[00:53] <diddledan> omg. 4 hours ago there was talk about a potential golden image for ubuntu touch?!
[01:00] <daftykins> !?
[01:00] <daftykins> like a GM 1.0?
[01:00] <diddledan> that's what it sounded like
[01:01] <diddledan> so isn't there some announcement by one of the handset partners sometime soon, also (which may be unrelated)
[01:02] <diddledan> aah, that was earlier today, and was completely unrelated - androidy news
[01:03] <daftykins> what was said news?
[01:03] <diddledan> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/11/bq-event-delivers-expecting-nothing-ubuntu-phone
[01:04] <ali1234> it's all about wearables now anyway
[01:04] <ali1234> tablets are so 2012
[01:04] <daftykins> lol
[01:05] <ali1234> remember i said this when you see everyone wearing smart watches, fitness bands, and heart rate monitoring wireless headphones next year
[01:05] <daftykins> will do!
[01:10] <ali1234> the trouble is people just aren't replacing tablets if they already own one
[01:10] <ali1234> phones are okay, because people get a new one on contract
[01:13] <daftykins> heh, mugs :D
[01:13] <daftykins> i still don't know what people use tablets for
[01:13] <ali1234> they use them for going on twitter and facebook while watching TV
[01:13] <ali1234> it's called multiscreening
[01:14] <daftykins> i told off my mum for having her nose on her phone with the TV on as well, with my gran over
[01:14] <daftykins> it was like she was acting like a teenager :P
[01:15] <ali1234> well, yes
[01:15] <ali1234> that's what people do these days, and not just teenagers
[01:15] <ali1234> basically anyone under 40 and middle class
[01:16] <daftykins> it's pretty terrible with guests though
[01:16] <daftykins> it was granny kins' 93rd!
[05:19] <mapps> hi
[05:22] <shauno> go to bed :)
[05:24] <mapps> in a bit tv time;p
[05:24] <mapps> you slept even?
[05:24] <shauno> I couldn't.  had to reset a bad pattern in time for work
[05:29] <mapps> thougt you always stay up late heh
[05:32] <shauno> nah.  it goes around in cirlces
[05:33] <shauno> like I average a 30hour day or something.  I'm not in the wrong timezone, but the wrong planet :)
[05:41] <mapps> ugh
[05:41] <mapps> 30hr s why
[05:41] <mapps> id be agitated irritable and tired heh
[07:53] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:16] <knightwise> hey everyone :)
[08:20] <MooDoo> howdy knightwise
[08:20] <knightwise> hey MooDoo , how are you doign ?
[08:22] <MooDoo> knightwise: yeah i'm great thanks, you?
[08:23] <knightwise> Doin ok  :) Working from home today and geeking out a little
[08:23] <MooDoo> knightwise: nice if you can do it :D
[08:23] <knightwise> Installing the win10 dev preview in a vm to see what it looks like
[08:23] <MooDoo> it's lovely
[08:25] <MooDoo> faster than 7, start menu which you can also add tiles to...are you downloading the iso?  as that's the latest preview.
[08:25] <knightwise> Correct . I'm booting it up in a VM now .. curious what they made of it.
[08:28] <awilkins> How long will it last?
[08:29] <knightwise> Windows 10 ?
[08:29] <awilkins> I need a WIndows VM for work (our web conferencing thing won't run on Linux)
[08:29] <awilkins> I have Windows 7 installed but not activated
[08:29] <awilkins> IN a VM
[08:30] <knightwise> I've gotten a second hand Surface Pro 1 tablet and have 8.1 on it. Surprisingly pleased with it. Using Chrome and a lot of chrome extensions together with a good terminal tool to connect to my linux servers .. its a decent machine.
[08:30] <awilkins> Just wondering if it has any activation yet.. :-)
[08:30] <MooDoo> awilkins: lasts until next april
[08:31] <awilkins> AHa
[08:31] <awilkins> Might give that a go then....
[08:31] <knightwise> I'm kinda using it as a Windows-Chrombeook-Linux_terminal mashup
[08:31] <MooDoo> then i think it's the customer preview
[08:31] <MooDoo> just be careful what you use it for as it tracks everything lol
[08:31] <awilkins> Hmm, yes
[08:31] <awilkins> Forgotten about that
[08:31] <awilkins> Probably not acceptable then
[08:32] <MooDoo> not sure they'll use it for anything but just to bear it in mind....i've been using it awhile and i like it
[08:32] <MooDoo> they will take all the tracking out for the customer preview.
[08:37] <knightwise> MooDoo have you installed it on a machine or just using the vm ?
[08:39] <MooDoo> knightwise: full install of my laptop
[08:39] <knightwise> Cool :) Bold .. but cool !
[08:40] <MooDoo> knightwise: works fine, no problems, and to be honest, what they track they track, i'm not concerned, bold?  maybe, stupid definately ;)
[08:40] <knightwise> by the looks  of it its not that bad. I wonder if i could install it on the Surface pro.. I think I would break the restore image i guess.
[08:41] <MooDoo> don't know about that
[09:15] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:15] <foobarry> o/
[09:15] <MooDoo> morning
[09:15] <diddledan> allo
[09:15] <brobostigon> mornnig
[09:29] <bashrc> morning
[09:37] <feisar> morning
[09:58] <Myrtti> bwah.
