[05:02] <Kilos> morning all
[05:14] <Kilos> hi Tonberry 
[05:15] <Tonberry> hi
[06:17] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:40] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[06:40] <superfly> hi Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy
[06:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi fly
[06:54] <gremble> Good morning
[07:01] <Kilos> hi gremble 
[07:13] <gremble> How are you today Kilos?
[07:14] <Kilos> ok ty gremble and you?
[07:14] <gremble> I am well thank you
[07:17] <Kilos> with luck there will still be a sponsor for the namibia trip
[07:17] <Kilos> then you can have a break
[07:18] <Kilos> i wonder if canonical ever sponsors stuff like that
[07:18] <gremble> Haha I don't take breaks :P This Namibia think has got me thinking two things: I want to get the LUG at UP going again and I want to either write a new language for mathematical computation, or write an environment to leverage python's numpy and scipy packages
[07:19] <Kilos> ah  thats good you want to code
[07:22] <gremble> No. I don't want to code. :P
[07:23] <gremble> Coding creates more problems than it really solves. So I will do this with as little coding as possible.
[07:26] <Kilos> superfly: inetpro neelsie said he will chair tonight if one of you can give him maaz admin permissions so he can check out stuff to get the commands
[07:26] <Kilos> does he have to be online?
[07:29] <inetpro> but has he not done the chairing before?
[07:29] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:29] <Kilos> nope
[07:29] <inetpro> hmm...
[07:30] <Kilos> we can help him if he can just get the commands
[07:30] <Kilos> and please do the g+ thing
[07:31] <Kilos> ill try do the tweet thing
[07:32] <inetpro> permissions 
[07:32] <inetpro> Maaz: permissions 
[07:32] <Maaz> inetpro: Permissions: admin and chairmeeting
[07:33] <inetpro> Maaz: permissions for nlsthzn
[07:33] <Maaz> inetpro: You're not the boss of me
[07:33] <inetpro> ai!
[07:33] <Kilos> ai!
[07:33] <gremble> That should be meetingchair, otherwise it is a meeting about a chair :P
[07:33] <Kilos> hehe
[07:33] <gremble> instead of the chairman of the meeting
[07:34] <Kilos> the bot has his own commands
[07:34] <inetpro> gremble: rights to chair a meeting
[07:34] <Kilos> pm him and type in help
[07:35] <Kilos> inetpro: dont you have to first get him to auth you?
[07:36] <inetpro> Kilos: done already... don't have permissions to change permissions
[07:36] <Kilos> eish
[07:37] <Kilos> back to crash kid
[07:39] <gremble> http://hackertyper.com/ lol
[10:11] <Squirm> afternoon
[10:45] <Squirm> superfly: have you had much to do with the WUG?
[10:48] <superfly> Squirm: no, I don't have the money for the equipment
[10:50] <Squirm> superfly: I suppose, I guess it's probably around R1k
[11:00] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[11:09] <Kilos> hi zabear 
[11:09] <zabear> I might not make it in time for this evenings meeting, so I just wish to log here that I share the re-verification
[11:09] <zabear> Hi Kilos
[11:10] <Kilos> well try attend if at all possible
[11:10] <Kilos> more names logged in to meets also helps
[11:10] <zabear> will do if I can, but please mention my name then, if it could be done like that
[11:11] <Kilos> ok ty
[11:11] <zabear> am going to watch the new space movie and it is 3 hours long :-)
[11:11] <zabear> so I probably will be late
[11:12] <Kilos> whew
[11:12] <zabear> anyway, you keep well - logging off now
[11:12] <Kilos> cool ty
[11:26] <Kilos> zabear=piet beukes methinks
[11:30] <Kilos> yum just nuked an apple for 3 mins and it be very lekker
[12:19] <Kilos> wbb
[12:19] <Kilos> Maaz: watch them
[12:19] <Maaz> OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you
[12:31] <inetpro> haha
[14:04] <Kilos> inetpro: kyk net of choqok van die regte plek getweet het asb. ek sien net sharpeys maar het net ubuntuza ingesit
[14:05] <Kilos> im too old for this stuff
[14:05] <inetpro> Kilos: see https://twitter.com/ubuntuza
[14:06] <Kilos> oh cool ty you did it
[14:06] <inetpro> no
[14:06] <Kilos> gonna rain hey?
[14:06] <Kilos> no?
[14:07] <Kilos> this browser goes direct to sharpeys i think
[14:07] <Kilos> grrr
[14:12] <Kilos> 403 Forbidden: The server understood the request, but is refusing to fulfill it.
[14:12] <Kilos> grrrr
[14:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> aka "The server is being a 5-year-old"
[14:15] <Kilos> lol i always forget no to make ir rember password
[14:20] <Kilos> s/ir/it
[14:49] <Kilos> need to reboot
[15:07] <Kilos> sjoe had to use epiphany to tweet there and i cant copy paste, so not very informative tweet
[15:08] <Kilos> sigh and typos
[15:33] <Kilos> you staying for the meeting gremble ?
[15:34] <Kilos> oi
[15:34] <Kilos> that frightened him
[15:34] <Kilos> haha'
[15:40] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 wb
[15:40] <Vince-0> Hi kb
[15:40] <Kilos> lol
[15:40] <Vince-0> I mean Kilos
[15:40] <Vince-0> No tab on this keyboard
[15:40] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:42] <Vince-0> Wat we die oom
[15:42] <Kilos> same old just different day and you?
