RAOFUrgh. Why hasn't gnome-do 0.95.3-2 migrated to universe?00:11
TheMusoRAOF: I assume when you say that, you are talking about the source package?01:14
RAOFTheMuso: Nah; testing-proposed-migration.01:14
RAOFTheMuso: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#gnome-do seems to say “yeah, fine”, but it's still in proposed.01:15
TheMusoAh ok.01:36
robert_ancellxnox, still around?01:45
TheMusocyphermox: It appears that on armhf, your bluez 5 package has libdir specified twice in the configure call, even though its only mentioned once in the rules file... Must be ok on x86, but I'm trying to build on armhf here, both in a chroot and on real hardware, and I've hit this problem in both instances.03:01
TheMusocyphermox: I'll have a dig to see if I can work out whats going on.03:01
pittiGood morning06:06
didrocksgood morning06:27
RAOFpitti: Aha! You wouldn't happen to know why http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#gnome-do says “yeah, it's fine to migrate” but gnome-do hasn't migrated in 7 days?06:30
didrocksRAOF: seems there is a dependency challenge, with nunit, no?06:34
pittiRAOF: Depends: gnome-do nunit06:34
pittiRAOF: it just means that gnome-do itself is fine wrt. builds, tests, etc., but it waits on nunit06:34
pittiRAOF: so your question should be about http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#nunit :)06:35
pittiright, then it's going to the "does that break any other packages" check in update_output.txt06:35
pittiRAOF: yes, it's a horrible output format06:35
pittiRAOF: so that means that at least one of those packages is uninstallable (gnome-do, gnome-do-plugins, libmonogame-cil, libmonogame-cil-dev, libtaoframework-ode-cil-dev, libtaoframework-ode0.9-cil, libtaoframework-sdl-cil-dev, libtaoframework-sdl1.2-cil, monodevelop-monogame, monodevelop-nunit, nant, openbve)06:36
pittiRAOF: at this point you should try and install all those in a vivid-proposed chroot and see what apt has to say06:36
didrockschdist FTW! :)06:36
pittior schroot :)06:36
didrockssure ;)06:37
RAOFAs luck would have it, I happen to have a vivid schroot right here...06:37
pittithis is my /etc/schroot/setup.d/90proposed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9245404/06:37
pittiso so06:37
pittiso my vivid schroot has "aliases=vivid,vivid-proposed", and if I enter "vivid-proposed", that hook will enable -proposed06:38
RAOFI always have -proposed enabled in my schroots, at least my sbuild schroots.06:38
RAOFThat's what it's built against on the buildds, right?06:38
RAOFOk, it's monodevelop-monogame06:39
didrocks monodevelop-monogame : Depends: monodevelop (< 4.0.12.) but is to be installed06:40
didrocksyep :)06:40
larsugood morning!06:43
didrockshey larsu!06:44
larsuhi didrocks. ça va?06:44
didrockslarsu: ça va bien, et toi ?06:44
larsudidrocks: nickel!06:46
larsucertainly not as tired as yesterday morning :)06:46
didrocksnice :)06:46
didrockslarsu: oh, thinking about it, yesterday night, I tried to change my weechat launchers to use the dbus-activated one as it's the only way to start a new instance as we discussed the other day06:48
didrockslarsu: I tried to inspire myself from the snippet, but without any success (I'm unsure where the -e weechat-ncurses should be): http://paste.ubuntu.com/9245532/06:49
didrocksso I still use the previous method and don't have window matching, if you have a minute to see what horrible typo I did… :)06:49
larsudidrocks: wow, the command doesn't get forwarded to the main instance? That's probably a bug06:51
larsudidrocks: you can work around for now by putting the command into the profile06:51
didrockslarsu: anyway for me to give more infos?06:52
larsuprofile preferences > command > run a custom command instead of my shell06:52
larsudidrocks: I'll let you know if I can reproduce after I made tea ;)06:52
* larsu needs tea06:52
didrockslarsu: sure ;) ok, so I need to create a new profile in that case06:52
didrockspitti: mind if I work on the ubuntu side of the *dm today while the discussion with debian RT settle down? I maybe have an idea to remove the ExecStartPre=, but I need to experiment a little06:53
pittididrocks: oh, sounds great!06:59
pittididrocks: if you have time for it, sure; but I suppose we also have a fair number of DMs in Ubuntu which all need to be moved in lockstep?07:00
didrockspitti: yeah, 6, I can handle that between today and tomorrow, depending on how fast I succeed in this ExecStartPre" :)07:01
pittididrocks: do you have an idea what to replace it with? masking?07:02