[10:00] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:05] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Cake Day! \o/
[10:05] <bigcalm> Mmmmm, cake
[10:05] <bashrc> cake day. blimey
[10:05] <bigcalm> JamesTait: you better not be lying
[10:07] <JamesTait> bigcalm, would I?
[10:07] <JamesTait> bigcalm, it's on the internet, it must be true.
[10:09] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:11] <diddledan> I WANT CAKE!
[10:14] <bigcalm> Humm. I might have to ask my wife if she fancies baking a cake this week :D
[10:14] <diplo> Or you could bigcalm ?
[10:14] <diplo> :)
[10:14] <bigcalm> diplo: hers are superior
[10:14] <diplo> hah, well you're obviously going to say that
[10:17] <bashrc> you could have a bake-off
[10:17] <diddledan> bashrc, no, you bake-off!
[10:18] <diddledan> family friendly channel!
[10:21] <MooDoo> sorry my wifes cakes are the bestest
[10:23] <JamesTait> MooDoo, it's a shame she's not taking orders. I'd have her lined up for the boys' next birthday.
[10:24]  * zmoylan-pi decides to have a slice of mcvities ginger cake with coffee in lieu of brekkie as i'm out of milk for porridge or bread for toast
[10:25] <zmoylan-pi> must get powdered milk for emergency backup supply...
[10:25] <JamesTait> No bread? Let them eat cake!
[10:26] <zmoylan-pi> ginger cake :-)
[10:26] <JamesTait> I think I heard someone said something like that once.
[10:26] <diddledan> a queen
[10:26] <diddledan> don't recall which tho
[10:26] <zmoylan-pi> her statement wasn't unreasonable as laws at the time dictated that if shops ran out of bread were required to sell any cakes they made at price of bread
[10:27] <zmoylan-pi> she just didn't realise they'd run out of bread AND cakes
[10:27] <diddledan> oh, it might be a fallacy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake
[10:30] <MooDoo> JamesTait: yeah it is :(
[10:31] <zmoylan-pi> a good story will outlast any truth
[10:34] <JamesTait> I recall something about shortbread and shortcake being the same thing, but the different name was due to a legal requirement to pay tax on anything named "bread".
[10:35] <zmoylan-pi> the great jaffacake debacle...
[10:35] <JamesTait> "Sell cakes at the price of bread" just reminded me of that.
[11:07] <dvrr> how  can i add  squid  proxy  ip address  in netgare router, i  configure squid proxy server in  LAN network it's working,  how  can i connect  wifi using squid proxy  please  guide me
[11:07] <popey> I dont think that's a setting most consumer routers expose
[11:09] <davmor2> MooDoo: no my wifes are the bestest :P
[11:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: @_
[11:09] <MooDoo> :)
[11:09] <davmor2> JamesTait: every day is cake day surely?
[11:10] <JamesTait> davmor2, so I'm right then? ;)
[11:10] <davmor2> JamesTait: also I've never seen a sad cake, or someone look sad while eating cake
[11:10] <JamesTait> davmor2, you've never seen me baking.
[11:11] <JamesTait> Although, technically, Rice Krispie cakes don't count as baking. ;)
[11:11] <davmor2> JamesTait: or cake technically :P
[11:12] <JamesTait> Pfft! Details!
[11:12] <diddledan> <3
[11:12] <diddledan> chocolate cornflake cakes are awesome, too
[11:12] <davmor2> Wifes is brandying the Christmas cakes Monday
[11:12] <JamesTait> diddledan++
[11:12] <diddledan> davmor2, more than one wife?
[11:13] <davmor2> meh wifie
[11:13] <JamesTait> davmor2, they were intended to be Minecraft dirt blocks, and everyone knows Minecraft involves cake, so it's close enough. ;)
[11:13] <davmor2> diddledan: no one is more than enough
[11:14] <davmor2> JamesTait: hahahaha
[11:14] <diddledan> I thought the cake was a lie
[11:14] <davmor2> diddledan: internet cake is a lie
[11:14] <JamesTait> diddledan, wrong game. ;)
[11:16] <davmor2> JamesTait: have you tried those microwave mug cakes those are meant to be yummy and you have kids so it might be more practical for you, I bet popey has.....for the kids obviously
[11:16] <JamesTait> davmor2, I have!
[11:16] <christel> i've tried a couple of recipes i found on the internet but i was unimpressed
[11:17] <JamesTait> davmor2, a bit rubbery, tbh, but still tastes like chocolate.
[11:17] <davmor2> hahaha
[11:18] <zmoylan-pi> -52c... we really shouldn't complain about the weather... :-) http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1126/662682-passengers-in-siberia-get-out-and-push-plane/
[11:35] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, fun
[11:36] <zmoylan-pi> and a good retort for when they ask why you look tired after the journey, it's not like you actually did the flying...
[11:45] <mjayk> Anybody from around the  Manchester area idle here
[12:25] <Azelphur> does anyone know what the deal is VAT wise if I jump on a plane to America, buy a laptop, and then bring it back?
[12:25] <diddledan> Azelphur, you're supposed to declare it at customs
[12:25] <Azelphur> I see, and then you get charged 20%?