[15:42] <Vince-0> se*
[15:42] <Kilos> change keyboards
[15:43] <Vince-0> Ya ek ook. Trying another one now 
[15:43] <Vince-0> I'm in Jhb this weekend to see my bro and geekfest on Saturday
[15:43] <Kilos> lekker
[15:44] <Kilos> can you take some pics and give feedback for us?
[15:44] <Kilos> to add to our re-evaluation thing
[15:45] <Kilos> been a very slack year i think
[15:51] <Vince-0> I think very little of geekfest has to do with Ubuntu 
[15:52] <Kilos> haha
[15:53] <Kilos> take a ubuntu lappy with you
[15:55] <Vince-0> Don't have one. My bro is bringing a non Ubuntu dell for me that same day 
[15:55] <Kilos> haha
[15:56] <Vince-0> But yar, I agree that there has been little Ubuntu action locally
[15:57] <Vince-0> I did watch Shuttleworth's UDS video
[15:59] <Kilos> is backporting when you use an older app
[15:59] <Kilos> or vice versa
[16:01] <Vince-0> eg:  app repo for 14.10 apps that are built for previous version like 12.04
[16:01] <Kilos> ya
[16:01] <Kilos> like i have remastersys working on 12.04 and want to make it work on 14.04
[16:02] <Kilos> oh mine is backward
[16:03] <Kilos> ha peer got him
[16:24] <Joe_knock> Am I early or late?
[16:28] <Kilos> early Joe_knock but you can hang meantime
[16:29] <Kilos> meet at 20.30
[16:29] <Joe_knock> alright let me continue with my work then
[16:29] <Kilos> invite all your friends meantime
[16:30] <Kilos> lol
[16:30] <Joe_knock> You people are my friends :'D
[16:30] <Kilos> haha you feel like i do
[16:31] <Kilos> this is my home
[16:31] <Joe_knock> are you doing any black friday shopping? Kilos 
[16:32] <Kilos> i dont go anywhere Joe_knock 
[16:32] <Joe_knock> You can shop online
[16:32] <Kilos> medical reasons i think its called
[16:32] <Kilos> only stuff i ever buy is pc stuff
[16:33] <Joe_knock> Have you at least travelled a little bit?
[16:33] <Kilos> oh yes years ago
[16:33] <Kilos> travelled za apart from the west coast
[16:34] <Kilos> and spent many years in natal
[16:35] <Joe_knock> Jys a coastal persoon?
[16:35] <Kilos> was a lifesaver in toti
[16:35] <Kilos> now wending things in pta
[16:35] <Joe_knock> :D lifeguard :O
[16:35] <Kilos> ending
[16:39] <Joe_knock> musta been fun being on the beach everyday
[16:42] <Vince-0> Kilos you got it backwards. You're supposed to retire on the beach
[16:42] <Kilos> lol yeah
[16:42] <Kilos> beaches not such hot places anymore
[16:43] <Joe_knock> well you're in slowtoria now, so it kinda is like a beach
[16:44] <Golynx> many natural disasters gonna happen in the future, so best stay away from beaches 
[16:44] <Kilos> haha
[16:44] <Golynx> unless you know how to surf :p
[16:44] <Kilos> hi Golynx you staying for the meeting
[16:44] <Golynx> hi Kilos , yeah i just noticed meeting tonight
[16:45] <Kilos> hi amanica 
[16:45] <Joe_knock> How exactly can our east coast experience natural disasters? We have a giant island called madagascar protecting us :'D
[16:46] <Kilos> hi magespawn wb
[16:46] <magespawn> good evening all
[16:46] <Golynx> Joe_knock: its called global warming :p
[16:46] <magespawn> hi Kilos 
[16:47] <Joe_knock> As all the forums, etc. say, SA has more important things to worry about, like lights, water, internet and crime :D
[16:48] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:48] <Golynx>  lol, yeah , present tense :)
[16:50] <Joe_knock> Ek nou dink oor oom Kilos in say speedo doing the David Hasselhof and rescuing pretty blonde girls from drowning :D
[16:50] <Joe_knock> haha
[16:50] <Golynx> updated blackberry 10 OS from pc today size 1.1GB . Had about 5GB left, after update still had 5GB left 
[16:50] <Kilos> haha it was great fun
[16:51] <Golynx> now i can run Android apps :)
[16:51] <Kilos> in those days the prettiest girls came from pta
[16:51] <Kilos> thats good Golynx 
[16:51] <magespawn> Golynx, maybe they do not charge for os updates
[16:52] <Kilos> you hitting the jet setters with the bb
[16:52] <Joe_knock> Could be a local cache, and free local download
[16:52] <Joe_knock> Or, you first need to disconnect before data consumption shows
[16:52] <Kilos> he has more data now than he ever has
[16:52] <Golynx> magespawn: i saw they said the updates are free, but i did'nt know its actually free as in no data charge :)
[16:53] <Joe_knock> Oom, I think our Tukkies citizen will disagree about how pretty the pretoria women are ;)
[16:53] <Golynx> Kilos lol
[16:53] <Kilos> note i said those days
[16:53] <magespawn> Golynx, pretty cool if it is
[16:53] <Kilos> we saw then all from all over
[16:54] <Kilos> toti and durbs were popular holiday places
[16:55] <Joe_knock> I've never been to amanzimtoti/amazimtoti?
