| knome | pleia2, you near a printer now and have five minutes or so? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| ochosi | mhm | 00:00 |
| ochosi | ali1234: btw, panel-switch just saved the day once again ;) | 00:04 |
| knome | or anybody else have a printer and 5 mins? :) | 00:05 |
| * slickymaster have the time but not the printer | 00:06 | |
| knome | then you are useless :) | 00:07 |
| knome | sorry! | 00:07 |
| * slickymaster is unmotivated, again :( | 00:07 | |
| knome | lol | 00:07 |
| * sidi-valencia pets slickymaster | 00:10 | |
| sidi-valencia | there, there | 00:10 |
| * slickymaster thanks sidi-valencia | 00:10 | |
| slickymaster | lol, I wonder how come the XPL hasn't yet put a end in all this pointless chats' | 00:12 |
| ochosi | luckily i have better things to do than play irc-police at 1am | 00:13 |
| slickymaster | :) | 00:13 |
| Unit193 | slickymaster: Shush! | 00:14 |
| * slickymaster hides | 00:15 | |
| sidi-valencia | brainwash, it's got nothing to do with you | 00:15 |
| brainwash | it? I don't understand without any backlog | 00:17 |
| knome | brainwash, that was the joke. | 00:17 |
| sidi-valencia | slickymaster hiding | 00:17 |
| sidi-valencia | not your fault | 00:17 |
| slickymaster | :) | 00:17 |
| sidi-valencia | also, what knome did before | 00:17 |
| sidi-valencia | don't blame yourself, really | 00:18 |
| slickymaster | tbh it was Unit193's fault, brainwash | 00:18 |
| sidi-valencia | yeah i reckon | 00:19 |
| * sidi-valencia shuts up. | 00:19 | |
| knome | so anybody has a printer? :P | 00:21 |
| slickymaster | what a team knome | 00:22 |
| knome | yeah, way to go! | 00:22 |
| Unit193 | knome: For? | 00:22 |
| knome | Unit193, flyer printout test | 00:22 |
| sidi-valencia | knome, let me take a night bus to uni for you | 00:23 |
| sidi-valencia | oops | 00:23 |
| knome | sidi-valencia, haha | 00:23 |
| brainwash | knome: the fix for bug 1310264 will be backported to trusty, but I thought that we cannot allow such a change after final release | 00:26 |
| ubottu | bug 1310264 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu Trusty) "Can't search/find items in the Settings Manager" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1310264 | 00:26 |
| brainwash | altering the UI I mean | 00:26 |
| knome | can always if there's paperwork done and sru team approves | 00:26 |
| brainwash | oh ok, I'm glad that some user cared about it and made it possible | 00:27 |
| knome | that's good | 00:29 |
| jjfrv8 | knome, still want a printer? | 00:31 |
| knome | jjfrv8, yep! | 00:32 |
| slickymaster | hey jjfrv8 | 00:32 |
| jjfrv8 | howdy, slickymaster | 00:32 |
| knome | jjfrv8, please pastebin me your 'lpoptions -l' | 00:32 |
| jjfrv8 | lpoptions -l | 00:32 |
| jjfrv8 | whoops | 00:33 |
| skellat | http://paste.ubuntu.com/9241340/ | 00:33 |
| skellat | Though I do have cups-pdf as my default | 00:33 |
| knome | skellat, you can do lpoptions -d DEVICE -l | 00:33 |
| knome | ok, jjfrv8 Unit193 and skellat, next thing: | 00:34 |
| sidi-valencia | knome, Xub only or should i try to ssh to uni? | 00:34 |
| knome | if you don't know your printers machine name, check it with 'lpstat -a' | 00:34 |
| knome | sidi-valencia, any unix system does, but you'll have to be able to look at the printed stuf | 00:34 |
| knome | *stuff too | 00:34 |
| sidi-valencia | ah nvm | 00:34 |
| knome | yeah :) | 00:34 |
| skellat | knome: For my actual printer -- http://paste.ubuntu.com/9241350/ | 00:35 |
| knome | skellat, interesting, you have .FB modes, Unit193 doesn't | 00:35 |
| skellat | HP-Officejet-Pro-8100 | 00:35 |
| knome | so once you know the printer name | 00:35 |
| knome | http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/.flyer/ | 00:35 |
| knome | grab a file from there | 00:35 |
| knome | naturally, pick the one that matches your paper size | 00:36 |
| knome | after that, run: | 00:36 |
| knome | lp -d [device-name] -o fit-to-page -P 1 [filename] | 00:36 |
| knome | then, the hardest part of this excersize: | 00:37 |
