[01:11] any ppa expereicne here? [01:11] i am contesting a ticket, they claim i wasn't parked properly on a 2 way... the reg says i must be parallel [01:11] but in fact i was parked on a grassy knoll of private property not on the street. [01:11] is it okay to admit to parking on private property of someone elsese property to try and fight this? [01:12] i need an armchair lawyer here [01:42] I hate gallery2 [01:58] hey all got a pretty n00b question for ya'll [01:59] im currently running a live vers of black lab linux off a pendrive, but I want to make a linux a default os to replace windows. Any recommendations? [02:00] yeah, i recommend Debian strongly [02:00] clear instructions, lots of packages, rather vanilla in terms of packaging, very stable, very solid, pretty easy to use, long support life [02:00] widely used [02:00] plus will get your hands sufficiently dirty to get some linux experience [02:01] Ubuntu is nice :) [02:02] also pleia2 wrote the ubuntu handbook so that makes her liable to help you if you purchase it right? :p [02:03] which distro of debian [02:03] debian is the distro... do you mean which release version? [02:03] I recommend Jessie (testing) because it's relatively up to date but still stable, I run stable on well servers and such so that I don't run into problems at all. [02:03] yes sorry [02:04] yep [02:04] Ubuntu I don't have much of an opinion on anymore. 7.04 was great! [02:05] ubuntu is just very widely used thats all... I ran linux mint for a little bit but I dont really like the interface [02:05] unity is a crap shot of a UI [02:05] that's ubuntu then [02:05] I use Xubuntu myself [02:05] you don't have to use Unity, but ubuntu is increasing designed arount it. [02:05] pleia2: is that still official? [02:06] I thought i read something like k/x ubuntu weren't getting the same support [02:06] MutantTurkey: official? it's still a recognised flavor, yes [02:06] something about support from cannonical maybe. sorry vague memory about it [02:06] same with kubuntu, lubuntu, gnome... [02:06] cool - gnombuntu? :p [02:06] canonical only supports ubuntu stuff in the main repository, they don't even guarentee support for universe [02:06] it's ubuntu gnome [02:06] got it [02:07] alrighty well i guess ill give debian a try [02:07] and universe is basically debians packages synced every so often? [02:07] all the flavors are community maintained, it's always been that way [02:07] try a live usb of it [02:07] Justin683: ubuntu might be easier to use [02:07] no, universe is packages canonical doesn't commit to supporting ; [02:07] ;) [02:07] ubuntu is super easy to use [02:07] debian's live usb probably will not going to be anything but a command line afaik [02:07] they might have an Xubuntu interface [02:07] so flavor packages, packages people upload directly to ubuntu, a bunch of stuff from debian (some debian stuff is in main too) [02:07] i just dont like UNITY [02:07] Justin683: they don't commit to one specific UI, you can use any. KDE , GNOME3 , XFCE 4.8, [02:08] Justin683: you have lots of other options :) KDE, lxde, xfce [02:08] interesting [02:08] I use Xubuntu that uses Xfce, not Unity [02:08] the thing is, ubuntu does the same thing as well. [02:08] mostly all large linux distros support a wide variety of packages [02:08] welp [02:08] too much for him [02:08] hehe [02:08] * pleia2 has laundry to fold [02:08] "I'm outta here" [02:08] I totally broke gallery.ubuntupennsylvania.org today when I upgraded the serve to 14.04 [02:09] sorry, I'll fix it eventually [02:09] if it wasn't such a... :s [02:09] it always breaks [02:09] anyway, laundry [02:09] wait hold up [02:09] have you tried a static image generator? it might be easier and is definitely more reliable [02:09] you loose searching though [02:10] no, and that's a much bigger question for the whole team since even gallery itself hasn't had new content for several years [02:10] I used sigal for my band photos, it was easy, i just dropped images in a folder and ran the python script in the top level. [02:10] http://mutantturkey.com/ls/gallery/index.html [02:10] if the team is ok breaking all legacy links and switching to