[16:55] <Kilos> even peeps from ct came to toti so they could swim and tan without feezing
[16:55] <Kilos> amanzimtoti
[16:57] <Joe_knock> aah im winning on stackoverflow, rep is decent :'d
[16:57] <Kilos> i go eat now
[16:57] <Kilos> wbb
[17:12]  * nlsthzn goes for a quick shower and will be back :p
[17:31] <Kilos> Maaz: nickometer Joe_knock 
[17:31] <Maaz> Kilos: Joe_knock is 14.4% lame
[17:31] <nuvolari> Joe_knock: my boss is inching towards position 19 in South Africa on Stackoverflow :P
[17:36] <magespawn> nuvolari, is that a good thing?
[17:41] <Kilos> what is stackoverflow
[17:42] <nuvolari> magespawn: well, with a score of 11 yesterday, I was 2096th :P
[17:42] <magespawn> ahh right
[17:42] <nuvolari> Maaz: google stackoverflow
[17:42] <Maaz> nuvolari: "Stack Overflow" http://stackoverflow.com/ :: "Stack Overflow Careers" http://careers.stackoverflow.com/ :: "Newest Questions - Stack Overflow" http://stackoverflow.com/questions :: "Why I no longer contribute to StackOverflow — Michael T. Richter" http://michael.richter.name/blogs/why-i-no-longer-contribute-to-stackoverflow :: "Stack Overflow -
[17:42] <Maaz> Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stack_Overflow :: "Newest 'stacko…
[17:42] <nuvolari> that one oom Kilos ^^
[17:43] <nuvolari> right, I'm outta here
[17:43] <magespawn> so it takes some work then
[17:43] <nuvolari> I had enough of Spring JPA and it's nonsense
[17:43] <magespawn> not hanging around for the meeting?
[17:43] <Kilos> be good nuvolari 
[17:43] <nuvolari> that's why I'm leaving
[17:43] <Kilos> he is at work magespawn 
[17:43] <nuvolari> need to get home for the meeting
[17:43] <magespawn> ahh right
[17:43] <Kilos> oh good
[17:43] <Kilos> hurry man
[17:43] <magespawn> still at work, overtime?
[17:44] <Kilos> they got some deadline thing
[17:44] <Kilos> last weekend as well
[17:44] <Joe_knock> How do I check SO scores?
[17:54] <Joe_knock> Okay found the site, but not local
[17:54] <Kilos> is that a gaming thing?
[17:55] <nuvolari> ok, going home, hope I make it in time
[17:55] <Joe_knock> It's the amount of points you accumulate for answering questions on a programming site
[17:57] <Kilos> ah
[17:59] <magespawn> on these sort of sites you usually get points according to how useful people think your answers are 
[18:02] <gremble> I've never had much luck there
[18:02] <gremble> People tend to not actually answer my questions when I have them
[18:03] <Kilos> lol
[18:06] <Kilos> Golynx: you gotta tether something tighter
[18:07] <Golynx> Kilos: haha, i had to install a Android specific app on bb via pc to run android apps
[18:08] <Golynx> took some tinkering :)
[18:08] <Joe_knock> there is a sort of art in asking SO questions. The mods are very quick to hellban folks
[18:12] <Golynx> Kilos: still using the old dongle on pc, dont wana hurt the bb battery too much :)
[18:12] <Kilos> lol
[18:12] <Lionthinker> I'm Leon Marincowitz
[18:13] <Kilos> hi Lionthinker 
[18:13] <Lionthinker> Hi Kilos 
[18:13] <Kilos> you only do that once meeting starts
[18:13] <Lionthinker> and guys, apologies for being late
[18:13] <Kilos> the bot needs to start the meet first'
[18:13] <Kilos> you early lad
[18:14] <Kilos> meet starts at 20.30 if nuvo gets home by then
[18:14] <Lionthinker> of gees, well then I'm really early as I was here last night as well worried I missed it
[18:14] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[18:14] <Kilos> i saw but was afk
[18:14] <Lionthinker> guys, be back then
[18:14] <Kilos> haha
[18:15] <Kilos> 15 mins man
[18:15] <Kilos> not tomorrow
[18:20]  * nuvolari snipes peer with a crossbow
[18:20] <Kilos> wb nuvolari 
[18:21] <nuvolari> dankie oom Kilos 
[18:21] <Kilos> you live close to work heyt
[18:21] <nuvolari> 15k's oom 
[18:21] <Kilos> ah
[18:21] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.agenda
[18:21] <Maaz> nuvolari: meeting.agenda is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20141125
[18:25] <nuvolari> Maaz: are you awake?
[18:25] <Maaz> Well duh! I'm not a feeble human that sleeps half my life away
[18:25] <nuvolari> good
[18:26] <Joe_knock> Does anybody use #seafile here?
[18:26] <nuvolari> I don't take selfies
[18:26] <nuvolari> oh, seafile
[18:26] <nuvolari> what's that?
[18:27] <Joe_knock> It's a dropbox clone
[18:28] <nuvolari> hmm. Never used dropbox either :P
[18:28] <nuvolari> Maaz: are you ready?
[18:28] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[18:28] <Vince-0> Maaz, I am Vincent Swart
[18:28] <Maaz> Vince-0: Huh?
