]  * didrocks uses MIB device
[10:32] <larsu> didrocks: line 61, *independent (a -> e)
[10:32] <larsu> didrocks: lol
[10:33] <didrocks> larsu: argh, always doing that one, thanks! :)
[10:33] <larsu> didrocks: you pass %m into log_error() a couple of times but there's no arg to match that - does log_error() put something into that?
[10:34] <didrocks> larsu: yeah, it's taking the last errno and convert it to a sensible string
[10:35] <larsu> neat
[10:35] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[10:38] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: hmmm, didnt get an email from builders about the upload -- strange. And https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice didnt show any news ...
[10:38] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, you mean "show any news"?
[10:39] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: urgh, indeed. *facepalm*
[10:39] <seb128> :-)
[10:40] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: /me started the day at 7am and apparently didnt adjust the caffeine intake for that. sorry for the noise. :/
[10:40] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, no worry, 4.3.3 is in, we can do another upload whenever there is an update/something you want to get in
[10:40] <larsu> didrocks: looks good to me otherwise (but like I said, don't know much about systemd)
[10:41] <didrocks> larsu: thanks a lot, fixing the typo and having the bool -> int are nice recommendations, doing that and proposing :)
[10:41] <didrocks> larsu: was fun to play with mount ns :)
[10:41] <larsu> didrocks: good luck ;)
[10:41] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: 4.3.3 was security relevant, I dont care _too_ much for other 4.3 bugfixes in vivid, when we ship with 4.4 anyway.
[10:41] <larsu> didrocks: yeah I can imagine
[10:41] <didrocks> thanks!
[10:41] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: thx for the upload.
[10:41] <seb128> yw!
[10:58] <Sweet5hark1> seb128, willcooke: hangout now would work for me ...
[10:58] <willcooke> Sweet5hark1, I think seb128 is about to go out for lunch
[10:58] <GunnarHj> seb128: To conclude what we were talking about a few minutes ago: You don't encourage me to proceed with the idea to guard against absent language support packages along those lines. Is that so?
[10:59] <Sweet5hark1> seb128, willcooke: fine for me, actually I originally planned to start pinging you guys about this at 1300CET (in ~one hour) ...
[11:04] <mitya57> Trevinho: hi, are you going to make a new upstream release of libwnck?
[11:06] <mitya57> Some upstream patches are important for us — see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libwnck3/+bug/1293252/comments/14
[11:37] <didrocks> larsu: polished latest contents + tested and sent! Thanks very much for your review :)
[11:40] <larsu> didrocks: thumbs up!
[11:58] <ochosi> hey folks, quick question, where is the code for the light themes at? https://launchpad.net/light-themes seems awfully unconfigured and messy
[11:59] <larsu> ochosi: over here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-themes
[11:59] <ochosi> oh
[11:59] <ochosi> thanks larsu
[11:59] <larsu> ochosi: be aware that I'm doing some extensive changes to the gtk3 theme at the moment :)
[12:00] <ochosi> ok, good to know, i just wanted to check some code cause i got a bugreport about indicator-menus in unity-panel not having properly styled checkboxes
[12:00] <larsu> with 3.14?
[12:00] <ochosi> oh, are you pulling in suru icons for 15.04?
[12:00] <larsu> unlikely
[12:00] <ochosi> not sure, the guy didn't specify, so i thought i'd check your code for unity-panel
[12:01] <ochosi> oh, i misinterpreted a commit msg there, that repo holds more than just light-themes...
[12:01]  * ochosi <- silly
[12:01] <larsu> :)
[12:01] <ochosi> i considered starting a port
[12:01] <ochosi> but otoh it makes no sense to port suru icons when they're not used in uniyt
[12:02] <ochosi> so are you porting ambiance to sass or what's the "extensive change"?
