[00:00] <josharenson> Does the Ubuntu.Components CheckBox support the ExclusiveGroup property?
[00:01] <josharenson> (I get an error)
[00:05] <josharenson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1360840
[00:07] <nik90_> josharenson: no it doesn't unfortunately...
[00:07] <nik90_> hopefully in the future it does
[00:07] <josharenson> nik90_ yeah I see... not super hard to re-implement, but I hate reinventing the wheel
[00:07] <nik90_> josharenson: true, I actually reported that bug
[00:07] <josharenson> haha ok
[00:07] <nik90_> as I need it for the clock app
[00:08] <nik90_> josharenson: I gues for now we need to use a temp solution
[00:09] <josharenson> nik90_ yeah trying to decide if I should just use QtQuick Controls...
[00:09] <nik90_> josharenson: the standard qtquick checkbox looks out of place though ... I did try it
[00:09] <nik90_> unless you can style it appropriately
[00:09] <josharenson> not worth it :-p Ill write a bit of JS
[00:09] <josharenson> thanks though
[00:10] <nik90_> np
[01:37] <zmaj> hi,anyone here?
[01:51] <zmaj> my app is taking long for a pending review
[01:52] <popey> zmaj: which app?
[01:52] <popey> zmaj: 4chan?
[01:52] <zmaj> yup
[01:52] <zmaj> that one...4chanapp+
[01:53] <popey> lemme take a look
[01:53] <zmaj> I mean it was only 45 minutes but usually it does it in 2-5 minutes
[01:53] <popey> looks like a problem our end
[01:53] <popey> one moment
[01:54] <popey> beuno: ^^ https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/1252/ wasn't signed, so I hit the sign button
[01:54] <popey> I'd be willing to bet the + sign in the app is causing a problem
[01:55] <zmaj> well I did screw something up the first time i tried to upload it,then I deleted it and reuploaded it under this name...
[01:56] <popey> ah
[01:56] <popey> you might need to re-upload with a bumped version number
[01:56] <popey> happy to hang around for a bit while you do that, to check on it
[01:57] <zmaj> ok,give me a minute...
[01:58] <popey> k
[01:59] <zmaj> now v0.4 is up
[02:00] <popey> k
[02:01] <popey> failing again
[02:01] <popey> can you test upload a new app without the + as a test?
[02:01] <popey> (if you have time)
[02:01] <zmaj> ok,let me try...
[02:13] <zmaj> failed with:security policy matches framework
[02:13] <popey> locally or after uploading?
[02:14] <zmaj> after uploading
[02:15] <popey> unfortunately I can't see it because it failed
[02:15] <popey> can you uplaod the .click somewhere?
[02:17] <zmaj> 1.2 != 1.2 (ubuntu-sdk-14.10-dev2)
[02:20] <zmaj> http://www.filedropper.com/comubuntudevelopermkamenjak774chanappextra074all
[02:23] <popey> ok
[02:23] <zmaj> there is probably a stupid error but I am probably unable to see it since its 3 in the morning at my place.I really need to sleep.
[02:24] <popey> heh
[02:24] <popey> one moment, let me see
[02:25] <zmaj> maybe because the project name is different from the app name...
[02:27] <popey> the policy version is right
[02:27] <popey> for the framework
[02:30] <zmaj> hm,ok
[02:31] <popey> zmaj: I can't quite figure that problem out, sorry.
[02:31] <popey> maye we should poke beuno in the morning. Sorry.
[02:31] <zmaj> ok...
[02:31] <zmaj> should I delete them in the meanwhile?
[02:36] <popey> nah, leave them so I can refer the guys to them in the morning
[02:36] <popey> they won't get approved while broken
[02:37] <zmaj> ok
[02:37] <zmaj> good night
[03:00] <ahoneybun> popey: hello
[03:17] <popey> ahoneybun: just off to bed
[03:17] <popey> ahoneybun: however, I had a suggestion, you may want to add a space in the name of your app, as it wraps on the device
[03:17] <popey> ... bed
[05:43]  * Mirv thinks popey should probably sleep more
[08:00] <dholbach> good morning
[08:01] <akiva-thinkpad> morning
[09:25] <t1mp> popey: who works on the weather app?