didrockspitti: trying to set it with a generator07:02
larsudidrocks: indeed. Looks like the -e is not passed when starting the _first_ terminal07:02
didrocksthat will as well handle changing /etc/X11/default-display-manager manually -> get the right systemd job starting07:02
didrockslarsu: ah, I'm not that crazy then! But I have other terminals opened as well07:03
larsudidrocks: try opening another terminal befre07:03
didrockslarsu: I have a weechat terminal here07:04
didrocksand some other terminal windows07:04
larsudidrocks: but starting another one doesn't work?07:04
didrocksI click on the launcher icon -> nothing07:04
didrocksyeah, that's why I thought that my profile isn't correct07:04
larsuok, might be that the bug I found is not the one you're seeing07:04
larsuit's a bug nonetheless :)07:05
didrocksI guess not, but yeah ;)07:05
larsudidrocks: but wait, weechat is running and you want to start another instance?07:05
larsuor is the problem that unity doesn't switch to it07:05
didrockslarsu: at least, I should see a window starting and stopping?07:05
larsuya, you should see that07:05
didrockslarsu: it's not starting at all07:05
didrockslarsu: let me close weechat for a sec, I have other terminals started07:05
didrockslarsu: right, nothing happens07:06
larsudidrocks: what happens when you start the command directly?07:07
larsugnome-terminal -e weechat-curses07:07
didrockslarsu: hum, the profile doesn't exist anymore07:07
didrocksit did exists before the package upgrade though07:07
didrocksok, so removing the --profile, it seems to work, let me try07:08
larsuhm, it should have been transitioned07:08
larsuLaney made this work, not sure how07:08
didrocksLaney: ok, it's working at least now (weird that previous profiles got withdrawn though with newer gt)07:10
didrocksoupss larsu $07:10
didrockslarsu: however, how do you handle window matching now?07:10
didrocksWM_CLASS(STRING) = "gnome-terminal-server", "Gnome-terminal"07:10
larsudidrocks: I think it uses app id now07:10
didrockslarsu: there is no matching under unity, does it work for you?07:11
larsudidrocks: no, but app matching is broken on my system anyway right now - I thought that was the problem07:11
didrockslarsu: doesn't seem so. We are back to the same issue than with my previous command then: gnome-terminal --window --class weechat -e weechat-curses07:12
larsuI really don't like this --app-id thing07:13
didrockslarsu: I'm afraid we are going to have a lot of similar use-case being broken07:13
didrockslike people having separate ssh terminal on their launchers07:13
* larsu shakes fist at desrt07:13
larsudidrocks: ya... having to have a separate app id / service is stupid07:14
larsushould just be gnome-terminal --profile=my-profile07:14
didrockslarsu: I'm sure we'll have a lot of angry admins… and agreed, it's a little bit too much boilerplate for a launcher07:14
didrockslarsu: at least, the app id should be in WM_CLASS07:15
didrocksthat would help the matching07:15
larsuit probably works on shell07:16
didrockswould be good for people to test it with unity as well when working on ubuntu :)07:16
larsuhaha, "people" ;)07:16
didrocksI have lost enough time with this anyway, moving on07:17
larsufair enough07:17
didrocksthanks for your help larsu :)07:17
larsuI'll talk to desrt07:17
larsusorry :/07:17
didrocksno worry07:17
didrockslarsu: I think having the app id in WM_CLASS would be a nice first step07:17
didrocksWM_CLASS(STRING) = "gnome-terminal-server", "Gnome-terminal"07:17
didrockstoo generic07:17
* didrocks does a tentative of a rain-free early exercising today as well08:40
seb128didrocks goes earlier every day08:43
seb128soon he's going to be out doing exercice before being awake yet ;-)08:43
seb128didrocks, good luck!08:43
larsuseb128: did you have time to look at landing the fix for bug #1386255 ?08:48
ubot5bug 1386255 in overlay-scrollbar (Ubuntu) "devhelp and many other apps crash with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke() due to overlay-scrollbars" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138625508:48
larsuI saw you unsubscribed yourself...08:48
seb128larsu, I'm not working on it which is why I'm unassigned08:49
seb128I tried to do a landing on friday afternoon but the autogenerated version was older than the current one, something weird with the CI08:50
larsuseb128: autogenerated version of what?08:50
seb128thanks for the reminder, I gave up on the landing then because I wanted to call it a day and not start debugging CI08:50
seb128going to try agian now08:50