[18:28] <Vince-0> Meh
[18:28] <Kilos> lol
[18:28] <nuvolari> not there yet Vince-0 
[18:28] <Kilos> he dont do that till meet started
[18:29] <Joe_knock> Maaz: Ek is jou pa
[18:29] <Maaz> Joe_knock: I'll remember that
[18:29] <Joe_knock> :O
[18:29] <Kilos> start meeting puts him in another mode
[18:29] <nuvolari> Maaz: ek
[18:29] <Maaz> nuvolari: Ek is jou pa
[18:30] <Kilos> hi blazemobile 
[18:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: begin Ubuntu-ZA Monthly IRC Meeting
[18:30] <Maaz> nuvolari: Huh?
[18:30] <nuvolari> er
[18:30] <magespawn> lol
[18:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: begin meeting about Ubuntu-ZA Monthly IRC Meeting (November 25th, 2014)
[18:30] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[18:30] <nuvolari> :O
[18:31] <Kilos> start meeting
[18:31] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.minutes
[18:31] <Maaz> nuvolari: meeting.minutes is http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-02-18-17-30-02.html
[18:31] <Joe_knock> Is port 8000 the default web access port?
[18:31] <Kilos> sounds familiar
[18:32] <nuvolari> Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu-ZA Monthly IRC Meeting (November 25, 2014)
[18:32]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:32] <nuvolari> Joe_knock: negative
[18:32] <nuvolari> port 80
[18:32] <nuvolari> (http = :80)
[18:32] <Joe_knock> It seems I am having conflicts running 2 "server-like" things on 8000
[18:32] <Kilos> Maaz: I am Miles Snarpe
[18:32] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[18:32] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[18:32] <Maaz> nuvolari: Yessir
[18:33] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction
[18:33] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[18:33] <Kilos> login guys
[18:33] <nuvolari> Welcome everyone :)
[18:33] <magespawn> Maaz: I am Greg Eames
[18:33] <Maaz> magespawn: Okay
[18:33] <nuvolari> thank you for making the time to be at the meeting
[18:33] <Vince-0> Maaz, I am Vincent Swart
[18:33] <Maaz> Vince-0: Okay
[18:33] <nuvolari> it is a fairly important meeting leading up to the reapproval of our LoCo
[18:34] <Kilos> Joe_knock: login or you lost somewhere
[18:34] <Joe_knock> Maaz: I am Joe Knock
[18:34] <Maaz> Joe_knock: Done
[18:34] <nuvolari> It's getting harder and harder to get the gap to be more involved :(
[18:34] <nuvolari> Joe_knock: is it your first time around?
[18:34] <nuvolari> (for a meeting)
[18:35] <Joe_knock> yeah, oom told me I should come for the meeting, but I read through your old meeting logs, nuvolari 
[18:35] <Kilos> gremble: you joining us?
[18:35] <nuvolari> well, welcome then Joe_knock :)
[18:35] <Golynx> Maaz: I am Gerrit Pas
[18:35] <Maaz> Golynx: Yessir
[18:36] <nuvolari> The meeting numbers are on the decline, but this is a tight time for everyone I guess
[18:36] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: ping
[18:36] <Kilos> inetpro: ping
[18:36] <Joe_knock> nuvolari: Actually, this should be a winding down time as we head into holidays.
[18:37] <Lionthinker> Hey guys
[18:37] <Kilos> wb Lionthinker 
[18:37] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Review previous minutes
[18:37] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review previous minutes
[18:37] <Kilos> now you can tell maaz who you are
[18:37] <nuvolari> http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-10-28-18-31-48.txt
[18:37] <nuvolari> ^^ for anyone interested
[18:39] <Lionthinker> thanks Kilos 
[18:40] <nuvolari> oh, the meeting agenda for those interested
[18:40] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.agenda
[18:40] <Maaz> nuvolari: meeting.agenda is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20141125
[18:41] <nuvolari> anyone to discuss something from the last meeting's minutes?
[18:41] <Lionthinker> nope, all looks good
[18:42] <Kilos> Lionthinker: tell Maaz who you are please
[18:42] <Lionthinker> I am Leon Marincowitz
[18:42] <Kilos> he logs who signs in
[18:42] <Kilos> you gotta put maaz in first
[18:43] <Lionthinker> Maaz, I am Leon Marincowitz
[18:43] <Maaz> Lionthinker: Alrighty
[18:43] <Kilos> cool
[18:43] <Joe_knock> just give me some time to read through the previous discussion
[18:43] <nuvolari> ok, I'm having a bite so I don't pass out :P
[18:43] <gremble> maaz, I'm Jaco Stroebel
[18:43] <Maaz> gremble: Huh?
[18:43] <Lionthinker> One day I'll get this registering right first time
[18:44] <gremble> maaz: I am Jaco Stroebel
[18:44] <Maaz> gremble: Sure
[18:44] <gremble> Same
[18:44] <Kilos> wb nlsthzn 
[18:44] <nlsthzn> finally!
[18:44] <Kilos> we hit a luck
[18:44] <nlsthzn> hi uncle Kilos :))
[18:44] <nlsthzn> hi everyone (if there are more people here :p)
[18:44] <Kilos> keep note because im sure you will chair in the future
[18:45] <Kilos> and login
[18:45] <nlsthzn> have we started?
[18:45] <Kilos> yip nuvolari made it home by 20 past
[18:45] <Joe_knock> looks like it was mostly about the LoCo meeting
[18:46] <nlsthzn> Maaz, I am Neil Oosthuizen
[18:46] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Done
[18:47] <nlsthzn> so em...
