| MutantTurkey | any ppa expereicne here? | 01:11 |
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| MutantTurkey | i am contesting a ticket, they claim i wasn't parked properly on a 2 way... the reg says i must be parallel | 01:11 |
| MutantTurkey | but in fact i was parked on a grassy knoll of private property not on the street. | 01:11 |
| MutantTurkey | is it okay to admit to parking on private property of someone elsese property to try and fight this? | 01:11 |
| MutantTurkey | i need an armchair lawyer here | 01:12 |
| pleia2 | I hate gallery2 | 01:42 |
| Justin683 | hey all got a pretty n00b question for ya'll | 01:58 |
| Justin683 | im currently running a live vers of black lab linux off a pendrive, but I want to make a linux a default os to replace windows. Any recommendations? | 01:59 |
| MutantTurkey | yeah, i recommend Debian strongly | 02:00 |
| MutantTurkey | clear instructions, lots of packages, rather vanilla in terms of packaging, very stable, very solid, pretty easy to use, long support life | 02:00 |
| MutantTurkey | widely used | 02:00 |
| MutantTurkey | plus will get your hands sufficiently dirty to get some linux experience | 02:00 |
| pleia2 | Ubuntu is nice :) | 02:01 |
| MutantTurkey | also pleia2 wrote the ubuntu handbook so that makes her liable to help you if you purchase it right? :p | 02:02 |
| Justin683 | which distro of debian | 02:03 |
| MutantTurkey | debian is the distro... do you mean which release version? | 02:03 |
| MutantTurkey | I recommend Jessie (testing) because it's relatively up to date but still stable, I run stable on well servers and such so that I don't run into problems at all. | 02:03 |
| Justin683 | yes sorry | 02:03 |
| MutantTurkey | yep | 02:04 |
| MutantTurkey | Ubuntu I don't have much of an opinion on anymore. 7.04 was great! | 02:04 |
| Justin683 | ubuntu is just very widely used thats all... I ran linux mint for a little bit but I dont really like the interface | 02:05 |
| Justin683 | unity is a crap shot of a UI | 02:05 |
| MutantTurkey | that's ubuntu then | 02:05 |
| pleia2 | I use Xubuntu myself | 02:05 |
| MutantTurkey | you don't have to use Unity, but ubuntu is increasing designed arount it. | 02:05 |
| MutantTurkey | pleia2: is that still official? | 02:05 |
| MutantTurkey | I thought i read something like k/x ubuntu weren't getting the same support | 02:06 |
| pleia2 | MutantTurkey: official? it's still a recognised flavor, yes | 02:06 |
| MutantTurkey | something about support from cannonical maybe. sorry vague memory about it | 02:06 |
| pleia2 | same with kubuntu, lubuntu, gnome... | 02:06 |
| MutantTurkey | cool - gnombuntu? :p | 02:06 |
| pleia2 | canonical only supports ubuntu stuff in the main repository, they don't even guarentee support for universe | 02:06 |
| pleia2 | it's ubuntu gnome | 02:06 |
| MutantTurkey | got it | 02:06 |
| Justin683 | alrighty well i guess ill give debian a try | 02:07 |
| MutantTurkey | and universe is basically debians packages synced every so often? | 02:07 |
| pleia2 | all the flavors are community maintained, it's always been that way | 02:07 |
| Justin683 | try a live usb of it | 02:07 |
| MutantTurkey | Justin683: ubuntu might be easier to use | 02:07 |
| pleia2 | no, universe is packages canonical doesn't commit to supporting ; | 02:07 |
| pleia2 | ;) | 02:07 |
| Justin683 | ubuntu is super easy to use | 02:07 |
| MutantTurkey | debian's live usb probably will not going to be anything but a command line afaik | 02:07 |
| MutantTurkey | they might have an Xubuntu interface | 02:07 |
| pleia2 | so flavor packages, packages people upload directly to ubuntu, a bunch of stuff from debian (some debian stuff is in main too) | 02:07 |
| Justin683 | i just dont like UNITY | 02:07 |
| MutantTurkey | Justin683: they don't commit to one specific UI, you can use any. KDE , GNOME3 , XFCE 4.8, | 02:07 |
| pleia2 | Justin683: you have lots of other options :) KDE, lxde, xfce | 02:08 |
| Justin683 | interesting | 02:08 |
| pleia2 | I use Xubuntu that uses Xfce, not Unity | 02:08 |
| MutantTurkey | the thing is, ubuntu does the same thing as well. | 02:08 |
| MutantTurkey | mostly all large linux distros support a wide variety of packages | 02:08 |
| MutantTurkey | welp | 02:08 |
| pleia2 | too much for him | 02:08 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 02:08 |
| * pleia2 has laundry to fold | 02:08 | |
| MutantTurkey | "I'm outta here" | 02:08 |
| pleia2 | I totally broke gallery.ubuntupennsylvania.org today when I upgraded the serve to 14.04 | 02:08 |
| pleia2 | sorry, I'll fix it eventually | 02:09 |
| pleia2 | if it wasn't such a... :s | 02:09 |
| pleia2 | it always breaks | 02:09 |
| pleia2 | anyway, laundry | 02:09 |
| MutantTurkey | wait hold up | 02:09 |
| MutantTurkey | have you tried a static image generator? it might be easier and is definitely more reliable | 02:09 |
| MutantTurkey | you loose searching though | 02:09 |
| pleia2 | no, and that's a much bigger question for the whole team since even gallery itself hasn't had new content for several years | 02:10 |
| MutantTurkey | I used sigal for my band photos, it was easy, i just dropped images in a folder and ran the python script in the top level. | 02:10 |
| MutantTurkey | http://mutantturkey.com/ls/gallery/index.html | 02:10 |
