[00:36] <genii-temp> Can't seem to find anywhere on 15.04 to save session so that I can choose "load manually saved session" as an option.
[00:37] <genii-temp> But otherwise, kudos, looks and feels great so far.
[00:38]  * genii-temp wanders off
[00:40] <valorie> hmmm
[00:40] <valorie> so tempting!
[05:28] <Mirv> ScottK: I committed some fixes as unreleased that will be needed with 5.4.0. found by testing 5.4.0 beta, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/QtTesting
[07:14] <soee> good morning
[09:59] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: so far only two of us at fosdem according to the wiki page https://community.kde.org/Promo/Events/FOSDEM/2015
[09:59] <Riddell> although I know lots more are going
[09:59]  * shadeslayer is unsure at the moment
[10:09] <_Groo_> good morning
[10:09] <_Groo_> Riddell: could you takea look at kscreen and plasma-workspace (plasmashell), which are broken in kubuntu-ci because of kscreen change of ABI?
[10:09] <_Groo_> Riddell: big sentence :P
[10:09] <_Groo_> Riddell: cant use kf5 because i dont have plasmashell ^.^
[10:21] <_Groo_> Riddell: plasmashell (plasma-workspace) build but it fails to run because of symbols clash with kscreen: plasmashell: symbol lookup error: plasmashell: undefined symbol: _ZN7KScreen6Config11outputAddedEPNS_6OutputE
[10:45] <Tm_T> Riddell: would it help if I could come to Fosdem too?
[12:17] <ScottK> Mirv: isn't that for 15.10?
[12:49] <Mirv> ScottK: I'm not saying 5.4 is clearly for 15.04, but wasn't Kubuntu anyway happy if 5.4 would arrive earlier rather than later? I'm trying to get people to do conditional fixes (if QT_VERSION < 5.4 etc) so that it'd be possible to test how Qt 5.4 looks. currently unity8 still doesn't run but hopefully soon.
[12:50] <ScottK> Mirv: We want the Qt5 version that Plasma5 upstream supports their platform on.  For 15.04, that'll be 5.3.latest.
[12:50] <Mirv> there's time for feature freeze, but it also depends on how rapidly vivid is wanted to be used for OTA updates, which is I guess still up in the air. my latest knowledge is that 5.4 is ok.
[12:50] <ScottK> Riddell can correct me if I'm wrong on that.
[12:50] <Mirv> ScottK: ah, interesting, that changes the picture. I certainly have not heard of pressure to get 5.4 in yet.
[12:51] <Mirv> ScottK: I remember Riddell saying everybody talking about 5.4 nowadays.
[12:51] <ScottK> Then 5.4 slipped.
[12:51] <ScottK> Gotta go.
[12:51] <sitter> I don't think this is entirely settled upstream.
[12:52] <Mirv> then if it's 5.3.x for 15.04, I'll use the possibility to make preparations but plan more like 5.4.2 for May/15.10
[12:52] <sitter> however AFAIK most upstream devs use 5.4, so from a testing perspective getting 5.4 in would be good
[12:53] <Mirv> sitter: there's "ugly packaging" beta at a PPA mentioned at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/QtTesting - including frameworkintegration and plasma-framework rebuilds, although the latter would need symbol changes
[12:53] <Mirv> also, there's a tag qt5.4 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=qt5.4
[12:57] <Mirv> I do like the idea of using .2/.3 releases instead of trying to go full speed to .0, but keep me posted. I think other canonical folks also like .2/.3 if they ever plan to get completely rid of the ubuntu-rtm and use latest ubuntu.
[12:59] <Mirv> tsdgeos: ^ note the discussion
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:49] <tsdgeos> Mirv: ScottK: Riddell: imho going with Qt 5.3.2 for 15.04 is a bit "low", there will be probably a 5.4.1 or .2 already by then
[13:50] <kfunk> Riddell: did you investigate the xembed systray icon issue?
[13:51] <kfunk> or am *I* doing sth wrong?
[13:54] <sitter> what be the issue?
[13:54] <kfunk> sitter: pidgin's tray icon not showing up in Plasma 5
[13:54] <kfunk> (kubuntu-next-ppa, 14.10)
[13:54] <sitter> kfunk: is sni-qt installed?
[13:54] <kfunk> yes
[13:54] <sitter> bug then? :P
[13:54] <kfunk> sitter: but pidgin is GTK -- does it matter?
[13:54] <sitter> that is true
[13:55] <sitter> bug all the same, I think for gtk the sni stuff is actually patched in
[13:55] <sitter> unless canonical removed it
[13:55] <kfunk> sitter: I think Riddell already (somewhat) confirmed that it's also broken for him.