[09:28]  * t1mp wonders why the weather-app autopilot tests reimplement AppHeader and the click_action_button() function
[09:34] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Phillip Hughes Day! :-D
[10:10] <popey> t1mp: m-b-o, would need to find an autopilot person..
[10:20] <dholbach> popey, did Carlo Giordano get in touch with you?
[10:22] <dholbach> maybe it'd help to introduce him to the other Italian core app devs?
[10:25] <popey> yes
[10:28] <jagarciavi> Hi
[10:30] <t1mp> popey: okay
[10:30] <t1mp> thanks
[10:35]  * dholbach hugs popey
[10:40] <zmaj> hello
[10:53] <brendand> popey, hoy hoy
[10:54] <popey> pip pip
[10:54] <popey> zmaj: beuno had a look at the issue... beuno zmaj is the 4chan app dev
[10:55] <brendand> popey, gonna file a bug in music app to have tracks without a genre show up in the genres view under a 'unknown' or 'other' category
[10:55] <brendand> popey, sound about right?
[10:55] <popey> does it not already do that?
[10:56] <popey> if not, then yes, I'd file one
[10:56] <popey> that will add a translatable string I guess
[10:56] <zmaj> so any idea on what the issue was?In the meantime I have copy pasted my code into another project
[10:56] <beuno> it's using an old version of the security policy
[10:57] <beuno> {"security_policy_version_is_highest (1.3, 4chanapp.apparmor)": {"text": "1.2 != 1.3", "manual_review": false}
[10:57] <beuno> zmaj, you should have gotten an email with that
[11:08] <akiva-thinkpad> hey everyone o/
[11:15] <zmaj> sorry guys i got disconnected from my wifi...
[11:15] <zmaj> had to reboot
[11:15] <zmaj> anyhow,how do I apply the newer security policy?
[11:17] <beuno> zmaj, how did you create the click package?
[11:17] <beuno> using the SDK?
[11:17] <zmaj> yes
[11:18] <beuno> zmaj, let me download the click package and do some research for you
[11:22] <zmaj> http://www.filedropper.com/comubuntudevelopermkamenjak774chanappextra074all
[11:49] <zmaj> it seems my sdk does not have the policy version 1.3
[11:50] <zmaj> security_policy_version_matches_framework (4chanappqml.apparmor):
[11:50] <zmaj> 1.2 != 1.2 (ubuntu-sdk-14.10-qml-dev3)
[11:53] <gventuri> rpadovani: hi
[11:53] <gventuri> rpadovani: have you seen Olivier?
[11:57] <daker> gventuri: => oSoMoN
[11:57] <oSoMoN> did I miss something?
[11:58] <daker> no, i think he was just looking for you, well i think :)
[12:03] <mihir> gventuri: Hi
[12:03] <mihir> gventuri: did you install some calendar updates ?
[12:03] <mihir> gventuri: still left with few views , but new click does have some updates.
[12:06] <zmaj> beuno:any progress on your side?
[12:09] <beuno> zmaj, sorry, on a phone call
[12:09] <beuno> will get back to you
[12:11] <zmaj> ok
[12:17] <zmaj> my wifis is still malfunctioning... though...
[12:20] <zmaj> I have to go...I will be back on chat in about half an hour...
[12:21] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, o/
[12:21] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, ah hey
[12:21] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, so I goofed; the terminal was supposed to be a secret :O
[12:22] <akiva-thinkpad> We are waiting from the dev to see if he wants the posts pulled down ~
[12:22] <akiva-thinkpad> I still got to say though; he has done a damn excellent job
[12:22] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, Yeahhh, you need to tell me if you change that. I was like "OMG, what has happened?" and I spent ages trying to fix it because I assumed it was a bug. hahah!
[12:23] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, Not that you need to tell me everything, it's just it looks like a bug.
[12:23] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, wah?
[12:23] <akiva-thinkpad> oh you mean the submit new link buttons?
[12:23] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[12:23] <akiva-thinkpad> wait; what are you talking about?
[12:23] <akiva-thinkpad> '_'
[12:24] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, Oh my bad, I thought we were talking about the sub reddits links! hahah!