seb128of the package08:50
larsuoh cool, thanks08:50
larsulet me know if I can help out08:50
seb128I doubt you can, that was purely packaging and CI automation08:50
seb128but thanks08:50
willcookemorning all08:53
larsumorning willcooke!08:54
willcookewhat's going down08:55
willcookedid we ever reach a consensus about that .desktop stuff from yesterday evening?08:55
larsuthere was some more discussion about it in #gtk08:56
larsunothing productive it seems08:56
willcookeseb128, do you want to keep pushing forward with it, or shall we park it until next week?08:57
seb128willcooke, no really, it goes down to "the technical decision was made to just rename without considering upgrades/stability, now we have to add logic in different places to try to be smart about it but it's never going to be perfect"08:58
seb128willcooke, I'm done with it08:58
larsuwe're set on the general idea of having a mapping file somewhere08:58
seb128reality check is that others don't care much08:58
willcookewho are others?08:58
larsuwhat we haven't agreed on is whether we map on access or have some kind of transition running once08:58
seb128upstream, whoever is deciding that dbus activation has to be done this way08:58
larsuseb128: this was desrt and me...08:59
seb128let's say that the probably that they change their mind to support apps that want to do dbus activation without renaming ius low08:59
seb128larsu, dunno, desrt told me several time that I was arguing with a strawman yesterday09:00
seb128when talking to me09:00
seb128so maybe I didn't understand what he meant09:00
larsumeh, I don't want to get into this again now09:01
seb128yeah, me neither09:01
seb128willcooke, bottom line is that I'm in the minority but I think the fundamental approach taken, to force the renaming despite the compatibility breakage it represents, is wrong09:04
seb128willcooke, it's going to force us into patching toolkit and doing complex workarounds that are not going to cover all cases09:04
seb128willcooke, but I'm overruled there so I'm just going to let Laney and desrt deal with it, they have ideas and they think it should work reasonably enough09:04
seb128we shall see09:05
seb128I predict it's going to bite us back09:05
seb128but let's see, I might be wrong ;-)09:05
Laneyoh hi09:08
seb128hey Laney, wie gehts?09:11
Laneyseb128: okay thanks09:14
seb128Laney, I'm good thanks ;-)09:15
Laneysomeone's trying to start one of these in town https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/354625846/the-kitty-cafe-help-us-bring-cat-cafes-to-nottingh09:15
willcookeeuggghhhh.  They serve food with loads of cats wondering about the place, pissing on everything.  yuck.09:19
willcookewhat happens to the cats at the end of the day?09:20
seb128willcooke, you got it wrong, the cats are part of the food09:20
seb128if you catch one you can eat it :p09:20
willcookeseb128, lol! :D09:20
seb128before people start looking at me wrong, I love cats and wouldn't hurt one, just for the record ;-)09:21
chrisccoulsonhi mvo__, you around?09:21
chrisccoulsonhey willcooke, seb128. how's it going?09:22
willcookehey chrisccoulson09:22
seb128hey chrisccoulson, good! you?09:22
willcookeLaney, I am reminded of the Father Ted episode with the rabbits09:22
seb128chrisccoulson, did you see that people really need some mp merged in?09:22
willcooke"I'll take care of the rabbits".09:22
willcooke"I'll put them in the vice"09:23
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, I'm aware ;)09:23
larsumorning Laney09:23
mvo__chrisccoulson: hello, yes09:28
Laneyman I haven't really watched father ted09:29
Laneyhey larsu, what's up?09:29
chrisccoulsonhi mvo__, how are you?09:29
larsuLaney: playing around in the inspector. You?09:29
Laneyjust saw that the daily images failed to build :-o09:29
mvo__chrisccoulson: good, thanks. how are you?09:29
chrisccoulsonmvo__, yeah, not bad thanks. Busy :)09:30
Laneyseb128: can we put remmina-plugin-nx remmina-dbg in universe?09:30
Laneyjust saw them on c-m09:30
mvo__chrisccoulson: heh, tell me about it ;)09:30
chrisccoulsonmvo__, so, i'm a bit confused about https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/oxide/multi-arch-fixes/+merge/242458 actually. I'm not sure I fully understand the problem yet09:31
seb128Laney, why were they in main?09:31
chrisccoulsonthe codecs packages already install everything in to a multi-arch path, don't they? (/usr/lib/<arch>/oxide-qt)09:31
mvo__chrisccoulson: ok, where is the gap :) my goal is that I want to be able to do: apt-get install ubuntu-sdk-libs:armhf09:31
