| bluesabre | elfy: thanks for the bug report... the sudo dialog assumes everything works since sudo has no password in live. Will fix for vivid | 01:12 |
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| Unit193 | Hmmm... New x-d-s in trusty will add the Settings submenu, and removes Settings Manager, so it appears. | 06:29 |
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| elfy | bluesabre: thanks | 07:52 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: hm? what x-d-s? | 11:14 |
| knome | xubuntu-default-settings ? | 11:14 |
| bluesabre | right | 11:14 |
| knome | :) | 11:14 |
| bluesabre | but "new" and "trusty" are throwing me off | 11:14 |
| knome | heh | 11:32 |
| sidi | ali1234, knome got 500ish replies on the first survey, 250ish on the second one | 11:50 |
| sidi | most open ended questions were used as a dumpsite for thank-you notes | 11:50 |
| sidi | i'll try some quick and mega-dirty grounded theory coding on the data, but mostly i'll strip the thankyou notes away and so i'll have relatively little open-ended data to process | 11:51 |
| sidi | most questions were like "what problems do you have" so easy to code | 11:51 |
| knome | yep | 12:00 |
| knome | sidi, did you ever send that mail to xubuntu-users? | 12:01 |
| sidi | knome, erm nope | 12:02 |
| sidi | posted on your forum | 12:02 |
| * knome facepalms | 12:02 | |
| sidi | and informed you so you can decide to advertise it in your own ways | 12:03 |
| knome | forums... :P | 12:03 |
| sidi | i got a lot of xub respondants though | 12:03 |
| knome | i'm not the marketing lead :P | 12:03 |
| knome | ok | 12:03 |
| knome | good enough | 12:03 |
| elfy | knome: on UF 30 people actually read the thread | 12:30 |
| elfy | bah | 12:30 |
| elfy | sidi ^^ :) | 12:30 |
| sidi | elfy, ah well ;P | 12:43 |
| ochosi | phew, finally read up on the meeting | 13:23 |
| ochosi | that was quite lengthy | 13:23 |
| ochosi | first of all, very sad to read that elfy | 13:24 |
| ochosi | if you wanna discuss anything there that would help you to reconsider, don't hesitate to get in touch with me | 13:25 |
| ochosi | i mean we've PM'd about this a few times in the past, so i think i have a good understanding of what's going on | 13:25 |
| ochosi | pleia2: i like the marketing ideas – very happy to see those flowing in! if you need help/support from my side, do get in touch | 13:28 |
| ochosi | and i agree that gathering some user data might be good, it's not intended as a vote on our default package selection anyway | 13:29 |
| ochosi | and in the end, even if many users want e.g. LO, we might still have technical issues with including it by default (e.g. image-size) | 13:29 |
| ochosi | but good to know what users think in general | 13:29 |
| knome | http://open.knome.fi/2014/11/25/preparing-responsive-design-for-xubuntu/ | 14:49 |
| elfy | nice :) | 14:51 |
| knome | ta ta | 14:52 |
| knome | about time i blogged about something :P | 14:52 |
| knome | last time was in february | 14:52 |
| elfy | heh | 14:52 |
| elfy | quality over quantity always works ;) | 14:53 |
| knome | sure, i'm avoiding pushing out crap | 14:53 |
| knome | hvae 5 draft articles | 14:53 |
| * elfy has none | 14:54 | |
| knome | heh | 14:54 |
| knome | maybe you should start blogging ;) | 14:54 |
| elfy | as close as I've come is as close as I'd like to be :) | 14:55 |
| knome | heh | 14:55 |
| elfy | done bits for xubuntu and the fc | 14:55 |
| knome | though personal blogging is something completely different... | 14:55 |
| knome | i mean, it has that very different feel, since you really don't have to stick to being kind of "boring" | 14:56 |
| elfy | of course - never ever been bothered by it to be honest :) | 14:56 |
| knome | though i guess i still kind of like to be boring... | 14:56 |