[18:48] <nuvolari> oh hi nlsthzn :>
[18:48] <nlsthzn> hey nuvolari , glad you are here :D
[18:48] <nuvolari> glad to be here. taking a break from work
[18:49] <nuvolari> Joe_knock: yeah, and we need tonight to be about it again :P
[18:49] <nlsthzn> awesome, never work to hard
[18:50] <Joe_knock> Okay, I've glazed over it. I want to raise the point that I don't see any major incentives of being a LoCo for "Ubuntu". We rather just wing it ourselves as a Linux LoCo.
[18:50] <nlsthzn> there is a few things from last time we need to check, is kbmonkey now the team contact, (it needs to be updated on launchpad etc.) and have we booked our date for re-verification... is it set and confirmed etc?!
[18:50] <Kilos> ty for coming nuvolari 
[18:50] <nuvolari> aparently [19:12:23] <maiatoday> Your team is set to expire out of ~locoteams-verified on: 2014-12-18.
[18:50] <Kilos> if you are an official loco you get to order free ubuntu dvds Joe_knock 
[18:50] <nuvolari> [19:12:23] <maiatoday> Our December meeting is expected on 2014-12-16.
[18:51] <Joe_knock> Kilos: Those DVDs aren't very useful. Most folks are downloading and sharing the .isos in any case.
[18:52] <nuvolari> agreed. and the *only* nice thing is them being branded
[18:52] <Joe_knock> I've given like 5 people .isos burnt onto a disk
[18:52] <Kilos> yeah but they nice to have and we get lots and can hand them out at parties
[18:52] <nlsthzn> nuvolari, but we need to ensure that the council is aware and reviewing our application and have us on the agenda
[18:52] <Joe_knock> and they're probably also sending only ubuntu itself, when we really need Lubuntu/Xubuntu
[18:52] <Kilos> not everyone has uncapped data
[18:53]  * nuvolari doesn't even have broadband
[18:53] <Lionthinker> not sure if anyone has been following the Ubuntu community list recently
[18:53] <nuvolari> nope
[18:53] <Lionthinker> Jono Bacon wrote something up about rebooting Ubuntu community which caused a storm
[18:53]  * nlsthzn follows all, sees all >.>
[18:53] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Evetnts
[18:53] <Maaz> Current Topic: Evetnts
[18:53] <Joe_knock> If they can agree to provide a wider range of ubuntu flavours, that might be nice. Ubuntu itself can be bloated for folks with 2GB ram
[18:53] <nuvolari> ugh.
[18:53] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Events
[18:53] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[18:54] <Lionthinker> one of the spin of results was Ubuntu Vancouver decided not re-register and simply call themselves Ubuntu Vancouver
[18:54] <nlsthzn> Joe_knock, Canonical is responsible for Ubuntu, the derivatives do get resources from them but are there own projects
[18:54] <Kilos> with the dvd all you need then is to install xubuntu-desktop
[18:54] <nlsthzn> I am not a fan of Randall Ross and some of his ideas
[18:55] <Joe_knock> nlsthzn: I understand that, but how much harder can it be to burn Xubuntu onto a disk than Ubuntu? If Ubuntu can't understand the needs of the locals (many of whom are still using XP on their P4s) then ...
[18:56] <Kilos> weve been official since 2005 so lets just do it again
[18:56] <Lionthinker> I'm confused as to what we talking about?
[18:56] <gremble> So the benefit, and only one mentioned so far, to being a LoCo is free DVD's?
[18:56] <Kilos> hopefully after ten years theyll drop the need to re-evaluate
[18:56] <gremble> That is terribly superficial
[18:57] <gremble> It is almost ridiculous that we should be evaluated actually
[18:57] <Golynx> so Unity 8 is the memory hog
[18:57] <Lionthinker> would Canonical sending dvd's of all the flavours really encourage re-registration
[18:57] <nlsthzn> re-verification is about more than this.  It shows that we have been commited to the ideals of the ubuntu loco's and we are part of this global "family"
[18:58] <Lionthinker> gremble, its not about being evaluated, its about greater organisation that shows greater results
[18:58] <Lionthinker> nlsthzn, agreed
[18:58] <nlsthzn> as I said last time we don't need to be re-evaluated but getting re-evaluation isn't difficult
[18:58] <magespawn> you also get a free copy of the official ubuntu book 
[18:58] <nuvolari> yeah, the re-verification urges increased participation
[18:58] <nlsthzn> please see the link I shared on the mailing list from one of the council members about re-verification
[18:58] <Kilos> very lekker book
[18:58] <magespawn> i think maia keeps ours
[18:59] <nlsthzn> he says if we spent more than three hours on it we spent to long
[18:59] <nuvolari> but when the team is too small and if the people don't have the resource-hours, it's troubling
[18:59] <nlsthzn> nuvolari, agreed, but that means we are not promoting enough etc...
[18:59] <gremble> If we re-evaluate, I suppose it is fine. I will do my part.
[18:59] <nlsthzn> spreading the word and getting people involved
[19:00] <Lionthinker> nlsthzn, I do that all the time anyway
[19:00] <gremble> I want to get the LUG at the University of Pretoria up and running again
[19:00] <gremble> It could be a child structure
[19:00] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: which is where we need the resource-hours that we don't have much of :P
[19:00] <nlsthzn> awesome Lionthinker :)_
[19:00] <Joe_knock> gremble: We are idealists in a world that doesn't need them, don't waste your time doing that 
[19:00] <Lionthinker> gremble, now that's a great idea. 
