=== johnlage_partyha is now known as johnlage === _thumper_ is now known as thumper [06:23] Good morning [06:26] pitti: guten morgen! [06:26] hey larsu, wie gehts? [06:29] pitti: gut danke! War gestern bei einem pub quiz. Und dir? [06:33] larsu: auch gut, danke! wir hatten ein schoenes 4-Tage Wochenende in Trier === duflu_ is now known as duflu [07:14] morning [07:17] lut didrocks [07:18] salut seb128 [07:19] bonjour didrocks et seb128 [07:19] hey pitti, wie gehts? [07:20] seb128: gut, danke! wir hatten ein schoenes 4-Tage-Wochenende in Trier mit Freunden [07:20] oh, pitti is back! [07:21] pitti: how were your days off? [07:21] nice! :) [07:21] * didrocks 's german is good enough to understand that without google translate :) [07:22] pitti, oh ok, that's why you were not online on friday ;-) [07:22] seb128: yeah, had Fri and Mon off [07:22] great [07:22] had fun there? [07:23] seb128: yes, it was a great surprise for Michael; we all hid in their room when they arrived :) [07:24] :-) [07:24] we did some nice hiking, looking at some ancient Roman things, and it was nice to see each other again [07:24] good weather? [07:24] seb128: et nous avons vu un film -- les filles de Monsieur Claude [07:25] c'était drôle ! [07:25] didrocks: oui [07:25] pitti, c'était en français ? [07:26] seb128: non, le traduction allemand, mais c'est un film français [07:26] ok [07:26] seb128: "Qu'est-ce que qu'on a fait au Bon Dieu" est le titre français on dirait [07:26] ah, I just translated the German title literally [07:26] oh ok [07:27] I know that movie [07:27] pitti: yeah, they changed it under that name for non french translations apparently [07:27] it had good reviews in France [07:27] didrocks: as-tu le vu ? [07:27] non, je ne l'ai pas vu [07:27] juste cherché, car le titre ne me disait rien :) [07:59] didrocks: wow, you've been busy :) [07:59] pitti: isn't it? :) I'm waiting on Lennart to review my patch though, (was fun to play with mount namespace) [08:00] pitti: on the *dm things and alternatives, I want to catch up with you once you are done with your backlog [08:06] pitti: and a proposal on how to handle debian alternatives with systemd (a more generic one, avoid the postinst snippets) [08:06] avoiding* [08:09] pitti: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=770404#71 (as you are not in CC) [08:09] Debian bug 770404 in lxdm "systemd: breaks lightdm, does not start anymore" [Critical,Fixed] [08:11] pitti, is there any info I can add or anything I can do to help debugging bug 1394063? [08:11] bug 1394063 in unity-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "[vivid regression] brightness keys aren't recognized" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1394063 [08:14] jibel: I think it happens on any hardware which sends out key events for those [08:14] so someone needs to merge u-settings-daemon with gnome-settings-daemon wrt. brightness handling (it probably changed with upower 0.99) [08:43] morning all. cold today [08:46] hey willcooke [08:52] hey didrocks [08:52] https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/log/?h=wip/mir-gdkgl [08:52] Trevinho has been very busy :) ^^^ [09:00] hey willcooke [09:00] yeah, saw that with Trevinho [09:00] I hope they don't work conflict/duplicate efforts with people in our team [09:00] we need a plan to get that in to the desktop next image. [09:01] Shall we discuss that in the meeting later on? [09:01] which reminds me... [09:04] yo [09:05] plait [09:05] © [09:06] https://plus.google.com/+DidierRoche/posts/jWJFV4e7C8a [09:06] I like Coder Toolbox from qengho [09:06] And ali123's "SDK Manager" is easy to understand [09:06] seems you are not alone, it's been +1 ;) [09:07] sdk manager is misleading IMHO though [09:07] you can expect it's ubuntu's sdk [09:07] fair point [09:07] maybe I'm biased because android's studio sdk manager is called "sdk manager" alone :) [09:08] ahhh [09:08] hey Laney, how are you? [09:09] I guess I'll challenge my chance and try running now [09:13] didrocks, morning exercice now [09:13] seb128: rain-free exercise rather :p [09:14] didrocks, good luck [09:14] or rain-free-tentative exercise rather ;) [09:14] thanks! [09:15] hey seb128, doing alright thanks, started packing last night ;-) [09:15] you? [09:15] I'm suspicious that I only had 2 LP emails this morning [09:18] I'm good thanks [09:18] packing, exciting ;-) [09:18] going to need more boxes [09:18] we have a billy from ikea [09:18] you need to subscribe to more packages! [09:18] 50% of the stuff from it = 4 boxes [09:34] moin [09:35] hey Sweet5hark [09:44] hey Sweet5hark [09:45] seb128: heya [10:33] Laney, testing your nautilus update, it vanished from the launcher on upgrade [10:34] we need to deal with the .desktop rename one way or another [10:35] seb128: settings migration can't handle this? [10:35] (what was it renamed to?) [10:36] larsu, what settings do you want to migrate? [10:36] larsu, nautilus.desktop to org.gnome.Nautilus.desktop [10:36] hate that transition, even if I know desrt likes it [10:37] ya, it's necessary [10:37] I don't think it's "necessary" [10:38] it's just that people decided they wanted to do activation this way [10:38] com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites [10:38] well, that's one setting [10:38] what about gnome-panel [10:38] or xfce's launcher [10:38] seb128: we can do activation without that. We want tons more apps and try to avoid them stepping on each other's names asap [10:39] seb128: right, we'd need migration path for all of those... [10:39] that sucks [10:39] indeed [10:39] we can't even know "all of them" [10:39] I vote for renaming back the .desktop to nautilus.desktop in the package [10:39] the other option is to put a map old_name -> new_name into GIO [10:40] that wouldn't work [10:40] e.g unity's launcher is not using gio to check if the .desktop exists [10:40] or I don't think it is [10:40] having an hardcoded list would also sucks [10:40] they don't? [10:40] not sure [10:41] do they spider /usr/share/applications/ themselves? [10:41] I wouldn't be surprised if they use some Qt api [10:41] at least in unity8 [10:41] next you tell me we need to patch qt as well [10:41] that's path to madness [10:42] fair enough [10:42] imho the only workable options are to undo the rename [10:42] ugh [10:42] this won't solve the problem forever [10:43] why not? [10:43] but I'm unsure to understand what problem that rename is supposed to solve [10:43] we'll always need to carry the patch [10:43] is what I meant [10:43] yeah [10:43] but we do care about compat and upgrades [10:43] shame that upstream doesn't :/ [10:43] dbus also doesn't allow names without at least one '.' in it iirc [10:43] so activation won't work [10:44] * larsu checks [10:44] >>> Gio.dbus_is_name('nautilus') [10:44] False [10:45] I wonder if we could workaround it with shipping the old .desktop with NoDisplay= or something [10:45] though that might be not displayed since that's what the key means [10:45] Actually=org.gnome.Nautilus [10:46] but then we'll need to patch things agin [10:46] *again [10:46] yeah [10:46] well, I just fail to see a way to not screw upgrades without carrying a patch [10:47] I wish people would think about upgrades before designing/implementing new cool ideas :/ [10:47] how is gnome handling this? [10:47] they don't [10:47] which is my complain [10:47] GNOME doesn't care about upgrades [10:47] they let that problem to distros [10:47] I don't see why they wouldn't if someone came up with an idea [10:48] so people on fedora will lose nautilus in their dash? [10:48] let's see what desrt has to say [10:48] I guess [10:48] Laney, we already discussed it on this channel when desrt was around [10:48] we didn't find a good option iirc [10:48] or did you suggest the copy with NoDisplay by then? [10:48] don't remember [10:48] though i'm unsure if NoDisplay might not confuse things [10:48] try it [10:49] well, I don't know what to try [10:49] I can't try every piece of code dealing with .desktop we have [10:49] I don't even know what those are [10:49] users could be using gnome-panel, xfce-panel, kde, $whateverotherlauncher [10:49] cairo dock [10:49] not to mention mimetype handlers [10:50] we currently have nautilus.desktop as being the default handlers for directories [10:50] I think the NoDisplay would be on the dbus activatable one if we did it that way around [10:51] I guess that would work [10:51] I don't know, I'm not clued up on this stuff [10:51] well, let's undo the renaming in the packaging then [10:51] at least until we figure out how to properly deal with it [10:51] I agree [10:52] ... [10:52] we should deal with it, though [10:52] let's wait for desrt to see if that would work? [10:52] it's not like we can update it today anyway [10:53] right [10:54] on that note, lunch, bbiab [10:54] enjoy! [10:54] Laney: oh, we haven't updated yet? Let's wait, then [10:55] nah, it's just in the ppa [10:55] needs new gtk :-) [10:55] ah right [10:55] * larsu hurries [11:00] hmmm, I might be riding a dead horse here .... [11:01] my kernel just decided it would be better for all of us, if my machine emergency reboots ... [11:03] thermal thermal_zone0: critical temperature reached(128 C),shutting down <- do you want fries with that? [11:10] Laney: not only is nautilus gone from the launcher, it also doesn't start for me [11:11] ? [11:11] nautilus -q; nautilus ? [11:11] actually, it is running nad providing the desktop, but doesn't show