[12:26] <diddledan> you get changed import duty, not vat
[12:26] <Azelphur> ah fun
[12:27] <diddledan> http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/customs/tax-and-duty.htm
[12:27] <willcooke> 2.5% for goods up to £630
[12:28] <willcooke> the reality is that they don't check though
[12:28] <Azelphur> I see
[12:28] <Azelphur> so just put it in backpack and don't look suspicious
[12:29] <willcooke> I've heard that if you check away the boxes etc while you're away it is much less obvious
[12:29] <willcooke> *chuck
[12:29] <popey> yeah
[12:29] <zmoylan-pi> so a t-shirt that says 'innocent traveller' on it in 5-6 languages then? :-)
[12:29] <popey> and receipts
[12:29] <willcooke> maybe try whistling too
[12:29] <popey> I was stopped when I came back from SFO once.
[12:29] <diddledan> willcooke, To work out the percentage, each type of product is given a 'commodity code'. This tells you what the Customs Duty rate percentage is for that particular product, based on whether it's being imported or exported.
[12:29] <diddledan> There are around 14,000 different classifications. The duty rate percentage for each may vary according to the country the goods come from. The average percentage is between 5% and 9%, but it can be as low as 0% or as high as 85%.
[12:29] <popey> don't walk like you have something up your bum
[12:29] <Azelphur> popey: were you over the duty free limit?
[12:29] <popey> i was
[12:30] <Azelphur> what did they do? XD
[12:30] <popey> he asked me questions
[12:30] <popey> didnt look in the bag
[12:30] <Azelphur> I see
[12:30] <willcooke> 2000 B&H and a case of whiskey?
[12:30] <popey> just stopped to ask what I had
[12:30] <Azelphur> popey: so you just said nothing? XD
[12:30] <popey> no, because that's lying.
[12:30] <Azelphur> true
[12:30] <popey> and I'm not about to lie to a border guy while on his turf
[12:30] <Azelphur> probably just say "My laptop"
[12:30] <popey> I said this..
[12:31]  * popey types into paste to make it easier
[12:32] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9249229/
[12:32] <popey> I believe line 10 is the magic incantation ㋛
[12:32] <Azelphur> haha
[12:33] <popey> I actually flew out with no clothes, just what I had on my back, my laptop and some undies.
[12:33] <popey> bought everything out there.
[12:33] <popey> big empty suitcase
[12:33] <Azelphur> amusingly I am planning on getting a bunch of hard drives and shipping them back to UK too
[12:33] <Azelphur> so maybe I'll put them in the laptop box xD
[12:33] <popey> back then clothes were stupidly cheap though
[12:34] <willcooke> are they that much cheaper over there?
[12:34] <Azelphur> then I still have my box if I need it
[12:34] <willcooke> HDDs that is
[12:34] <Azelphur> willcooke: they should be come black friday.
[12:34] <popey> they do black friday over here now too in some places
[12:34] <popey> e.g. amazon
[12:34] <Azelphur> yea, but nowhere near the same level
[12:34] <popey> yeah
[12:34] <willcooke> plus there is the warranty situation, which may or may not be an issue
[12:34] <Azelphur> sounds like I've gotta buy my laptop from USA since pcspecialist screwed me :(
[12:34] <zmoylan-pi> and your taste in acceptable clothing was somewhat loser? :-)
[12:35] <popey> most hard disks have global lifetime warranty
[12:35] <Azelphur> willcooke: can always just ship it back to USA before sending it back to the manufacturer.
[12:35] <popey> reminds me, thanks Azelphur . i want to get a couple of disks for my steam boxes
[12:35] <popey> losing out on the money you saved
[12:35] <willcooke> Azelphur, sounds like a PITA to me :)
[12:35] <popey> yeah
[12:35] <Azelphur> popey: if you spy any HDDs let me know, I imagine me and a few friends are going to be clubbing together.
[12:35] <popey> for the small amount of beans saved.
[12:35] <popey> I'm thinking of getting a couple of 4TB ones
[12:36] <popey> so dunno if they will discount much
[12:36] <Azelphur> so if you see anything from USA, you're welcome to join our "pool" :P
[12:36] <popey> coolio
[12:36] <popey> lemme know when/if you do. I may well join you.
[12:36] <Azelphur> I imagine we'll ship them all over in one box and split the shipping / customs fees if there are any
[12:36] <popey> want to make a steam box for the lounge
[12:36] <Azelphur> and then reship them once they get to me in UK
[12:36] <Azelphur> probably the cheapest approach
[12:38] <Azelphur> I have like 5 people who want HDDs now, I have a feeling there's gonna be a lot of HDDs in my house >.<
[12:39] <zmoylan-pi> offer to run a nas?
[12:39] <Azelphur> haha
[12:40] <popey> tempted to buy a few 4TBs and replace the 2TBs in my btrfs array
[12:40] <popey> reduce the number of drives down and make some space for future
[12:40] <Azelphur> I've had a 3TB and a 1TB fail, so I need to replace those and get some more space.
[12:52] <popey> grrr speaking of disks
[12:52] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9249450/
[12:53] <Azelphur> :<
[13:04] <foobarry> popey: i wonder if u have too many disks attached?