mvo__chrisccoulson: they do? if thats the case, brilliant, I have checked some weeks (months?) ago and it wasn't back then09:32
mvo__chrisccoulson: let me re-check09:32
Laneywait it's not09:32
Laneywhat is c-m showing09:32
chrisccoulsonAFAIR, that's always been the case. so perhaps there's a different problem09:32
Laneyah just the dbg package I think09:33
Laneyit probably got a dependency on all of the plugins09:33
Laneyoh right, that one is new in vivid09:33
Laneylarsu: is inspector proving useful when doing theme fixes?09:36
mvo__chrisccoulson: you are right, sorry for that, let me inspect whats going on09:36
chrisccoulsonno worries :)09:37
larsuLaney: insanely09:38
larsuLaney: especially for playing around with selectors. Open widget factory, write a rule with 'background-color: green' and see if you only select the things you want to09:38
willcookeoh. well crap.  It turns out I've had access to the beta of Elite Dangerous all this time, but I never logged in to their crappy forums so I didn't get told.09:40
willcookenever mind, no Windows machine to play it on anyway09:40
LaneyFirefox just started and restored my tabs without it being embarrassing09:41
larsuit does this all the time for me, unless it gets killed early09:41
LaneyI get that 0% of the time09:42
larsuwhich happens ~50% of the time when logging out without closing it first09:42
Laneymaybe it's because I shut down without closing it 100% of the time ;-)09:42
mvo__chrisccoulson: I looked into this again and removed my other merge proposal, the issue is https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/oxide/crossbuild-friendly/+merge/234093 - i.e. conflict across arches thats causing the trouble. the other MP was silly (bad memory on my part what the real problem was)09:53
chrisccoulsonmvo__, aha, thanks for looking at it :)09:56
mvo__chrisccoulson: I will think a bit more about it, maybe the arch specific conflict in there is indeed the best option (even though it feels a bit ugly)09:57
willcookeseb128, qengho was looking to get the official flash plugins in to the archive - how can I find out if that happened without asking him?09:58
willcookeI've looked in apt-cache search and I see, e.g. "pepperflashplugin-nonfree"09:58
willcookewhich makes me think it's ther09:58
seb128willcooke, not sure if that's the "official" one, maybe chrisccoulson knows?09:59
seb128willcooke, but otherwise without knowing the package name I'm unsure, you can look on the -changes list09:59
Laneypitti: hey, did you see the lvm2 → dmeventd component mismatch?09:59
chrisccoulsonit's not. qengho has some packages, but I still need to review them (I do have some comments on it actually)09:59
willcookethanks chrisccoulson, seb12810:00
didrocksseb128: avoiding rain -> success, blocking knees -> failed :/10:08
seb128didrocks, "blocking"?!10:09
didrocksyeah, I couldn't run the last 200m in the park, knees hurting too much10:09
didrocksso fast walk was fine and luckily and I could cycle back without any pain10:10
seb128I hope it's a minor issue10:10
didrocksseb128: I do as well, the ground was compact due to the previous day rains10:12
didrocksso hopefully just that10:12
didrockson the positive side, a lot of squirrels :)10:12
willcookedidrocks, do you have good running shoes?10:13
willcookeI'm expecting that you don't run in flip flops :)10:13
larsudidrocks: be careful man!10:13
didrockswillcooke: well, they are self-destroying right now TBH, so I need to change, but I never had knees issues with them10:13
willcookegetting old :)10:13
didrocksso can be related to current state, needs to get the motivation for shopping :)10:13
larsudidrocks: I had lots of knee troubles that went away after a physician told me that I had muscle imbalance10:14
larsudidrocks: also, I changed my running style10:14
didrockswillcooke: yeah, that as well, I'm still looking for a patch10:14
didrockslarsu: yeah, I don't have knees issues normally (apart if I'm just running multiple days on the sideway, what I avoid) since I run (3 years now), so I guess that would have declared earlier10:15
larsudidrocks: makes sense, yeah10:17
larsube careful anyways ;)10:17
didrocksyeah, thanks man :)10:18
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pittiLaney: ah, moved; thanks for pointing out10:28
willcookeCouple of people have reported this now:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/553624/unity-gone-after-upgrading-14-10-to-latest-3-16-kernel10:35
seb128willcooke, weird :/10:44
* willcooke -> haircut10:53
larsuwoah. quick.11:39
