[00:00] <membrell_> ali: can you name me some big chains or stores where you can buy this type of things? I can check their websites just i have no clue about the big herbal brands and pharmacy brands in the uk..
[00:02] <ali1234> i could but i've already checked them all
[00:02] <ali1234> which means boots and holland & barrett
[00:05] <membrell_> and they dont have any of these?
[00:05] <ali1234> no
[00:06] <membrell_> hm, thank you for your search
[00:06] <membrell_> and this maybe: Swanson Ultra 100% Natural Eggshell Membrane ? or anything which contains only Natural Eggshell Membrane?
[00:07] <membrell_> i need 500mg/day dose
[00:07] <ali1234> no, nothing containing eggshell of any kind
[00:10] <membrell_> its strange
[00:11] <membrell_> i found many scientific research papers and it says its already in the canadian, usa and uk market
[00:11] <membrell_> but i see its  relatively new technology maybe thats why its difficult to find
[00:16] <membrell_> anyway ali1234 thank you for your help, at least you understood my issue, big thanks
[00:16] <daftykins> lul
[00:17] <daftykins> it's not about understanding
[00:18] <membrell_> daftykins: so, its about not helping?
[00:18] <daftykins> totally irrelevant for this channel yep
[00:18] <daftykins> plus i'm not from England so don't know their shops anyway
[00:19] <daftykins> it's just ridiculous that you would have such a plan to begin with, let alone to come on freenode and ask for help with it :P
[00:19] <daftykins> ho-hum
[00:20] <membrell_> ok, do you have any better idea?:)
[00:21] <ali1234> go to hospital?
[00:21] <daftykins> yes, go anywhere but here
[00:21] <daftykins> go to your doctor
[00:21] <membrell_> ali1234: I have been visiting doctors since august, MRI, ultrasound, xray, all happened...
[00:22] <daftykins> do something that's actually responsible, not looking for wonder cures
[00:22] <membrell_> its not wonder cures, its real science
[00:22] <daftykins> haha, yeah whatever
[00:22] <membrell_> if you check the links you can see yourself
[00:22] <daftykins> i don't care for your links
[00:24] <membrell_> so why are you questioning something without any base or knowledge just because its against of your taste?
[00:25] <daftykins> nevermind, you're a waste of my time
[00:25] <daftykins> goodbye
[00:25] <membrell_> daftykins: sorry, i dont want to disturb you, im just looking for help to solve my issue
[00:26] <membrell_> ali1234:  and this one? http://www.jamiesonvitamins.com/NEM
[00:26] <daftykins> #ubuntu-uk is for the support of an *operating system*
[00:27] <ali1234> wb
[00:27] <ali1234> membrell_: just get some cod liver oil, it does the same thing
[00:28] <membrell_> ali1234:  no, its very different
[00:28] <membrell_> also its different then glucosamine sulfate and MSM and chroinditin, because its doing something else
[00:28] <membrell_> and this is very natural product
[00:29] <ali1234> cod liver oil is natural
[00:29] <ali1234> and glucosamine comes from shellfish
[00:30] <membrell_> its true
[00:31] <membrell_> http://www.wholefoodsmagazine.com/news/breaking-news/eggshell-membrane-provides-joint-relief-clinical-trial853453
[00:31] <membrell_> this is a clinical trial made in november, 2014
[00:31] <membrell_> in germany
[00:31] <membrell_> they just accepted it a few weeks ago
[00:43] <membrell_> and maybe (maybe) this is the solution: http://www.reddremedies.com/Nerve-Shield.html or this: http://www.reddremedies.com/Joint-Health-Original-30.html I just have to find it where to buy in london, but it seems to be a mission impossible
[00:47] <membrell_> thank you for your help guys
[00:47] <membrell_> bye for now
[00:47] <membrell_> i wish you good health:) thanks ali1234  for your searches
[00:47] <membrell_> bye
[04:48] <mapps> HOMELAND TIME
[04:48] <mapps> :)
[04:48] <Anastasius> Is it?
[04:48] <mapps> yes
[04:48] <mapps> :D
[04:48] <mapps> you dont watch it?
[04:49] <Anastasius> I actually haven't seen it. Heard it was good, though.