something new, sure [02:10] but I've kept this going because it's heavily linked to [02:10] true, anyway if it's easier to use, i find myself using it more often... [02:10] laundry :) [02:11] right - have at it [02:11] my PPA question is still up in the air guys [02:16] MutantTurkey: My only brush with the PPA was getting a ticket when I parked at a meter that had a message "out of order, follow posted signs". It said 2 hour parking, but half an hour later I had a ticket. [02:17] I protested it. It was a pain going down there and waiting to talk to someone, but it was worth it because they agreed with me that I shouldn't have gotten the ticket. [02:17] wow nice [02:18] what do you think about the logic of mine? [02:18] Keep in mind I was pretty sure I was in the right. I don't know about your situation. [02:18] while I might not have been parked parallel at all or correctly, i was in fact not parked on the physical street [02:18] https://www.google.com/maps/place/240+Osborn+St,+Philadelphia,+PA+19128/@40.0200216,-75.2050581,3a,75y,255.98h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sDVQWszRzaAq-byYhIPW8Dg!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x89c6b88bd8f8feef:0x9a22bb3662750ff9!6m1!1e1 [02:19] Did you have permission to park on this private property? [02:19] see how people park on the grass (private property) [02:19] no, but I didn't get a ticket for that, and they would need to prove that I didn't have permission [02:19] Wait, who owns the grass? [02:19] tickets must be for the correct charge to be valid. and I don't think you can post-crime charge the person [02:20] the people up on those porches [02:20] when they redid those condos they just made it accessible only by the next block [02:20] Were you parallel parked like the cars in that photo? [02:20] (did you see the google map?) [02:20] yes [02:21] mostly, except my car was more angled toward the brick wall, i wasn't parallel [02:21] Why not? [02:21] there wasn't much room to navigate [02:21] it was mostly parallel [02:21] say, off by 30 degrees or so [02:21] i wasn't parked like, facing the street or anything crazy [02:21] And how do you know those aren't considered normal parking spots on the street? [02:21] i live there... [02:21] 30 degrees is a lot [02:21] they are considered normal parking [02:22] but regardless, i won't contest the parallel issue [02:22] only that i wasn't on the street, so that rule doesn't apply [02:22] i was in fact on private property [02:23] I guess you can try. I don't have any idea what the law is in that case. [02:23] you have a PhD, let me link you to the specifics ... [02:23] http://www.phila.gov/philacode/html/_DATA/TITLE12/CHAPTER_12_900_PARKING_REGULAT/12_914_Additional_Parking_Regu.html [02:23] and [02:23] http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&ttl=75&div=0&chpt=33&sctn=53&subsctn=0 [02:23] section (b) [02:24] I also have a weekend's full of unread emails I'm going through, so I'll let you read up on it yourself. [02:24] I did. [02:24] Also my PhD is in computer science, not traffic law. [02:24] grr i am struggling to mis-quote your dissertation title to prove you wrong [02:24] but i can't remember it [02:25] My dissertation included a driving experiment, but not a PARKING experiment. [02:25] :-P [02:31] folding laundry cleared my head, gallery is fixed (rewrite woes) [04:42] MutantTurkey: It seems to me that unless the owner of the private property is pressing charges that not having your car parked in a place that they can ticket you is a legit way to get out of it. [06:11] there is also implied consent [06:11] because everyone has done it, for as long as i have known [06:12] no charges pressed before, one could argue the lack of their action is actuall implied consent [06:12] not as strong as written consent but still very valid [06:12] and since this is a PPD issued ticket, they probably will not be there for my hearing [06:12] it's a PPD ticket, but it all goes through the PPA [10:30] Morning [13:07] Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys,hamsters and everything else [19:54] http://amultiverse.com/comic/2014/11/24/dungeon-divers-talk-turkey/