[13:06] <popey> how can I have too many, no such thing ☻
[13:07] <foobarry> how many do u have attached...?
[13:07]  * zmoylan-pi hands popey 128 usb drives and waits to see them all plugged into one pc :-)
[13:08] <foobarry> do i eat the carrot cake or an apple for afters?
[13:08] <popey> 12
[13:08] <popey> 4 internal, 8 external
[13:08] <foobarry> *splutter)
[13:08] <foobarry> are they chained?
[13:09] <foobarry> or a star formation, each connected to a controller
[13:09] <popey> uh
[13:09] <popey> 4 per controller
[13:10] <foobarry> i bet the ones at the end of the chain are complainng?
[13:10] <popey> end of the chain?
[13:10] <popey> its not like 10Base2
[13:11] <foobarry> well...
[13:11] <foobarry> ah ok, they aren't chained
[13:16] <Jim_> Could anyone help me how I should go to zorion chat session rooms?
[13:19] <Jimsmith> Could anyone help me how I should go to zorion chat session rooms?
[13:21] <Jimsmith> Hello anybody there?
[13:21] <diddledan> err
[13:21] <diddledan> this is a channel about ubuntu
[13:21] <diddledan> we have no idea what "zorion chat session rooms" are
[13:22] <Jimsmith> Oh. Could you please help me how I should go there? I am new to this environment actually.
[13:23] <Jimsmith> I am working on zorion os from ubuntu. How should I get its support?
[13:23] <zmoylan-pi> http://zorin-os.com/faq.html
[13:25] <Jimsmith> Thanks and do you know how I should autostart skype from the ubuntu. Infact I am looking for that.
[13:25] <m0nkey_> Easy, add it to start-up applications
[13:26] <foobarry> has anyone ever bothered with? http://www.youronlinechoices.com/uk/your-ad-choices
[13:26] <foobarry> If you don’t want Facebook or other companies to collect or use information based on your activity on websites, devices or apps off Facebook for the purpose of showing you ads, you can opt out from all participating companies through the Digital Advertising Alliance in the USA, the Digital Advertising Alliance of Canada in Canada or the European Interactive Digital Advertising Alliance in Europe. You can also opt out using your mobile device settings.
[13:27] <m0nkey_> Jimsmith, http://i.imgur.com/Fy9GXw3.png
[13:27] <diddledan> that zorin website makes me uneasy
[13:27] <Jimsmith> What I meant was when I start the system its not starting automatically. I should go for it and open it inorder to start. Any have I am new to this ubuntu and have no idea where how I should do it. Could you please help me in that for some time
[13:28] <m0nkey_> Jimsmith, open 'Startup applications' .. add a new entry for Skype .. see screenshot
[13:28] <Jimsmith> Thanks and let me look at it.
[13:31] <popey> m0nkey_: why's that?
[13:31] <m0nkey_> ?
[13:31] <popey> m0nkey_: sorry, I meant diddledan
[13:32] <popey> Jimsmith: out of interest, how did you fund us here? Did you search for something in particular, or follow a guide to find this chat room?
[13:32]  * m0nkey_ tickles diddledan 
[13:32] <popey> *find - not fund ☻
[13:32] <foobarry> the zorin website has http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ZorinOS&uio=OT10cnVlJjExPTIxNQ6c
[13:33] <foobarry> under help->irc
[13:33] <Jimsmith> Thats perfect foobarry. Thanks for the info.
[13:33] <Jimsmith> popey. I saw this running in my brother system and shown interest on this.
[13:35] <Jimsmith> I went to the software downloader in this system and downloaded the IRC application. The moment I gave all my details it brought me to here popey.
[13:35] <popey> Jimsmith: great, thanks!
[13:36] <popey> do you know which application ?
[13:36] <Jimsmith> Y W
[13:36] <popey> is it xchat or hexchat by any chance?
[13:36] <Jimsmith> Just had a glance at it. Its Xchat Gnome. popey.
[13:37] <popey> Magic, thanks.
[13:37] <Jimsmith> So, I could get back here if I face problems with the ubuntu right? popey?
[13:37] <popey> yes
[13:37] <popey> However...
[13:37] <popey> :D
[13:38] <Jimsmith> Thats a great option in ubuntu.
[13:38] <popey> If you're running Zorin OS then technically you're not running Ubuntu, but an Ubuntu derivative.
[13:38] <popey> However we welcome everyone really.
[13:38] <popey> Secondly the "official" support channel for Ubuntu is #ubuntu - you're currently in #ubuntu-uk
[13:38] <popey> But again, we get a fair number of people come by here for support.
[13:38] <mapps> hi all
[13:38] <popey> It's generally not a problem. I just want to set expectations.
[13:38] <m0nkey_> I'm here for the S&G
[13:39] <popey> me too!
[13:39] <popey> I love both S and G
[13:39] <Jimsmith> Nice. Actually I want to autostart the Skype. Do you have any knowledge of hot actually I should go in Zorion OS
[13:39] <popey> Jimsmith: in short, yeah, come back any time ☻ have fun with Ubuntu or whatever you're using.
[13:39] <davmor2> popey: Sarcasm and Goading?