[04:49] <mapps> ya tis dope
[08:06] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:48] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:48] <MooDoo> morning
[08:48] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:51] <popey> yo
[08:53] <DJones> Ugh, I hate seeing accidents on the way to work, even worse when its a child hit by a car
[08:54] <popey> ☹
[08:57] <MooDoo> DJones: omg :(
[08:58] <MooDoo> DJones: poor thing :(
[08:59] <DJones> Yeah, didn't look good, I'm assuming it was a child, covered completely in coats, police & ambulance nowhere in sight yet and local hospital is only about 5 minutes away
[08:59] <MooDoo> fingers crossed it wasn't too serious, as being hit by a car can be :L(
[08:59] <MooDoo> :(
[09:00] <DJones> Very much crossed, but the fact that they were completely covered including the face & head makes me think its more serious
[09:00] <MooDoo> i'm going with the, to keep them warm on this very cold day approach!
[09:00] <MooDoo> thinking nice thoughts
[09:01] <DJones> Must have only happened a couple of minutes before I got there, I think the kids mother had just come running to the accident
[09:02] <MooDoo> :( it was bloomin icy this morning, had to scrape my car.
[09:02] <DJones> No ice here yet, but still cold enough to start the cars before going to work to warm them up
[09:03] <MooDoo> it's warming up here slowely...just cold
[09:03]  * popey did the dutiful husband thing and went out to start wifeys car
[09:03] <popey> then quickly came back in
[09:04] <DJones> Its always the same, the husband is the one that has to go out and start the cars, even when they're working from home & still dressed for bed
[09:04] <popey> ☻
[09:04] <popey> hope mine is defrosted by the time I use it this afternoon
[09:19] <foobarry> ford heated windscreen ftw
[09:19] <foobarry> although wifey takes to kids to school on foot
[09:22] <zmoylan-pi> better for them
[09:22] <popey> would take us about 1 hour to walk to school.
[09:23] <MooDoo> ouch
[09:23] <popey> with the amount they have to carry on a monday morning, not happening
[09:23] <foobarry> evernote was using 1.6gb in 2 tabs :S
[09:24]  * zmoylan-pi remembers the school bag i carried that weighed a tonne.  so much nicer when we got lockers in school to store the heavy books there and only carry them home when needed
[09:24] <foobarry> yeah, used to have a fear of ever forgetting the right book so i would take every textbook i had every day
[09:25] <foobarry> enough to give an 11yr old scoliosis
[09:25] <zmoylan-pi> and while i like ereaders and ebooks i don't think that using them as reference works is as fast as using proper paper book
[09:25] <foobarry> are there good pdf annotators for android?
[09:25] <zmoylan-pi> was gaming on saturday and while we all have tablets and the books in pdfs we all carry the paper books to the game
[09:26] <popey> "gaming"?
[09:26] <popey> like D&D? ☻
[09:26] <zmoylan-pi> well except me, my bag is full of nerf instead of books :-)
[09:27] <foobarry> wargaming, fantasy?
[09:27] <zmoylan-pi> ad&d, played first d&d 5 over the weekend.  first level character again... 12 hit points.  so fragile... :-) https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/536325948665503744/photo/1
[09:28] <foobarry> is it all book based or you have characters you move around too
[09:28] <DJones> MooDoo: Looks like the crossed fingers worked, just seen a news report saying na teenager & nine year old girl weren't seriously hurt
[09:29] <popey> phew
[09:29] <zmoylan-pi> click the link and you'll see we use table top minatures too.  our dm has massive collection of minatures
[09:29] <foobarry> ah, you need some terrain from http://www.amera.co.uk/product.php?range=f
[09:29] <MooDoo> DJones: great news.
[09:30] <zmoylan-pi> we just draw on the grid map with white board markers.  have seen terrain used and we have a few bits that we sometimes use.  but markers is enough
[09:41] <foobarry>  but less fun
[09:41] <foobarry> ;)
[09:44] <zmoylan-pi> well the scenery would end up in the way when arguments over rules break out and the nerf comes into play so we got fun covered too :-)
[09:45] <foobarry> you might probably enjoy reading achtung schweinehund
[09:48] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Celebrate Your Unique Talent Day! :-D
[09:49] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait how are you this fine day!
[09:50] <JamesTait> MooDoo, I'm feeling pretty rubbish this morning, tbh.