[19:01] <Lionthinker> what Joe_knock , institutions are the one place where cohesive actions around common objectives can be forged
[19:01] <nuvolari> some groups hate the idea fo being governed
[19:01] <nlsthzn> great thing about this is, if you have an idea run with it and surely others will follow (except if it is a terrible idea then we will just point and laugh :p)
[19:02] <nlsthzn> thing is locos are loosely governed by themselves and only need assistance from the council when they face something they can't handle
[19:02] <Kilos> nlsthzn: going on that link are we ok then?
[19:02] <Lionthinker> I don't ever get where we've been governed
[19:02] <nuvolari> maybe we should skip re-evaluation for 1 term?
[19:02] <nuvolari> and see how it goes
[19:03] <Joe_knock> What is Ubuntus policy for promoting other Linux distros? 
[19:03] <nuvolari> I doub't everything will fall to pieces
[19:03] <nuvolari> *doubt
[19:03] <Kilos> no man nlsthzn has spent time already getting us up to date
[19:03] <nlsthzn> nothing will change being re-evaluated or not if we don't change what we do and how we do it
[19:03] <nuvolari> oh
[19:03] <nuvolari> :P
[19:03] <nuvolari> then we don't want that wasted
[19:04] <nuvolari> can somebody chair the reapproval meeting? please? 
[19:04] <nlsthzn> I think ppl still misunderstand the concept of being verified and not?!
[19:04] <Kilos> nlsthzn: link?
[19:04] <inetpro> good evening
[19:04] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[19:04] <Maaz> inetpro: Done
[19:04] <nlsthzn> one moment uncle Kilos ... I was re-installing ubuntu so that is why I was late... :p
[19:04] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[19:05] <Lionthinker> In my understanding its just a health check to see if there are still a collective of people who still abide by the values of Ubuntu and have points of contact and social media sites and organise stuff occasionally
[19:05] <nlsthzn> some light reading - http://erielookingproductions.info/ubuntu/2014/11/57-verifying-verification/
[19:05] <gremble> Joe_knock: I was going to do it anyway, whether the world wanted me to or not 
[19:05] <Kilos> no man
[19:05] <Kilos> the link to our page
[19:05] <nlsthzn> oh :p
[19:05] <nlsthzn> one moment :D
[19:06] <nlsthzn> oh and I did very little on the page, I think kbmonkey did most (I may be mistaken, could have been maya or someone else)
[19:06] <Kilos> so what else is needed?
[19:06] <nlsthzn> the ubuntu wiki is so SLOW!
[19:07] <nlsthzn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReVerificationApplication2014
[19:07] <Joe_knock> alright, so we get approval, but can we ask them for just one more freebee?
[19:07] <nlsthzn> we could use some more testimonials and also we need the team contact to pitch up and speak on our behalf
[19:08] <nlsthzn> you are not going to get xubuntu discs from Canonical Joe_knock :p
[19:08] <Kilos> ill see if the monkey will be availble
[19:08] <inetpro> nlsthzn: thanks for your efforts
[19:08]  * inetpro supports nlsthzn all the way
[19:08] <inetpro> we need more guys like him here
[19:08] <nlsthzn> no that would be a disaster!
[19:08] <Lionthinker> not sure what pitching up at the meeting means, but I'll help out if needed
[19:09] <inetpro> haha
[19:09] <nlsthzn> last time we had about 15 of us in the meeting...
[19:09] <Kilos> mainly support, moral and otherwise
[19:09] <nlsthzn> was awesome :D
[19:09] <nlsthzn> the council couldn't get a sentance in edge wise :p
[19:09] <Lionthinker> sounds like a party
[19:09] <nlsthzn> was :)
[19:09] <Lionthinker> why wouldn
[19:09] <Joe_knock> If this isn't too expensive: http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/jumpstart-training   It would be nice if they gave us an Orange Box
[19:09] <nlsthzn> +
[19:09] <nlsthzn> +1
[19:10] <Lionthinker> why wouldn't we want to be evaluated then "sarcasm"
[19:10] <Lionthinker> Joe_knock, agreed, I'll keep it for all of us
[19:10] <nlsthzn> the orange box is seriously sexy
[19:11] <Joe_knock> Then I would donate my time to show the power of Ubuntu and OpenStack
[19:11] <nlsthzn> I believe our biggest concern is ensuring we have a team contact available and confirmed and that we have a date confirmed
[19:11] <nuvolari> nice work on the reapproval wiki! I need to add my testimonial
[19:11] <nlsthzn> +1 nuvolari 
[19:12] <inetpro> nlsthzn: now you just need to become a real Ubuntu member
[19:12] <nlsthzn> I am an ubuntu member >.>
[19:12] <Joe_knock> aah crap, the orange box is 8000 pounds. Okay nevermind, free disks it is.
[19:12] <inetpro> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers
[19:12] <nlsthzn> that is a lot of pounds
[19:12] <nlsthzn> search for not_found ;)
[19:13] <nlsthzn> I have been a member for about two years now I think (I am a moderator on ubuntuforums.org)
[19:13] <Lionthinker> aren't there requirements to become a member?
[19:13] <inetpro> nlsthzn: do you have a @ubuntu.com email alias that forwards to your real email address?
[19:13] <nlsthzn> yup
[19:13] <nlsthzn> not sure it is still working however :0p
[19:13] <inetpro> oh cool
[19:13] <Lionthinker> nlsthzn, do you get that by being a member?
[19:13] <nlsthzn> there is a few perks for being a member yes
[19:14] <Lionthinker> nlsthzn, such as?