[13:39] <popey> yes davmor2
[13:40] <m0nkey_> Even us Debian loving, FreeBSD using kind are allowed here :) lol
[13:40] <popey> Jimsmith: well, as Zorin OS is a _bit_ different from Ubuntu and I suspect nobody here (other than you) runs it, we might not be the _best_ place to get support on it.
[13:40] <popey> Many of us can make guesses as to how to do stuff in Zorin, but it's not the most efficient way to get support
[13:40] <Jimsmith> Oh. thats pathetic.
[13:41] <popey> Well, if you want to a Zorin IRC channel I expect most/all will run Zorin ☻
[13:41] <popey> Same as if you went to a Windows channel ㋛
[13:41] <popey> (although I think many in the ##windows channel actually run Linux :D
[13:41] <zmoylan-pi> something to do while windows installs sp after sp :-)
[13:41] <popey> heh
[13:42] <Jimsmith> Do you have any knowledge of how I should go to the Zorion channel. from here?  Or do I need to download any application here that takes me to Zorion environment.
[13:42] <popey> Jimsmith: but yeah, we're generally a friendly bunch here.
[13:42] <zmoylan-pi> win8 been unusable while patches were installed is bizarre
[13:42] <popey> type /join #zorinos
[13:42] <popey> that'll  "join" the #zorinos channel
[13:42] <popey> irc is a bit arcane
[13:42] <popey> there's probably a gui option in xchat gnome which does it, but I haven't used that for years.
[13:43] <popey> sorry ☻
[13:43] <m0nkey_> Think it's Server > Join a channel
[13:43] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: spreading a bit too much inaccuracy there i'm afraid :P
[13:43] <Jimsmith> Thanks popey you have been very helpful.
[13:43] <popey> No problem.
[13:44] <Azelphur> popey: http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Expansion-Desktop-External-STBV5000100/dp/B00JT0EGPW/ref=sr_1_7?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1417009327&sr=1-7 o.O
[13:44] <Azelphur> that's £107
[13:44] <popey> 5!
[13:44] <popey> holy cow
[13:44] <Azelphur> my thoughts exactly
[13:46] <daftykins> oh my, a 250GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD is coming up on amazon's deals at 3:40pm
[13:46] <Azelphur> daftykins: indeed, I'm watching that.
[13:47] <zmoylan-pi> the last drive i had die was seagate so they're still high on my naughty list.  in a year or so one of the wd drives i have will die and take their place
[13:47] <Azelphur> popey: not sure if I should buy that or wait...
[13:47] <daftykins> all brands die equally
[13:47] <foobarry> maxtor more than most
[13:47] <daftykins> you should all call me the reaper, for the many dead disks i spot in #ubuntu ;)
[13:47] <zmoylan-pi> true but i tend to avoid the last brand that died for me in case their is a fault in the current design
[13:48] <daftykins> foobarry: true, but they haven't been around for a looooong time :)
[13:48] <Azelphur> daftykins: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/blog-fail-drives-manufacture.jpg nope
[13:48] <daftykins> that doesn't really disprove sir
[13:49] <daftykins> i mostly buy by warranty length, of which seagate don't have a good one anyway :)
[13:49] <Azelphur> yea they don't, I actually had the 3TB version of that drive fail on me
[13:51] <daftykins> this SanDisk flash drive that plugs into phones as well as PCs is an odd duck!
[13:51] <daftykins> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00HR7J3CA/
[13:52] <daftykins> ok i have a host restart anywho
[13:52] <daftykins> \o
[13:52] <zmoylan-pi> i have one of those usb drives, haven't got a phone or tablet it will work with yet though
[13:53] <zmoylan-pi> though if i had it with me on saturday a friend could have copied a tonne of stuff from and to it with his shiny new phone i reckon
[14:43] <daftykins> wow, QNAP 2 bay NAS for £130 off
[14:46] <ujjain> what would be the best things to learn for devops these day carreer wise? probably ansible, docker, something?
[14:50] <intrbiz> ujjain: I've used Puppet it the past, been using Ansible more recently and much prefer Ansible over Puppet
[14:50] <ujjain> Puppet seems to be not the future yeah
[14:50] <ujjain> http://ryandlane.com/blog/2014/08/04/moving-away-from-puppet-saltstack-or-ansible/
[14:51] <ujjain> ansible extremely gaining popularity
[14:51] <intrbiz> ujjain: Ansible doesn't require an agent installed on the server, runs over SSH
[14:51] <intrbiz> A friend has been using SaltStack and reccomends that, but I've not tried it
[14:54] <intrbiz> I'd like Ansible even more if it didn't use YAML
[14:55] <ujjain> I think none requires an agent/server combination. It's nice that it runs over SSH yeah.
[14:55] <ujjain> I have tried both, but both limited experience, mostly used Puppet, it's ok, but always good to work on your skillset.
[14:56] <intrbiz> yeh, that is the winner for me, runs over SSH and worst case just need python-json installing on older servers
[14:56] <ujjain> ah yeah, Puppet has some more dependencies, different ports if you dont run masterless etc, that's true
[14:56] <intrbiz> I prefer Ansibles imperitative approach rather than the declaritaive nature of Puppet
[14:58] <ujjain> Yeah, I agree that it seems to work well, I want to deploy Openstack with Ansible, seems tricky, but following documentation https://github.com/openstack-ansible/openstack-ansible might be able.