| elfy | much like all the 'social' stuff - no interest in that either | 14:56 |
| knome | yeah, not touching that either | 14:56 |
| elfy | :) | 14:57 |
| knome | a place where snarky comments win over thought-out, longer commentary is not for me, generally speaking | 14:57 |
| knome | one could argue that IRC is one of those places... but it really depends much on the channel | 14:57 |
| knome | that said, we should probably stop or move over #xubuntu-offtopic :P | 14:58 |
| elfy | slickymasterWork: thanks - all merged and synced | 15:32 |
| slickymasterWork | ok, thanks for that elfy | 15:32 |
| slickymasterWork | over Testsuite C right now | 15:33 |
| elfy | thanks :) | 15:34 |
| elfy | that really bored the life out of me for the last 2 sessions :) | 15:34 |
| slickymasterWork | well, the first one is a miss (Abiword) | 15:40 |
| elfy | you see the same bug? | 15:42 |
| elfy | oh nvm - so could I :D | 15:42 |
| slickymasterWork | :) | 15:43 |
| elfy | jjfrv8: not another vbox issue :( | 15:49 |
| elfy | re abiword | 15:49 |
| === qwebirc166433 is now known as slickymasterWork | ||
| elfy | jjfrv8: commented on abiword bug - I see the bug regardless of where livesession is - vm and hardware | 16:06 |
| elfy | kind of glad that it's not just a vm bug | 16:09 |
| slickymasterWork | poor VM bugs, getting underrated | 16:12 |
| elfy | heh | 16:12 |
| elfy | I *really* didn't want to see loads of those again | 16:12 |
| * slickymasterWork knows | 16:12 | |
| knome | http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/ - comments about new color scheme (old dark bg dumped out) | 16:31 |
| knome | ochosi, ^ ping | 16:31 |
| elfy | quite a lot lighter - maybe too light, though if the desktop screenshots weren't so much darker it wouldn't *jar* quite so much | 16:38 |
| knome | the dark bg just starts to give me a headache too | 16:39 |
| knome | it's kind of "unprofessional" | 16:39 |
| knome | and yeah, don't know if "baby blue" is any more professional, but hey... | 16:39 |
| elfy | yea - agree with the headache comment | 16:40 |
| knome | at least the right thing is now highlighted - the screenshot | 16:40 |
| elfy | well that's true :) | 16:40 |
| slickymasterWork | even though I'm not a big fan of 'baby blue', in the overall 'look' , it results striclky aesthetically speaking | 16:48 |
| ochosi | knome: i agree with slickymasterWork on the baby-blue part | 16:49 |
| knome | maybe it should be even less saturated or sth | 16:49 |
| ochosi | yeah | 16:49 |
| knome | but i'll have to sleep on it | 16:50 |
| knome | also, you can test the responsive design there as well | 16:50 |
| knome | just stretch the window | 16:50 |
| ochosi | nice | 16:51 |
| ochosi | well done! | 16:51 |
| knome | ta | 16:52 |
| knome | still some things to fix, as i mention in the blog, but it's getting there | 16:52 |
| elfy | oh - the responsiveness is good :) | 16:53 |
| pleia2 | ochosi: thanks | 16:56 |
| slickymasterWork | yes, I can also confirm that the responsiveness is working correctly knome | 16:57 |
| knome | of course it is! ;) | 16:58 |
| slickymasterWork | anything else wouldn't be expected knome :P | 17:07 |
| ochosi | elfy, knome: re: chairing the meetings and meeting times... | 17:15 |
| ochosi | i don't mind if we just cycle with every individual chairing one meeting per cycle | 17:15 |
| ochosi | i understand the concern that especially i skew the distribution of meeting times by chairing more meetings | 17:16 |
| elfy | :) | 17:16 |
| ochosi | so from my pov we can switch to a different system anytime | 17:16 |
| elfy | I like the cycling chair (and time to suit different chair's) thing - works well | 17:17 |
| elfy | and I think that now pleia2 is only 1 lead it's only you that skew it | 17:18 |
| elfy | and it's not an issue as such - just something I brought up | 17:19 |
