[00:21] I'm not sure what it is either. [00:23] man, phabricator makes being a quasi-product manager a fun adventure game :) [13:27] finally a hackable Linux tablet! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2019641820/raspitab-the-first-tablet-with-raspberry-pi-inside [13:27] 800x480 :( [13:28] well the rpi probably can't drive a super hi-def display [13:29] It has hdmi out that powers 1080p [13:29] Many people use it for XBMC [13:29] i was thinking more with the touch interactions and the inherently graphic interfaces of touch devices [13:31] also, price is something to look out for. its a kickstarter not exactly samsung [13:31] might not have access to great displays at an affordable price [13:33] kind of expensive... [13:35] yeah [13:36] Linux is doooomed. Android will rule the client [13:37] not necessarily true [14:20] http://www.techrepublic.com/article/system76-sable-touch-the-state-of-touch-support-in-linux/ [14:22] but it soooo expensive. [14:23] i'd rather fund a kickstarter for rooting and getting cyanogen mod on cheap $60 tabs [14:23] morning [14:23] $60? Can barely get a good keyboard for that, and thats a BT mobile one [14:24] I think it was. [14:25] The screens on cheap tablets are crap. Unusable for more than 10 minutes [14:26] get the cyanogenmod phone [14:26] https://cyngn.com/products/oneplusone/ [14:27] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834686016 it was $54.99 when I bought it. [14:27] its garbage laregly because android 4.1 is garbage. [14:34] Nice. Apparently even if you delete your account (as I thought I had with the MUG account) you still get the NFL Twitter message [14:35] jrwren: I'm still on Android 4.1. :) [14:36] Ah, I thought I'd deleted it. [14:38] rectified [14:39] * rick_h_ keeps hitting software update on his phone to get 5.0 [14:39] tablets are updated and I'm wishing for consistancy [14:40] cmaloney: zomg, how can you stand it? It is honestly the most infuriating user experience I've ever had. [14:40] Windows 8, is better. (I mean 8, not 8.1) [14:40] lol, jrwren that's because you're not on 4.0 :P [14:41] honeycomb I think was 4.0 and that was the release that shall not be named any more [14:41] yeah, so glad I never used 4.0 [14:50] jrwren: You also must've not used 2.4 and saw 4.x as a blessing [14:50] 3.x was Honeycomb [14:51] I'm on 4.1.2 on my phone [14:51] All of the other devices are Nexus (Tablet, JoDee's phone) [14:51] I'm not impressed with 5 on my Nexus 10 [14:52] and likely my next device will be NotSamsungNotSprintCrapwareEnabled [14:52] brousch_: I'm surprised they let the 10 have 5 [14:52] brousch_: 5 is out? [14:52] jrwren: Out for a week iirc [14:52] Android 5 is available for the Nexus 10, and 7 I think [14:53] ah, brand new. cool! [14:53] I haven't received the upgrade to 5 on my Nexus 7 2012 [14:53] Maybe not 2012. That is old [14:53] ANCIENT [14:53] I heard rumors it might get 5 [14:53] I'm not concerned either wy. [14:53] way [14:54] my phone is from Oct 2011 :p [14:56] Mine is from whenever I started using Ting [14:56] I've actually replaced the battery once. [14:58] brousch_: yea, on the N10 :/ but my N10 is having issues as well [14:58] but at least the buttons are in the same place between them [14:58] and I can finally cast my device screen to my chromecase [14:58] chromecast [14:58] I'm liking it in the N9 [14:59] actually picked up this MS BT keyboard holder thing and sitting at starbucks using it as my computer atm to try it out [14:59] gotta love MS for the hardware once in a while :) [15:02] MS makes pretty nice hardware [15:03] Still think the Natural Keyboard is from hell though. [15:04] lol [15:05] I just wish they made it with real switches these days. Oh well [15:05] the kenisis will do for now. [15:05] yeah, I like having all of my keys in one spot on the desk, thank you. :) [15:05] lol [15:07] The surface Pro 3 fixed the Surface Pro 2 keyboard [15:08] Still slim and switchless, of course, but at least it has some travel now [15:08] yea, this MS thing is surprisingly good for a mini-keyboard as far as feel goes [15:09] rick_h_ liking a MS thing? [15:09] stop the presses [15:11] If the surface pro 3 didn't cost $2000 I would replace my tablet and computer with it [15:13] mrgoodcat: We don't play the "MS is crap" game most of the time [15:13] at least not with hardware. :) [15:13] Windows 8.1 is good with touch [15:13] we appreciate and hate all hardware equally [15:13] * brousch_ flees [15:13] brousch_: INTO THE FLAMES OF PERDITION WITH YOU! [15:13] HEEEEAAAATHEN! [15:14] i see software hate is still in full swing though [15:15] one of my work computers is windows 7 and most of the time I don't want to push needles into my eyes [15:15] sometimes though.... [15:17] Heh, I use win7 all day at work [15:18] i have 2 computers on my desk [15:18] It's not bad VirtuaWin for multiple workspaces [15:18] so i can use linux most of the time. but windows for certain things [15:19] I used to do that, mostly because our old computers were so damn slow. The new ones are fast, high res, and multi-monitor [15:20] Actually getting a 4k screen to test next week [15:20] well i suppose that's something. mine are both pretty quick [15:20] my winders machine is a dell latitude E7440 [15:20] < 3 months old [15:23] We have Lenovo Thinkcentre M92Z all-in-ones [15:23] Core i5, 24" touchscreen [15:26] i want leap motion [15:26] with windows 8.1 [15:26] touch goodness without stupid fingerprint smudging [15:38] brousch_: http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Aspire-SW5-012-16AA-Detachable-Touchscreen/dp/B00NGK98GS/ref=sr_1_6?