any windows [11:11] nautilus -w? [11:11] that works, but I need to do tht even after a reboot [11:37] xnox: you are TIL for gnome-keyring, mind if I upload a merge? https://launchpad.net/~mitya57/+archive/ubuntu/gnome-test/+sourcepub/4586839/+listing-archive-extra [11:39] larsu: " * d/p/01_fix-new-window-manage-desktop.patch: Fix opening of new browser [11:39] windows when nautilus is managing the desktop, cherry-picked from [11:39] sounds promising ;-) [11:39] upstream, should really Closes: #766021" [11:40] that's https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=ae4d4960d1c3e6316de0d1fd01fd34c88f65d673 [11:41] Laney: sounds good. thnks for tracking it down [11:41] * Laney tries [11:41] I did notice behaviour like that but somehow convinced myself it was fixed [11:42] weird [11:43] git pull --rebase ♥ [11:51] yep, this fixes it [11:51] * Laney updates ze PPA [11:52] thanks! [11:55] man, our theming is incredibly inconsistent [11:55] for example, nautilus' toolbar buttons have a border and gedit's don't === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:40] larsu, we don't really have app customization in the theme, specific rules are probably copies from the upstream ones because that was better than nothing [12:42] seb128: much of this is our theme trying to be very smart, not the apps [12:43] k [12:44] I can kind of see the old-style vs new-style argument for toolbars, but it _is_ very inconsistent [12:44] I don't even notice them being different [12:44] as an user I mean [12:44] what differences are we speaking about? [12:45] buttons in toolbars sometimes have a border (nautilus, evince) and sometimes don't (gedit, libreoffice) [12:46] gedit has a border for me [12:46] but that's gtk 3.14 [12:46] and you maybe don't call the shape around it "border" ;-) [12:46] right, we consider this to be a bug :) [12:46] seb128: the theme does ;) [12:47] has that been reported? [12:47] or is that so subtle that nobody ever noticed? [12:47] * seb128 boots an utopic vm to look at how things are there [12:48] you reported it [12:48] hum [12:49] I'm confused === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:50] I noticed :) [12:50] larsu, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/border.png [12:50] that doesn't have a border? [12:50] it does... [12:50] but shouldn't [12:51] whereas nautilus' toolbar buttons have a border and should [12:51] this is what I mean by inconsistent :) [12:51] why should nautilus have a border? [12:52] or you is that "should" according to our theme [12:52] and not "should to be right" [12:53] "should" according to our theme - and I agree, it looks stupid without [12:53] k, I think I understand now ;-) [12:53] sorry for being slow [12:53] haha, you're not slow ;) [13:04] seb128: I think I will have a 4.3.4 utopic and a 4.2.7+ trusty sru for you this week ... [13:07] Sweet5hark, great [13:15] (... and a 4.4.0~beta1/vivid for the ppa) [13:28] pitti: someone mentionned udev for the new UDTC names, it's tempting ;) [13:29] http://blog.didrocks.fr/post/Ubuntu-Developers-Tools-needs-you-for-its-new-name%21#comment-1711690429 [13:29] :D [13:30] How about "System for automatically pulling in the latest environments and libraries which are of specific interest to developers" [13:30] os just "systemd" [13:30] for short [13:30] ahah === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:32] willcooke: oh, its Friday! [13:32] :D [13:37] ok easy part done :/ [13:39] mlankhorst, ? Does it work? [13:40] yeah but missing support for timestamps, frame counters, and scheduling at a specific frame because mir doesn't support it. [13:40] nice work that man :) [13:41] mlankhorst, are we tracking the features we need but don't have somewhere? [13:41] not right now, but I guess I should open some bugs [13:41] yes please! [13:41] We agreed with kgunn that we would open bugs for feature requests and then they can manage them from LP [13:41] ok [13:42] we toyed with the idea of a spreadsheet or similar, but that was thrown out as a bad idea :) [13:42] guess who came up with that idea ;) [13:42] * willcooke loves spreadsheets [13:42] but yeah, LP is the best place for them [13:43] mlankhorst, when you're creating them please subscribe me to them as well so I can keep track [13:43] (or just send me a link and I can sort it out from there) [13:44] sure [13:44] thanks! === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:58] chrisccoulson, hi! How's that build server holding up? All ok? [14:59] willcooke, I can log in to it. I've not had a chance to set it up yet, but will hopefully get round to that tomorrow [14:59] thanks :) [14:59] coolio, let me know if you need anything === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [15:18] ok, xmir -rootless glxgears appears to work as intended (no copy done), xmir glxgears fullscreens too, xmir glxgears in a small window too. but vblank only works with -rootless for now. :P [15:23] nice mlankhorst :) [15:23] bregma, ^^ [15:23] not really in any type of efficient fashion though [15:24] mlankhorst, is the a PPA where my guys can grab binaries to test? [15:24] bregma: I'm still ironing out the bugs :P [15:24] mmmm. serial for breakfast [15:25] mlankhorst, we are not unused to bugs [15:25] currently lacking is support for syncing window movement with mir, placing windows at an arbitrary position (useful for menus), resizing.. [15:25] no support for cursor, it's hidden and default mir cursor is used [15:27] I don't think I can boot up a desktop on xmir at this point :P [15:30] oh, it's meeting time already [15:30] #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2014-11-25 [15:30] Meeting started Tue Nov 25 15:30:58 2014 UTC. The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:30] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Welcome to the Desktop Team | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For support please join #ubuntu | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2014-11-25 | Current topic: [15:30] hey [15:31] Roll call: attente_, desrt, didrocks, fjkong (out), happyaron(out), laney, larsu, mlankhorst, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, robert_ancell (out) [15:31] word up [15:31] bregma: yeah, seems I'm lacking TextureFromPixmap support :P [15:31] #topic attente_ === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Welcome to the Desktop Team | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For support please join #ubuntu | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2014-11-25 | Current topic: attente_ [15:32] Hey attente_ - how goes? [15:32] hi [15:32] not much from me, trying to figure out why new windows are not appearing with the gtk mir backend under u8 [15:32] attente_, did you see the commits to Gtk Mir backend from Trevinho? [15:34] https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/log/?h=wip/mir-gdkgl [15:34] willcooke: no i hadn't [15:35] i'll try it out though [15:35] quite some of those landed in trunk as well [15:35] no worries, could you sink up with him and make sure we're not duplicating efforts [15:35] would love to see the relevant pieces in Desktop Next image when they are ready [15:35] sink up! [15:35] https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/log/?qt=author&q=marco [15:35] *sync :) [15:36] we should probably land the new GTK first [15:36] ack [15:36] then backport the mir backend from trunk [15:36] it's a trivial backport [15:36] there's only one minor conflict due to adding libepoxy [15:36] yeah, independant files [15:37] should be just copy over and some makefile hacking [15:37] the trouble is in configure.ac [15:37] k [15:37] but it will take about 2 minutes to figure it out... [15:37] should have written autotools [15:37] rather than makefile :p [15:37] :) [15:37] nah... there are makefile changes too [15:37] but they're not problematic :p [15:37] ;-) [15:38] enough said on the topic I think :-) [15:38] :) [15:38] ok, so attente_ some stuff for you to check out there, and please ping Trevinho as necessary [15:38] let me know if I can do anything to help [15:38] #topic desrt === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Welcome to the Desktop Team | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For support please join #ubuntu | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2014-11-25 | Current topic: desrt [15:38] hi hi [15:39] what goes? [15:39] i added a patch to gsettings to improve efficiency in cases where people are not watching for changes [15:39] but this made some people unhappy (because in order to work, you need to watch for changes and then read a setting) [15:39] so then i reopened an ancient bug about being able to find out (as an object) when people connect signal handlers to you, in gsignal [15:39] i wrote a patch for that, awaiting review [15:40] i also did some misc hacking on bluetooth over the weekend mostly to scratch some personal itches on improving the bluetooth tether experience in NetworkManager [15:40] finally, i had a meeting last week with a couple of samsung engineers and amigadave talking about kdbus and what we will do [15:40] what was the outcome of that meeting? [15:41] for me, the task is working on the gvariant serialisation code to make it compatible with both (a) serialising to vectors in the style kdbus wants and (b) deserialising messages containing memfds [15:41] for dave the ask is adding zero-copy api to GBytes [15:41] for samsung guys the task is