cmaloneyI'm not sure what it is either.00:21
greg-gman, phabricator makes being a quasi-product manager a fun adventure game :)00:23
brousch_finally a hackable Linux tablet! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2019641820/raspitab-the-first-tablet-with-raspberry-pi-inside13:27
brousch_800x480 :(13:27
mrgoodcatwell the rpi probably can't drive a super hi-def display13:28
brousch_It has hdmi out that powers 1080p13:29
brousch_Many people use it for XBMC13:29
mrgoodcati was thinking more with the touch interactions and the inherently graphic interfaces of touch devices13:29
mrgoodcatalso, price is something to look out for. its a kickstarter not exactly samsung13:31
mrgoodcatmight not have access to great displays at an affordable price13:31
mrgoodcatkind of expensive...13:33
brousch_Linux is doooomed. Android will rule the client13:36
mrgoodcatnot necessarily true13:37
jrwrenbut it soooo expensive.14:22
jrwreni'd rather fund a kickstarter for rooting and getting cyanogen mod on cheap $60 tabs14:23
rick_h_$60? Can barely get a good keyboard for that, and thats a BT mobile one14:23
jrwrenI think it was.14:24
brousch_The screens on cheap tablets are crap. Unusable for more than 10 minutes14:25
mrgoodcatget the cyanogenmod phone14:26
jrwrenhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834686016  it was $54.99 when I bought it.14:27
jrwrenits garbage laregly because android 4.1 is garbage.14:27
cmaloneyNice. Apparently even if you delete your account (as I thought I had with the MUG account) you still get the NFL Twitter message14:34
cmaloneyjrwren: I'm still on Android 4.1. :)14:35
cmaloneyAh, I thought I'd deleted it.14:36
* rick_h_ keeps hitting software update on his phone to get 5.014:39
rick_h_tablets are updated and I'm wishing for consistancy14:39
jrwrencmaloney: zomg, how can you stand it? It is honestly the most infuriating user experience I've ever had.14:40
jrwrenWindows 8, is better. (I mean 8, not 8.1)14:40
rick_h_lol, jrwren that's because you're not on 4.0 :P14:40
rick_h_honeycomb I think was 4.0 and that was the release that shall not be named any more14:41
jrwrenyeah, so glad I never used 4.014:41
cmaloneyjrwren: You also must've not used 2.4 and saw 4.x as a blessing14:50
cmaloney3.x was Honeycomb14:50
cmaloneyI'm on 4.1.2 on my phone14:51
cmaloneyAll of the other devices are Nexus (Tablet, JoDee's phone)14:51
brousch_I'm not impressed with 5 on my Nexus 1014:51
cmaloneyand likely my next device will be NotSamsungNotSprintCrapwareEnabled14:52
cmaloneybrousch_: I'm surprised they let the 10 have 514:52
jrwrenbrousch_: 5 is out?14:52
cmaloneyjrwren: Out for a week iirc14:52
brousch_Android 5 is available for the Nexus 10, and 7 I think14:52
jrwrenah, brand new. cool!14:53
cmaloneyI haven't received the upgrade to 5 on my Nexus 7 201214:53
brousch_Maybe not 2012. That is old14:53
cmaloneyI heard rumors it might get 514:53
cmaloneyI'm not concerned either wy.14:53
jrwrenmy phone is from Oct 2011 :p14:54
cmaloneyMine is from whenever I started using Ting14:56
cmaloneyI've actually replaced the battery once.14:56
rick_h_brousch_: yea, on the N10 :/ but my N10 is having issues as well14:58
rick_h_but at least the buttons are in the same place between them14:58
rick_h_and I can finally cast my device screen to my chromecase14:58
rick_h_I'm liking it in the N914:58
rick_h_actually picked up this MS BT keyboard holder thing and sitting at starbucks using it as my computer atm to try it out14:59
rick_h_gotta love MS for the hardware once in a while :)14:59
cmaloneyMS makes pretty nice hardware15:02
cmaloneyStill think the Natural Keyboard is from hell though.15:03
rick_h_I just wish they made it with real switches these days. Oh well15:05
rick_h_the kenisis will do for now.15:05
cmaloneyyeah, I like having all of my keys in one spot on the desk, thank you. :)15:05
brousch_The surface Pro 3 fixed the Surface Pro 2 keyboard15:07
