[01:12] <bluesabre> elfy: thanks for the bug report... the sudo dialog assumes everything works since sudo has no password in live.  Will fix for vivid
[06:29] <Unit193> Hmmm... New x-d-s in trusty will add the Settings submenu, and removes Settings Manager, so it appears.
[07:52] <elfy> bluesabre: thanks
[11:14] <bluesabre> Unit193: hm? what x-d-s?
[11:14] <knome> xubuntu-default-settings ?
[11:14] <bluesabre> right
[11:14] <knome> :)
[11:14] <bluesabre> but "new" and "trusty" are throwing me off
[11:32] <knome> heh
[11:50] <sidi> ali1234, knome got 500ish replies on the first survey, 250ish on the second one
[11:50] <sidi> most open ended questions were used as a dumpsite for thank-you notes
[11:51] <sidi> i'll try some quick and mega-dirty grounded theory coding on the data, but mostly i'll strip the thankyou notes away and so i'll have relatively little open-ended data to process
[11:51] <sidi> most questions were like "what problems do you have" so easy to code
[12:00] <knome> yep
[12:01] <knome> sidi, did you ever send that mail to xubuntu-users?
[12:02] <sidi> knome, erm nope
[12:02] <sidi> posted on your forum
[12:02]  * knome facepalms
[12:03] <sidi> and informed you so you can decide to advertise it in your own ways
[12:03] <knome> forums... :P
[12:03] <sidi> i got a lot of xub respondants though
[12:03] <knome> i'm not the marketing lead :P
[12:03] <knome> ok
[12:03] <knome> good enough
[12:30] <elfy> knome: on UF 30 people actually read the thread
[12:30] <elfy> bah
[12:30] <elfy> sidi ^^ :)
[12:43] <sidi> elfy, ah well ;P
[13:23] <ochosi> phew, finally read up on the meeting
[13:23] <ochosi> that was quite lengthy
[13:24] <ochosi> first of all, very sad to read that elfy 
[13:25] <ochosi> if you wanna discuss anything there that would help you to reconsider, don't hesitate to get in touch with me
[13:25] <ochosi> i mean we've PM'd about this a few times in the past, so i think i have a good understanding of what's going on
[13:28] <ochosi> pleia2: i like the marketing ideas – very happy to see those flowing in! if you need help/support from my side, do get in touch
[13:29] <ochosi> and i agree that gathering some user data might be good, it's not intended as a vote on our default package selection anyway
[13:29] <ochosi> and in the end, even if many users want e.g. LO, we might still have technical issues with including it by default (e.g. image-size)
[13:29] <ochosi> but good to know what users think in general
[14:49] <knome> http://open.knome.fi/2014/11/25/preparing-responsive-design-for-xubuntu/
[14:51] <elfy> nice :)
[14:52] <knome> ta ta
[14:52] <knome> about time i blogged about something :P
[14:52] <knome> last time was in february
[14:52] <elfy> heh
[14:53] <elfy> quality over quantity always works ;)
[14:53] <knome> sure, i'm avoiding pushing out crap
[14:53] <knome> hvae 5 draft articles
[14:54]  * elfy has none
[14:54] <knome> heh
[14:54] <knome> maybe you should start blogging ;)
[14:55] <elfy> as close as I've come is as close as I'd like to be :)
[14:55] <knome> heh
[14:55] <elfy> done bits for xubuntu and the fc 
[14:55] <knome> though personal blogging is something completely different...
[14:56] <knome> i mean, it has that very different feel, since you really don't have to stick to being kind of "boring"
[14:56] <elfy> of course - never ever been bothered by it to be honest :)
[14:56] <knome> though i guess i still kind of like to be boring...
[14:56] <elfy> much like all the 'social' stuff - no interest in that either
[14:56] <knome> yeah, not touching that either
[14:57] <elfy> :)
[14:57] <knome> a place where snarky comments win over thought-out, longer commentary is not for me, generally speaking
[14:57] <knome> one could argue that IRC is one of those places... but it really depends much on the channel
[14:58] <knome> that said, we should probably stop or move over #xubuntu-offtopic :P
[15:32] <elfy> slickymasterWork: thanks - all merged and synced
[15:32] <slickymasterWork> ok, thanks for that elfy 
[15:33] <slickymasterWork> over Testsuite C right now
[15:34] <elfy> thanks :)
[15:34] <elfy> that really bored the life out of me for the last 2 sessions :)
[15:40] <slickymasterWork> well, the first one is a miss (Abiword)
[15:42] <elfy> you see the same bug?
