[01:11] <MutantTurkey> any ppa expereicne here?
[01:11] <MutantTurkey> i am contesting a ticket, they claim i wasn't parked properly on a 2 way... the reg says i must be parallel
[01:11] <MutantTurkey> but in fact i was parked on a grassy knoll of private property not on the street.
[01:11] <MutantTurkey> is it okay to admit to parking on private property of someone elsese property to try and fight this?
[01:12] <MutantTurkey> i need an armchair lawyer here
[01:42] <pleia2> I hate gallery2
[01:58] <Justin683> hey all got a pretty n00b question for ya'll
[01:59] <Justin683> im currently running a live vers of black lab linux off a pendrive, but I want to make a linux a default os to replace windows. Any recommendations?
[02:00] <MutantTurkey> yeah, i recommend Debian strongly
[02:00] <MutantTurkey> clear instructions, lots of packages, rather vanilla in terms of packaging, very stable, very solid, pretty easy to use, long support life
[02:00] <MutantTurkey> widely used
[02:00] <MutantTurkey> plus will get your hands sufficiently dirty to get some linux experience
[02:01] <pleia2> Ubuntu is nice :)
[02:02] <MutantTurkey> also pleia2 wrote the ubuntu handbook so that makes her liable to help you if you purchase it right? :p
[02:03] <Justin683> which distro of debian
[02:03] <MutantTurkey> debian is the distro... do you mean which release version?
[02:03] <MutantTurkey> I recommend Jessie (testing) because it's relatively up to date but still stable, I run stable on well servers and such so that I don't run into problems at all.
[02:03] <Justin683> yes sorry
[02:04] <MutantTurkey> yep
[02:04] <MutantTurkey> Ubuntu I don't have much of an opinion on anymore. 7.04 was great!
[02:05] <Justin683> ubuntu is just very widely used thats all... I ran linux mint for a little bit but I dont really like the interface
[02:05] <Justin683> unity is a crap shot of a UI
[02:05] <MutantTurkey> that's ubuntu then
[02:05] <pleia2> I use Xubuntu myself
[02:05] <MutantTurkey> you don't have to use Unity, but ubuntu is increasing designed arount it.
[02:05] <MutantTurkey> pleia2: is that still official?
[02:06] <MutantTurkey> I thought i read something like k/x ubuntu weren't getting the same support
[02:06] <pleia2> MutantTurkey: official? it's still a recognised flavor, yes
[02:06] <MutantTurkey> something about support from cannonical maybe. sorry vague memory about it
[02:06] <pleia2> same with kubuntu, lubuntu, gnome...
[02:06] <MutantTurkey> cool - gnombuntu? :p
[02:06] <pleia2> canonical only supports ubuntu stuff in the main repository, they don't even guarentee support for universe
[02:06] <pleia2> it's ubuntu gnome
[02:06] <MutantTurkey> got it
[02:07] <Justin683> alrighty well i guess ill give debian a try
[02:07] <MutantTurkey> and universe is basically debians packages synced every so often?
[02:07] <pleia2> all the flavors are community maintained, it's always been that way
[02:07] <Justin683> try a live usb of it
[02:07] <MutantTurkey> Justin683: ubuntu might be easier to use
[02:07] <pleia2> no, universe is packages canonical doesn't commit to supporting ;
[02:07] <pleia2> ;)
[02:07] <Justin683> ubuntu is super easy to use
[02:07] <MutantTurkey> debian's live usb probably will not going to be anything but a command line afaik
[02:07] <MutantTurkey> they might have an Xubuntu interface
[02:07] <pleia2> so flavor packages, packages people upload directly to ubuntu, a bunch of stuff from debian (some debian stuff is in main too)
[02:07] <Justin683> i just dont like UNITY
[02:07] <MutantTurkey> Justin683: they don't commit to one specific UI, you can use any. KDE , GNOME3 , XFCE 4.8,
[02:08] <pleia2> Justin683: you have lots of other options :) KDE, lxde, xfce
[02:08] <Justin683> interesting
[02:08] <pleia2> I use Xubuntu that uses Xfce, not Unity
[02:08] <MutantTurkey> the thing is, ubuntu does the same thing as well.
[02:08] <MutantTurkey> mostly all large linux distros support a wide variety of packages
[02:08] <MutantTurkey> welp
[02:08] <pleia2> too much for him
[02:08] <pleia2> hehe
[02:08]  * pleia2 has laundry to fold
[02:08] <MutantTurkey> "I'm outta here"
[02:08] <pleia2> I totally broke gallery.ubuntupennsylvania.org today when I upgraded the serve to 14.04
[02:09] <pleia2> sorry, I'll fix it eventually
[02:09] <pleia2> if it wasn't such a... :s
[02:09] <pleia2> it always breaks
[02:09] <pleia2> anyway, laundry
[02:09] <MutantTurkey> wait hold up
[02:09] <MutantTurkey> have you tried a static image generator? it might be easier and is definitely more reliable
[02:09] <MutantTurkey> you loose searching though
[02:10] <pleia2> no, and that's a much bigger question for the whole team since even gallery itself hasn't had new content for several years
[02:10] <MutantTurkey> I used sigal for my band photos, it was easy, i just dropped images in a folder and ran the python script in the top level.