[09:50] <foobarry> JamesTait has a unique talent for commitment to the daily thing
[09:51] <JamesTait> foobarry, I'm uniquiely irritating. ;)
[09:51] <foobarry> mere mortals would have put a call on teh mailing list for maintainers long ago
[09:54] <directhex> for the curious, 2 pieces of microsoft's MIT-licensed .net have been injected into mono now - the parallel LINQ implementation, and their RegEx implementation
[09:54] <awilkins> Is Mono GPL or BSD-style?
[09:56]  * awilkins answers own question
[09:56] <foobarry> is it easier at this point to relicence mono
[09:56] <awilkins> Tools - GPL ; Runtime - LGPL ; Class libraries - X11
[09:57] <awilkins> AFAIK you still need Mono's tools and runtime
[09:57] <awilkins> Just the class libraries won't run without them
[10:01] <awilkins> Only really a concern if you intend to embed the runtime in something (from a commercial licensing perspective)
[10:01] <awilkins> For which Xamarin will happily flog you a commercial license
[10:22] <foobarry> is REST API have global standards, or is a per app implementation?
[10:25] <davmor2> czajkowski: I hope you aren't just sending random strangers to my naughtstep
[10:28] <diplo> foobarry, I don't believe they have standards, best practises. SOAP is more standardised as far as I can make out
[10:28]  * foobarry is poking in the dark
[10:30] <diplo> foobarry,
[10:30] <diplo> http://spf13.com/post/soap-vs-rest
[10:30] <diplo> I've read a couple of posts like that, but all the suppliers we seem to interact with are using SOAP
[10:31] <TwistedLucidity> SOAP is evil
[10:31]  * TwistedLucidity uses SOAP
[10:31] <diplo> It is :)
[10:32] <TwistedLucidity> It's even more evil when clients and servers won't talk, despite them using the same libraries! Seems they can't correctly interpret their own WSDLs.
[10:35] <diplo> Biggest issue I've had is with hosts blocking me access to the wsdl and the company supplying it not having it up to date
[10:35] <diplo> IT works though, 95% of the time
[10:36] <TwistedLucidity> We used to have issues like that, we now generate the WSDL and the proxies with each build. Makes life much easier.
[11:40] <davmor2> JamesTait: \o/ I celebrate my ability to break stuff
[11:45] <JamesTait> davmor2, is that unique, though? :-P
[11:46] <davmor2> JamesTait: to the level that I break stuff :)
[11:46] <zmoylan-pi>  most people aren't proud of it ;-)
[11:59] <daftykins> mornin'
[11:59] <daftykins> aww yes got there just in the remaining minute
[12:02] <Azelphur> Anyone here smart with fonts? I've got a font in conky and I'm trying to draw the same font in gimp at the same size, but they seem to use completely different sizing, wonder if anyone can help me figure that out.
[12:03] <Azelphur> I found some documentation online that claims conky uses "size of the font in pixels" but gimp font size px 8 is more like conkys size 15
[12:10] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: it's when you turn it into a plus like hmmm testing software for example :)
[13:55] <ujjain> is the kindle hdx 7,8 at 99pound worth it? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00CYR6UTM/
[13:55] <ujjain> people here have it? how horrible is it not to have access to the google play store?
[13:56] <foobarry> i had no idea you couldn't access play store
[13:57] <daftykins> maybe you can mod it on there :D
[13:57] <brobostigon> yep it uses amazons app store insted.
[13:58] <brobostigon> that is possible, yes daftykins
[13:58] <zmoylan-pi> is amazons store lacking much?  i get half my apps on android tablet from f-droid these days but i'm an unusual case
[13:58] <daftykins> ujjain: probably quite limiting on app count
[13:58] <ujjain> I hear about getting Google things on Amazon tablets being very messy, I googled a bit.
[14:00] <ujjain> e.g. first search, cloudmagic e-mail, not in amazon store
[14:00] <daftykins> ujjain: just get a samsung galaxy tab 4 or something
[14:01] <daftykins> here's the rule i live by for the most part... buy something for what it *is* capable of, not for what you think it might be able to do
[14:01] <ujjain> well, I don't like the Samsung (bastardized) version of Android, but it'd probably be easier to install an own one yes.
[14:01] <brobostigon> get a nexus, problem solved.