[12:24] <akiva-thinkpad> ha
[12:24] <Matteom> Hi all I am Matteo I would like to try ubuntu on my smartphone: is it possible to try the installation on NGM prestige with MT6227 mediatek processor?
[12:24]  * DS-McGuire needs his morning coffee
[12:24] <akiva-thinkpad> Matteom, good question!
[12:25] <akiva-thinkpad> Matteom, the best place to ask about ubuntu-touch installs are in #ubuntu-touch
[12:25] <akiva-thinkpad> ubuntu app devel is for the development of applications, but you are certainly welcome to stick around.
[12:25] <akiva-thinkpad> Matteom, do you just want to try ubuntu touch? There are emulators you can try.
[12:25] <Matteom> Aktiva-thinkpad thank you, I will
[12:26] <akiva-thinkpad> Matteom, :D and if you want to get into any application development, let me know; I love taking people through the process. We can always use more help developing the core apps.
[12:27] <Matteom> aktiva -thinkpad really I would like to try to flash my phone with Ubuntu touch
[12:27] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, What would you like the submit links like? :D
[12:28] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, oh I don't care; We can change it up from time to time just to keep things fresh
[12:28] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, I think its kind of funny just changing them to shell commands
[12:29] <gventuri> mihir: not yet, I have vivid and it's broken
[12:29] <akiva-thinkpad> I wanted to replace search with :/etc$ grep "%s" -F reddit.conf
[12:29] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, I am all for that, it's just when I first saw the links I went straight into bug fixing mode. I am not too keen on the idea of having them like shell commands as it does look like a bug, to me anyway. I don't want other people to think the same thing,
[12:29] <akiva-thinkpad> you know; the placeholder text ~
[12:30] <Matteom> Thank you for information I will try ask #ubuntu-touch
[12:30] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, heh let me guess; you couldnt figure out how to change the string at first :D
[12:30] <akiva-thinkpad> it took me a bit to figure out that it couldnt be changed via the css
[12:31] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, Nope haha. I spent ages on it and then found you had to change it in the settings. I still assumed it to be a bug though :L
[12:32] <akiva-thinkpad> lol.
[12:32] <DS-McGuire> I could see you had changed the css which was fine however I couldn't figure out what the hell was wrong haha!
[12:32] <akiva-thinkpad> anyways I tweaked the flairs around; I believe they should all look pretty normal now. There are none hugging the texts, or leaving gaping whitespaces.
[12:33] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, I think we are coming close to a near perfect css
[12:33] <akiva-thinkpad> are there still any things you want to see seen?
[12:34] <akiva-thinkpad> bzoltan, ping -- is there a bug/feature request for running tests in the sdk? Because I am working on that atm.
[12:34] <akiva-thinkpad> or rather, am writing a plugin for it
[12:35] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, I am fine with everything with the css, just not too on board with the shell commands. haha!
[12:35] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, heh; have you warmed up to the flairs yet?
[12:35] <akiva-thinkpad> oh did you change our control panel title?
[12:36]  * akiva-thinkpad checks
[12:36] <akiva-thinkpad> ha ha
[12:36] <akiva-thinkpad> still there
[12:36] <akiva-thinkpad> guess you missed it
[12:36] <akiva-thinkpad> anyways only us see it, but feel free to change it back to "Moderator tools"
[12:37] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, Yeah I missed that one :L. I am fine with the flairs. :)
[12:37] <akiva-thinkpad> cool I'm glad
[12:37] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, How do you change it? I don't even know! haha!
[12:37] <akiva-thinkpad> Let me know if you want a language added to the flairs
[12:38] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, its kind of convoluted.
[12:38] <akiva-thinkpad> but you use two websites. One you feed it a folder full of icons to create one picture
[12:38] <akiva-thinkpad> the other, you give it the specifications of the icons, how many there are, and it generates css code
[12:39] <akiva-thinkpad> I spent like 8 hours just looking up every programming language that had an icon, and then scaling it to 64 px
[12:40] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, Man you spent ages doing that! I don't mind having luggages added to the flairs, it's just some people know a lot of languages, I don't want it too look too cluttered.
[12:41] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, oh you can only have one language on your flair, we would have to manually add them to give more
[12:42] <akiva-thinkpad> one thing that needs to be done, is that CSS file needs to be cleaned up, and I think it should be alphabetisized with proper syntax
[12:42] <bzoltan> akiva-thinkpad:  yes, there is ... a sec
[12:42] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, I see, well for now I don't see the need for more. It is up to you really.