[14:58] <ujjain> Sometimes I dontlike that in Puppet either no
[15:18] <intrbiz> anyone had any luck with ufw and multiple interfaces?
[15:33]  * daftykins glances at Azelphur then back at the Samsung SSD on Amazon ;)
[15:33] <Azelphur> daftykins: I'm watching the timer :P
[15:33] <daftykins> =]
[15:33] <daftykins> Azelphur: i nearly got that QNAP NAS but i figured it was a waste, £135 for a 2 bay diskless
[15:34] <Azelphur> daftykins: screw that, watch out for HP Microserver deals
[15:34] <Azelphur> they come up all the time, and they are awesome
[15:34] <daftykins> heh, well it wouldn't be for me
[15:34] <Azelphur> officially 4 drives, but you can cram 6+ into it
[15:34] <Azelphur> why not?
[15:34] <daftykins> because https://www.dropbox.com/s/7upq3eh9eqv718t/IMG_20140518_195643.jpg?dl=0
[15:35] <Azelphur> hehe nice
[15:35] <daftykins> :D
[15:35] <daftykins> old array at the top, 6x 1TB, new at the bottom 6 x 2TB
[15:35] <zmoylan-pi> toasty warm that pc
[15:35] <daftykins> nope not even vaguely
[15:35] <daftykins> !
[15:35] <daftykins> 23 deg HDDs ;)
[15:36] <zmoylan-pi> i wonder if like a gyroscope could you balance it on a single point with all that spinning... :-)
[15:37] <diplo> If anyone sees any cheap 2 or 4tb disks for my micro server shout :)
[15:37] <diplo> I have a failing one
[15:37] <daftykins> will do
[15:37] <diplo> Blimey daftykins, power usage on that thing must be enormous!!! :P
[15:37] <daftykins> nah it's really good
[15:38] <daftykins> i actually dropped power going from 6 x 1TB to 6 x 2TB
[15:38] <daftykins> that PC is based on a core 2 duo nowadays with 4GB RAM only sadly
[15:39] <daftykins> SSD for the OS, 2TB download disk and the 10TB RAID5... 85W consumed idle
[15:39] <daftykins> Azelphur: omg omg omg!
[15:39] <Azelphur> 20 SECONDS xD
[15:39] <zmoylan-pi> me calculates that in amount of rasp pi you could run :-)
[15:40] <daftykins> Azelphur: oh what, £3 off?
[15:40] <Azelphur> yea, that was disappointing.
[15:40] <daftykins> £72.99 delivered here
[15:40] <daftykins> what do you have?
[15:40] <Azelphur> same
[15:40] <Azelphur> which is £17.01 off
[15:41] <daftykins> oh so i'm not even getting any tax benefit 0o
[15:41] <daftykins> how does that work O_O
[15:41] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: a whole lot of little toys :P
[15:42] <Azelphur> daftykins: it's an ok deal anyway, I'm tempted
[15:42] <Azelphur> dunno if I should wait to see what else comes up though
[15:42] <daftykins> do you not have VAT listed on that though 0o
[15:43] <Azelphur> daftykins: huh? I can't get VAT back?
[15:43] <daftykins> sec
[15:43] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/92ojhckzl85kb41/ssd.JPG?dl=0
[15:43] <daftykins> this is what i'm seeing
[15:45] <Azelphur> daftykins: yup that's what I'm seeing too, £72.99 total.
[15:45] <daftykins> O_O doesn't yours have VAT though? :D
[15:45] <daftykins> i am le confused
[15:46] <daftykins> i think they're stiffing us on the tax
[15:46]  * Azelphur shrugs
[15:47] <zmoylan-pi> well if they stiff the uk government...
[15:47] <daftykins> a Crucial MX100 256GB is arguably better for being non-TLC, plus is £71.99 delivered
[15:47] <ali1234> it's slower though
[15:47] <daftykins> not appreciably
[15:47] <ali1234> slower than 512GB model
[15:48] <daftykins> yeah, ~350MB/sec write vs. 500
[15:48] <daftykins> but TLC in the Samsung EVO is just...
[15:48] <ali1234> yeah MX100 is the best as far as i can see
[15:48] <daftykins> i think i'd best skip on that deal too, then
[15:48] <ali1234> but you need the 512GB because it uses wider NAND
[15:49] <daftykins> if i'm not even getting it cheaper than you in England =|
[15:49] <daftykins> yeah, i have a very detailed knowledge of how SSDs work
[15:49] <daftykins> i already own the 512GB :>
[15:54] <Azelphur> ali1234: here's a fun question since you know lots about USB
[15:54] <Azelphur> I've seen android tablets start to use Linux USB-gadget stuff to emulate a USB drive and stuff
[15:54] <Azelphur> what's the possibility of emulating a USB3 monitor?
[15:55] <ali1234> it's easy
[15:56] <Azelphur> ali1234: sweet, so I should be sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for someone to do this.
[15:56] <Azelphur> because it would be the greatest thing since sliced bread.
[15:56] <ali1234> well you need a phone with USB3 first
[15:57] <ali1234> and gadget support
[15:57] <ali1234> i don't think this exists
[15:57] <ali1234> unless you use a custom kernel
[15:58] <Azelphur> ali1234: gadget support exists, I'm using it
[15:58] <Azelphur> on my Nexus 7 running stock Android
[15:58] <ali1234> how do you know?