[15:42] <elfy> oh nvm - so could I :D
[15:43] <slickymasterWork> :)
[15:49] <elfy> jjfrv8: not another vbox issue :(
[15:49] <elfy> re abiword 
[16:06] <elfy> jjfrv8: commented on abiword bug - I see the bug regardless of where livesession is - vm and hardware
[16:09] <elfy> kind of glad that it's not just a vm bug 
[16:12] <slickymasterWork> poor VM bugs, getting underrated
[16:12] <elfy> heh
[16:12] <elfy> I *really* didn't want to see loads of those again
[16:12]  * slickymasterWork knows
[16:31] <knome> http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/ - comments about new color scheme (old dark bg dumped out)
[16:31] <knome> ochosi, ^ ping
[16:38] <elfy> quite a lot lighter - maybe too light, though if the desktop screenshots weren't so much darker it wouldn't *jar* quite so much
[16:39] <knome> the dark bg just starts to give me a headache too
[16:39] <knome> it's kind of "unprofessional"
[16:39] <knome> and yeah, don't know if "baby blue" is any more professional, but hey...
[16:40] <elfy> yea - agree with the headache comment
[16:40] <knome> at least the right thing is now highlighted - the screenshot
[16:40] <elfy> well that's true :)
[16:48] <slickymasterWork> even though I'm not a big fan of 'baby blue', in the overall 'look' , it results striclky aesthetically speaking
[16:49] <ochosi> knome: i agree with slickymasterWork on the baby-blue part
[16:49] <knome> maybe it should be even less saturated or sth
[16:49] <ochosi> yeah
[16:50] <knome> but i'll have to sleep on it
[16:50] <knome> also, you can test the responsive design there as well
[16:50] <knome> just stretch the window
[16:51] <ochosi> nice
[16:51] <ochosi> well done!
[16:52] <knome> ta
[16:52] <knome> still some things to fix, as i mention in the blog, but it's getting there
[16:53] <elfy> oh - the responsiveness is good :)
[16:56] <pleia2> ochosi: thanks
[16:57] <slickymasterWork> yes, I can also confirm that the responsiveness is working correctly knome 
[16:58] <knome> of course it is! ;)
[17:07] <slickymasterWork> anything else wouldn't be expected knome :P
[17:15] <ochosi> elfy, knome: re: chairing the meetings and meeting times...
[17:15] <ochosi> i don't mind if we just cycle with every individual chairing one meeting per cycle
[17:16] <ochosi> i understand the concern that especially i skew the distribution of meeting times by chairing more meetings
[17:16] <elfy> :)
[17:16] <ochosi> so from my pov we can switch to a different system anytime
[17:17] <elfy> I like the cycling chair (and time to suit different chair's) thing - works well 
[17:18] <elfy> and I think that now pleia2 is only 1 lead it's only you that skew it 
[17:19] <elfy> and it's not an issue as such - just something I brought up 
[17:19] <pleia2> thank goodness for that
[17:19] <elfy> (even if it does affect me when someone has 3  meetings at 11 am :) )
[17:19] <elfy> hi pleia2 
[17:20] <ochosi> it was more to accomodate for bluesabre to be able to show up, tbh
[17:21] <elfy> yea 
[17:21] <ochosi> it's not my favorite time of the day for meetings
[17:21] <elfy> which is a positive thing anyway imo
[17:21] <elfy> it's not my favourite time of the day for anything ;)
[17:21]  * slickymasterWork doesn't like to chair :P
[17:21] <elfy> who does ... 
[17:21] <pleia2> slickymasterWork: no one likes to chair!
[17:21] <slickymasterWork> hey pleia2 
[17:21] <ochosi> elfy: it's my favorite time of the day for... lunch ;)
[17:22] <elfy> I'm sure knome really loved chairing everyone for instance 
[17:22] <slickymasterWork> but I don't like it more :P :P :P 
[17:22] <elfy> ochosi: :)
[17:22]  * slickymasterWork agrees with elfy 
[17:22] <slickymasterWork> re: knome 
[17:22] <elfy> heh
[17:23] <elfy> talking of which - time for food apparently
[17:23] <elfy> bbl
[17:23] <knome> haha1
[17:23] <knome> !
[17:25] <habhatti> these responsive sheets are fantastic
[17:26] <ochosi> +1
[17:28] <knome> just working on the smallest resolution stylesheets
[17:28] <habhatti> Have you considering adding controls to the screenshot slider on the front page?
[17:28] <knome> adding some odd/even row coloring
[17:28] <knome> habhatti, we had that, but removed it at some point
[17:28] <habhatti> That's odd.
[17:29] <knome> why? people can click through the list of all screenshots
[17:29] <habhatti> Hmm.