brousch_Still slim and switchless, of course, but at least it has some travel now15:08
rick_h_yea, this MS thing is surprisingly good for a mini-keyboard as far as feel goes15:08
mrgoodcatrick_h_ liking a MS thing?15:09
mrgoodcatstop the presses15:09
brousch_If the surface pro 3 didn't cost $2000 I would replace my tablet and computer with it15:11
cmaloneymrgoodcat: We don't play the "MS is crap" game most of the time15:13
cmaloneyat least not with hardware. :)15:13
brousch_Windows 8.1 is good with touch15:13
cmaloneywe appreciate and hate all hardware equally15:13
* brousch_ flees15:13
mrgoodcati see software hate is still in full swing though15:14
mrgoodcatone of my work computers is windows 7 and most of the time I don't want to push needles into my eyes15:15
mrgoodcatsometimes though....15:15
brousch_Heh, I use win7 all day at work15:17
mrgoodcati have 2 computers on my desk15:18
brousch_It's not bad VirtuaWin for multiple workspaces15:18
mrgoodcatso i can use linux most of the time. but windows for certain things15:18
brousch_I used to do that, mostly because our old computers were so damn slow. The new ones are fast, high res, and multi-monitor15:19
brousch_Actually getting a 4k screen to test next week15:20
mrgoodcatwell i suppose that's something. mine are both pretty quick15:20
mrgoodcatmy winders machine is a dell latitude E744015:20
mrgoodcat< 3 months old15:20
brousch_We have Lenovo Thinkcentre  M92Z all-in-ones15:23
brousch_Core i5, 24" touchscreen15:23
mrgoodcati want leap motion15:26
mrgoodcatwith windows 8.115:26
mrgoodcattouch goodness without stupid fingerprint smudging15:26
jrwrenbrousch_: http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Aspire-SW5-012-16AA-Detachable-Touchscreen/dp/B00NGK98GS/ref=sr_1_6?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1417016316&sr=1-6&keywords=acer+laptop15:38
jrwrencheap surface 3 knock off :)15:38
brousch_the problem is it is my only computer, so I really need 512GB of storage15:39
jrwrenif it is your only computer then $2000 is a good price point.15:40
brousch_And 8GB RAM for android dev and virtual machines15:40
jrwrenor, go apple and spend the $2000 on the best mac book air you can buy and an ipad and use 2 devices :p15:40
brousch_Hard to justify when my current laptop and tablets are acceptible15:40
brousch_The airs have crappy resolution15:41
brousch_Also only 256GB storage15:42
brousch_I would go with the macbook pro retina15:42
jrwrenmy air has 512GB storage.15:44
jrwrenit has suboptimal resolution, true, but i trade that for it being WAY lighter and smaller than an MBP, which I value more.15:45
mrgoodcatidk my gf's mbp isn't exactly big15:47
mrgoodcatand the retina display is nice15:47
rick_h_jrwren: or get the 13" xps 13 which is air-like, better keyboard, much better display, and more linux friendly15:48
brousch_A dell?!15:48
rick_h_yea, :(15:48
cmaloneybrousch_: Lenovo messed up the THinkpad enough to make rick_h_ run away15:49
rick_h_since lenovo took 5 years to kill thinkpads15:49
rick_h_but kill them they did15:49
greg-gthe x230 is still way better than the xps, imho15:49
rick_h_greg-g: I used mine with my son the other day and I did like/miss parts of it15:49
rick_h_greg-g: but that display and thinner body is too much to give up15:49
jrwrenrick_h_: but... but... apple!  :]15:51
rick_h_jrwren: but but but...sucks. I'm so mad at my air15:51
jrwrenrick_h_: really?  why mad?15:51
brousch_The Lenovo Yoga Pro 3 is also nice, but about the same price15:51
rick_h_because the screen sucks, the keyboard sucks, the performance sucks, the lack of linux support for things like their stupid pcie camera sucks15:52
rick_h_maybe if I'd gone for the 13" air I'd hate it less15:52
rick_h_but damn I hate this little 11" one15:52
jrwrenoh linux.15:53
rick_h_yea, sorry but OSX is fail and I can go on and on about that crap15:53