[14:01] <zmoylan-pi> depends on what you want to use tablet for
[14:02] <brobostigon> you can get cyanogenmod on many amazon tablets, and then throw gapps on it.
[14:02] <zmoylan-pi> for me a card slot AND 7 hour + battery life were 2 most important things
[14:02] <brobostigon> i agree, touchwiz sucks donkeys balls.
[14:02] <ujjain> Samsung specs seem less than impressive as well. Nexus seems old. Nexus 9 expensive.
[14:03] <ujjain> Maybe I'll wait until my Tesco points convert and get a Huddle2 like popey
[14:03] <brobostigon> get a samsung, stick CM on it, problem solved.
[14:03] <zmoylan-pi> does seem like you can't go wrong with the hudl2.  at that price especially :-)
[14:03] <brobostigon> i still have my reservations about tesco lack of ability to update android.
[14:04] <daftykins> i wonder, is cyanogenmod available for the hudl2? :D
[14:04] <brobostigon> i know it is, for the first hidl.
[14:04] <directhex> daftykins: wise advice.
[14:05]  * daftykins tips his hat
[14:05] <brobostigon> hudl*
[14:07] <awilkins> How about those Asus transformerpads?
[14:07] <awilkins> Does the keyboard still work
[14:16] <zmoylan-pi> i was really interested in those transformer pads till they changed the connector between version 1 and 2.  seems like they could have made a connector design that would last more than 1 generation
[14:17] <brobostigon> yes, microusb.
[14:22] <foobarry> ujjain: hudl2 is intel processor
[14:22] <foobarry> if you mind about that kind of thing
[14:24] <ujjain> what is the difference between intel vs arm? less support in custom firmware or?
[14:24] <foobarry> i was thinking heat and battery life
[14:25] <zmoylan-pi> and there's also the kickstarted campaign for the raspitab https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2019641820/raspitab-the-first-tablet-with-raspberry-pi-inside
[14:25] <zmoylan-pi> for less locked down os
[14:25] <daftykins> oh deary me.
[14:25] <ujjain> ah ok, right. I never thought of that, I'll definitely read about that.
[14:25] <foobarry> when i played with androidx86 then some apps didn't work , but that must now be fixed noawadays
[14:26] <zmoylan-pi> i think it requires the developer compile a version for x86 doesn't it?
[14:30] <foobarry> i think so
[14:31] <foobarry> i guess thats more common now
[14:31] <zmoylan-pi> so if they didn't or can't be bothered too you're left stuck
[14:31] <intrbiz> unless there was some binary translation layer
[14:32] <zmoylan-pi> coz java is already a speedy beast...
[14:32] <intrbiz> a JIT in theory can beat native, as it can make use of optimisation at runtime that a compiler might not be aware of
[14:33] <zmoylan-pi> 'theory' :-)
[14:33] <intrbiz> Java has a warm up time, due to it being a JIT
[14:33] <intrbiz> but it will easily out perform things like: Python, Perl, Ruby
[14:34] <intrbiz> and you get the advantages of a safe, GCed language over C / C++
[14:34] <intrbiz> plus, Android doesn't use the Java byte code
[14:34] <ujjain> Yeah, I hear Java is very very fast, which I do sometimes find hard to believe since all the desktop Java apps seem slowish even after a slow startup
[14:35] <intrbiz> Dalvik has a completely different byte code and a totally different virtual CPU arcitecture, Dalvik being a register machine and Java a stack machine
[14:36] <daftykins> i see unity still has single pixel wide activation areas for window / sidebar resizes
[14:36] <daftykins> how has this never been rectified O_O
[14:36] <intrbiz> ujjain: I mainly do server side Java stuff, Java's GUI stuff is frankly shit
[14:36] <ujjain> Yeah.
[14:36] <ujjain> But Java is still hard compared to scripting languages to program in, right?
[14:36] <zmoylan-pi> they petitioned for half pixel activation areas but couldn't sort the technical problems :-p
[14:37] <ujjain> are there even many Java frameworks that would offer you features like verifyEmailAddress?