[17:30] <knome> i mean, the only reason why somebody would want to click through the screenshots is that they are impatient, in which case the list of screenshots is better anyway
[17:31] <habhatti> is this wp 4.0?
[17:31] <ali1234> that screenshot page is a bit... nope
[17:31] <knome> the staging site is, production not
[17:31] <ali1234> the new front page is nice though
[17:31] <knome> ali1234, welcome to volunteer and take a better one
[17:31] <ali1234> is this bootstrap?
[17:31] <habhatti> well :)
[17:31] <knome> ali1234, no
[17:31] <ali1234> custom?
[17:31] <knome> yes
[17:31] <habhatti> if you're planning to upgrade this to 4.0 I could throw a theme your way
[17:32] <knome> habhatti, we're not looking for a new theme
[17:32] <ali1234> it looks weird to me
[17:32] <knome> ali1234, what? the screenshot?
[17:32] <knome> ali1234, or the theme?
[17:32] <ali1234> the screenshot page
[17:32] <ali1234> the theme is fine
[17:32] <knome> oh, that
[17:32] <knome> right, likely looks weird :P
[17:33] <knome> check the production website
[17:33] <habhatti> needs more spacing
[17:33] <ali1234> well production looks more normal
[17:33] <ali1234> still don't like it though
[17:33] <knome> the screenshot page has gotten the least love tbh
[17:34] <knome> i like the production tour page.
[17:34] <ali1234> hmm tour page is nice but... maybe a bit more wwhitespace between the blocks?
[17:34] <habhatti> yeah
[17:34] <ali1234> did i mention the mouse is called Xue?
[17:35] <ali1234> apparently, according to super tux kart
[17:35] <knome> ali1234, it isn't like this wasn't shown off before it hit production... but if you have actionable work items, you can start off by filing a bug :)
[17:35] <knome> it's really hard to track feedback/requests on IRC
[17:36] <knome> ali1234, and, it's intentional that the boxes overlap
[17:36]  * habhatti nods.
[17:36] <ali1234> what boxes?
[17:36] <knome> on the tour page
[17:36] <habhatti> tour page blocks
[17:36] <knome> the colored boxes
[17:36] <ali1234> they overlap?
[17:37] <knome> should...
[17:37] <ali1234> how so?
[17:37] <knome> ??
[17:37] <ali1234> they don't look like they overlap
[17:37] <knome> maybe you should post a screenshot and tell which browser you are using
[17:37] <ali1234> i am using firefox
[17:38] <ali1234> which version are you talking about?
[17:38] <knome> the boxes should overlap in both staging and production
[17:38] <ali1234> overlap what?
[17:38] <habhatti> each other
[17:39] <knome> each other - please send a screenshot
[17:39] <knome> otherwise i have no idea what you are seeing, and it's really hard to tell if what you see is intentional or not - since you don't seem to know what you are talking about yourself either..
[17:40] <habhatti> checked in ff, it's identical to chromium
[17:40] <ali1234> http://imgur.com/jdhHDM0
[17:40] <knome> yes
[17:40] <knome> see the line between the blue and the pink box
[17:40] <knome> it's a mix of those two colors
[17:40] <ali1234> okay
[17:41] <ali1234> it doesn't look like they overlap
[17:41] <knome> where are you proposing to add whitespace?
[17:41] <ali1234> it just looks like you put a coloured border
[17:41] <knome> it's not meant to be "too" obvious
[17:41] <ali1234> i was proposing to add more padding to the top and bottom of div.hb
[17:41] <ali1234> but t doesn't look better so forget it
[17:41] <knome> ok
[17:42] <knome> bbl, sauna
[22:44] <knome> added release schedule dates to the team calendar
[22:44] <knome> ochosi, and the reminder about translation release coordination
[22:48] <pleia2> wow, unixstickers sold out of the 33% and 26% off t-shirts already
[22:48] <knome> heh
[22:51] <slickymaster> knome isn't almost a month and a half a bit too large before a period before the official translation deadline?
[22:51] <knome> the coordination is going to take time
[22:52] <slickymaster> s/too large before a period before/too large a period
[22:52] <slickymaster> even so
[22:52] <slickymaster> I was planning to make the last call for translations by the end of March
[22:53] <knome> you got to remember that this is a bit different...