[12:43] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, yah; oh one thing I would like to see, but I don't know how to do
[12:43] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, The CSS file wasn't mine, it was quite messy to start off with, it would take a long time to sort that out.
[12:44] <akiva-thinkpad> do you think we can make the slanted lines at the top trim a bit more pronounced?
[12:44] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, Shall I added it to a blueprint on launchpad?
[12:44] <bzoltan> akiva-thinkpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1269892
[12:44] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, Can you use shutter and explain what you mean?
[12:44] <akiva-thinkpad> cleaning up the css? More of a bug
[12:44] <akiva-thinkpad> bzoltan, thanks
[12:45] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, I suppose. If you report it as bug and assign it to me I won't forget about it,
[12:49] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, yah I can do that
[12:50] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, did you push the css code back onto bazaar?
[12:50] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, I need to go out for about an hour now, I will be back. If you aren't back I will talk to you later. Yes I did push it.
[12:50] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, ah very cool;
[12:50] <akiva-thinkpad> yah ttyl
[12:51] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, o/
[12:51] <akiva-thinkpad> \o
[13:02] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ping
[13:04] <zmaj_> beuno:I am back,any news?
[13:04] <beuno> zmaj_, still digging
[13:04] <beuno> not sure why it's failing, your package looks fine
[13:04] <beuno> I'm trying to debug our servers at the moment
[13:06] <zmaj_> yesterday I uploaded it under the name '4chanapp' but since it got rejected I permanently deleted it...I hoep that isn't making a problem.Meanwhile I have tried uploading with different names,different versions...
[13:06] <zmaj_> but I really like .click packages,they make life easy
[13:07] <beuno> zmaj_, yeah, I think this is an issue on our end
[13:07] <beuno> sorry for the hassle
[13:07] <beuno> it'll take me a bit to get to the bottom of it
[13:08] <beuno> once it's clear what it is, I can manually bypass the broken checks to unblock you
[13:08] <zmaj_> you can also contact me by email if anything comes up...
[13:09] <beuno> zmaj_, I sure can
[13:11] <akiva-thinkpad> bzoltan or popey - my very basic flowchart of how I would go about implementing the autopilot3 plugin for qtcreator. If either of you have a minute, given you are both quite a bit more experienced than I, could you tell me if this is a sane implementation?
[13:12] <akiva-thinkpad> In a nutshell, all I plan on doing is dumping the project files to a list, detecting if a "tests" folder is in that, and then populate a column of buttons that would run each test if pressed.
[13:12] <akiva-thinkpad> not dump, "return"
[13:13] <zmaj_> if it is only a problem on my end,it is no big deal since I am dong it only out of passion for the platform.But if it really is a problem on your end other develoers might have it.Anyhow thank you for your time.
[13:13] <akiva-thinkpad> and then have the output displayed in a seperate tab
[13:20] <uglyandstupid> hello
[13:22] <zmaj_> hi
[13:22] <uglyandstupid> Is there a way to change a delegate dynamically ? let me explain please
[13:24] <uglyandstupid> i have different type of items in my UI, some are for example related to function calls (e.g play/pause/resume items that we can find in a media player view), items that opens other views etc
[13:24] <zmaj_> beuno:apparently 4chanappextra is ready to publish,thank you
[13:25] <beuno> zmaj_, yeah, I overrided it manually
[13:25] <zmaj_> so what was the problem if I may know?
[13:25] <zmaj_> can I delete the other ones I uploaded?
[13:27] <beuno> zmaj_, you can. The problem is on our end.
[13:28] <zmaj_> thx...
[13:29] <gventuri> mihir: is it in the clickstore?
[13:29] <uglyandstupid> everything looks to be available to create something like https://github.com/angular-ui/ui-router for QML
[13:29] <rpadovani> gventuri, o/ sorry, at lunch. What's going on?
[13:30] <zmaj_> so I heard the review process for desktop will be improved?I am glad to hear that.
