[00:21] <cmaloney> I'm not sure what it is either.
[00:23] <greg-g> man, phabricator makes being a quasi-product manager a fun adventure game :)
[13:27] <brousch_> finally a hackable Linux tablet! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2019641820/raspitab-the-first-tablet-with-raspberry-pi-inside
[13:27] <brousch_> 800x480 :(
[13:28] <mrgoodcat> well the rpi probably can't drive a super hi-def display
[13:29] <brousch_> It has hdmi out that powers 1080p
[13:29] <brousch_> Many people use it for XBMC
[13:29] <mrgoodcat> i was thinking more with the touch interactions and the inherently graphic interfaces of touch devices
[13:31] <mrgoodcat> also, price is something to look out for. its a kickstarter not exactly samsung
[13:31] <mrgoodcat> might not have access to great displays at an affordable price
[13:33] <mrgoodcat> kind of expensive...
[13:35] <brousch_> yeah
[13:36] <brousch_> Linux is doooomed. Android will rule the client
[13:37] <mrgoodcat> not necessarily true
[14:20] <brousch_> http://www.techrepublic.com/article/system76-sable-touch-the-state-of-touch-support-in-linux/
[14:22] <jrwren> but it soooo expensive.
[14:23] <jrwren> i'd rather fund a kickstarter for rooting and getting cyanogen mod on cheap $60 tabs
[14:23] <rick_h_> morning
[14:23] <rick_h_> $60? Can barely get a good keyboard for that, and thats a BT mobile one
[14:24] <jrwren> I think it was.
[14:25] <brousch_> The screens on cheap tablets are crap. Unusable for more than 10 minutes
[14:26] <mrgoodcat> get the cyanogenmod phone
[14:26] <mrgoodcat> https://cyngn.com/products/oneplusone/
[14:27] <jrwren> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834686016  it was $54.99 when I bought it.
[14:27] <jrwren> its garbage laregly because android 4.1 is garbage.
[14:34] <cmaloney> Nice. Apparently even if you delete your account (as I thought I had with the MUG account) you still get the NFL Twitter message
[14:35] <cmaloney> jrwren: I'm still on Android 4.1. :)
[14:36] <cmaloney> Ah, I thought I'd deleted it.
[14:38] <cmaloney> rectified
[14:39]  * rick_h_ keeps hitting software update on his phone to get 5.0
[14:39] <rick_h_> tablets are updated and I'm wishing for consistancy
[14:40] <jrwren> cmaloney: zomg, how can you stand it? It is honestly the most infuriating user experience I've ever had.
[14:40] <jrwren> Windows 8, is better. (I mean 8, not 8.1)
[14:40] <rick_h_> lol, jrwren that's because you're not on 4.0 :P
[14:41] <rick_h_> honeycomb I think was 4.0 and that was the release that shall not be named any more
[14:41] <jrwren> yeah, so glad I never used 4.0
[14:50] <cmaloney> jrwren: You also must've not used 2.4 and saw 4.x as a blessing
[14:50] <cmaloney> 3.x was Honeycomb
[14:51] <cmaloney> I'm on 4.1.2 on my phone
[14:51] <cmaloney> All of the other devices are Nexus (Tablet, JoDee's phone)
[14:51] <brousch_> I'm not impressed with 5 on my Nexus 10
[14:52] <cmaloney> and likely my next device will be NotSamsungNotSprintCrapwareEnabled
[14:52] <cmaloney> brousch_: I'm surprised they let the 10 have 5
[14:52] <jrwren> brousch_: 5 is out?
[14:52] <cmaloney> jrwren: Out for a week iirc
[14:52] <brousch_> Android 5 is available for the Nexus 10, and 7 I think
[14:53] <jrwren> ah, brand new. cool!
[14:53] <cmaloney> I haven't received the upgrade to 5 on my Nexus 7 2012
[14:53] <brousch_> Maybe not 2012. That is old
[14:53] <brousch_> ANCIENT
[14:53] <cmaloney> I heard rumors it might get 5
[14:53] <cmaloney> I'm not concerned either wy.
[14:53] <cmaloney> way
[14:54] <jrwren> my phone is from Oct 2011 :p
[14:56] <cmaloney> Mine is from whenever I started using Ting
[14:56] <cmaloney> I've actually replaced the battery once.
[14:58] <rick_h_> brousch_: yea, on the N10 :/ but my N10 is having issues as well
[14:58] <rick_h_> but at least the buttons are in the same place between them
[14:58] <rick_h_> and I can finally cast my device screen to my chromecase
[14:58] <rick_h_> chromecast
[14:58] <rick_h_> I'm liking it in the N9
[14:59] <rick_h_> actually picked up this MS BT keyboard holder thing and sitting at starbucks using it as my computer atm to try it out
[14:59] <rick_h_> gotta love MS for the hardware once in a while :)
[15:02] <cmaloney> MS makes pretty nice hardware
[15:03] <cmaloney> Still think the Natural Keyboard is from hell though.