[22:53] <slickymaster> I was aiming at 16-18 March
[22:53] <knome> there might be string changes that needs released
[22:54] <knome> *need
[22:54] <knome> of course, the user-facing calls for translation should happen as usually
[22:54] <slickymaster> not quite getting knome 
[22:54] <knome> and then we will want the translation releases to happen just before the non-languagepack freezes
[22:55] <knome> if there are changes in the UI, they are subject to the UI freeze
[22:55] <knome> that pretty much concerns all string changes
[22:55] <knome> so we need to be on our toes for that
[22:55] <slickymaster> yeah, but NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline is expected to happen at april, 9th
[22:56] <slickymaster> do you think than 1 month a some days isn't a bot too much
[22:56] <knome> no, because that's not our first target
[22:56] <knome> the first target is UI freeze
[22:57] <knome> we can't do translation releases that update more than translations
[22:57] <knome> and to make sure that doesn't happen, we'd want those applications to have releases before the UI freeze, if possible
[22:57] <slickymaster> isn't UI freeze on March, 19th?
[22:57] <knome> yes
[22:57] <slickymaster> my wrong, 12th
[22:58] <knome> point being, we want the coordination to start before the UI freeze
[22:58] <knome> the reminder is set to one week before that
[22:58] <knome> but as i said, there are two targets...
[22:58] <slickymaster> ok, point taken and accepted
[22:58] <knome> for the components that have string changes, land them for UI freee
[22:59] <knome> and for everything else, land before the translation deadline
[22:59] <slickymaster> and I do see the logical of your reasoning
[22:59] <knome> and sure, the reminder is quite early for that
[22:59] <slickymaster> okie doke
[22:59] <knome> but it has to be because of the UI freeze
[22:59] <knome> we can add another one when we hit that
[22:59] <slickymaster> you're right
[22:59] <knome> when we know better which translation updates we are waiting for
[22:59] <slickymaster> right
[23:00] <knome> getting a hold of all people who maintain this and that will take at least a week
[23:00] <knome> and getting them to do the release... at least one week more
[23:00] <knome> then we'll want it to land to ubuntu via debian, so add some time for the changes to land in debian
[23:00] <knome> (note that debian might also have partially conflicting freezes)
[23:01] <slickymaster> just to be sure, we're strickly speaking about Xfce related releases, in this case, right?
[23:01] <knome> yep
[23:01] <slickymaster> ko
[23:39] <ochosi> pleia2: maybe if the things sell well we'll get discounted/free items to give out as motivational gifts ;)
[23:40] <pleia2> they're sending me one along with our sticker bundles ;)
[23:45]  * slickymaster needs motivation :(
[23:46]  * knome takes the whip out
[23:47]  * slickymaster points knome to ochosi words
[23:47] <knome> hah
[23:48] <knome> i still have some xubuntu stickers left... with the old logo
[23:48] <knome> ;)
[23:48] <slickymaster> :)
[23:48] <knome> and some of the first, limited edition powered by -stickers!
[23:48] <knome> that's silver on black!
[23:48] <knome> thanks to pleia2 :)
[23:48] <Unit193> Nice!
[23:49] <knome> umm no, bad brain
[23:49] <knome> it's white on black
[23:49] <knome> but...
[23:49] <knome> not the same as the current one
[23:49] <knome> slickymaster, would one of those give you motivation? :P
[23:50] <slickymaster> lol, I was just kidding 
[23:50] <knome> so you don't want one? :P
[23:50] <slickymaster> and secretly trying to get a free t-shirt
[23:50] <slickymaster> of course I want
[23:51] <knome> i'll put that on my "send this stuff to xubuntu people" list
[23:51] <slickymaster> heh
[23:51] <slickymaster> good, generous  and gentle knome 
[23:51] <slickymaster> :P
[23:52] <knome> haha
[23:52] <knome> i still have a box to send to pleia2 :d
[23:55] <sidi-valencia> knome, i also lack motivation for writing up the thesis. 
[23:56] <slickymaster> haha
[23:56] <slickymaster> let's all spam him with lack of motivation issues
[23:56] <sidi-valencia> and then ask for beer.
[23:57] <slickymaster> ;)
[23:57] <slickymaster> or rum
[23:57] <sidi-valencia> my gf gives me candy as i progress but she fell asleep. she was my last hope
[23:57] <ochosi> knome: well if you wanna throw some of those goodies into later motivational bundles for users e.g. for doing QA, that'd be nice
[23:57] <sidi-valencia> ochosi, very good idea, actually, to give goodies where you need more contributors
[23:58] <ochosi> well we have goodies for xubuntu users and bounties for xfce contributors
[23:58] <knome> ochosi, i have a very limited supply
[23:58] <knome> ochosi, i also have a ping-pong ball for you :P
[23:58] <ochosi> weeeee
[23:58] <ochosi> \o/
[23:59] <knome> but as i've said before... i can contribute some customish artwork as a motivation