[14:37] <intrbiz> ujjain: Swing is horrid both to look at and use
[14:37] <daftykins> i believe android 5.0 moves to using ART as default anyway, which 'compiles' the app at install time and runs it from that form instead of the standard way
[14:37] <intrbiz> ujjain: depends what you call hard and what your problem domain is
[14:38] <intrbiz> daftykins: yes, ART uses Ahead Of Time compilation rather than Just In Time, interestingly the earlier Android (2.1 and 2.2) releases didn't have a JIT at all
[14:39] <ujjain> I have no idea, I sometimes want to spend free time at work to learn interesting stuff, but it gets a bit boring without a good goal.
[14:40] <ujjain> ah Swing, never knew that was the name, very typical Java interface yeah. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Gui-widgets.png - Even without the logo.
[14:40] <ujjain> I haver some issues with Android L on my Nexus 5, battery life seems to have actually gotten even a little worse.
[14:41] <ujjain> I suspect having used a 2amps charger might have damaged my Nexus 5 battery
[14:41] <intrbiz> yes, bizarely, the 'Metal' look and feel is intentional, they wanted Java apps to look consistent across platforms
[14:41] <daftykins> devices should only take what power they want, no more
[14:41] <intrbiz> just a shame they didn't hire a designer
[14:41] <daftykins> doing android device upgrades without a factory reset is pretty pointless anyway
[14:41] <intrbiz> I've used SWT and QT before when I wanted a sane GUI
[14:41] <daftykins> it's like upgrading OS on your computer ;)
[14:42] <intrbiz> ujjain: most phones these day use a 2A charger, my S4 certainly does
[14:43] <awilkins> daftykins, alt-middleclick-drag is an easier way to resize windows in Unity
[14:43] <intrbiz> plus the LI-ion charge chip will charge the battery at the correct current regardless of the USB supply
[14:44] <daftykins> awilkins: ah interesting - kind of defeats the purpose to ruin the standard methods of operation though
[14:44] <awilkins> I did a wipe-and-factory-image of Android L on my Nexus 4 and 7 (2012) ; I'm quite pleased with the improvement in battery life
[14:44] <awilkins> And the new OS is spiffy, of course
[14:45] <daftykins> looks really ugly to me :(
[14:45] <ujjain> intrbiz, ah ok, then no worries on using a 2amp charger.
[14:45] <awilkins> Been using the 2A charger for my N7 on my N4 for ages
[14:45] <ujjain> spiffy hihi, I love English people using their language
[14:45] <awilkins> No damage that I've noticed
[14:45] <ujjain> I might have to consider doing a wipe-and-factory, might help.
[14:46] <ujjain> but the screen is unresponsive for like 2 seconds in the new battery saver mode, it seems a bit strange.
[14:46] <daftykins> it will do, unless you let Google keep backups
[14:46] <daftykins> that's kind of like restoring a bad /home to me
[14:46] <awilkins> I keep /home on a separate partition
[14:47] <awilkins> So I tend to reinstall / move home folder / move things back that I need to keeo
[14:47] <awilkins> keep
[14:47] <ujjain> I let Google keep back-ups and store all my private data, but it feels these days there are so many custom configurations, then I guess I'll just postpone the formatting, next time will definitely get a phone with proper battery.
[14:47] <awilkins> But I've upgraded the last 2 releases
[14:47] <daftykins> that doesn't affect restoring it post upgrade potentially bringing in issues
[14:50] <awilkins> No 1 Unity thing that annoys me : when you select an app icon from the dash, wanting to see it's window
[14:50] <awilkins> And a *tiny* sliver of it's Window is on this workspace
[14:50] <awilkins> It doesn't move
[14:51] <awilkins> Should put the workspace with the centre of the window on, not the closest workspace with a teeny sliver of window on it
[14:51] <daftykins> heh
[15:15] <popey> \o/ hudl
[15:16] <popey> I dont see any ports to the hudl2
[15:19] <Laney> blerg, double council taxing
[15:20] <MooDoo> Laney: oh dear
[15:20] <popey> 14:25:57 < foobarry> when i played with androidx86 then some apps didn't work , but that must now be fixed noawadays
[15:20] <popey> still a problem
[15:21] <popey> there was a brand new game out recently, crashed on start on hudl2
[15:21] <popey> i reported it as broken on Google play, gave it 1 star, they pushed out an update with two lines "* bug fixes" and "* Add x86 build"
[15:21] <popey> now it works ☻
[15:26] <ujjain> Can you manage AWS instances with Puppet?