jrwrenoh yeah, 11" is too small. My wife loves hers. I had one for 6mo or so and felt it too small.15:53
brousch_Years of experimentation showed me that 12" is the smallest I like for a laptop15:53
* rick_h_ still hasn't updated to yosemite because he's afraid he'll rage quit computing once all that crap lands15:53
cmaloneyrick_h_: I'd like to think one OS upgrade wouldn't have you rage-quit all of computing15:54
cmaloneybut I'm not going to take that bet.15:54
rick_h_cmaloney: have you seen the reports about yosemite? I love it. All the mac loving folks on the team having issues with blurry fonts, non working devices, stupid toy looking UI15:54
cmaloneyrick_h_: Yeah, I think there's serious issues in Cupertino15:55
cmaloneySadly I think they're going to go through several CEOs before they realize what they should have done is put Steve Jobs into cryogenic storage.15:55
cmaloneyand revive him once a quarter.15:55
jrwrenI LOVE yosemite.15:57
jrwrenbeing able to answer my phone on my laptop is awesome.15:57
cmaloneyGoogle Voice15:57
rick_h_jrwren: uh huh, yea been doing that for a while now15:57
jrwrenand safari in yosemite is rather nice.15:57
rick_h_and it works :P15:57
jrwrenrick_h_: yeah? awesome!15:57
mrgoodcatyea. gvoice and chrome15:58
jrwrenother than that, yosemite is a nothing change.15:58
jrwrengvoice, you need a gvoice phone number, right?15:58
rick_h_I hear it's a minus change15:58
mrgoodcats/other\ than\ that//15:58
rick_h_jrwren: you need an apple phone right?15:58
jrwrenrick_h_: yes.15:58
cmaloneyjrwren: Of course you need a gvoice number. :)15:58
mrgoodcatwhich is free15:58
mrgoodcatand easy to obtain15:58
jrwrenso... someone has to call you on the right phone number.15:58
rick_h_jrwren: my only phone number15:58
rick_h_and I can use any phone I want15:58
cmaloneyjrwren: As opposed to your Apple phone which only gets called by the Paparazzi?15:59
brousch_I felt sorry for the friend who upgraded to yosemite then took 15 minutes to connect to the projector that caused no problems for 2 years15:59
jrwrenmy only phone number too.15:59
jrwrenya'll be crazy.15:59
mrgoodcatthe number of people who have my gvoice phone number vastly outweighs the number of people who have my "real" phone number15:59
rick_h_jrwren: and you be blindly not seeing the chains on the other end as well15:59
brousch_Yes. 2 people have my real number: my wife and my dad15:59
cmaloneyyeah, I give out my gvoice number to everyone15:59
jrwrenrick_h_: what chains? google gives all your data to NSA. Apple doesn't :p15:59
cmaloneyfew folks get the home number, and fewer still get the mobile number15:59
rick_h_jrwren: yea, apple just lets the NSA hack it out manually16:00
rick_h_jrwren: "oops, sorry missed that loophole/firewall"16:00
mrgoodcatjrwren: you're deluding yourself if you think the NSA doesn't have access16:00
jrwrenrick_h_: fortunatley there is no evidence of that.16:00
cmaloneyjrwren: goto. ;)16:01
rick_h_jrwren: what?! seriously16:02
mrgoodcatyosemite was a worthless upgrade. my gf got super butthurt about it breaking all her things16:04
mrgoodcatapps crashing now and wifi works like 60% of the time16:04
jrwrenthat has not been my experience.16:14
_stink_yeah the one mac guy i know hates yosemite for the same reason.17:32
mrgoodcatoh she doesn't hate yosemite18:25
mrgoodcatit just doesn't work18:25
mrgoodcatshe's a full blown apple person18:25
mrgoodcatwifi not working is better because it helps her creative flow or some other bs18:25
greg-g"This sucks! Everything broke! Oh, I still love it, how could I not?! It's so sexy and expensive and such a great status symbol I can show off."18:33
greg-g(not saying that's your gf, that's just me being crotchety)18:33
cmaloneygreg-g: Well, to be fair Mac folks have generally had it good18:52
jrwreni've no idea what broke.18:56
jrwreneverything working here.18:56

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