[13:32] <gventuri> rpadovani: no worries. we caught up on the browser
[13:32] <gventuri> mihir: I can't see the chanhes
[13:32] <gventuri> changes
[13:33] <rpadovani> gventuri, oh, on my side no news, I have no time this week, I hope to do something next week. We also started to work on new calculator
[13:33] <gventuri> rpadovani: cool
[13:34] <gventuri> rpadovani: let me know when you want em to test something
[13:34] <gventuri> rpadovani: I had to reinstall RTM as Vivid broke completely on Krillin
[13:34] <rpadovani> gventuri, we're working on engine right now, we want to avoid some issuses we had with the old one
[13:39] <Guest68212> I'm trying to get the ubuntu-sdk running. I cant get for example lp:reminder-app to build. Ubuntu 14.10
[13:40] <rpadovani> Guest68212, what's the problem?
[13:40] <popey> thanks beuno! congrats zmaj_ ☻
[13:40] <rpadovani> Guest68212, take the code, open CMakeLists.txt, what's the error?
[13:41] <zmaj_> thx popey :)
[13:42] <zmaj_> The next thing I plan to do is make my own web browser for widescreens/landscape mode.
[13:44] <rpadovani> popey, any news about calculator? Sorry to bother you on this, but we already have some working code and some branches to merge... I can do manually if you say you need some more time :-)
[13:44] <popey> rpadovani: heya, you around at 16:00 UTC for a calc meeting?
[13:45] <rpadovani> popey, yay :D
[13:45] <Guest68212> This is my CMakeList.txt http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9268704/
[13:47] <Guest68212> There maybe an error in my SDK-installation. What lp:xxx-app should I clone and build to check my installation?
[13:49] <rpadovani> Guest68212, what's the error you have?
[13:49] <Guest68212> I got this error with lp:calendar-app :-1: error: [CMakeFiles/com.ubuntu.calendar_calendar.desktop] Error 127
[13:51] <alecu> dholbach: dpm: Hi! Every page in our qml API seems to have broken images. Eg: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/QtQuick.qtquick-effects-sprites/
[13:51] <alecu> who should I report this to?
[13:57] <rpadovani> popey, on IRC or hangout? Maybe I can ping also mihir and gang65
[13:57] <mihir> rpadovani: today after 2 hours ? right?
[13:57] <popey> rpadovani: whatever is easier for you guys.
[13:57] <popey> yes
[13:57] <mihir> rpadovani: i am currently reviewing your MP
[13:58] <mihir> rpadovani: sorry for lil delay this time , got busy until next weekend, but will keep you  posted .
[13:58] <rpadovani> mihir, thanks
[13:59] <rpadovani> ok, will be here also gang65, see you in two hours in ubuntu-touch-meeting
[14:01] <dholbach> alecu, http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-api-website/
[14:01] <dholbach> alecu, it's hidden at the bottom of the page (in > Details)
[14:02] <alecu> ah, thanks!
[14:03] <brendand> nik90_, any chance of a top approval on this? https://code.launchpad.net/~brendan-donegan/ubuntu-clock-app/disable_location_prompt/+merge/242682
[14:04] <brendand> nik90_, and this https://code.launchpad.net/~brendan-donegan/ubuntu-clock-app/wait_for_bottomedgetip_visible/+merge/242792
[14:09] <sverzegnassi> popey: hi! is there a meeting for docviewer today?
[14:11] <popey> sverzegnassi: yeah, 50 mins
[14:17] <mihir> rpadovani: hi
[14:18] <mihir> rpadovani: I guess Gagn65 directly merged, did you talked to him ?
[14:18] <rpadovani> mihir, he just pinged me on hangouts, says code looks good
[14:19] <rpadovani> mihir, it's ok, I guess
[14:19] <mihir> rpadovani: okay.. no issues :)
[14:19] <mihir> rpadovani: concern was i guess we don't have Jenkins on reboot , i guess you might need to do manaul Merge ?
[14:20] <rpadovani> mihir, that is
[14:32] <nik90_> brendand: sure, do I need to test it? Or did elopio do all the testing?
[14:34] <brendand> nik90_, for the first one he didn't yet approve it, but i answered his comments. if you want to wait for him to approve it that's ok
[14:34] <nik90_> brendand: ack.
[14:38] <pindonga> jdstrand, you around?