[15:58] <Azelphur> because when I plug the device in the BIOS reports it as "Linux USB-Gadget"
[15:58] <ali1234> gadget isn't the same as gadget-fs
[15:58] <Azelphur> oh
[15:58] <Azelphur> :<
[15:59] <ali1234> android uses an in-kernel driver that does everything
[15:59] <ali1234> https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/common/+/2b9b0b6a95cb7adbdd4fa03bff2c7dec86852aa0/drivers/usb/gadget/android.c
[16:01] <ali1234> if you find the spec for USB monitors i can write a program that emulates one
[16:01] <ali1234> but it won't work on a stock android
[16:02] <ali1234> also i don't have time to actually do it
[16:03] <Azelphur> haha
[16:03] <Azelphur> ali1234: if you did it you could sell it on google play for £5 a pop and be a millionaire
[16:03] <dexter__> Hey guys, I have come across this problem too many times now, and I'm, guessing it's down to my stupidity. I have a tendancy to come across situations that require me to either install or update some sort of gstreamer. This usually always breaks my system in some way. In this instance Openshot and Cinelerra won't export audio, and the default videos application in gnome and upon crashes with everything. I have no clue what to do save for re-installing t
[16:03] <dexter__> he operating system.
[16:04] <ali1234> yeah but as i said it won't work on stock android... i've asked android developers about this before
[16:04] <ali1234> apart from anything else it would be a security nightmare to give apks access to gadget-fs
[16:04] <Azelphur> ali1234: well drivedroid uses gadgetfs in an app, but it requires root
[16:04] <ali1234> you could make some torch app that also emulates a keyboard and takes over your computer
[16:05] <Azelphur> I'd imagine the same setup for a display
[16:05] <ali1234> dexter__: gstreamer is bad :(
[16:06] <ali1234> whether or not audio export works depends on what codec output you select. i know for a fact it does work for some of them
[16:06] <ali1234> so what you do is export from openshot in a format that works, and then convert that to your target format using good software, like ffmpeg/avconv
[16:07] <dexter__> I wanted to try out VAAPI encoding to see if I could finally ditch windoze, Hm, I have a wav backing track in Kdenlive and it plays in preview mode, hoever, when it comes to rendering no audio is detected
[16:07] <ali1234> VAAPI is some crazy hardware thing, not surprised it doesn't work
[16:08] <ali1234> but same advice applies, export to an intermediate format then use better (not gstreamer) software for the final encode
[16:09] <dexter__> VAAPI works assuming you install all of the gstreamer stuff, but since doing that my system is a mess
[16:09] <dexter__> I'm guessing gstreamer has something to do with the audio issues I'm having
[16:09] <ali1234> yes, it will be. gstreamer is used everywhere from playing mp3s through to video conferencing
[16:09] <ali1234> and there are multiple different incompatible versions
[16:10] <dexter__> infact, I'm 100% sure
[16:10] <ali1234> there is 0.1 and there is 1.0, which is nice and confusing for everyone
[16:10] <ali1234> it is a filter-graph based library, like directshow for windows
[16:10] <dexter__> hm, shall I find out which I'm using? my system is 14.10
[16:11] <ali1234> you are almost certainly using both, because any given software is only compatible with one version or the other
[16:11] <dexter__> I need to get rid of it, as VAAPI was apalling video wise anyway
[16:11] <ali1234> heh
[16:12] <ali1234> so what did you do?
[16:12] <ali1234> did you follow some tutorial? if so, show me
[16:12] <dexter__> I did
[16:12] <dexter__> I'm trying to find it :D
[16:14] <dexter__> gstreamer1.0-vaapi was installed
[16:15] <ali1234> can you just link to whatever instructions you followed please?
[16:17] <Azelphur> ali1234: bonus question, what's the probability of a 5TB hard drive working in a humax set-top box?
[16:17] <Azelphur> I'm guessing 0? XD
[16:17] <ali1234> Azelphur: afaik humax boxes only work with certified drives
[16:18] <Azelphur> ah, that's a bit crap
[16:18] <Azelphur> thanks for the warning.
[16:21] <dexter__> I kind find the guide
[16:21] <dexter__> "can't"
[16:22] <dexter__> I guess a re-install is in order. and I need to stop messing with stuff I have very little understanding of
[16:59] <mapps> yo
[16:59] <mapps> got 5 hours of nothing at work tonght so taking my nexus7:D
[17:01] <Azelphur> Hmm, going abroad on the 2nd is http://www.amazon.co.uk/Briggs-Riley-Suitcase-Transcend-TU229SPX-12/dp/B007ECE558 worth getting?
[17:01] <Azelphur> for checke baggage
[17:03] <mapps> kets see
[17:04] <Azelphur> got like 11 minutes to ponder the idea :P
[17:04] <Azelphur> think for checked baggage it's better to get a hard case?