[12:03] <larsu> no, I don't care about that... just moving stuff from -assets.css and -borders.css into the main css file and removing unnecessary stuff
[12:03] <larsu> there's lots of unneeded and duplicated rules
[12:03] <ochosi> mm, yeah, noticed that :)
[12:03] <ochosi> easier to cope with less files
[12:04] <larsu> also lots of hacks that were added for previous versions of applications, but aren't needed anymore
[12:04] <larsu> sadly I need to wade through blame to find those out
[12:04]  * larsu wishes people had put comments
[12:04] <larsu> ochosi: yes, and also stuff is breaking with the new gtk the way we did it before
[12:04] <ochosi> yeah, maintaining themes for gtk3 has become a lot more laborious than gtk2 ever was
[12:05] <ochosi> well, as always :)
[12:05] <ochosi> i mean with every major gtk3 release i had to adapt my theme
[12:05] <larsu> well, you get a lot of cool additional stuff though
[12:05] <ochosi> agreed
[12:05] <larsu> right, that's a bit annoying
[12:05] <Trevinho> mitya57: yes that was planned
[12:05] <ochosi> agreed again :)
[12:11] <mitya57> Trevinho: thanks. If you do it soon, then I'll wait for it instead of adding more patches.
[12:38] <Trevinho> mitya57: done
[12:38] <seb128> GunnarHj, I don't think it's an important issue or hit lot of users, you could try to add some ui to e.g update-manager but then you might hit the reverse problem and annoy users who uninstalled language support for e.g firefox because they prefer english
[12:40] <Sweet5hark1> seb128, willcooke: hangout now?
[12:41] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, willcooke sent an invitation for 5pm utc our time, but now would work as well
[12:41] <willcooke> seb128, Sweet5hark1 -  if you don't mind me eating in the background , let's do it now :)
[12:41] <mitya57> Trevinho: that was super fast, thanks a lot!
[12:42] <Sweet5hark1> willcooke: fine with me ;)
[12:42] <seb128> willcooke, wfm
[12:42] <Sweet5hark1> willcooke: do you invite?
[12:42] <willcooke> Sweet5hark1, seb128 https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/talk-about-the?authuser=0
[12:43] <Laney> about-the what!
[12:43] <Laney> the suspense
[12:44] <Sweet5hark1> willcooke: gah, cant join, was hanging until "this party is over" ...
[12:45] <Sweet5hark1> willcooke, seb128: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gvhnpsedywp4ab2ult6q6jgq2ua?authuser=0
[12:57]  * Sweet5hark1 feels a bit guilty now ...
[12:58]  * Sweet5hark1 has 8 builders churning away on LibreOffice ... and sees '4 pending builds' in the LibreOffice ppa for backports ...
[12:58] <willcooke> :)
[12:58] <Sweet5hark1> doing my part for global warming.
[12:59] <willcooke> Sweet5hark1, if you want something of less power set up on Canonistack let me know.
[12:59] <willcooke> not a very appealing offer I know
[13:01] <didrocks> that's why was 21°C instead of 5 last year yesterday
[13:01] <Sweet5hark1> willcooke: I dont mind the build times too much, Im used to them. As long as I dont get lynched by an angry mob of 'greedy Bjoern is eating all the cycles on the ppa builders!!1!', Im fine ..
[13:02] <willcooke> Sweet5hark1, if you start running in to people with pitchforks let me know
[13:02]  * ogra_ checks lats winters heating bill and hugs Sweet5hark1 for contributing to global warming
[13:02] <Sweet5hark1> willcooke: willdo.
[13:03] <Laney> the ppa farm has enough capacity
[13:04] <Sweet5hark1> Laney: is that a challenge?
[13:07] <Laney> do your worst!
[13:07] <Laney> also, nautilus 3.14.1 is uploaded to the desktop ppa, try it out
[13:15] <seb128> Laney, does it require the new gtk? do you expect any issue with it/any known bug that you want to see resolved before archive upload?
[13:16] <Laney> yes and not that I know of atm
[13:17] <seb128> k
[13:18] <seb128> larsu, how is the gtk update going? it might be good to update the pad with some references to vcs/merge requests as you go maybe, so we can keep track of progresses
[13:18] <larsu> seb128: a bit lost in the details...
[13:20] <seb128> larsu, we start having a stack of updates blocked, I wonder if we should upload the new gtk dispite the issues
[13:20] <seb128> and deal with theming then
[13:20] <GunnarHj> seb128: I understand what you are saying. I might investigate a little more. Anyway, thanks for your thoughts!
[13:20] <seb128> GunnarHj, yw!
[13:21] <larsu> seb128: hm, I understand. Let me reshuffle a bit and apply the patches I have before eod
[13:21] <larsu> seb128: that way the biggest problems will be gone and I might stop shaving yaks
[13:22] <seb128> larsu, well, we are not in hurry either, how much work do you think your yaks shaving is going to take?