[15:04] <rick_h_> lol
[15:05] <rick_h_> I just wish they made it with real switches these days. Oh well
[15:05] <rick_h_> the kenisis will do for now.
[15:05] <cmaloney> yeah, I like having all of my keys in one spot on the desk, thank you. :)
[15:05] <rick_h_> lol
[15:07] <brousch_> The surface Pro 3 fixed the Surface Pro 2 keyboard
[15:08] <brousch_> Still slim and switchless, of course, but at least it has some travel now
[15:08] <rick_h_> yea, this MS thing is surprisingly good for a mini-keyboard as far as feel goes
[15:09] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_ liking a MS thing?
[15:09] <mrgoodcat> stop the presses
[15:11] <brousch_> If the surface pro 3 didn't cost $2000 I would replace my tablet and computer with it
[15:13] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: We don't play the "MS is crap" game most of the time
[15:13] <cmaloney> at least not with hardware. :)
[15:13] <brousch_> Windows 8.1 is good with touch
[15:13] <cmaloney> we appreciate and hate all hardware equally
[15:13]  * brousch_ flees
[15:13] <cmaloney> brousch_: INTO THE FLAMES OF PERDITION WITH YOU!
[15:13] <cmaloney> HEEEEAAAATHEN!
[15:14] <mrgoodcat> i see software hate is still in full swing though
[15:15] <mrgoodcat> one of my work computers is windows 7 and most of the time I don't want to push needles into my eyes
[15:15] <mrgoodcat> sometimes though....
[15:17] <brousch_> Heh, I use win7 all day at work
[15:18] <mrgoodcat> i have 2 computers on my desk
[15:18] <brousch_> It's not bad VirtuaWin for multiple workspaces
[15:18] <mrgoodcat> so i can use linux most of the time. but windows for certain things
[15:19] <brousch_> I used to do that, mostly because our old computers were so damn slow. The new ones are fast, high res, and multi-monitor
[15:20] <brousch_> Actually getting a 4k screen to test next week
[15:20] <mrgoodcat> well i suppose that's something. mine are both pretty quick
[15:20] <mrgoodcat> my winders machine is a dell latitude E7440
[15:20] <mrgoodcat> < 3 months old
[15:23] <brousch_> We have Lenovo Thinkcentre  M92Z all-in-ones
[15:23] <brousch_> Core i5, 24" touchscreen
[15:26] <mrgoodcat> i want leap motion
[15:26] <mrgoodcat> with windows 8.1
[15:26] <mrgoodcat> touch goodness without stupid fingerprint smudging
[15:38] <jrwren> brousch_: http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Aspire-SW5-012-16AA-Detachable-Touchscreen/dp/B00NGK98GS/ref=sr_1_6?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1417016316&sr=1-6&keywords=acer+laptop
[15:38] <jrwren> cheap surface 3 knock off :)
[15:39] <brousch_> the problem is it is my only computer, so I really need 512GB of storage
[15:40] <jrwren> if it is your only computer then $2000 is a good price point.
[15:40] <brousch_> And 8GB RAM for android dev and virtual machines
[15:40] <jrwren> or, go apple and spend the $2000 on the best mac book air you can buy and an ipad and use 2 devices :p
[15:40] <brousch_> Hard to justify when my current laptop and tablets are acceptible
[15:41] <brousch_> The airs have crappy resolution
[15:42] <brousch_> Also only 256GB storage
[15:42] <brousch_> I would go with the macbook pro retina
[15:44] <jrwren> my air has 512GB storage.
[15:45] <jrwren> it has suboptimal resolution, true, but i trade that for it being WAY lighter and smaller than an MBP, which I value more.
[15:47] <mrgoodcat> idk my gf's mbp isn't exactly big
[15:47] <mrgoodcat> and the retina display is nice
[15:48] <rick_h_> jrwren: or get the 13" xps 13 which is air-like, better keyboard, much better display, and more linux friendly
[15:48] <brousch_> A dell?!
[15:48] <rick_h_> yea, :(
[15:49] <cmaloney> brousch_: Lenovo messed up the THinkpad enough to make rick_h_ run away
[15:49] <rick_h_> since lenovo took 5 years to kill thinkpads
[15:49] <rick_h_> but kill them they did
[15:49] <greg-g> the x230 is still way better than the xps, imho
[15:49] <rick_h_> greg-g: I used mine with my son the other day and I did like/miss parts of it
[15:49] <rick_h_> greg-g: but that display and thinner body is too much to give up
[15:51] <jrwren> rick_h_: but... but... apple!  :]
[15:51] <rick_h_> jrwren: but but but...sucks. I'm so mad at my air
[15:51] <jrwren> rick_h_: really?  why mad?
[15:51] <brousch_> The Lenovo Yoga Pro 3 is also nice, but about the same price
[15:52] <rick_h_> because the screen sucks, the keyboard sucks, the performance sucks, the lack of linux support for things like their stupid pcie camera sucks
[15:52] <rick_h_> maybe if I'd gone for the 13" air I'd hate it less
[15:52] <rick_h_> but damn I hate this little 11" one
[15:53] <jrwren> oh linux.