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1417016316&sr=1-6&keywords=acer+laptop [15:38] cheap surface 3 knock off :) [15:39] the problem is it is my only computer, so I really need 512GB of storage [15:40] if it is your only computer then $2000 is a good price point. [15:40] And 8GB RAM for android dev and virtual machines [15:40] or, go apple and spend the $2000 on the best mac book air you can buy and an ipad and use 2 devices :p [15:40] Hard to justify when my current laptop and tablets are acceptible [15:41] The airs have crappy resolution [15:42] Also only 256GB storage [15:42] I would go with the macbook pro retina [15:44] my air has 512GB storage. [15:45] it has suboptimal resolution, true, but i trade that for it being WAY lighter and smaller than an MBP, which I value more. [15:47] idk my gf's mbp isn't exactly big [15:47] and the retina display is nice [15:48] jrwren: or get the 13" xps 13 which is air-like, better keyboard, much better display, and more linux friendly [15:48] A dell?! [15:48] yea, :( [15:49] brousch_: Lenovo messed up the THinkpad enough to make rick_h_ run away [15:49] since lenovo took 5 years to kill thinkpads [15:49] but kill them they did [15:49] the x230 is still way better than the xps, imho [15:49] greg-g: I used mine with my son the other day and I did like/miss parts of it [15:49] greg-g: but that display and thinner body is too much to give up [15:51] rick_h_: but... but... apple! :] [15:51] jrwren: but but but...sucks. I'm so mad at my air [15:51] rick_h_: really? why mad? [15:51] The Lenovo Yoga Pro 3 is also nice, but about the same price [15:52] because the screen sucks, the keyboard sucks, the performance sucks, the lack of linux support for things like their stupid pcie camera sucks [15:52] maybe if I'd gone for the 13" air I'd hate it less [15:52] but damn I hate this little 11" one [15:53] oh linux. [15:53] yea, sorry but OSX is fail and I can go on and on about that crap [15:53] oh yeah, 11" is too small. My wife loves hers. I had one for 6mo or so and felt it too small. [15:53] Years of experimentation showed me that 12" is the smallest I like for a laptop [15:53] * rick_h_ still hasn't updated to yosemite because he's afraid he'll rage quit computing once all that crap lands [15:54] rick_h_: I'd like to think one OS upgrade wouldn't have you rage-quit all of computing [15:54] but I'm not going to take that bet. [15:54] cmaloney: have you seen the reports about yosemite? I love it. All the mac loving folks on the team having issues with blurry fonts, non working devices, stupid toy looking UI [15:54] :) [15:55] rick_h_: Yeah, I think there's serious issues in Cupertino [15:55] Sadly I think they're going to go through several CEOs before they realize what they should have done is put Steve Jobs into cryogenic storage. [15:55] and revive him once a quarter. [15:57] I LOVE yosemite. [15:57] being able to answer my phone on my laptop is awesome. [15:57] Google Voice [15:57] jrwren: uh huh, yea been doing that for a while now [15:57] and safari in yosemite is rather nice. [15:57] Chrome [15:57] and it works :P [15:57] rick_h_: yeah? awesome! [15:58] Hangouts. [15:58] yea. gvoice and chrome [15:58] other than that, yosemite is a nothing change. [15:58] gvoice, you need a gvoice phone number, right? [15:58] I hear it's a minus change [15:58] s/other\ than\ that// [15:58] jrwren: you need an apple phone right? [15:58] rick_h_: yes. [15:58] :P [15:58] jrwren: Of course you need a gvoice number. :) [15:58] which is free [15:58] and easy to obtain [15:58] so... someone has to call you on the right phone number. [15:58] jrwren: my only phone number [15:58] and I can use any phone I want [15:59] jrwren: As opposed to your Apple phone which only gets called by the Paparazzi? [15:59] I felt sorry for the friend who upgraded to yosemite then took 15 minutes to connect to the projector that caused no problems for 2 years [15:59] my only phone number too. [15:59] ya'll be crazy. [15:59] the number of people who have my gvoice phone number vastly outweighs the number of people who have my "real" phone number [15:59] jrwren: and you be blindly not seeing the chains on the other end as well [15:59] Yes. 2 people have my real number: my wife and my dad [15:59] yeah, I give out my gvoice number to everyone [15:59] rick_h_: what chains? google gives all your data to NSA. Apple doesn't :p [15:59] few folks get the home number, and fewer still get the mobile number [16:00] jrwren: yea, apple just lets the NSA hack it out manually [16:00] jrwren: "oops, sorry missed that loophole/firewall" [16:00] jrwren: you're deluding yourself if you think the NSA doesn't have access [16:00] rick_h_: fortunatley there is no evidence of that. [16:01] jrwren: goto. ;) [16:02] jrwren: what?! seriously [16:03] seriously. [16:04] yosemite was a worthless upgrade. my gf got super butthurt about it breaking all her things [16:04] apps crashing now and wifi works like 60% of the time [16:14] that has not been my experience. [17:32] <_stink_> yeah the one mac guy i know hates yosemite for the same reason. [18:25] oh she doesn't hate yosemite [18:25] it just doesn't work [18:25] she's a full blown apple person [18:25] wifi not working is better because it helps her creative flow or some other bs [18:26] <_stink_> haha [18:33] "This sucks! Everything broke! Oh, I still love it, how could I not?! It's so sexy and expensive and such a great status symbol I can show off." [18:33] (not saying that's your gf, that's just me being crotchety) [18:52] greg-g: Well, to be fair Mac folks have generally had it good [18:56] i've no idea what broke. [18:56] everything working here.