chrisccoulsonright, chromium is up-to-date in the archive now12:03
chrisccoulson^ qengho :)12:03
popeychrisccoulson: i just did an update and get 404 on updating chromium12:41
popeyE: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/c/chromium-browser/chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra_39.0.2171.65-0ubuntu0.  404  Not Found [IP: 80]12:41
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ogra_popey, forgotten apt-get update ?12:43
popeynope, did that immediately before.12:43
ogra_right, i was just stating the obvious :)12:44
popeyof course12:44
chrisccoulsonpopey, it seems you just hit at the wrong point during the publisher run12:45
popeyok, I'll update again12:45
chrisccoulsonit's there now12:45
seb128didrocks, pitti, Laney, something is not working anymore in vivid with suspend inhibitors12:45
popeyyou're right chrisccoulson ☻12:45
seb128the setting to do nothing on lid close when on power doesn't work12:45
seb128laptop does suspend anyway12:46
didrocksseb128: oh, interesting, mind filing a bug?12:48
seb128didrocks, against what? systemd?12:48
seb128can somebody confirm?12:49
didrockslet's put it there and we'll see12:49
didrockscan try12:49
seb128just change the setting in u-c-c and try to close the lid12:49
didrocksso, power12:49
didrocksand do nothing12:49
didrocksone sec12:49
LaneyI don't have vivid on laptop yet12:49
didrocksseb128: argh, working here :/12:50
didrockswhen lid is closed and power on -> setting to "do nothing". Closing lid -> doesn't suspend12:50
Laneyanything interesting in usd output?12:50
seb128$ gdbus call --system -d org.freedesktop.login1 -o /org/freedesktop/login1 -m org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.ListInhibitors12:50
seb128([('handle-power-key:handle-suspend-key:handle-hibernate-key', 'seb128', 'GNOME handling keypresses', 'block', uint32 1000, uint32 3953), ('sleep', 'root', 'inhibited', 'delay', 0, 1097), ('shutdown:sleep', 'Telepathy', 'Disconnecting IM accounts before suspend/shutdown...', 'delay', 1000, 4403)],)12:50
pittiwhere is that precisely? I don't any more have columns for "on power"/"on battery"12:51
pittiwell, I don't currently have a battery inserted, I guess that's why12:51
seb128pitti, settings -> power12:51
davmor2didrocks: seb128: I'm assuming both of you are on the most recent version of vivid with it right?12:51
didrocksdavmor2: yeah12:51
didrocksfreshly updated this morning12:51
seb128same here12:51
seb128but the bug is there for some time12:51
pitti"do nothing" -> opening lid, closing lid, nothing happens12:51
seb128didrocks, what does that ^ call returns for you?12:51
pittisetting to "suspend" -> opening and closing lid, still nothing happens12:52
didrocks([('sleep', 'root', 'inhibited', 'delay', uint32 0, uint32 762), ('handle-power-key:handle-suspend-key:handle-hibernate-key', 'didrocks', 'GNOME handling keypresses', 'block', 1000, 1237), ('shutdown:sleep', 'Telepathy', 'Disconnecting IM accounts before suspend/shutdown...', 'delay', 1000, 2455), ('shutdown:sleep', 'didrocks', 'user session inhibited', 'block', 1000, 1249)],)12:52
pittiin a way that's good as it's in a dock and not supposed to suspend12:52
pittibut it sounds like the opposite of what you have12:52
seb128didrocks has a shutdown:sleep inhibit12:52
didrockspitti: confirmed, doesn't suspend here even with the setting on12:52
didrockswhich is weird, I do remember to have it suspending just this week-end12:53
didrocks(I didn't want to reboot and I was plugged (was I?))12:53
seb128Laney, usd log only has12:53
seb128(unity-settings-daemon:3953): media-keys-plugin-WARNING **: Failed to get old screen percentage: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon.Power was not provided by any .service files12:53
pittiyeah; I did that a while ago, and for the first time in years I was happy that it doesn't suspend while it's docked12:53
* didrocks has doubts now12:53
pitti"loginctl show-seat", btw12:53
Laneywell, doesn't need everyone, these two can debug it with you ;-)12:54
pittiah no, that doesn't show the lid/suspend inhibitors12:54
seb128pitti, "gdbus call --system -d org.freedesktop.login1 -o /org/freedesktop/login1 -m org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.ListInhibitors" does?12:55
seb128or you want a systemd command?12:55
pitti([('sleep', 'root', 'inhibited', 'delay', uint32 0, uint32 730), ('handle-power-key:handle-suspend-key:handle-hibernate-key', 'martin', 'GNOME handling keypresses', 'block', 1000, 1767), ('shutdown:sleep', 'Telepathy', 'Disconnecting IM accounts before suspend/shutdown...', 'delay', 1000, 2242)],)12:55