[13:23] <seb128> larsu, I would like the gtk to be ready by the end of the week if we can
[13:23] <seb128> larsu, so maybe just shuffle things around as you see fit for that goal?
[13:23] <seb128> or let me know if it's a bit too early and you think we need a bit more work before the upload
[13:24] <seb128> it's just that once we enter decembre end of year holidays are getting close and some people are on and off
[13:24]  * Laney is off next week
[13:24] <seb128> so it might be nice to have the GTK before that, so things can settle down and if e.g the Ubuntu GNOME wants to do work during holidays they can
[13:24] <Laney> but I'm pushing / PPAing stuff
[13:24] <seb128> see :p
[13:24] <seb128> Laney, until eoy or just next week?
[13:25] <Laney> just the week
[13:25] <seb128> k
[13:25] <Laney> then back for two i think before xmas
[13:25] <larsu> seb128: I definitely wanted to finish the theme work this week. Let me see what I have today at eod
[13:25] <seb128> larsu, k
[13:25] <larsu> Laney: for settling into the new place?
[13:26] <seb128> larsu, I guess the icons issue is likely a gtk one and not a theme one?
[13:26] <seb128> larsu, it's funny to try to open the "open with" menu from nautilus or a text file if you have gvim installed :p
[13:26] <larsu> yes, haven't looked into that one yet
[13:26] <seb128> I tried that this w.e and went "wth" ;-)
[13:26] <larsu> ya, same in the dash
[13:26] <seb128> should we maybe ask desrt or robert_ancell if they can help on that?
[13:26] <Laney> larsu: yep
[13:27] <seb128> so you can focus on the theme?
[13:27] <larsu> it's fine unless you consider it super urgent
[13:27] <Laney> & buying all of the other things
[13:27] <seb128> nothing super urgent
[13:27] <seb128> larsu, thanks for the update, don't worry/stress about the update, let's just do a status update on thursday
[13:27] <Laney> I saw something in NEWS maybe about icon themes and sizes or something
[13:27] <seb128> see what we get by then
[13:33] <Laney> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=765069
[13:35] <Laney> errands + lunch, biab
[14:46] <willcooke> Sweet5hark1, I bring great news....
[14:47] <Sweet5hark1> willcooke: yes?
[14:47] <willcooke> Sweet5hark1, your name is being fixed in the HR system
[14:47] <Sweet5hark1> willcooke: ... and there was great rejoincing!
[14:48] <Sweet5hark1> willcooke: I getting all excited about filing my expenses next time! Usually that doesnt happen. ;)
[14:49] <willcooke> :D
[14:49]  * willcooke is burning down the "TO DO" post-it-notes at long lsat
[15:31] <Laney> hmm
[15:31] <Laney> NM doesn't have an option to automatically connect to a VPN?
[15:39] <larsu> Laney: pretty sure I did that at some point...
[15:39] <larsu> but can't find it either now :/
[15:41] <larsu> Laney: NMActiveConnection has a 'default' property (and NMVPNConnection inherits from that) - so it should be doable
[15:41] <larsu> maybe there's just no UI for it?
[15:42] <Laney> perhaps
[15:42] <Laney> can you put it in some config file?
[15:44] <larsu> dunno
[16:21] <davmor2> Laney: larsu: it does if you add network-manager-openvpn-gnome I think
[16:22] <Laney> davmor2: Isn't that what lets me use a VPN at all?
[16:22] <Laney> where's the option? ;)
[16:23] <mitya57> The -gnome contains the GUI I think
[16:23] <davmor2> Laney: there are 2 network-manager-openvpn which does the backend stuff and -gnome which gives the bells and whistles I think
[16:23] <Laney> I have a UI, just doesn't have this option
[16:24] <mitya57> That package should add some option to "Add connection" dialog in nm-connection-editor
[16:25] <Laney> Plenty of options, but none that let me automatically connect to a VPN
[16:26] <mitya57> Hm, right, for wlan networks I do have "Connect automatically" checkbox in the first tab, but for VPN I don't...
[18:17]  * Laney goes away
[18:18] <Laney> laters!
