[01:12] elfy: thanks for the bug report... the sudo dialog assumes everything works since sudo has no password in live. Will fix for vivid [06:29] Hmmm... New x-d-s in trusty will add the Settings submenu, and removes Settings Manager, so it appears. === Unit193 changed the topic of #xubuntu-devel to: Xubuntu Development | Support at #xubuntu | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | Daily testing with results: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [07:52] bluesabre: thanks [11:14] Unit193: hm? what x-d-s? [11:14] xubuntu-default-settings ? [11:14] right [11:14] :) [11:14] but "new" and "trusty" are throwing me off [11:32] heh [11:50] ali1234, knome got 500ish replies on the first survey, 250ish on the second one [11:50] most open ended questions were used as a dumpsite for thank-you notes [11:51] i'll try some quick and mega-dirty grounded theory coding on the data, but mostly i'll strip the thankyou notes away and so i'll have relatively little open-ended data to process [11:51] most questions were like "what problems do you have" so easy to code [12:00] yep [12:01] sidi, did you ever send that mail to xubuntu-users? [12:02] knome, erm nope [12:02] posted on your forum [12:02] * knome facepalms [12:03] and informed you so you can decide to advertise it in your own ways [12:03] forums... :P [12:03] i got a lot of xub respondants though [12:03] i'm not the marketing lead :P [12:03] ok [12:03] good enough [12:30] knome: on UF 30 people actually read the thread [12:30] bah [12:30] sidi ^^ :) [12:43] elfy, ah well ;P [13:23] phew, finally read up on the meeting [13:23] that was quite lengthy [13:24] first of all, very sad to read that elfy [13:25] if you wanna discuss anything there that would help you to reconsider, don't hesitate to get in touch with me [13:25] i mean we've PM'd about this a few times in the past, so i think i have a good understanding of what's going on [13:28] pleia2: i like the marketing ideas – very happy to see those flowing in! if you need help/support from my side, do get in touch [13:29] and i agree that gathering some user data might be good, it's not intended as a vote on our default package selection anyway [13:29] and in the end, even if many users want e.g. LO, we might still have technical issues with including it by default (e.g. image-size) [13:29] but good to know what users think in general [14:49] http://open.knome.fi/2014/11/25/preparing-responsive-design-for-xubuntu/ [14:51] nice :) [14:52] ta ta [14:52] about time i blogged about something :P [14:52] last time was in february [14:52] heh [14:53] quality over quantity always works ;) [14:53] sure, i'm avoiding pushing out crap [14:53] hvae 5 draft articles [14:54] * elfy has none [14:54] heh [14:54] maybe you should start blogging ;) [14:55] as close as I've come is as close as I'd like to be :) [14:55] heh [14:55] done bits for xubuntu and the fc [14:55] though personal blogging is something completely different... [14:56] i mean, it has that very different feel, since you really don't have to stick to being kind of "boring" [14:56] of course - never ever been bothered by it to be honest :) [14:56] though i guess i still kind of like to be boring... [14:56] much like all the 'social' stuff - no interest in that either [14:56] yeah, not touching that either [14:57] :) [14:57] a place where snarky comments win over thought-out, longer commentary is not for me, generally speaking [14:57] one could argue that IRC is one of those places... but it really depends much on the channel [14:58] that said, we should probably stop or move over #xubuntu-offtopic :P [15:32] slickymasterWork: thanks - all merged and synced [15:32] ok, thanks for that elfy [15:33] over Testsuite C right now [15:34] thanks :) [15:34] that really bored the life out of me for the last 2 sessions :) [15:40] well, the first one is a miss (Abiword) [15:42] you see the same bug? [15:42] oh nvm - so could I :D [15:43] :) [15:49] jjfrv8: not another vbox issue :( [15:49] re abiword === qwebirc166433 is now known as slickymasterWork [16:06] jjfrv8: commented on abiword bug - I see the bug regardless of where livesession is - vm and hardware [16:09] kind of glad that it's not just a vm bug [16:12] poor VM bugs, getting underrated [16:12] heh [16:12] I *really* didn't want to see loads of those again [16:12] * slickymasterWork knows [16:31] http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/ - comments about new color scheme (old dark bg dumped out) [16:31] ochosi, ^ ping [16:38] quite a lot lighter - maybe too light, though if the desktop screenshots weren't so much darker it wouldn't *jar* quite so much [16:39] the dark bg just starts to give me a headache too [16:39] it's kind of "unprofessional" [16:39] and yeah, don't know if "baby blue" is any more professional, but hey... [16:40] yea - agree with the headache comment [16:40] at least the right thing is now highlighted - the screenshot [16:40] well that's true :) [16:48] even though I'm not a big