[07:40] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Is there anything i should be doing while we wait for new gtk?
[07:41] <darkxst> Noskcaj, see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/packaging-vv-roadmap
[07:42] <darkxst> but yeh nearly everything is blocked on gtk
[11:15] <eliasps> Any admin of the Ubuntu GNOME's facebook page here? There is a spam answer to the latest post, which I think needs to be deleted.
[11:16] <amjjawad> eliasps, which post?
[11:17] <amjjawad> eliasps, user banned ;)
[11:17] <eliasps> Hey Ali. Good :)
[11:17] <amjjawad> eliasps, ;)
[11:17] <amjjawad> they have no chance with me
[11:18] <eliasps> Yeah, I deal with spammers all the time on social media. Blocking is the only affective solution
[11:19] <amjjawad> eliasps, yes
[11:20] <amjjawad> you're part of the marketing now, correct?
[11:20] <eliasps> Yes
[11:21] <amjjawad> I may need you to be in charge on the social media
[11:22] <amjjawad> In fact, all the marketing dept should
[11:22] <amjjawad> let's make the announcement first ;) you guys have new TL
[11:22] <amjjawad> and we need acting TL as well
[11:22] <amjjawad> I explained that on my long email
[11:24] <eliasps> No problem on that. I can handle it. If that changes somehow I'll make sure to inform you and the team members so there will always be an active administrator.
[11:25] <amjjawad> it is not the spam I am worried about
[11:25] <amjjawad> for a year and a half, spam and spammers really few
[11:25] <amjjawad> we need general information and general chat between us as the team and the users
[11:26] <amjjawad> all our recruitments are based on the social media
[11:26] <eliasps> From my experience the key to social media administration is to keep posting the news and developments of the community. Ubuntu GNOME's priority and Ubuntu General as well, because it affects all the systems.
[11:26] <amjjawad> I do my best to keep these channels active but I am always hungry for more
[11:26] <eliasps> Plus, user interaction is vital
[11:26] <eliasps> Exactly
[11:26] <amjjawad> this is what I do for one year and a half :)
[11:27] <amjjawad> but it is draining all my energy and time because I am the only one who is doing that
[11:27] <amjjawad> Alferdo is helping every now and then but that is not enough
[11:27] <amjjawad> we need more
[11:27] <amjjawad> the whole team must be in charge
[11:27] <eliasps> I can see how that can be exhausting.
[11:28] <amjjawad> I take care of the official announcement while you guys can handle the general stuff
[11:28] <amjjawad> not to mention, I have so many pages to handle on different places
[11:28] <amjjawad> each project has 3 channels
[11:28] <amjjawad> ToriOS, StartUbuntu, UG, etc
[11:28] <amjjawad> x 3
[11:28] <amjjawad> that is a huge burden
[11:28] <eliasps> Lots of work. I understand
[11:28] <mjayk> Afternoon all
[11:28] <amjjawad> and this is just ONE area ... did I mention there are 5 other areas only with UG?
[11:28] <amjjawad> yep
[11:29] <eliasps> Yes, if not all of them, the majority of the marketing team should be able to administrate the social media
[11:29] <amjjawad> that's the plan this cycle
[11:29] <eliasps> I administrate Ubuntu-gr LoCo social media. But there are a few other contributors with me, really active. And the media works perfect that way
[11:29] <amjjawad> mjayk, hi :)
[11:29] <eliasps> Hi mjayk
[11:31] <mjayk> Was just about to email the mailing list seen as this seams to be active ill dump it here too where would I be of most use to help out for ubuntu gnome as I've used both for years
[11:33] <eliasps> mjayk if you want to help Ubuntu GNOME, it would be best to do it in a way that you enjoy. It would be as productive for you as for Ubuntu GNOME :)
[11:34] <eliasps> For instance, if you are interested in testing, you should do that, or user support, or anything you like.
[11:34] <eliasps> Contributing to Linux should be fun and interesting!
[11:35] <eliasps> But yeah, It would be good to ask any questions to the mailing list as well, to get more opinions!
[11:35] <mjayk> Sounds good
[11:36] <amjjawad> mjayk, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GettingInvolved
[11:38] <mjayk> good link i had a browse of that last night
[11:45] <amjjawad> mjayk, take your time
[11:45] <amjjawad> we're not going anywhere :D
[11:46] <amjjawad> and here is a breaking news
[11:46] <mjayk> i hope not ;)
[11:46] <amjjawad> Ubuntu GNOME is the best community ever :D
[11:46] <mjayk> Ive run gnome on my own with ubuntu for ages but just recently used the actual gnome-ubuntu iso for 14.04
[11:46] <mjayk> figured i should have done that a while a go
[11:47] <amjjawad> mjayk, community wise, and system wise, we are the best :D
[11:47] <amjjawad> okay, let's be humble
[11:47] <amjjawad> one of the best :D
[11:48] <mjayk> :)
[11:48] <amjjawad> mjayk, are you Matthew?