[15:26] <ujjain> I want to improve my skills, everywhere I read puppet and Amazon AWS
[15:30] <foobarry> popey: which game?
[15:30] <popey> some new thing from the angry birds people
[15:30] <popey> a plane thing
[15:30] <popey> really hard
[15:30] <awilkins> Angry Planes?
[15:31] <ujjain> haha
[15:31] <awilkins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJRAlUS1Byo
[15:37] <popey>  its called "RETRY"
[15:43] <daftykins> Branston \o/ https://www.dropbox.com/sh/l9zroz8ijidgs5n/AADGYRD9OmFO4Bd7Ewn9zgg0a?dl=0
[15:45] <zmoylan-pi> i'll stick with a crisp sammich thanks.  preferably tayto the inventor of the cheese and onion flavoured crisp :-)
[15:46] <daftykins> :(
[15:46] <zmoylan-pi> actually might make some of those for tea...
[15:50] <foobarry> somebody in the cubicle next to me did a poo and didn't flush :@
[15:50] <foobarry> i wonder who these animals are, and what they do at home
[15:51] <zmoylan-pi> the smart ones just go in the corner, the not so smart ones...
[15:51] <daftykins> eww
[16:05] <ali1234> popey: does indicator-application work on unity 8?
[16:09] <awilkins> Why are people such grebs in office toilets?
[16:10] <zmoylan-pi> because they don't have to clean it
[16:10] <awilkins> If I leave a streak I deploy the brush
[16:10] <awilkins> We had the guy who would pick his nose and stick the bogies to the wall at eyeline height above the urinals
[16:10] <zmoylan-pi> i try to leave it as i found it, with extra computer mags for reading if anything :-)
[16:10] <awilkins> He didn't come in for a while, because it stopped
[16:11] <awilkins> Then bogy service resumed
[16:15] <foobarry> he went to work for us for a while
[16:15] <foobarry> bogey boy
[16:15] <foobarry> i also put up a lord kitchener poster "YOU! wash your hands!"
[16:15] <foobarry> because there was one jerk who never did
[16:17] <zmoylan-pi> though by now you'd think they'd have invented a decent door handle for the inside of bathrooms so that the last thing you touch with your clean hands on leaving is the door handle also used by non hand washing barbarians
[16:18] <foobarry> http://i.imgur.com/ijFIU1q.png
[16:18] <daftykins> sure - the top and bottom half :D
[16:23] <intrbiz> interestingly hospitals used to use copper door knobs, copper is antimicrobial
[16:24] <zmoylan-pi> the silver and gold ones probably didn't last long :-)
[16:24] <foobarry> TIL
[16:25] <foobarry> bacteria lives for shorter time on copper?
[16:25] <zmoylan-pi> but once polyester carpets were installed the copper door knobs would be horrible to use :-)
[16:25] <foobarry> why?
[16:26] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimicrobial_properties_of_copper
[16:26] <intrbiz> its due to the oligodynamic effect
[16:26] <intrbiz> silver is also good
[16:26] <intrbiz> aluminium and stainless less so
[16:28] <foobarry> anyone godo with xml and javascript?
[16:29] <intrbiz> foobarry: what are you attempting to do?
[16:29] <foobarry> i want to open blah.xml, read in 2 variables, and write one variable now, and one later on in the file. i can do it in one hit, but do variables get thrown away away you close the /script tag?
[16:31] <foobarry> http://pastie.org/private/shyjunc664id83jwmc3pq
[16:31] <foobarry> works for one section
[16:32] <foobarry> but i want NODES output and CORES at different places.
[16:32] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[16:32] <foobarry> probabyl completely simple to someone who has spent >1hr on javascript
[16:35] <ali1234> whaaat
[16:35] <awilkins> Dunno if variables get thrown away when you close the script tag
[16:35] <awilkins> Javascript is full of dirty globalness
[16:35] <ali1234> variables don't get thrown away when you close the script tag but i am 99% sure you are doing it wrong
[16:36] <foobarry> open to suggestions. i hacked down a script that had a loop in it
[16:36] <foobarry> i am also 99% sure too
[16:37] <ali1234> well first of all use jquery
[16:38] <awilkins> Hmm
[16:38] <awilkins> For this one thing?