[02:10] <MutantTurkey> http://mutantturkey.com/ls/gallery/index.html
[02:10] <pleia2> if the team is ok breaking all legacy links and switching to something new, sure
[02:10] <pleia2> but I've kept this going because it's heavily linked to
[02:10] <MutantTurkey> true, anyway if it's easier to use, i find myself using it more often...
[02:10] <pleia2> laundry :)
[02:11] <MutantTurkey> right - have at it
[02:11] <MutantTurkey> my PPA question is still up in the air guys
[02:16] <waltman> MutantTurkey: My only brush with the PPA was getting a ticket when I parked at a meter that had a message "out of order, follow posted signs". It said 2 hour parking, but half an hour later I had a ticket.
[02:17] <waltman> I protested it. It was a pain going down there and waiting to talk to someone, but it was worth it because they agreed with me that I shouldn't have gotten the ticket.
[02:17] <MutantTurkey> wow nice
[02:18] <MutantTurkey> what do you think about the logic of mine?
[02:18] <waltman> Keep in mind I was pretty sure I was in the right. I don't know about your situation.
[02:18] <MutantTurkey> while I might not have been parked parallel at all or correctly, i was in fact not parked on the physical street
[02:18] <MutantTurkey> https://www.google.com/maps/place/240+Osborn+St,+Philadelphia,+PA+19128/@40.0200216,-75.2050581,3a,75y,255.98h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sDVQWszRzaAq-byYhIPW8Dg!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x89c6b88bd8f8feef:0x9a22bb3662750ff9!6m1!1e1
[02:19] <waltman> Did you have permission to park on this private property?
[02:19] <MutantTurkey> see how people park on the grass (private property)
[02:19] <MutantTurkey> no, but I didn't get a ticket for that, and they would need to prove that I didn't have permission
[02:19] <waltman> Wait, who owns the grass?
[02:19] <MutantTurkey> tickets must be for the correct charge to be valid. and I don't think you can post-crime charge the person
[02:20] <MutantTurkey> the people up on those porches
[02:20] <MutantTurkey> when they redid those condos they just made it accessible only by the next block
[02:20] <waltman> Were you parallel parked like the cars in that photo?
[02:20] <MutantTurkey> (did you see the google map?)
[02:20] <waltman> yes
[02:21] <MutantTurkey> mostly, except my car was more angled toward the brick wall, i wasn't parallel
[02:21] <waltman> Why not?
[02:21] <MutantTurkey> there wasn't much room to navigate
[02:21] <MutantTurkey> it was mostly parallel
[02:21] <MutantTurkey> say, off by 30 degrees or so
[02:21] <MutantTurkey> i wasn't parked like, facing the street or anything crazy
[02:21] <waltman> And how do you know those aren't considered normal parking spots on the street?
[02:21] <MutantTurkey> i live there...
[02:21] <waltman> 30 degrees is a lot
[02:21] <MutantTurkey> they are considered normal parking
[02:22] <MutantTurkey> but regardless, i won't contest the parallel issue
[02:22] <MutantTurkey> only that i wasn't on the street, so that rule doesn't apply
[02:22] <MutantTurkey> i was in fact on private property
[02:23] <waltman> I guess you can try. I don't have any idea what the law is in that case.
[02:23] <MutantTurkey> you have a PhD, let me link you to the specifics ...
[02:23] <MutantTurkey> http://www.phila.gov/philacode/html/_DATA/TITLE12/CHAPTER_12_900_PARKING_REGULAT/12_914_Additional_Parking_Regu.html
[02:23] <MutantTurkey> and
[02:23] <MutantTurkey> http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&ttl=75&div=0&chpt=33&sctn=53&subsctn=0
[02:23] <MutantTurkey> section (b)
[02:24] <waltman> I also have a weekend's full of unread emails I'm going through, so I'll let you read up on it yourself.
[02:24] <MutantTurkey> I did.
[02:24] <waltman> Also my PhD is in computer science, not traffic law.
[02:24] <MutantTurkey> grr i am struggling to mis-quote your dissertation title to prove you wrong
[02:24] <MutantTurkey> but i can't remember it
[02:25] <waltman> My dissertation included a driving experiment, but not a PARKING experiment.
[02:25] <MutantTurkey> :-P
[02:31] <pleia2> folding laundry cleared my head, gallery is fixed (rewrite woes)
[04:42] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey: It seems to me that unless the owner of the private property is pressing charges that not having your car parked in a place that they can ticket you is a legit way to get out of it.
[06:11] <MutantTurkey> there is also implied consent
[06:11] <MutantTurkey> because everyone has done it, for as long as i have known
[06:12] <MutantTurkey> no charges pressed before, one could argue the lack of their action is actuall implied consent
[06:12] <MutantTurkey> not as strong as written consent but still very valid
[06:12] <MutantTurkey> and since this is a PPD issued ticket, they probably will not be there for my hearing
[06:12] <MutantTurkey> it's a PPD ticket, but it all goes through the PPA
[10:30] <rmg51> Morning
[13:07] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys,hamsters and everything else
[19:54] <waltman> http://amultiverse.com/comic/2014/11/24/dungeon-divers-talk-turkey/