| knome | fold the flyer in three. | 00:37 |
| knome | after you've folded it, see if the pages look like they align with the folds | 00:37 |
| knome | specifically, see if the "page" on the right hand side has a big right margin, or the "page" that is on the left hand side has a big left margin | 00:38 |
| knome | ideally, all the "pages" should align to the middle of each fold | 00:38 |
| knome | and i'm here for questions :) | 00:39 |
| * skellat goes to find somebody else in the house to try folding this **correctly** | 00:39 | |
| knome | :D | 00:40 |
| sidi-valencia | can i dump feedback that comes to mind on content? and if so can i be told more about the targets? | 00:40 |
| knome | if you can fold it even nearly as it should, it should be obvious if the alignment is ok | 00:40 |
| knome | sidi-valencia, i facepalm very hard at you, but you can send feedback on the content to me | 00:41 |
| sidi-valencia | knome, <3 | 00:41 |
| sidi-valencia | knome, i find it funny to advertise a settings manager, im wondering, what would people find "cool" to do on a computer and among the cool features which do you guys provide? w/ *buntu you surely have a number of nice and exclusive assets | 00:42 |
| skellat | knome: Big right margin on both print attempts | 00:42 |
| knome | skellat, ok, let's try this: | 00:42 |
| sidi-valencia | but well you speak about terminals so i guess it's targeted to linuxians :-) | 00:42 |
| knome | in the lp command, after the other option, add: -o Media=Letter.FB | 00:43 |
| knome | jjfrv8, you need assistance? :) | 00:44 |
| skellat | knome: And that version looks correct and folds correctly | 00:44 |
| knome | great. | 00:44 |
| knome | thanks | 00:44 |
| knome | i'm still interested of more results.. | 00:44 |
| knome | but it is weird that the printer requires the .FB mode even if we're not REALLY printing so close to the edges that it'd need it | 00:46 |
| jjfrv8 | knome, http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/flyer46.php | 00:47 |
| knome | huh. yeah, that's off | 00:47 |
| knome | jjfrv8, did you have .FB modes in lpoptions -l ? | 00:48 |
| knome | if you do, please try with one | 00:48 |
| knome | that should fix the alignment | 00:48 |
| jjfrv8 | not sure. I got a "unable to open PPD file for printername" when I ran that command | 00:48 |
| knome | hmm... | 00:48 |
| knome | with just the -l option? | 00:49 |
| jjfrv8 | ja | 00:49 |
| knome | maybe you need to specify the printer device name | 00:49 |
| knome | what does 'lpstat -a' give you? | 00:49 |
| jjfrv8 | "printername accepting requests" | 00:50 |
| knome | ok, weird | 00:50 |
| knome | just try and see what happens if you add -o Media=Letter.FB | 00:51 |
| jjfrv8 | to which command? | 00:51 |
| knome | to the lp command | 00:51 |
| jjfrv8 | keep the -o fit-to-page as well? | 00:52 |
| knome | yep | 00:52 |
| knome | that option is weird, because to me it tells that it should resize the content, but it actually preserves the original size here... go figure :) | 00:53 |
| knome | but that's how it worked for me | 00:53 |
| jjfrv8 | that spread things out. let me re-fold | 00:54 |
| knome | ooh :) | 00:54 |
| knome | Unit193, you still around? | 00:54 |
| Unit193 | There's a chance. | 00:56 |
| knome | lol | 00:57 |
| knome | then try that print | 00:57 |
| knome | you can try to cheat and add .FB even if it's not listed as supported | 00:57 |
| jjfrv8 | knome, result of second try: http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/flyer213.php | 00:58 |
| knome | looks much more like it should | 00:59 |
| knome | do the pages generally appear as aligned for you? | 00:59 |
| jjfrv8 | yeah | 00:59 |
| knome | yep | 00:59 |
| knome | thanks! | 00:59 |
| jjfrv8 | welcome | 00:59 |
| knome | i guess i'll investigate next what i'd need to do in order to support non-.FB modes.. | 00:59 |
| Unit193 | Looks a bit off center, but meh. | 01:01 |
| knome | Unit193, try adding the .FB option | 01:03 |
| knome | jjfrv8, still around and want to try one more thing? | 01:38 |