[15:53] <rick_h_> yea, sorry but OSX is fail and I can go on and on about that crap
[15:53] <jrwren> oh yeah, 11" is too small. My wife loves hers. I had one for 6mo or so and felt it too small.
[15:53] <brousch_> Years of experimentation showed me that 12" is the smallest I like for a laptop
[15:53]  * rick_h_ still hasn't updated to yosemite because he's afraid he'll rage quit computing once all that crap lands
[15:54] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I'd like to think one OS upgrade wouldn't have you rage-quit all of computing
[15:54] <cmaloney> but I'm not going to take that bet.
[15:54] <rick_h_> cmaloney: have you seen the reports about yosemite? I love it. All the mac loving folks on the team having issues with blurry fonts, non working devices, stupid toy looking UI
[15:54] <greg-g> :)
[15:55] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Yeah, I think there's serious issues in Cupertino
[15:55] <cmaloney> Sadly I think they're going to go through several CEOs before they realize what they should have done is put Steve Jobs into cryogenic storage.
[15:55] <cmaloney> and revive him once a quarter.
[15:57] <jrwren> I LOVE yosemite.
[15:57] <jrwren> being able to answer my phone on my laptop is awesome.
[15:57] <cmaloney> Google Voice
[15:57] <rick_h_> jrwren: uh huh, yea been doing that for a while now
[15:57] <jrwren> and safari in yosemite is rather nice.
[15:57] <cmaloney> Chrome
[15:57] <rick_h_> and it works :P
[15:57] <jrwren> rick_h_: yeah? awesome!
[15:58] <cmaloney> Hangouts.
[15:58] <mrgoodcat> yea. gvoice and chrome
[15:58] <jrwren> other than that, yosemite is a nothing change.
[15:58] <jrwren> gvoice, you need a gvoice phone number, right?
[15:58] <rick_h_> I hear it's a minus change
[15:58] <mrgoodcat> s/other\ than\ that//
[15:58] <rick_h_> jrwren: you need an apple phone right?
[15:58] <jrwren> rick_h_: yes.
[15:58] <rick_h_> :P
[15:58] <cmaloney> jrwren: Of course you need a gvoice number. :)
[15:58] <mrgoodcat> which is free
[15:58] <mrgoodcat> and easy to obtain
[15:58] <jrwren> so... someone has to call you on the right phone number.
[15:58] <rick_h_> jrwren: my only phone number
[15:58] <rick_h_> and I can use any phone I want
[15:59] <cmaloney> jrwren: As opposed to your Apple phone which only gets called by the Paparazzi?
[15:59] <brousch_> I felt sorry for the friend who upgraded to yosemite then took 15 minutes to connect to the projector that caused no problems for 2 years
[15:59] <jrwren> my only phone number too.
[15:59] <jrwren> ya'll be crazy.
[15:59] <mrgoodcat> the number of people who have my gvoice phone number vastly outweighs the number of people who have my "real" phone number
[15:59] <rick_h_> jrwren: and you be blindly not seeing the chains on the other end as well
[15:59] <brousch_> Yes. 2 people have my real number: my wife and my dad
[15:59] <cmaloney> yeah, I give out my gvoice number to everyone
[15:59] <jrwren> rick_h_: what chains? google gives all your data to NSA. Apple doesn't :p
[15:59] <cmaloney> few folks get the home number, and fewer still get the mobile number
[16:00] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, apple just lets the NSA hack it out manually
[16:00] <rick_h_> jrwren: "oops, sorry missed that loophole/firewall"
[16:00] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: you're deluding yourself if you think the NSA doesn't have access
[16:00] <jrwren> rick_h_: fortunatley there is no evidence of that.
[16:01] <cmaloney> jrwren: goto. ;)
[16:02] <rick_h_> jrwren: what?! seriously
[16:03] <jrwren> seriously.
[16:04] <mrgoodcat> yosemite was a worthless upgrade. my gf got super butthurt about it breaking all her things
[16:04] <mrgoodcat> apps crashing now and wifi works like 60% of the time
[16:14] <jrwren> that has not been my experience.
[17:32] <_stink_> yeah the one mac guy i know hates yosemite for the same reason.
[18:25] <mrgoodcat> oh she doesn't hate yosemite
[18:25] <mrgoodcat> it just doesn't work
[18:25] <mrgoodcat> she's a full blown apple person
[18:25] <mrgoodcat> wifi not working is better because it helps her creative flow or some other bs
[18:26] <_stink_> haha
[18:33] <greg-g> "This sucks! Everything broke! Oh, I still love it, how could I not?! It's so sexy and expensive and such a great status symbol I can show off."
[18:33] <greg-g> (not saying that's your gf, that's just me being crotchety)
[18:52] <cmaloney> greg-g: Well, to be fair Mac folks have generally had it good
[18:56] <jrwren> i've no idea what broke.
[18:56] <jrwren> everything working here.