| pleia2 | if the team is ok breaking all legacy links and switching to something new, sure | 02:10 |
| pleia2 | but I've kept this going because it's heavily linked to | 02:10 |
| MutantTurkey | true, anyway if it's easier to use, i find myself using it more often... | 02:10 |
| pleia2 | laundry :) | 02:10 |
| MutantTurkey | right - have at it | 02:11 |
| MutantTurkey | my PPA question is still up in the air guys | 02:11 |
| waltman | MutantTurkey: My only brush with the PPA was getting a ticket when I parked at a meter that had a message "out of order, follow posted signs". It said 2 hour parking, but half an hour later I had a ticket. | 02:16 |
| waltman | I protested it. It was a pain going down there and waiting to talk to someone, but it was worth it because they agreed with me that I shouldn't have gotten the ticket. | 02:17 |
| MutantTurkey | wow nice | 02:17 |
| MutantTurkey | what do you think about the logic of mine? | 02:18 |
| waltman | Keep in mind I was pretty sure I was in the right. I don't know about your situation. | 02:18 |
| MutantTurkey | while I might not have been parked parallel at all or correctly, i was in fact not parked on the physical street | 02:18 |
| MutantTurkey | https://www.google.com/maps/place/240+Osborn+St,+Philadelphia,+PA+19128/@40.0200216,-75.2050581,3a,75y,255.98h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sDVQWszRzaAq-byYhIPW8Dg!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x89c6b88bd8f8feef:0x9a22bb3662750ff9!6m1!1e1 | 02:18 |
| waltman | Did you have permission to park on this private property? | 02:19 |
| MutantTurkey | see how people park on the grass (private property) | 02:19 |
| MutantTurkey | no, but I didn't get a ticket for that, and they would need to prove that I didn't have permission | 02:19 |
| waltman | Wait, who owns the grass? | 02:19 |
| MutantTurkey | tickets must be for the correct charge to be valid. and I don't think you can post-crime charge the person | 02:19 |
| MutantTurkey | the people up on those porches | 02:20 |
| MutantTurkey | when they redid those condos they just made it accessible only by the next block | 02:20 |
| waltman | Were you parallel parked like the cars in that photo? | 02:20 |
| MutantTurkey | (did you see the google map?) | 02:20 |
| waltman | yes | 02:20 |
| MutantTurkey | mostly, except my car was more angled toward the brick wall, i wasn't parallel | 02:21 |
| waltman | Why not? | 02:21 |
| MutantTurkey | there wasn't much room to navigate | 02:21 |
| MutantTurkey | it was mostly parallel | 02:21 |
| MutantTurkey | say, off by 30 degrees or so | 02:21 |
| MutantTurkey | i wasn't parked like, facing the street or anything crazy | 02:21 |
| waltman | And how do you know those aren't considered normal parking spots on the street? | 02:21 |
| MutantTurkey | i live there... | 02:21 |
| waltman | 30 degrees is a lot | 02:21 |
| MutantTurkey | they are considered normal parking | 02:21 |
| MutantTurkey | but regardless, i won't contest the parallel issue | 02:22 |
| MutantTurkey | only that i wasn't on the street, so that rule doesn't apply | 02:22 |
| MutantTurkey | i was in fact on private property | 02:22 |
| waltman | I guess you can try. I don't have any idea what the law is in that case. | 02:23 |
| MutantTurkey | you have a PhD, let me link you to the specifics ... | 02:23 |
| MutantTurkey | http://www.phila.gov/philacode/html/_DATA/TITLE12/CHAPTER_12_900_PARKING_REGULAT/12_914_Additional_Parking_Regu.html | 02:23 |
| MutantTurkey | and | 02:23 |
| MutantTurkey | http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&ttl=75&div=0&chpt=33&sctn=53&subsctn=0 | 02:23 |
| MutantTurkey | section (b) | 02:23 |
| waltman | I also have a weekend's full of unread emails I'm going through, so I'll let you read up on it yourself. | 02:24 |
| MutantTurkey | I did. | 02:24 |
| waltman | Also my PhD is in computer science, not traffic law. | 02:24 |
| MutantTurkey | grr i am struggling to mis-quote your dissertation title to prove you wrong | 02:24 |
| MutantTurkey | but i can't remember it | 02:24 |
| waltman | My dissertation included a driving experiment, but not a PARKING experiment. | 02:25 |
| MutantTurkey | :-P | 02:25 |
| pleia2 | folding laundry cleared my head, gallery is fixed (rewrite woes) | 02:31 |
| ChinnoDog | MutantTurkey: It seems to me that unless the owner of the private property is pressing charges that not having your car parked in a place that they can ticket you is a legit way to get out of it. | 04:42 |
| MutantTurkey | there is also implied consent | 06:11 |
| MutantTurkey | because everyone has done it, for as long as i have known | 06:11 |
| MutantTurkey | no charges pressed before, one could argue the lack of their action is actuall implied consent | 06:12 |
| MutantTurkey | not as strong as written consent but still very valid | 06:12 |
| MutantTurkey | and since this is a PPD issued ticket, they probably will not be there for my hearing | 06:12 |
| MutantTurkey | it's a PPD ticket, but it all goes through the PPA | 06:12 |
| rmg51 | Morning | 10:30 |
| teddy-dbear | Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys,hamsters and everything else | 13:07 |
| waltman | http://amultiverse.com/comic/2014/11/24/dungeon-divers-talk-turkey/ | 19:54 |
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