pittiseb128: yeah, I was just wondering if there's a simpler way12:55
seb128pitti, that looks similar to mine12:57
seb128you have sleep inhibited with a delay?12:58
seb128but not blocked?12:58
Laneydesrt: glib testsuite time - can you think why https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/tree/glib/tests/mainloop.c#n1640 would fail (nfds == 3) on LE powerpc64 only?12:59
pittiseb128: yeah, that's telepathy13:00
pittiseb128: it wants to disconnect before sleeping, so it can defer suspend13:00
pittiseb128: oh, right13:00
pittiseb128: so it seems I don't have the expected inhibitor as well?13:00
seb128seems so13:00
* pitti needs to grab some lunch, brb13:00
seb128pitti, enjoy!13:00
* Laney lunches too13:01
* seb128 just back from it13:01
* larsu too13:02
chrisccoulsonpopey, i've pinged IS about it in case it warrants further investigation. Apparently that's not meant to happen13:07
popeyso i see ☻13:08
chrisccoulsonoh, you're there too13:09
desrtLaney: fun times13:36
larsudesrt: morning. time to talk gnome-terminal profile-as-app?13:37
desrtgood morning13:38
desrti'm afraid i don't have a lot to contribute to that discussion right now, but sure :)13:38
larsufor starters, .local/share/dbus-1/services doesn't seem to be in dbus' search path on ubuntu13:39
larsualso, window matching on unity is broken (WM_CLASS doesn't include the profile name)13:39
desrtLaney: if i were to guess, i'd say https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=b3e3ed73864143e732c4d65441eaec086a3ab83e has something to do with it13:39
larsuand also, it's just too complicated...13:40
larsua .desktop file should be enough13:40
desrtwhen we have systemd as a session manager it will be...13:40
larsuoh, right13:41
desrtit will use a dbus-service-named desktopfile as a service file13:41
larsustill, why can't I just tell the server to spawn a new window with the right profile?13:41
larsuits all one process anyway...13:41
larsuLaney: do you have a utopic vm around? Can you make a screenshot of the first panel of gtk3-widget-factory for me pretty please?13:47
larsuin Ambiance or Radiance13:47
seb128larsu, I have13:52
seb128larsu, give me a minute, need to boot vm and install the factory13:53
seb128larsu, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/gtk.png14:00
seb128larsu, shrug, you got a didrocks notification in there ;-)14:01
didrocksspoiler alert, french inside! :)14:01
larsuseb128: ok. much more broken with 3.14 than I thought. Thanks a lot!14:01
seb128larsu, yw14:03
seb128larsu, :-(14:03
larsuseb128: it's fine. You'll like the diffstat of this....14:04
seb128lot of - ? ;-)14:04
larsu*a lot*14:04
larsu 3 files changed, 49 insertions(+), 232 deletions(-)14:05
larsuso far14:05
seb128great ;-)14:05
larsuno visible changes (except some fixes that we discussed)14:05
seb128let me know if you want more testers14:05
jhodappwillcooke, ping14:05
seb128larsu, btw overlay-scrollbar should be buildable through CI again, sil2100 is fixing their tools, they had regressions due to buggy code changes14:07
larsunice, thanks14:07
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seb128yw, thanks to sil, I just pointed the issue and he debugged it14:08
Laneylarsu: kay, sec14:14
larsuLaney: seb already helped, thanks14:14
Laneydesrt: indeed, not sure why it would be arch specific though14:14
Laneyah sweet14:14
desrtLaney: 'bugs'14:14
larsudesrt: no further comment on the terminal thing? Do I have to talk to chpe about it? :/14:16
willcookejhodapp, pong14:24
desrtlarsu: i've discussed with chpe a couple of times that 'something nicer' would be .. nice14:26
larsudesrt: I guess no specifics about possible values of 'nicer'? is there a bug about this?14:27
desrtnot as far as i know14:28
larsuI'd love to have a menu item like epiphany14:28
larsu"make this profile into an app"14:28
desrtactually, there may be a bug about this14:28
desrti remember writing about this14:28
larsuI didn't find anything14:28
desrtbecause it's not quite as easy as the ephy case14:29
larsuwhy not?`14:29
desrtbecause some of my terminal profiles are app-like and others are alternate-preference-set-like14:29
larsuright, so don't click the menu item for the latter14:30
ubot5Gnome bug 719999 in Profiles "better profile support" [Normal,New]14:30
larsudesrt: thanks14:30
jhodappwillcooke, hey...interesting development I learned about today...14:31
jhodappwillcooke, ylopes, the maintainer of QtMultimedia is tasked with implementing hardware video decoding using VAAPI for QtMultimedia asap14:31