[11:48] <eliasps_> Frustrating thing here, when the weather get windy, the throubles with the internet begin :P
[11:48] <mjayk> I am indeed oO
[11:49] <amjjawad> eliasps, sorry to know that
[11:49] <amjjawad> mjayk, I am afraid I can not approve your request
[11:49] <amjjawad> yes, I am one of the main leaders of his project
[11:49] <amjjawad> yet, I am not a developer :)
[11:49] <mjayk> oh for the packaging team ?
[11:49] <amjjawad> darkxst, needs to approve that request of yours
[11:49] <amjjawad> yep
[11:49] <amjjawad> darkxst, is the head of devs
[11:50] <amjjawad> I am the community leader
[11:50] <amjjawad> I handle everything except codes and artwork :)
[11:50] <mjayk> cool whilst im not an IT person I do the packaging for our debain lab servers so ive done that before figured it would be a good place to sstart
[11:51] <amjjawad> mjayk, I have an idea
[11:51] <amjjawad> beside that, what other skills do you have?
[11:51] <mjayk> I have all the skills ;)
[11:51] <mjayk> im a physicist erm i do modelling have a good grasp of most internety things
[11:52] <mjayk> amjjawad: thats a hard question to answer lol
[11:52] <amjjawad> I meant
[11:52] <amjjawad> we have 9 different areas
[11:53] <amjjawad> check our sub-teams please
[11:53] <mjayk> ah yes i looked at them
[11:53] <mjayk> I figured the packaging was a good place to start as I had exp. Otherwise the ones that interest me are Documentation, Communications and probably testing :)
[11:54] <amjjawad> we need testers
[11:54] <amjjawad> we need people in marketing
[11:55] <amjjawad> how good are you when it comes to dealing with people?
[11:56] <mjayk> I like to think im good with people
[11:56] <amjjawad> is that yes or no?
[11:56] <mjayk> its a yes :)
[11:56] <amjjawad> okay
[11:57] <amjjawad> let's start with testing and marketing?
[11:57] <amjjawad> how about that?
[11:57] <mjayk> that sounds good to me be more than happy
[11:57] <amjjawad> there is a process you need to follow which is on the page I sent you. That page has several links and each link is a must-read
[11:57] <amjjawad> take a free advice from someone who has been around for 4 years doing tons of things at the same time and burned out 10000 times :D
[11:58] <mjayk> Yes im currently making my way through them
[11:58] <amjjawad> be involved with 1 or 2 areas only
[11:58] <amjjawad> learn how to walk, then start running after that
[11:58] <amjjawad> the period of time that you will need is all depending on you
[11:58] <amjjawad> I joined Ubuntu GNOME in July 2013 as a QA leader
[11:58] <amjjawad> in a month, I became a team leader of 5 different sub-teams
[11:59] <amjjawad> it is all depending on how fast you learn and apply
[11:59] <mjayk> So im just having a look at the communications team page
[11:59] <amjjawad> take your itme
[11:59] <amjjawad> time
[11:59] <amjjawad> I must update that page
[11:59] <amjjawad> maybe the new team leader will do that :D
[11:59] <amjjawad> as I am stepping down from that sub-team and keep low profile
[12:00] <amjjawad> eliasps, how about to fill a role?
[12:00] <eliasps> ;)
[12:00] <amjjawad> eliasps, testier + acting team leader?
[12:00] <amjjawad> the marketing sub-team needs lots of love
[12:01] <eliasps> Like I said, I'm willing to contribute to the team any way I can, so yeah
[12:01] <amjjawad> perfect
[12:02] <amjjawad> how much people in Greece love Linux and into Linux?
[12:02] <eliasps> Not too many, but those who do are very committed. There is a tremendous amount of work that gets done in Greek Linux communities
[12:03] <eliasps> That's what inspired me in the first place
[12:03] <amjjawad> amazing
[12:03] <amjjawad> so, in your opinion, how many we can invite to join us?
[12:03] <amjjawad> we need more manpower
[12:04] <eliasps> I check for that and I'll inform you. diamond_gr is already on board. Most of the community members are dealing with user support on our forums and media
[12:05] <amjjawad> I just have a feeling that you guys can do wonders
[12:05] <amjjawad> the speed you guys translated our pages was impressive
[12:05] <eliasps> Unfortunately not everyone is familiar with the wiki syntax
[12:05] <amjjawad> with the same speed, if we managed to spread the word of Ubuntu GNOME
[12:06] <amjjawad> that would be amazing
[12:06] <amjjawad> we don't need lots of wiki editor
[12:06] <amjjawad> we need people who never stop talking and writing
[12:06] <amjjawad> we need PR and Marketing people
[12:06] <amjjawad> spreading the word of UG
[12:06] <eliasps> diamond_gr and I are trying to spread the word of Ubuntu GNOME in Greece. Via the forums, the media and ubuntugnome.gr
[12:07] <amjjawad> not only in Greece
[12:07] <amjjawad> we need else where too
[12:07] <amjjawad> Let's see how you guys will do ;)
[12:07] <amjjawad> I will hand over the marketing team to you
[12:07] <amjjawad> you have one cycle :D
[12:07] <amjjawad> dazzle me :P
[12:07] <eliasps> :)
[12:08] <amjjawad> and I trust you can indeed dazzle everyone
[12:08] <eliasps> Yeah, through marketing and promotion everything is possible.