| pleia2 | thank goodness for that | 17:19 |
| elfy | (even if it does affect me when someone has 3 meetings at 11 am :) ) | 17:19 |
| elfy | hi pleia2 | 17:19 |
| ochosi | it was more to accomodate for bluesabre to be able to show up, tbh | 17:20 |
| elfy | yea | 17:21 |
| ochosi | it's not my favorite time of the day for meetings | 17:21 |
| elfy | which is a positive thing anyway imo | 17:21 |
| elfy | it's not my favourite time of the day for anything ;) | 17:21 |
| * slickymasterWork doesn't like to chair :P | 17:21 | |
| elfy | who does ... | 17:21 |
| pleia2 | slickymasterWork: no one likes to chair! | 17:21 |
| slickymasterWork | hey pleia2 | 17:21 |
| ochosi | elfy: it's my favorite time of the day for... lunch ;) | 17:21 |
| elfy | I'm sure knome really loved chairing everyone for instance | 17:22 |
| slickymasterWork | but I don't like it more :P :P :P | 17:22 |
| elfy | ochosi: :) | 17:22 |
| * slickymasterWork agrees with elfy | 17:22 | |
| slickymasterWork | re: knome | 17:22 |
| elfy | heh | 17:22 |
| elfy | talking of which - time for food apparently | 17:23 |
| elfy | bbl | 17:23 |
| knome | haha1 | 17:23 |
| knome | ! | 17:23 |
| habhatti | these responsive sheets are fantastic | 17:25 |
| ochosi | +1 | 17:26 |
| knome | just working on the smallest resolution stylesheets | 17:28 |
| habhatti | Have you considering adding controls to the screenshot slider on the front page? | 17:28 |
| knome | adding some odd/even row coloring | 17:28 |
| knome | habhatti, we had that, but removed it at some point | 17:28 |
| habhatti | That's odd. | 17:28 |
| knome | why? people can click through the list of all screenshots | 17:29 |
| habhatti | Hmm. | 17:29 |
| knome | i mean, the only reason why somebody would want to click through the screenshots is that they are impatient, in which case the list of screenshots is better anyway | 17:30 |
| habhatti | is this wp 4.0? | 17:31 |
| ali1234 | that screenshot page is a bit... nope | 17:31 |
| knome | the staging site is, production not | 17:31 |
| ali1234 | the new front page is nice though | 17:31 |
| knome | ali1234, welcome to volunteer and take a better one | 17:31 |
| ali1234 | is this bootstrap? | 17:31 |
| habhatti | well :) | 17:31 |
| knome | ali1234, no | 17:31 |
| ali1234 | custom? | 17:31 |
| knome | yes | 17:31 |
| habhatti | if you're planning to upgrade this to 4.0 I could throw a theme your way | 17:31 |
| knome | habhatti, we're not looking for a new theme | 17:32 |
| ali1234 | it looks weird to me | 17:32 |
| knome | ali1234, what? the screenshot? | 17:32 |
| knome | ali1234, or the theme? | 17:32 |
| ali1234 | the screenshot page | 17:32 |
| ali1234 | the theme is fine | 17:32 |
| knome | oh, that | 17:32 |
| knome | right, likely looks weird :P | 17:32 |
| knome | check the production website | 17:33 |
| habhatti | needs more spacing | 17:33 |
| ali1234 | well production looks more normal | 17:33 |
| ali1234 | still don't like it though | 17:33 |
| knome | the screenshot page has gotten the least love tbh | 17:33 |
| knome | i like the production tour page. | 17:34 |
| ali1234 | hmm tour page is nice but... maybe a bit more wwhitespace between the blocks? | 17:34 |
| habhatti | yeah | 17:34 |
| ali1234 | did i mention the mouse is called Xue? | 17:34 |
| ali1234 | apparently, according to super tux kart | 17:35 |
| knome | ali1234, it isn't like this wasn't shown off before it hit production... but if you have actionable work items, you can start off by filing a bug :) | 17:35 |
| knome | it's really hard to track feedback/requests on IRC | 17:35 |
| knome | ali1234, and, it's intentional that the boxes overlap | 17:36 |
| * habhatti nods. | 17:36 | |
| ali1234 | what boxes? | 17:36 |
| knome | on the tour page | 17:36 |
| habhatti | tour page blocks | 17:36 |