[16:38] <ali1234> yes
[16:38] <awilkins> Use jquery when you get to the THIRD thing that jquery makes easier
[16:38] <foobarry> all i wanna do is simply echo some stuff from xml file on screen at various places
[16:39] <awilkins> Ah, well.
[16:39] <awilkins> Write the stuff with CSS classes
[16:39] <awilkins> Use CSS to put them various places
[16:39] <ali1234> yes, second of all, use bootstrap
[16:40] <foobarry> hwo?
[16:40] <foobarry> how?
[16:40] <awilkins> Foolish notions like writing a document that looks like what you want to appear on the screen are OUTDATED and OBSOLETE
[16:40] <ali1234> thirdly, don't use document.write, ever, ever, ever
[16:40] <ali1234> write the static html with whatever layout you want, and then insert the data into the DOM at the end
[16:41] <ali1234> do this using jquery
[16:41] <ali1234> theme it up with bootstrap
[16:41] <foobarry> do u have a simple example please?
[16:42] <ali1234> i have a really complicated one...
[16:45] <intrbiz> foobarry: do you have a sample of the XML ?
[16:45] <foobarry> yes
[16:46] <intrbiz> you can paste bin it
[16:46] <foobarry> http://pastie.org/private/xxchvinrxint76dcxxkr8a
[16:47] <intrbiz> nodes.xml is on a server right?
[16:47] <foobarry> yep
[16:47] <ali1234> that isn't a valid XML file you know
[16:48] <foobarry> probably...which?
[16:48] <ali1234> the first one
[16:48] <foobarry> that can be changed. the secodn one can't as its the output from rest api
[16:49] <intrbiz> foobarry: usually browsers don't let you do xmlhttprequests to files
[16:49] <intrbiz> foobarry: you might find using jquery makes your life easier
[16:50] <foobarry> certainly, if i find some good docs i'll do it
[16:50] <intrbiz> foobarry: something like $(xmlresponse).find('free > nodes').text() should do the trick
[16:52] <intrbiz> and for the second $(xmlresponse).find('issues').attr('total_count')
[16:52] <foobarry> thanks, i'll check that out
[16:52] <ali1234> http://jsbin.com/xipoduyomo/2/edit?html,css,js,output
[16:52] <ali1234> smething like this
[16:58] <foobarry> thanks
[16:58] <foobarry> will take a look
[17:00] <intrbiz> this works for me: http://pastebin.com/Z2xR33FL
[17:00] <foobarry> i am complete noob with this stuff, obviously i'm finding there's no shortcut
[17:00] <ali1234> yeah that's pretty much what i've got
[17:03] <intrbiz> or both of them together: http://pastebin.com/KxrtXfB0
[17:03] <intrbiz> foobarry: obviously you can load the XML doc via AJAX or however you need to
[17:04] <foobarry> thanks, just trying that now
[17:06] <foobarry> really appreciate the help guys
[17:06] <foobarry> that will work nicely with the page i am making :D
[17:17] <ali1234> foobarry: is the nodes.xml on the same server? cos if not the next problem you will have is getting cross-domain requests to work
[17:19] <ali1234> if it is on the same server this should now work: http://jsbin.com/xipoduyomo/2/edit?html,js,output
[18:16] <daftykins> damn, just missed the black friday deal on a Crucial MX100 256GB SSD for £60
[18:16] <zmoylan-pi> i thought black friday was the coming friday?
[18:17] <daftykins> yeah, been deals since before the weekend though
[18:17] <daftykins> this is amazon UK
[18:17] <zmoylan-pi> ah, 256gb.  make a chromebook almost useful if it can access those files easily
[18:19] <daftykins> don't think you can put standard SATA drives in chromebooks
[18:19] <daftykins> but yeah, this comes to my earlier statement that you shouldn't try to polish a turd of a device, just buy something right the first time ;)
[18:19] <zmoylan-pi> whoops read that as 256gb sd, not ssd
[22:34] <diddledan> quiet in here tonight
[22:35] <zmoylan-pi> tis
[22:36] <zmoylan-pi> time to grab a shower and then to bed
[22:36] <popey> shhh
[22:42] <diddledan> yeah. sleep sounds like a plan
[23:03] <zmoylan-pi> yup 4 hours of sleep then lie awake till morning... :-/