[13:56] <kfunk> bbl, 1 hour
[13:57] <sitter> kfunk: why are you using pidgin anyway, what if the ktp people find out? ^^
[14:00] <sitter> kfunk: it would appear to me that pidgin is not supposed to have a tray
[14:02] <soee> sitter: but the same issue is with skype 
[14:02] <sitter> terribly unlikely
[14:05] <sitter>    string "type='signal',sender='org.freedesktop.DBus',interface='org.freedesktop.DBus',member='NameOwnerChanged',path='/org/freedesktop/DBus',arg0='com.canonical.indicator.messages'"
[14:06] <sitter> kfunk: random guess would be that it registers a message indicator only for which plasma has no backing at all
[14:35] <_Groo_> kscreen new package is putting the kcm_kscreen.so and kded_kscreen.so libs in the wrong place, they should be in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins and they are installed in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/plugins/
[14:35] <_Groo_> this in kubuntu-ci
[14:35] <_Groo_> please fix :)
[14:35] <_Groo_> this will fix the missing lib in systemsettings
[14:35] <_Groo_> just tested it
[14:49] <bukai> Riddell: Hi
[14:50] <bukai> sgclark: ping
[15:16] <yofel> what kind of version is -~4 o.O
[15:16] <yofel>  plasma-workspace : Depends: libphonon4qt5-4 (>= 4:4.8.0) but 4:4.8.0-~4ubuntu2 is to be installed
[15:25] <Sick_Rimmit> Hi Folks
[15:26] <Sick_Rimmit> I have been granted permission to run Kubuntu as my production desktop, on the metal, rather than through a VM
[15:26] <Sick_Rimmit> Am thinking of using Plasma 5 Tech preview for this.
[15:26] <yofel> \o/
[15:27] <Sick_Rimmit> Machine is a 64bit i5, but I've had probs with 64 bit in the past
[15:27] <Sick_Rimmit> I'm happy to have a few glitches, but I can't have it break in a massive way...
[15:27] <Sick_Rimmit> any adviosries ?
[15:28] <Sick_Rimmit> My plan...
[15:28] <mamarley> What problems did you have with 64bit?
[15:28] <Sick_Rimmit> 64bit Plasma 5 Tech Preview
[15:28] <Sick_Rimmit> I had 64bit runing on a Mac Pro, and I had issues with Multimedia, Video production in Kdenlive, and some audio problems
[15:29] <Sick_Rimmit> Especially crashing when rendering
[15:29] <Sick_Rimmit> Anyway I sold the Mac Pro, because Crapple upset me, and I hate them
[15:30] <mamarley> I would definitely recommend at least trying 64bit again.
[15:31] <mamarley> I can't say anything about Plasma 5 though because I haven't tried it yet.
[15:31]  * yofel runs kubuntu 14.10 64bit on his work notebook
[15:31] <yofel> kde4 that is
[15:31] <Sick_Rimmit> OK, this is good, no one else is yelling DON't USE IT IN PRODUCTION at me, so that will do
[15:32] <yofel> I can't say anything about plasma5 really...
[15:33] <Sick_Rimmit> I understand that Plasma 5 may give me some trouble, but I'm willing to put up with that, so long as we keep the updates coming through
[15:37] <Sick_Rimmit> OK.. well I'm happy to try this out.
[15:40] <Sick_Rimmit> Infact I'm excited to try this out. Going to be fun seeing how Video production works out on Plasma 5 :-)
[16:52] <shadeslayer> sitter: why haven't we sent the proposal to the TB yet?
[17:05] <sitter> shadeslayer: I was under the impression that jr was going to do it
[17:15] <kfunk> sitter: note that I have the same issue for Qt4/Qt5-based apps that use QSystemTrayIcon
[17:15] <kfunk> sitter: does pidgin work for you? does the tray icon show up?
[17:16] <ovidiu-florin> where's Riddell? I've been trying to get in contact with him for the past 2 days
[17:20] <kfunk> hm, gpg-agent and sddm still don't play well together it seems :|
[17:29] <BluesKaj> BBL
[18:11] <bukai> Riddell: ping
[18:22] <genii> He's been MIA a day or two
[18:24] <shadeslayer> yep
[18:24] <shadeslayer> bukai: anything important
[18:24] <shadeslayer> gah
[18:25] <shadeslayer> I was supposed to leave 15 minutes ago
[18:25] <shadeslayer> but all of you are too awesome
[18:25]  * genii packs shadeslayer a thermos of coffee for the road
[18:26] <bukai> I wanted to ask him about my sok project
[18:26]  * shadeslayer drinks it in one go and waits for caffeine rush
[18:26] <bukai> shadeslayer: ^^
[18:26] <shadeslayer> bukai: yeah ok, I'll ask him to send you a mail when I meet him later tonight
[18:27] <bukai> shadeslayer: thanks :)
[22:11] <rx> unstable-weekly needs some love ;o)