fan of 'baby blue', in the overall 'look' , it results striclky aesthetically speaking [16:49] knome: i agree with slickymasterWork on the baby-blue part [16:49] maybe it should be even less saturated or sth [16:49] yeah [16:50] but i'll have to sleep on it [16:50] also, you can test the responsive design there as well [16:50] just stretch the window [16:51] nice [16:51] well done! [16:52] ta [16:52] still some things to fix, as i mention in the blog, but it's getting there [16:53] oh - the responsiveness is good :) [16:56] ochosi: thanks [16:57] yes, I can also confirm that the responsiveness is working correctly knome [16:58] of course it is! ;) [17:07] anything else wouldn't be expected knome :P [17:15] elfy, knome: re: chairing the meetings and meeting times... [17:15] i don't mind if we just cycle with every individual chairing one meeting per cycle [17:16] i understand the concern that especially i skew the distribution of meeting times by chairing more meetings [17:16] :) [17:16] so from my pov we can switch to a different system anytime [17:17] I like the cycling chair (and time to suit different chair's) thing - works well [17:18] and I think that now pleia2 is only 1 lead it's only you that skew it [17:19] and it's not an issue as such - just something I brought up [17:19] thank goodness for that [17:19] (even if it does affect me when someone has 3 meetings at 11 am :) ) [17:19] hi pleia2 [17:20] it was more to accomodate for bluesabre to be able to show up, tbh [17:21] yea [17:21] it's not my favorite time of the day for meetings [17:21] which is a positive thing anyway imo [17:21] it's not my favourite time of the day for anything ;) [17:21] * slickymasterWork doesn't like to chair :P [17:21] who does ... [17:21] slickymasterWork: no one likes to chair! [17:21] hey pleia2 [17:21] elfy: it's my favorite time of the day for... lunch ;) [17:22] I'm sure knome really loved chairing everyone for instance [17:22] but I don't like it more :P :P :P [17:22] ochosi: :) [17:22] * slickymasterWork agrees with elfy [17:22] re: knome [17:22] heh [17:23] talking of which - time for food apparently [17:23] bbl [17:23] haha1 [17:23] ! [17:25] these responsive sheets are fantastic [17:26] +1 [17:28] just working on the smallest resolution stylesheets [17:28] Have you considering adding controls to the screenshot slider on the front page? [17:28] adding some odd/even row coloring [17:28] habhatti, we had that, but removed it at some point [17:28] That's odd. [17:29] why? people can click through the list of all screenshots [17:29] Hmm. [17:30] i mean, the only reason why somebody would want to click through the screenshots is that they are impatient, in which case the list of screenshots is better anyway [17:31] is this wp 4.0? [17:31] that screenshot page is a bit... nope [17:31] the staging site is, production not [17:31] the new front page is nice though [17:31] ali1234, welcome to volunteer and take a better one [17:31] is this bootstrap? [17:31] well :) [17:31] ali1234, no [17:31] custom? [17:31] yes [17:31] if you're planning to upgrade this to 4.0 I could throw a theme your way [17:32] habhatti, we're not looking for a new theme [17:32] it looks weird to me [17:32] ali1234, what? the screenshot? [17:32] ali1234, or the theme? [17:32] the screenshot page [17:32] the theme is fine [17:32] oh, that [17:32] right, likely looks weird :P [17:33] check the production website [17:33] needs more spacing [17:33] well production looks more normal [17:33] still don't like it though [17:33] the screenshot page has gotten the least love tbh [17:34] i like the production tour page. [17:34] hmm tour page is nice but... maybe a bit more wwhitespace between the blocks? [17:34] yeah [17:34] did i mention the mouse is called Xue? [17:35] apparently, according to super tux kart [17:35] ali1234, it isn't like this wasn't shown off before it hit production... but if you have actionable work items, you can start off by filing a bug :) [17:35] it's really hard to track feedback/requests on IRC [17:36] ali1234, and, it's intentional that the boxes overlap [17:36] * habhatti nods. [17:36] what boxes? [17:36] on the tour page [17:36] tour page blocks [17:36] the colored boxes [17:36] they overlap? [17:37] should... [17:37] how so? [17:37] ?? [17:37] they don't look like they overlap [17:37] maybe you should post a screenshot and tell which browser you are using [17:37] i am using firefox [17:38] which version are you talking about? [17:38] the boxes should overlap in both staging and production [17:38] overlap what? [17:38] each other [17:39] each other - please send a screenshot [17:39] otherwise i have no idea what you are seeing, and it's really hard to tell if what you see is intentional or not - since you don't seem to know what you are talking about yourself either.. [17:40] checked in ff, it's identical to chromium [17:40] http://imgur.com/jdhHDM0 [17:40] yes [17:40] see the line between the blue and the pink box [17:40] it's a mix of those two colors [17:40] okay [17:41] it doesn't look like they overlap [17:41] where are you proposing to add whitespace? [17:41] it just looks like you put a coloured border [17:41] it's not meant to be "too" obvious [17:41] i was proposing to add more padding to the top and bottom of div.hb [17:41] but t doesn't look better so forget it [17:41] ok [17:42] bbl, sauna [22:44] added release schedule dates to the team calendar [22:44] ochosi, and the reminder about translation release coordination [22:48] wow, unixstickers sold out of the 33% and 26% off t-shirts already [22:48] heh [22:51] knome isn't almost a month and a half a bit too large before a period before the official translation deadline? [22:51] the coordination is going to take time [22:52] s/too large before a period before/too large a period [22:52] even so [22:52] I was planning to make the last call for translations by the end of March [22:53] you got to remember that this is a bit different... [22:53] I was aiming at 16-18 March [22:53] there might be string changes that needs released [22:54] *need [22:54] of course, the user-facing calls for translation should happen as usually [22:54] not quite getting knome [22:54] and then we will want the translation releases to happen just before the non-languagepack freezes [22:55] if there are changes in the UI, they are subject to the UI freeze [22:55] that pretty much concerns all string changes [22:55] so we need to be on our toes for that [22:55] yeah, but NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline is expected to happen at april, 9th [22:56] do you think than 1 month a some days isn't a bot too much [22:56] no, because that's not our first target [22:56] the first target is UI freeze [22:57] we can't do translation releases that update more than translations [22:57] and to make sure that doesn't happen, we'd want those applications to have releases before the UI freeze, if possible [22:57] isn't UI freeze on March, 19th? [22:57] yes [22:57] my wrong, 12th [22:58] point being, we want the coordination to start before the UI freeze [22:58] the reminder is set to one week before that [22:58] but as i said, there are two targets... [22:58] ok, point taken and accepted [22:58] for the components that have string changes, land them for UI freee [22:59] and for everything else, land before the translation deadline [22:59] and I do see the logical of your reasoning [22:59] and sure, the reminder is quite early for that [22:59] okie doke [22:59] but it has to be because of the UI freeze [22:59] we can add another one when we hit that [22:59] you're right [22:59] when we know better which translation updates we are waiting for [22:59] right [23:00] getting a hold of all people who maintain this and that will take at least a week [23:00] and getting them to do the release... at least one week more [23:00] then we'll want it to land to ubuntu via debian, so add some time for the changes to land in debian [23:00] (note that debian might also have partially conflicting freezes) [23:01] just to be sure, we're strickly speaking about Xfce related releases, in this case, right? [23:01] yep [23:01] ko [23:39] pleia2: maybe if the things sell well we'll get discounted/free items to give out as motivational gifts ;) [23:40] they're sending me one along with our sticker bundles ;) [23:45] * slickymaster needs motivation :( [23:46] * knome takes the whip out [23:47] * slickymaster points knome to ochosi words [23:47] hah [23:48] i still have some xubuntu stickers left... with the old logo [23:48] ;) [23:48] :) [23:48] and some of the first, limited edition powered by -stickers! [23:48] that's silver on black! [23:48] thanks to pleia2 :) [23:48] Nice! [23:49] umm no, bad brain [23:49] it's white on black [23:49] but... [23:49] not the same as the current one [23:49] slickymaster, would one of those give you motivation? :P [23:50] lol, I was just kidding [23:50] so you don't want one? :P [23:50] and secretly trying to get a free t-shirt [23:50] of course I want [23:51] i'll put that on my "send this stuff to xubuntu people" list [23:51] heh [23:51] good, generous and gentle knome [23:51] :P [23:52] haha [23:52] i still have a box to send to pleia2 :d [23:55] knome, i also lack motivation for writing up the thesis. [23:56] haha [23:56] let's all spam him with lack of motivation issues [23:56] and then ask for beer. [23:57] ;) [23:57] or rum [23:57] my gf gives me candy as i progress but she fell asleep. she was my last hope [23:57] knome: well if you wanna throw some of those goodies into later motivational bundles for users e.g. for doing QA, that'd be nice [23:57] ochosi, very good idea, actually, to give goodies where you need more contributors [23:58] well we have goodies for xubuntu users and bounties for xfce contributors [23:58] ochosi, i have a very limited supply [23:58] ochosi, i also have a ping-pong ball for you :P [23:58] weeeee [23:58] \o/ [23:59] but as i've said before... i can contribute some customish artwork as a motivation