jhodappwillcooke, he's interested in coordinating with your team on this14:32
qenghowillcooke: fyi, the chromium you were expecting has landed.14:32
willcookeqengho, thanks :)14:33
willcookejhodapp, cool :)14:33
jhodappwillcooke, this would be with the qtmultimedia port to gstreamer 1.x finally landing too14:33
willcookejhodapp, I was about to ask, does this work with GStreamer :)14:33
jhodappwillcooke, it'll first be available in Qt 5.5, but will be turned off by default14:33
jhodappwillcooke, yes, it'll be implemented using gstreamer's vaapi plugin14:34
jhodappwillcooke, mind if I pass on your email addr to him?14:34
willcookejhodapp, please do, I'll need to pull in seb128 as well, but happy to get a conversation going14:35
willcookethanks jhodapp14:35
seb128willcooke, do what?14:35
jhodappwillcooke, yes, that is my goal: to start the conversation now14:35
jhodappwillcooke, QtMultimedia with Gst 1.x will need a lot of testing on the desktop alone, let alone enabling hardware video decoding14:36
willcookeseb128, to sync up with the guy who's getting QtMultimedia using VAAPI on the desktop14:36
seb128oh ok14:36
willcooke(well, for us it will be on the desktop)14:36
willcookejhodapp, that might be a good candidate for the Desktop Next image, so we can see if working there first14:37
jhodappwillcooke, indeed!14:37
jhodappwillcooke, it's very exciting because we'll finally be able to unseed gstreamer 0.10 from the default image14:37
jhodappand let it RIP14:38
ogra_high hopes14:40
Laneyit only fails with MALLOC_CHECK_=2 ./mainloop --tap14:51
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desrtLaney: did you try a revert?15:41
Laneya revert will remove the test15:44
desrtoh.  it's a new test?15:44
Laneyit's interesting that it is so sensitive15:45
desrtand the problem is on ppc64 _LE_?15:45
Laneyright, like we have in D & U now15:45
desrtweird that it should be on another 64bit le arch15:45
desrtppc64 be would not have surprised me15:45
Laneydo you have access to the Canonical porter machines? it reproduces there15:45
desrti really ought to have it though :)15:46
Laneygo ask #is for that if you want to look15:46
bregmamlankhorst, did you get ChrisTownsend's email yesterday looking for help tracking down a problem in XMir?16:17
willcookebregma, mlankhorst is out today16:17
willcookeshould be back in tomorrow16:18
seb128speaking of which16:30
seb128didrocks, Laney, larsu, others, I'm having a VAC day tomorrow so don't worry if I'm not around, I'm back on friday16:30
Laneyoh, enjoy!16:31
Laneyfinally going to the poezenboot?16:31
seb128haha, that's an interesting idea, let's see ;-)16:32
seb128qengho, hey, did you find a bug report about the chromium/i965 issue? still happening with today's updates16:42
mdeslaurqengho: is that happening with chrome also? or are they not using the same sandbox as chromium?16:42
qenghomdeslaur: same with chrome16:43
mdeslaurqengho: ugh :(16:43
qenghoseb128, mdeslaur: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=415681   http://keithp.com/blogs/chromium-dri3/16:46
qenghoseb128: I'm going to try look at a workaround. I may need a tester.16:47
seb128qengho, ok, feel free to ping if you need testing, I can easily do that16:47
didrocksseb128: enjoy man!16:48
seb128didrocks, thanks ;-)16:48
qenghoseb128: Give me your "lsmod" in a pastebin, plese?16:48
seb128qengho, http://paste.ubuntu.com/9252254/16:49
mdeslaurqengho: can't you do like they did here? https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/caa8c58cb570091ea27d8d75a406022ef8e0e82d%5E!/#F016:52
qenghoseb128:  echo 'lsmod |grep ^i915\  >/dev/null && export LIBGL_DRI3_DISABLE=1' |sudo tee /etc/chromium-browser/customizations/50-intel-dri316:52
larsuseb128: enjoy!16:53
seb128larsu, danke16:53
larsuseb128: any plans?16:53
seb128larsu, not really, just days to use before decembre and weather should be nice16:54
qenghomdeslaur: Something like that. More targeted, maybe.16:54
seb128Laney, pitti17:03
seb128$ ldd -r /usr/lib/unity-settings-daemon-1.0/libpower.so17:03
seb128undefined symbol: up_client_enumerate_devices_sync(/usr/lib/unity-settings-daemon-1.0/libpower.so)17:03
seb128I wonder if my inhibit issue is due to that17:03
seb128(some test user logs have the missing symbol error, wonder why my user doesn't)17:03
seb128** (unity-settings-daemon:18547): WARNING **: /usr/lib/unity-settings-daemon-1.0/libpower.so: undefined symbol: up_client_enumerate_devices_sync17:04
seb128it does when running manually17:04