getting their patches to actually send a message... [15:41] we're planning to have regular meetings now every wednesday [15:42] we also now have #kdbus irc for us to sync up with the guys doing the kernel work [15:42] and we've already gotten a few feature requests handled in the past couple of days this way [15:42] and a bugfix... [15:43] (fin) [15:43] great! [15:43] say hi to Dave from me [15:43] willcooke: done :) [15:43] :) [15:43] lol [15:43] seb128, any more questions on the kdbus stuff before we move on? [15:44] no [15:44] #topic didrocks === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Welcome to the Desktop Team | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For support please join #ubuntu | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2014-11-25 | Current topic: didrocks [15:44] hey [15:44] willcooke: "hi back" [15:44] ;) [15:44] Ubuntu developer desktop: [15:44] * Multiple reviews on intellij and pycharm support on udtc [15:44] * Discussed and draw a plan with upstream jayatana guy (having java appmenu support). Waiting on him to merge his sources now [15:44] * We are not going to patch fonts this cycles after discussion with the upstream guy (I can follow up on details if needed) [15:44] * Will and I launched the contest for a new name! (http://blog.didrocks.fr/post/Ubuntu-Developers-Tools-needs-you-for-its-new-name%21), we welcome any proposals! [15:44] Systemd: [15:44] * Proposed and now waiting for upstream review my patch to fix the missing machine-id bug [15:44] * Continued (long) discussions and tests on DM and systemd unit alternatives handling… We will probably pilot some solutions on ubuntu compared to debian [15:44] * Continued (even longer) discussions on /usr and /etc separation [15:44] Misc: [15:44] * catchup with the DMB on behalf of the desktop team [15:44] * Bluez 5 validation is waiting on TheMuso to upload pulseaudio 6 (git snapshot) to the bluez ppa. [15:44] EOF [15:45] s/DMB/CC/ [15:45] thanks didrocks, and thanks again for standing in for me at the CC meeting (and Laney) [15:45] Laney: oh right ;) [15:45] yw [15:45] #topic FJKong === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Welcome to the Desktop Team | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For support please join #ubuntu | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2014-11-25 | Current topic: FJKong [15:45] * Completed Pulseaudio package merging, and built test debs for armhf just in time to... [15:45] * Started updating Ubuntu/Debian packaging for Pulse 6, currently 5.99.1. Am aware of the desktop team bluez5 PPA and will upload it there for testing with bluez 5 once ready for testing. [15:45] * Discussion with Debian and upstream about fixed point vs floating point performance on armhf, nobody has done any benchmarking atm. Debian uses fixed point on all arm architectures, we use floating point on all arches we support. [15:46] #topic happyaron === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Welcome to the Desktop Team | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For support please join #ubuntu | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2014-11-25 | Current topic: happyaron [15:46] Please email me your report happyaron [15:46] was that TheMuso? [15:46] willcooke, was that FJKong section the one from Themuso? [15:46] argh [15:46] copy & paste error [15:46] one sec [15:46] hehe [15:46] spoilers [15:46] * pinyin searching : I have write some code and shell scripts to get a maping table for converting Chinese character. [15:46] when supply a Chinese character it will return all available pronunciation, next step some more work need to be done [15:46] * Tracking a sogoupin bug: statusbar can be drag out of screen. [15:46] * meeting with NUDT: [15:46] 1 Discussing file manager feature [15:46] 2 Nudt give more suggestion about pinyin searching [15:47] #topic Laney === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Welcome to the Desktop Team | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For support please join #ubuntu | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2014-11-25 | Current topic: Laney [15:47] • Patch pilot [15:47] • Nautilus 3.14, some headerbar patches required for dialogs etc (fwded), in PPA [15:47] • Evolution 3.12.8 [15:47] • Found a crash bug in v4l which broke cheese, worked with upstream for a fix [15:47] • Fixed upgrade failure in gnome-flashback [15:47] • Uploaded new point releases of webkigtk/{vivid,utopic,trusty} [15:47] ∘ Helped out with some test uploads to diagnose a webkit/ppc64el bug in vivid [15:47] • SRU libgdata point release to fix a Google contact sync failure [15:47] • Made ureadahead's triggers interest-noawait to fix upgrade failure [15:48]