[19:14] <nuvolari> :-/ I'm not a member
[19:14] <inetpro> you even have a certificate signed by sabdfl?
[19:14] <Joe_knock> Okay so we just need someone to be the main presenter on 16 December (which is a public holiday)
[19:14] <nlsthzn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership#Benefits_of_Membership
[19:15] <nlsthzn> nuvolari, I was wondering about that today... I am sure there are several people here on IRC that should qualify for all there hard work
[19:15] <Kilos> i dont see me there
[19:15] <Kilos> hi captine 
[19:15] <captine> eve all. 
[19:15] <captine> sorry i am so late.  
[19:15] <Lionthinker> Perhaps we should turn this around, instead of arguing about verification, perhaps we should all look at becoming Ubuntu members and in that way perhaps broaden our own local community
[19:15] <nlsthzn> inetpro, I never received my certificate... this countries postal system makes SA look world class
[19:15] <Kilos> you want to identify yourself with maaz
[19:16] <Kilos> haha our postal system has been on strike for 4 months
[19:16] <captine> how do i do that again?
[19:16] <Joe_knock> Perhaps shuttleworth should've donated that $50 million to an alternate postal service
[19:17] <Kilos>   maa I am name
[19:17] <Lionthinker> and I ordered sev eral books days before they started!
[19:17] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[19:17] <Maaz> superfly: Alrighty
[19:17] <Kilos>   maaz
[19:17] <captine> Maaz, I am Bradley Putzier
[19:17] <Maaz> captine: Okay
[19:17] <nlsthzn> +1 Lionthinker , I am sure that there is people here that could qualify for membership
[19:17] <superfly> (now that my IRC client has finally logged in)
[19:17] <nlsthzn> *are people >.<
[19:17] <Kilos> wb superfly 
[19:17] <captine> what's required for membership?
[19:17] <nlsthzn> \o/ so many people ! Hi all :)
[19:18] <nlsthzn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership there are different routes to membership
[19:18] <nuvolari> welcome captine, superfly :D
[19:18] <nlsthzn> some get it via IRC, some like me via forum participation
[19:18] <nlsthzn> others by being maintainers or devs etc
[19:18] <captine> thanks nuvolari 
[19:18] <nlsthzn> some for work in the community ... different paths with different criteria
[19:19] <Kilos> ill need help doing that
[19:20] <Joe_knock> Kilos should be a member for IRC participation
[19:20] <nlsthzn> Joe_knock, you read my mind
[19:20] <nlsthzn> staph it!
[19:20] <nlsthzn> :p
[19:22]  * nlsthzn sees it is almost 23:30 in sand land...
[19:22] <Kilos> eish
[19:22] <nlsthzn> could we action someone to ensure we have a team contact and date?
[19:23] <Kilos> ill follow up on the monkey
[19:23] <Kilos> and keep you all informed on his availability'
[19:24] <Kilos> didnt maia say she would stay as contact too
[19:24] <nlsthzn> if he is contact this needs to be communicated to the council so they can add him to the correct launchpad teams etc also
[19:24] <Joe_knock> Let's do these 2 things. 1) Find a representative, 2) Find this person by 30 November, else someone else must step in
[19:25] <Kilos> the contact person has to have some time to do the customs route and be able to mail dvds to the different areas
[19:25] <nlsthzn> well lets give kbmonkey a chance to get in touch, sometimes life gets hectic 
[19:26] <Lionthinker> someone should contact him anyway
[19:26] <Kilos> i will
[19:26] <nlsthzn> cool, here we can see who has worked on the document - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReVerificationApplication2014?action=info
[19:26] <nuvolari> oh come on! saving the wiki takes forever
[19:26] <Kilos> nuvolari: you still here?
[19:26] <Kilos> ah
[19:26] <nlsthzn> ubuntu wiki is slower than mud
[19:27] <Joe_knock> Okay well it doesn't matter about mailing the disks, as they will only get delivered in 2016 ;)
[19:27] <Kilos> lol
[19:27]  * nlsthzn is still waiting for 13.04 to arrive :'(
[19:27] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed verify team contact for reapproval meeting
[19:27] <Maaz> Agreed: verify team contact for reapproval meeting
[19:27] <Kilos> they get fetched at customs
[19:27] <nuvolari> uhm, I think the wiki is borked
[19:28] <nlsthzn> try again later... it happens nuvolari 
[19:28] <Kilos> who maintains the wiki?
[19:28] <nlsthzn> Canonical
[19:28] <Kilos> complain nlsthzn 
[19:28] <nlsthzn> lol
[19:28] <nuvolari> nice. conflict
[19:28] <nlsthzn> could be because more than one person was fiddling on it
[19:29] <nlsthzn> just try not to delete everything :p
[19:29] <nlsthzn> guys I am out, I get up in less than 6 hours and I have a pregnant belly to rub ;)
[19:29] <Joe_knock> make a backup!
[19:29] <nlsthzn> good night
[19:30] <Kilos> night nlsthzn ty for attending
[19:30] <Joe_knock> tc nlsthzn 
[19:30] <nlsthzn> my pleasure as always :)
[19:30] <captine> night
[19:30] <Lionthinker> thanks nlsthzn 
[19:30] <Lionthinker> later all
[19:30] <nuvolari> o/ night nlsthzn 
[19:30] <Kilos> inetpro: anything to add?