[18:18] <willcooke> l8r
[18:18]  * willcooke goes away too - back to speak to robert_ancell later on
[18:55] <robert_ancell> willcooke, damn, dst confuses me again. Upside, ready when you are!
[19:01] <willcooke> robert_ancell, hey :)  You're up early?
[19:01] <robert_ancell> willcooke, I keep forgetting the meeting time has moved
[19:01] <robert_ancell> and children = up early anyway
[19:01] <willcooke> :)
[19:01] <willcooke> can you give me 10 mins?
[19:02] <robert_ancell> sure
[19:24] <GunnarHj> Hi robert_ancell!
[19:26] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, otp
[19:27] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: ok
[19:30] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Posting my question in the meantime:
[19:30] <GunnarHj> https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/lightdm/config-error-dialog/+merge/242232
[19:30] <GunnarHj> Are you waiting for pittis review?
[19:37] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, it's been sitting in my queue but I'll have a look now
[19:38] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, but yes, I'm just deferring to pitti on this
[19:38]  * willcooke -> EOD. ttfn
[19:39] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Ok. Think he is on vacation ATM. He blessed the sh -> bash idea.
[19:39] <robert_ancell> Oh, I thought people were generally pro just sh. Or is that Debians policy
[19:41] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Don't know. To be honest I was a little surprised too. But both pitti and seb128 have stated that it's ok, and that the affect on performance is minimal.
[19:41] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, reviewed
[20:54] <kenvandine> popey, what are your thoughts about btrfs these days?
[20:55] <kenvandine> i'm thinking about wiping my laptop for a clean install... debating btrfs or my trusty favorite ext4
[20:57] <mzanetti> hey, in vivd my screen backlight buttons aren't working. anyone got a hint where to look at?
[21:08] <popey> kenvandine: i went back on my laptop from btrfs to ext4
[21:08] <popey> kenvandine: btrfs felt too slow.
[21:08] <popey> kenvandine: i also had on more than one occasion where my laptop would hang (for other unrelated reasons) or shutdown ungracefully and when I boot back up I'd have data loss in chrome/chromium
[21:09] <popey> like my entire profile vanished, or lock files or something odd was messed up
[21:09] <kenvandine> ugh
[21:09] <kenvandine> that's not cool
[21:09] <kenvandine> thx for the feedback
[21:09] <lifeless> kenvandine: ext4 definitely
[21:09] <lifeless> kenvandine: btrfs is very clever but its still way too raw IME
[21:10] <kenvandine> lifeless, that's what i was worried about
[21:11] <kenvandine> ok, thanks guys
[21:11] <popey> yeah
[21:11] <popey> however, that said
[21:11] <popey> my home server which has 12x2TB disks as one bit btrfs array has had unspeakable things done to it
[21:11] <popey> and survived
[21:11] <popey> I have yanked the sata cables out and pulled the power multiple times.
[21:11] <popey> btrfs has recovered fine
[21:11] <popey> contrary to what most people say about it ☻
[21:13] <kenvandine> popey, is that why your click mirror went down? because of btrfs :)
[21:14] <popey> yes
[21:14] <popey> had to buy new esata cables which dont fall out when people slam the fridge door
[21:14] <kenvandine> btw, is that back up?
[21:14] <popey> (the server and array are on top of the fridge)
[21:14] <kenvandine> haha
[21:14] <popey> yes
[21:14] <popey> also...
[21:14] <popey> http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/graph.png
[21:14] <kenvandine> crazy data center you have there
[21:14] <popey> i made a graph with gnuplot
[21:15] <kenvandine> nice to see the steady climb there :)
[21:15] <popey> yeah
[21:16] <popey> the blip down a couple of days ago I think was the removal of all the fake paid apps
[21:16] <kenvandine> ah
[21:16] <kenvandine> and the spike in june, contest?
[21:17] <popey> dunno
[21:17] <popey> i need to put some lines on it
[21:17] <popey> for milestones so we can make educated guesses why
[21:18] <popey> probably a better tool than gnuplot i could use, like some js graphing library
[21:18] <popey> when i can be bothered
[21:58] <robert_ancell> attente_, how goes the GTK+ work?
[23:06] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: I think you hit a new record this time. ;) Are you about to stop the pending SRUs?
[23:07] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, I don't think we need to stop the SRUs do we? It will just come in the following one
[23:08] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: No, I don't think so either.