[12:09] <amjjawad> hope so
[12:12] <mjayk> I have a question which you may beable to answer
[12:13] <amjjawad> mjayk, ask :)
[12:13] <mjayk> what is the idea of ubuntu gnome is it to provide a ubuntu os with a base as close to stock gnome as possible
[12:13] <mjayk> or is it to provide a distanced os which has a ubunttu base
[12:13] <mjayk> does that make sence
[12:14] <amjjawad> mjayk, the answer to your Q is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME#Introduction
[12:15] <amjjawad> give users the ability to use Ubuntu with different flavor, that is GNOME
[12:15] <amjjawad> we share the same core system and same repositories but different DE and default apps
[12:16] <mjayk> yes so i see that, and get its the same core system
[12:16] <eliasps> As a fun of both Ubuntu and GNOME I think it combines everything that was missing from Ubuntu.
[12:16] <amjjawad> we have the same release schedule, etc
[12:16] <mjayk> but what i mean is how do people feel generally within the group about modifications of gnome shipped by default. I just curious regarding direction.
[12:17] <amjjawad> not sure I got that?
[12:17] <mjayk> for instance as a random example
[12:17] <mjayk> how tied are you to shipping the same default programs that ship with the base gnome install
[12:18] <amjjawad> I see
[12:18] <amjjawad> we don't ship the very same ones
[12:18] <mjayk> like icon sets themes etc
[12:18] <amjjawad> for example: Ubuntu Software Center
[12:19] <mjayk> ok so at the moment as far as i understand you ship by default ubuntu + gnome packages is that right ?
[12:19] <amjjawad> indeed
[12:19] <amjjawad> Ubuntu GNOME = Ubuntu + GNOME
[12:20] <eliasps> mjayk I think it's more simple than that. Ubuntu is the most popular Linux distribution, not counting mint because it's basically Ubuntu as well.
[12:20] <amjjawad> but that does not mean it has 100% Ubuntu and 100% GNOME
[12:20] <eliasps> 2 reasons for that: easiest installation of software than any other distro (because of availability) and a giant community of contributors
[12:21] <amjjawad> +1
[12:21] <eliasps> GNOME is the most popular desktop environment for Linux, at least it was last time I checked.
[12:21] <eliasps> A combination of those seems great to me, but that's a matter of taste also.
[12:21] <mjayk> nono i get that and completley agree with you eliasps what i mean is lets say you want to ship some extra software by default or cut software out by default is that part of the project or is the idea to follow ubuntu's and gnome's default packages as closely as possible
[12:21] <amjjawad> +1
[12:22] <amjjawad> there is no such thing as the perfect or the best system :)
[12:22] <amjjawad> it is a matter of personal opinion
[12:22] <amjjawad> mjayk, we can change the default apps if we wish
[12:22] <amjjawad> we control what we ship, somehow
[12:25] <eliasps> I get what you mean mjayk ;) I'm just expressing  my point of view. The preinstalled packages are of great importance of course, but on the other hand, installing and removing packages are 2 commands away.
[12:26] <eliasps> Bringing the GNOME Desktop as its developers intended and keeping the Ubuntu touch (not the phone os :P) is the golden ratio for me
[12:26] <eliasps> And I am all for customization. Nothing stays in its default state on my computer :P
[12:27] <eliasps> I just love the fact that you can tweak the system any way you want
[12:28] <amjjawad> mjayk, you just got approved but one of the team leaders and you just deactivated that :P
[12:28] <amjjawad> no worries, good call ;)
[12:28] <amjjawad> let's think about packaging later
[12:29] <mjayk> amjjawad: i got approved but then deactivated because the person who approved me said he wasnt ment to approve people :)
[12:29] <mjayk> i did nothing :)
[12:29] <amjjawad> no worries
[12:30] <mjayk> eliasps: I agree, and I understand that all of this has alot to do with personal preference and getting the "golden ratio" can be very difficult
[12:31] <eliasps> Yes, the golden ratio is different for each user. That's why a distribution comes in a neutral state and the user tweaks it as he wants. That was one of the first things that impressed me on linux
[12:31] <eliasps> how each desktop is so different, personalized!
[12:32] <mjayk> its one of the reasons i use it : )
[12:32] <eliasps> By the way, welcome to the teams! Contribution is always appreciated. That's what is moving the community forward.
[12:32] <eliasps> Me too
[13:53] <LinDol> hi all
[20:59] <MrChrisDruif> I just wanted to say I really like how smooth Ubuntu GNOME has been =)
[21:03] <MrChrisDruif> Just one small issue: on my laptop if I attach an external monitor it only shows an image on the attached monitor, not the one from my laptop itself.
[21:37] <mjayk> Afternoon all