[19:31] <nuvolari> added testemonial
[19:31] <nuvolari> I need to get sleep too
[19:31] <nuvolari> wake at 4:30 to train at 5:00 :O
[19:31] <inetpro> sorry am having a terrible connection here again this evening
[19:31]  * inetpro trying to catch up
[19:31] <Kilos> what else is there of importance nuvolari ?
[19:31] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Next Meeting
[19:31] <Maaz> Current Topic: Next Meeting
[19:32] <nuvolari> Next meeting will probably the re-approval meeting, and one more around Christmas?
[19:32] <nuvolari> or will we skip that one?
[19:32] <nuvolari> meaning the next normal meeting will be in January?
[19:32] <Kilos> yip
[19:33] <Kilos> after re approval we can drift to january 
[19:33] <nuvolari> ok, good idea
[19:33] <Kilos> 4th tuesday 
[19:33] <Joe_knock> nuvolari: maia mentioned the next meeting should be on the 18th
[19:33] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed next meeting after reapproval TBA for January
[19:33] <Maaz> Agreed: next meeting after reapproval TBA for January
[19:33] <inetpro> are we not supposed to be present for the re-verification meeting?
[19:33] <Kilos> yes inetpro 
[19:33] <nuvolari> yeah
[19:34] <Kilos> thats the next meet
[19:34] <Kilos> date?
[19:34] <nuvolari> We need to find representatives(?)
[19:34] <Kilos> 18th?
[19:34] <Kilos> maiawill be here that night
[19:34] <nuvolari> ok
[19:34] <Kilos> then we just all join her
[19:34] <inetpro> when and what time?
[19:34] <captine> sorry to do this.  i am crashing.  really would like to get more involved where time permits.  not 100% sure where to help though (am accountant by trade so if there is something i can use those skills at, shout)
[19:35] <Kilos> ty captine 
[19:35] <Kilos> lets all try make the re approval meeting
[19:35] <Kilos> ai!
[19:36] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Closing
[19:36] <Maaz> Current Topic: Closing
[19:36] <nuvolari> Well, for everyone still around, thanks for coming to the meeting
[19:36] <nuvolari> we will definitely try to up the activity in the new year
[19:36] <nuvolari> and see that we don't stagnate
[19:36] <Kilos> ty nuvolari for making the effort to come chair
[19:37] <nuvolari> The reapproval meeting is a chance to get new life back into the LoCo
[19:37] <Kilos> who will chair next meet
[19:37] <nuvolari> You're welcome oom Kilos 
[19:37] <Kilos> me votes nuvolari 
[19:37] <nuvolari> not sure, the next one will be the Re-Ap meeting
[19:37] <Golynx> nuvolari: good job
[19:37] <nuvolari> will see if I can make it
[19:38] <nuvolari> I'll tentatively be available
[19:38] <Kilos> we need a chair here then we join maia at the re app
[19:38] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed tentative chair for Re-Ap: nuvolari 
[19:38] <Maaz> Agreed: tentative chair for Re-Ap: nuvolari
[19:38] <nuvolari> yeah, I worded that wrong
[19:38] <nuvolari> they have their own chair
[19:38] <Kilos> nm
[19:38] <nuvolari> just need a table and cutlery
[19:38] <Kilos> hehe
[19:39] <Kilos> ok you need to go sleep too
[19:39] <Kilos> you old peeps cant take the punch
[19:39] <nuvolari> Maaz: end meeting
[19:39] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:39] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-11-25-18-32-00.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-11-25-18-32-00.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-11-25-18-32-00.html
[19:40] <Kilos> ai! inetpro you gotta fix your connection man'
[19:40] <nuvolari> sorry, I screwed up the format a bit this time
[19:40] <nuvolari> Maaz: forget about meeting.minutes
[19:40] <Maaz> nuvolari: I didn't know about about meeting.minutes anyway
[19:40] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.minutes is http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-11-25-18-32-00.txt
[19:40] <Maaz> nuvolari: I already know stuff about meeting.minutes
[19:40] <nuvolari> Maaz: forget meeting.minutes
[19:40] <Maaz> nuvolari: Righto
[19:40] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.minutes is http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-11-25-18-32-00.txt
[19:40] <Maaz> nuvolari: I'll remember that
[19:41] <nuvolari> I need to dive
[19:41] <Kilos> night nuvolari ty lad
[19:41] <nuvolari> plesier oom Kilos :)
[19:41] <nuvolari> oom moet 'n lekker aand hê
[19:41] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[19:41] <nuvolari> good night everyone :)
[19:41] <Kilos> dankie
[19:42] <Joe_knock> all done? Kilos 
[19:42] <Kilos> ya long meet that one
[19:42] <Kilos> nuvolari: end meet
[19:43] <Kilos> ai!
[19:43] <Kilos> Maaz: end meeting
[19:43] <Maaz> Kilos: I'm not going to listen to you
[19:43] <Kilos> lol
[19:43] <Kilos> inetpro: tell him
[19:43] <nuvolari> lol
[19:43] <nuvolari> already did oom Kilos 
[19:43] <Kilos> ai! ek te stadig
[19:44] <Kilos> lekker slaap seun
[19:45] <Joe_knock> ill be off for a while too. tc folks
[19:49] <Kilos> ai! hard work to be a ubuntu member
[19:51] <Golynx> where is the beach when you need it lol
[19:52] <Kilos> hehe
[19:52] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:53] <Golynx> night Kilos
[20:34] <gremble> I think my router may be failing >.>