| knome | the colored boxes | 17:36 |
| ali1234 | they overlap? | 17:36 |
| knome | should... | 17:37 |
| ali1234 | how so? | 17:37 |
| knome | ?? | 17:37 |
| ali1234 | they don't look like they overlap | 17:37 |
| knome | maybe you should post a screenshot and tell which browser you are using | 17:37 |
| ali1234 | i am using firefox | 17:37 |
| ali1234 | which version are you talking about? | 17:38 |
| knome | the boxes should overlap in both staging and production | 17:38 |
| ali1234 | overlap what? | 17:38 |
| habhatti | each other | 17:38 |
| knome | each other - please send a screenshot | 17:39 |
| knome | otherwise i have no idea what you are seeing, and it's really hard to tell if what you see is intentional or not - since you don't seem to know what you are talking about yourself either.. | 17:39 |
| habhatti | checked in ff, it's identical to chromium | 17:40 |
| ali1234 | http://imgur.com/jdhHDM0 | 17:40 |
| knome | yes | 17:40 |
| knome | see the line between the blue and the pink box | 17:40 |
| knome | it's a mix of those two colors | 17:40 |
| ali1234 | okay | 17:40 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't look like they overlap | 17:41 |
| knome | where are you proposing to add whitespace? | 17:41 |
| ali1234 | it just looks like you put a coloured border | 17:41 |
| knome | it's not meant to be "too" obvious | 17:41 |
| ali1234 | i was proposing to add more padding to the top and bottom of div.hb | 17:41 |
| ali1234 | but t doesn't look better so forget it | 17:41 |
| knome | ok | 17:41 |
| knome | bbl, sauna | 17:42 |
| knome | added release schedule dates to the team calendar | 22:44 |
| knome | ochosi, and the reminder about translation release coordination | 22:44 |
| pleia2 | wow, unixstickers sold out of the 33% and 26% off t-shirts already | 22:48 |
| knome | heh | 22:48 |
| slickymaster | knome isn't almost a month and a half a bit too large before a period before the official translation deadline? | 22:51 |
| knome | the coordination is going to take time | 22:51 |
| slickymaster | s/too large before a period before/too large a period | 22:52 |
| slickymaster | even so | 22:52 |
| slickymaster | I was planning to make the last call for translations by the end of March | 22:52 |
| knome | you got to remember that this is a bit different... | 22:53 |
| slickymaster | I was aiming at 16-18 March | 22:53 |
| knome | there might be string changes that needs released | 22:53 |
| knome | *need | 22:54 |
| knome | of course, the user-facing calls for translation should happen as usually | 22:54 |
| slickymaster | not quite getting knome | 22:54 |
| knome | and then we will want the translation releases to happen just before the non-languagepack freezes | 22:54 |
| knome | if there are changes in the UI, they are subject to the UI freeze | 22:55 |
| knome | that pretty much concerns all string changes | 22:55 |
| knome | so we need to be on our toes for that | 22:55 |
| slickymaster | yeah, but NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline is expected to happen at april, 9th | 22:55 |
| slickymaster | do you think than 1 month a some days isn't a bot too much | 22:56 |
| knome | no, because that's not our first target | 22:56 |
| knome | the first target is UI freeze | 22:56 |
| knome | we can't do translation releases that update more than translations | 22:57 |
| knome | and to make sure that doesn't happen, we'd want those applications to have releases before the UI freeze, if possible | 22:57 |
| slickymaster | isn't UI freeze on March, 19th? | 22:57 |
| knome | yes | 22:57 |
| slickymaster | my wrong, 12th | 22:57 |
| knome | point being, we want the coordination to start before the UI freeze | 22:58 |
| knome | the reminder is set to one week before that | 22:58 |