[17:04] <mapps> ive got a hard case and a soft case
[17:04] <mapps> i think thats fine
[17:05] <Azelphur> also wondering if its worth getting or just buying something from Tesco cheap
[17:05] <mapps> i dont think so..i paid about same for a case from argos
[17:05] <mapps> tesco had ones for 20-25
[17:05] <mapps> but id imagine less sturdy..will breal/fall apart quicker
[17:05] <Azelphur> I see
[17:06] <mapps> not worth risking it..cmy friend had a cheap case break on him
[17:06] <Azelphur> mapps: I mean, comparing it to say http://www.thesportshq.com/swiss-case-4-wheel-2pc-hard-suitcase-set-black.aspx?affiliate=cse_google&utm_source=google&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=shopping&gclid=CLrVld7gmMICFakKwwodLm4AYA
[17:06] <hazrpg> anyone setup a localhost mailbox before? I'm having a bit of trouble trying to get a mail client to read them (although maybe I configured it wrong?) could someone help?
[17:06] <mapps> not recently hazrpg
[17:06] <mapps> sec Azelphur
[17:07] <diddledan> so amazon gave us a scare at 3 this afternoon - they came back up just in time for our site to be accessed by a shedload of journos
[17:07] <zmoylan-pi> try and find luggage that doesn't use a zip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf-DGKUNffI
[17:08] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: I'm aware, the old physical access trumps all is usually the case
[17:09] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: if you have any specific recommendations, show me :)
[17:09] <zmoylan-pi> unfortunately not but it's something to bear in mind when looking in case you do
[17:09] <mapps> not sure Azelphur  ?i think the first was fine
[17:11] <Azelphur> yea, 2nd is £30 cheaper though and comes with a carry on too :P
[17:13] <Azelphur> meh whatever, I'll take it
[17:14] <mapps> :)
[17:15] <hazrpg> mapps: fair enough
[17:21] <Azelphur> there we go, bought it.
[17:21] <Azelphur> had £25 of amazon credit floating about too.
[17:22]  * zmoylan-pi wonders if amazon will deliver suitcase in cardboard box or will the fact it's an item made to travel and protect contents will a plastic bag suffice...
[17:24] <bigcalm> svvs123!
[17:24] <bigcalm> Fudge
[17:24] <daftykins> bigcalm: that's a fine password ;)
[17:24] <bigcalm> Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to find out what system that password is for :D
[17:24] <zmoylan-pi> if a little short
[17:24] <bashrc> ubuntu one?
[17:25] <bigcalm> It wasn't one I chose
[17:25]  * bigcalm goes back to working in the correct window
[17:27] <mapps> zmoylan-pi, cardboard for surew;p
[19:20] <daftykins> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00D8BGLMY/
[19:20] <daftykins> £22 paid of "500Mb" powerline adapters
[19:20] <daftykins> *pair
[20:32] <zmoylan-pi> well selling them singly would make for fun tech support calls
[20:32] <zmoylan-pi> :-)
[20:33] <daftykins> they actually do!
[20:34] <zmoylan-pi> 'i bought one of your powerline adapters and i can't get internet' ... sound of head banging desk...
[20:35] <daftykins> sadly i imagine that's all too common
[20:37]  * zmoylan-pi has worked tech support and still twitches when phone rings...
[20:38] <daftykins> :D
[20:39] <zmoylan-pi> my personal best was diagnosing a printer fault and taking 30+ minutes to establish they had no printer... which makes the answers to is the printer on? does the printer have paper? is the cable connecing printer ok? wonder what they were answering
[20:47] <daftykins> :D
[20:47] <daftykins> that's obscene
[20:48] <daftykins> a client had his home and his office... separate routers at each, of course
[20:48] <daftykins> got a call one day, weeks after he had taken the PC home to give up renting the office space
 where do i put this router?
[21:01] <diddledan> we're expecting a large load of potentially more than 5 thousand requests per second on one of our sites starting from 9:30 tomorrow morning
[21:01] <daftykins> O_O
[21:02] <daftykins> going live? or some kind of event causing load?
[21:02] <diddledan> major press release tomorrow
[21:03] <diddledan> we've built an entirely new set of functionality for the delivery of the information that the press release will be announcing
[21:03] <zmoylan-pi> handing out leaflets? :-P
[21:04] <diddledan> hehe
[21:05]  * zmoylan-pi remebers for first trade show printing 200 leaflets. on dot matrix printer.  we handed out about 10
[21:06] <zmoylan-pi> do you know how long it takes to print 200 'high quality' leaflets on dot matrix printer?  about 2 of your sanitys :-/
[21:07] <diddledan> was it the kind that went "blurp blurp" or "blurp boooooooo"
[21:07] <diddledan> i.e. did it print both directions or just one?
[21:07] <zmoylan-pi> more the zeeeeeekzzzzkzkkkzzzkzkzkzzzzzkkkzzkzkzkzkzkzzkzkkzkkzkzkzzkkzzkzkkzzzzzzzzzzzzzeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee type
[21:07] <zmoylan-pi> dogs for miles howling at their leader
[21:08] <diddledan> on high quality my old one went "blurp. blurp. booo" where it had to stop half way across the line to cache more data
[21:08] <zmoylan-pi> just one.  had to drag it out slow in 'high quality' mode
[21:09] <zmoylan-pi> each page fed in individually as page feed for traction paper feed was terrible
[21:38] <mjayk> Afternoon all
[21:40] <Ricey> evening
[21:40] <daftykins> hi