seb128didrocks, ^17:04
seb128** (unity-settings-daemon:18547): WARNING **: Cannot load plugin 'Énergie' since file '/usr/lib/unity-settings-daemon-1.0/libpower.so' cannot be read.17:04
didrocksseb128: oh nice catch!17:05
seb128that probably explain why screen controls keys don't work either17:05
* seb128 looks for a fix17:05
Laneythere's some upstream fixes for new UPower things17:05
Laneyprobably take those17:05
seb128yeah, that's what I'm looking at17:05
seb128Laney, ok, I think we want at least https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?id=3ebfd1fb9311a2e7f6af748ee0a534c1e7f6946b17:22
seb128but it doesn't apply cleanly/there were some prior changes to that source17:22
seb128I'm unsure how much changes we want, but I'm not going to be able to get that done today17:23
seb128so feel free to work on that tomorrow if you want17:23
seb128or I'm going to go back to it on friday17:23
seb128didrocks, didn't we say we would use the "transitions" ppa for bluez? seems like the "bluez5" is being used (shame that we can't delete one which has been created)17:27
Laneyyeah I need to update to vivid first, will see if I get to it tomorrow17:28
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didrocksseb128: urgh, at worst, I'll do a source copy, not sure why this one was used, the blueprint has the right one mentionned17:30
* didrocks put a notes17:30
didrocksseb128: btw, now that I fixed the xdm issues without any unit file, your turn! Unity doesn't starts with xdm :p17:31
seb128do you know why?17:31
seb128oh, I know I bet17:31
didrocksunsure, can be that DESKOPT_SESSION isn't set properly?17:31
didrocksgdm works17:31
seb128it's bug #129362917:31
ubot5bug 1293629 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "[Regression] [Trusty] Unity can't be started from kdm" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129362917:31
didrocksok, XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP17:32
didrocksnot sure we do really care anyway, especially for xdm, my eyes are bleeding everytime it's starting :)17:32
didrocksbut still more modern than wdm :p17:32
pittiseb128: ouch, indeed! that needs porting to upower 0.99 then, enumeration isn't necessary any more17:33
seb128pitti, cf what I wrote to Laney, I'm not going to be able to do that today and I'm off tomorrow, so if one of you want to work on that please do, otherwise I can look to it on friday17:33
Laneynot failing on implicit declaration FTL17:34
seb128not having report of u-s-d plugin load fails FTL as well17:34
seb128not the first time we got bitten by a plugin silently failing to load17:34
seb128I also wonder why your power options to inhibit suspend work if the plugin fails to load17:35
seb128well, those who tried earlier17:36
seb128could be didrocks and pitti17:36
seb128I don't remember now who tested ;-)17:36
Laneycertainly not me17:37
Laneyis this why my screen doesn't blank after it locks though?17:37
seb128k, so didrocks and pitti17:37
seb128could be yes17:37
LaneyI thought I noticed it but I always turn the monitors off so wasn't sure17:37
* didrocks eod, see you guys!18:00
didrocksenjoy your thursday seb128 :)18:00
* willcooke -> EOD. 18:07
willcookeDay off tomorrow.  Don't burn anything.18:07
* chrisccoulson sets fire to everything18:10
charlesmy hair!18:11
desrtLaney: i suppose i'm meant to be using pbuilders on the porter boxes...18:31
desrtor schroots18:31
qenghomdeslaur:  echo 'lsmod |grep ^i915\  >/dev/null && export LIBGL_DRI3_DISABLE=1' |sudo tee /etc/chromium-browser/customizations/50-intel-dri319:28
qenghomdeslaur: tell me how that goes with chromium.19:28
mdeslaurqengho: wfm19:31
qenghomdeslaur: thanks.19:46
mdeslaurqengho: I haven't tested with the AA profile though, might want to try it first19:47
mdeslauryeah, sorry, apparmor19:47
Steve_Jobsis the there a good irc room to discuss compiz? or would this be it?21:49
robert_ancellTheMuso, how much stuff breaks when you switch to bluez5?23:29
robert_ancellWondering if I can do this safely on my dev machine23:29
TheMusorobert_ancell: I have no idea, I haven't tested it mseyfl, I'm still on utopic.23:32
TheMusoI just did the package merge/update for pulse.23:32
robert_ancellTheMuso, did you run from the PPA or just upload pulse to it?23:32
robert_ancellTheMuso, then the related question - if I use that PPA and pull down pulse will bad things happen?23:33
TheMusoI just uploaded pulse to it.23:34
robert_ancelloh stuff it. I'm just going to switch to vivid23:34

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