| knome | but as i said, there are two targets... | 22:58 |
| slickymaster | ok, point taken and accepted | 22:58 |
| knome | for the components that have string changes, land them for UI freee | 22:58 |
| knome | and for everything else, land before the translation deadline | 22:59 |
| slickymaster | and I do see the logical of your reasoning | 22:59 |
| knome | and sure, the reminder is quite early for that | 22:59 |
| slickymaster | okie doke | 22:59 |
| knome | but it has to be because of the UI freeze | 22:59 |
| knome | we can add another one when we hit that | 22:59 |
| slickymaster | you're right | 22:59 |
| knome | when we know better which translation updates we are waiting for | 22:59 |
| slickymaster | right | 22:59 |
| knome | getting a hold of all people who maintain this and that will take at least a week | 23:00 |
| knome | and getting them to do the release... at least one week more | 23:00 |
| knome | then we'll want it to land to ubuntu via debian, so add some time for the changes to land in debian | 23:00 |
| knome | (note that debian might also have partially conflicting freezes) | 23:00 |
| slickymaster | just to be sure, we're strickly speaking about Xfce related releases, in this case, right? | 23:01 |
| knome | yep | 23:01 |
| slickymaster | ko | 23:01 |
| ochosi | pleia2: maybe if the things sell well we'll get discounted/free items to give out as motivational gifts ;) | 23:39 |
| pleia2 | they're sending me one along with our sticker bundles ;) | 23:40 |
| * slickymaster needs motivation :( | 23:45 | |
| * knome takes the whip out | 23:46 | |
| * slickymaster points knome to ochosi words | 23:47 | |
| knome | hah | 23:47 |
| knome | i still have some xubuntu stickers left... with the old logo | 23:48 |
| knome | ;) | 23:48 |
| slickymaster | :) | 23:48 |
| knome | and some of the first, limited edition powered by -stickers! | 23:48 |
| knome | that's silver on black! | 23:48 |
| knome | thanks to pleia2 :) | 23:48 |
| Unit193 | Nice! | 23:48 |
| knome | umm no, bad brain | 23:49 |
| knome | it's white on black | 23:49 |
| knome | but... | 23:49 |
| knome | not the same as the current one | 23:49 |
| knome | slickymaster, would one of those give you motivation? :P | 23:49 |
| slickymaster | lol, I was just kidding | 23:50 |
| knome | so you don't want one? :P | 23:50 |
| slickymaster | and secretly trying to get a free t-shirt | 23:50 |
| slickymaster | of course I want | 23:50 |
| knome | i'll put that on my "send this stuff to xubuntu people" list | 23:51 |
| slickymaster | heh | 23:51 |
| slickymaster | good, generous and gentle knome | 23:51 |
| slickymaster | :P | 23:51 |
| knome | haha | 23:52 |
| knome | i still have a box to send to pleia2 :d | 23:52 |
| sidi-valencia | knome, i also lack motivation for writing up the thesis. | 23:55 |
| slickymaster | haha | 23:56 |
| slickymaster | let's all spam him with lack of motivation issues | 23:56 |
| sidi-valencia | and then ask for beer. | 23:56 |
| slickymaster | ;) | 23:57 |
| slickymaster | or rum | 23:57 |
| sidi-valencia | my gf gives me candy as i progress but she fell asleep. she was my last hope | 23:57 |
| ochosi | knome: well if you wanna throw some of those goodies into later motivational bundles for users e.g. for doing QA, that'd be nice | 23:57 |
| sidi-valencia | ochosi, very good idea, actually, to give goodies where you need more contributors | 23:57 |
| ochosi | well we have goodies for xubuntu users and bounties for xfce contributors | 23:58 |
| knome | ochosi, i have a very limited supply | 23:58 |
| knome | ochosi, i also have a ping-pong ball for you :P | 23:58 |
| ochosi | weeeee | 23:58 |
| ochosi | \o/ | 23:58 |
| knome | but as i've said before... i can contribute some customish artwork as a motivation | 23:59 |
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