| jjfrv8 | shoot | 01:38 |
| knome | let me upload a file first | 01:38 |
| knome | http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/.flyer/ | 01:39 |
| knome | grab the "cropbox" one | 01:39 |
| knome | then try printing without the .FB argument | 01:39 |
| jjfrv8 | just a sec | 01:40 |
| jjfrv8 | printed but let me grab my implements again | 01:42 |
| knome | mhm | 01:42 |
| jjfrv8 | left and right margins look better but folds are worse, eh: http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/flyer310.php | 01:48 |
| knome | yeah... | 01:49 |
| knome | that might still be the right route | 01:49 |
| knome | thanks again | 01:49 |
| knome | i should be able to get a hold of a printer tomorrow and now i know what to play around with | 01:49 |
| knome | too bad it isn't a given that any printer can print "over" the media size | 01:50 |
| jjfrv8 | k, good luck. | 01:51 |
| knome | thanks | 01:51 |
| knome | we'll get this out before the end of the year! | 01:51 |
| jjfrv8 | :) | 01:51 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: And, read the patch pilot report, https://code.launchpad.net/~brunonova/ubuntu/trusty/xubuntu-default-settings/lp1310264/+merge/238935 (FWIW, there's another xubu mention: https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/vivid/xfce4-xkb-plugin/lp-733563/+merge/239668) | 01:54 |
| Unit193 | Full report: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-November/038543.html | 01:54 |
| knome | nighty! --> | 02:15 |
| pleia2 | knome: sorry, will have some time on wednesday | 02:44 |
| Unit193 | pleia2: Howdy. Were you looking into epub? | 02:46 |
| pleia2 | Unit193: nope | 02:47 |
| Unit193 | Ah, OK. | 02:47 |
| pleia2 | knome said he had a work item about it | 02:47 |
| Unit193 | Yep, "Briefly investigate possibilities to export DocBook to other formats" | 02:48 |
| knome | pleia2, that's okay :D | 11:12 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: got it. Will get to the xkb-plugin tonight. It's been hectic. | 11:38 |
| bluesabre | bbl | 11:40 |
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| ochosi | i think as soon as intelligent hiding of the panel is fixed/released and we ship it, we could reconsider re-adding the bottom panel to xubuntu's layout | 17:01 |
| ochosi | (we could also put it to the left side) | 17:01 |
| brainwash | ochosi: and switch back to the classic app menu? :) | 17:16 |
| brainwash | whiskermenu was the reason to get rid of the bottom panel | 17:18 |
| brainwash | the main reason | 17:19 |
| GridCube | i still use a panel as a launcher for basic apps | 17:19 |
| GridCube | but having whiskers made xubuntu more accesible to my family that doesnt understand much of computers, having a menu where you type what you want and it searchs that app for you you its very useful | 17:20 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i don't think it's necessarily an either-or and i like to test different setups before the lts | 17:21 |
| ochosi | i remember there were some users who really liked the bottom panel and wanted it back after we removed it | 17:22 |
| brainwash | this reminds me that we should not have removed the bottom panel, only hide/deactivate it, so the user can easily enable it again | 17:24 |
| brainwash | a preconfigured bottom panel is a good idea | 17:26 |
| ochosi | how would you go about hiding/deactivating it? | 17:28 |
| ochosi | the best thing would be to simply have a UI for panel-switch and to ship it with a few presets | 17:29 |
| brainwash | I think you can hide panel-1 and so on | 17:29 |
| brainwash | maybe it's a hidden switch -> settings editor | 17:30 |
| brainwash | I cannot test it right now | 17:30 |
| elfy | why have 2 panels? wherever they are (- which is obviously a moot point to me) | 17:31 |
| brainwash | the bottom panel could be optional | 17:32 |
| brainwash | hidden by default, so the user can re-enable it easily | 17:32 |
| elfy | if we've got a couple of cycles to play - why not play with position first | 17:32 |
| brainwash | isn't there only one sane position? | 17:33 |
| elfy | personally I've no particular axe to grind here - as the panel is never what I want anyway :) | 17:33 |
| elfy | brainwash: apparently not :D | 17:33 |
| brainwash | I like the idea of having an optional preconfigured panel | 17:34 |
| elfy | so do I - I'll choose the options :) | 17:35 |
| brainwash | sadly the panel cannot keep track of running programs, so it's not that useful | 17:35 |
| brainwash | like all the other dock apps | 17:35 |
| elfy | mine show's what I've got running | 17:36 |
| brainwash | but the old bottom panel does not, it has only some normal app launchers | 17:36 |
| elfy | old is old and gone - why even bring it up? | 17:37 |
| elfy | surely we're talking about the future | 17:37 |
| brainwash | the next LTS release | 17:38 |
| elfy | missing my point :) | 17:38 |
| brainwash | and it's just some random thought | 17:38 |
| elfy | :) | 17:39 |
| elfy | what I'm saying is - not much point in talking about what the old one did, making assumption that a replacement would be exactly the same | 17:41 |
| jjfrv8 | ochosi, quick question on powerman: is there any actual difference on a laptop among the blanking, sleeping and switching off settings of the display? | 19:39 |
| jjfrv8 | bbl | 20:28 |
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| habhatti | hello | 21:25 |
| elfy | hi habhatti :) | 21:28 |
| habhatti | hey elfy, installed vivid today :) | 21:29 |
| elfy | \o/ | 21:30 |
| elfy | nice :) | 21:30 |
| Unit193 | habhatti: Howdy. So I missed it, where'd you come from? :D | 21:31 |
| habhatti | Unit193: Hey. I'm from Pakistan. | 21:33 |
| Unit193 | Ah, sidi's survey. | 21:34 |
| slickymaster | hey guys | 21:38 |
| elfy | hi slickymaster | 21:39 |
| elfy | bluesabre: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-November/010488.html | 21:40 |
| habhatti | hey slickymaster | 21:41 |
| elfy | I replied - but not sure where they should report that :) | 21:41 |
| slickymaster | habhatti o/ | 21:41 |
| slickymaster | that's a strange one elfy :P | 21:42 |
| elfy | slickymaster: yea - not really a whisker bug - as it's doing exactly what it should :) | 21:43 |
| slickymaster | yes | 21:43 |
| elfy | prior to all settings be visible in whisker it wasn't an issue of course | 21:43 |
| slickymaster | yeaps | 21:43 |
| slickymaster | let's blame knome on this one elfy | 21:44 |
| elfy | ha ha ha | 21:44 |
| slickymaster | it was him who started all with bug 1310264 | 21:44 |
| ubottu | bug 1310264 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu Trusty) "Can't search/find items in the Settings Manager" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1310264 | 21:44 |
| elfy | yep - which I +1'd :) | 21:46 |
| slickymaster | booooo elfy | 21:47 |
| elfy | well it was a bug that affected me :p | 21:48 |
| slickymaster | lol | 21:48 |
| * Unit193 doesn't use whisker. :D | 21:51 | |
| slickymaster | thb, I like it Unit193 | 21:52 |
| Unit193 | You're permitted to. :P | 21:53 |
| slickymaster | ;) | 21:53 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: FWIW, Ubuntu is looking into hexchat-indicator now, but not sure it's worth much. | 21:55 |
| elfy | saw that conversation in bits | 21:56 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: yeah, blanking only puts a black layer on the screen, so the display is still switched on. suspend/sleep means it'll wake up more quickly then when it's really switched off. the time/difference depends on the hardware though | 23:40 |
| jjfrv8 | ochosi, thanks. so is it true for laptops as for desktops that some hardware might not support switching off? | 23:58 |
| ochosi | afaik there is no good data on what hardware supports what exactly | 23:58 |
| ochosi | e.g. the distinction between sleep and suspend in DPMS is not very transparent | 23:59 |
| ochosi | supposedly there's a wakeup-time difference between standby and suspend as well | 23:59 |
| ochosi | but yeah... | 23:59 |
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