[14:43] <nik90_> elopio: when you got time, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~brendan-donegan/ubuntu-clock-app/disable_location_prompt/+merge/242682 and then top approve? I am not entirely familiar with fixtures to do the review.
[14:56] <elopio> nik90_: looking at it.
[14:56] <elopio> brendand: I didn't notice before that you require sudo for that.
[14:56] <elopio> brendand: how are you passing the sudo password to the device?
[15:00] <elopio> brendand: I see this in the logs of all the tests:
[15:00] <elopio> 12:40:22.566 ERROR fixture_setup:43 - Unable to start location service in testing mode tests may fail as a result.
[15:00] <elopio> so I think the fixture is not working.
[15:00] <brendand> elopio, where is that?
[15:00] <elopio> brendand: http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-vivid/377/consoleText
[15:01] <brendand> elopio, those tests run in a desktop image right?
[15:02] <brendand> elopio, or rather a cloud image i think
[15:03] <elopio> brendand: yes, that's a desktop vivid image.
[15:03] <elopio> I thought that now they were also running in touch, but they don't.
[15:03] <brendand> elopio, so it won't have location-service
[15:03] <elopio> brendand: if location-service is not present, you shouldn't run the fixture.
[15:03] <brendand> elopio, and certainly won't have lxc-android-config which has the upstart job override
[15:04] <elopio> brendand: and in the fixture, you shouldn't hide the error. If you can't disable the location service, the test should fail.
[15:05] <brendand> elopio, not really, it's not part of the test
[15:05] <brendand> elopio, we're not testing the location service
[15:05] <elopio> brendand: it is. You should call the fixture only when needed.
[15:05] <elopio> and if it is needed and it doesn't work, the test should fail.
[15:05] <elopio> otherwise it will fail later with a cryptic error.
[15:08] <elopio> brendand: and my question about sudo remains. Will the tests work when you run them with adt-run?
[15:09] <brendand> elopio, they will work in ci because they enable blanket sudo
[15:09] <brendand> elopio, we don't really have any other choice
[15:09] <elopio> brendand: we need them to work with adt-run.
[15:10] <elopio> brendand: well, yes. The other choice is the location service guys to provide a testable service that we can enable and disable easily during a test, and that allows us to provide a fake location.
[15:10] <brendand> elopio, that's not really the issue
[15:11] <brendand> elopio, the issue is the trust prompt
[15:11] <brendand> elopio, but i know what you mean
[15:11] <brendand> elopio, we already agreed i'd raise a bug for that and i did
[15:12] <elopio> brendand: the location prompt also needs to be testable.
[15:12] <elopio> brendand: yes, we talked but I didn't notice the sudo call. I'm just asking if it will work with adt-run. Otherwise we are losing the nice things that were so hard to achieve.
[15:13] <brendand> elopio, really you are throwing the baby out with the bath water here because right now this is the only way to fix it, and the only thing we're doing by waiting for the 'right' solution is masking other failures
[15:13] <brendand> elopio, right now clock tests are just useless
[15:13] <brendand> elopio, since they don't run effectively
[15:13] <elopio> if your workaround for the lack of testing gets to that point, I would recommend to blame the location service guys that implemented a feature without talking to QA. And they need to fix it.
[15:15] <elopio> brendand: it is not the only way to fix it. It's the only way to work it around without the help of the devs.
[15:15] <elopio> but why are the devs not helping here?
[15:15] <brendand> elopio, let's talk somewhere else and get the right people involved
[15:16] <brendand> elopio, i don't see tvoss in ubuntu-touch
[15:17] <elopio> you should raise the issue to jfunk. Get a compromise from the devs that they will give us an easy way to test this thing. And then you can decide if it's better to enable the tests while we wait for it,  even if the workaround is breaking some things. Or we better leave the tests failing until they fix it.
[15:18] <elopio> brendand: I would recommend you to send an email to tvoss with copy to thomi and jfunk.
[15:28] <zmaj_> hi,I think i got removed from ubuntu app pioneers,why?
[15:29] <rpadovani> mhall119, ^^
[15:32] <dpm> alecu, sorry for the delay in replying. Essentially, what Daniel said. But I'm not sure it's a site bug or a bug in the original API docs. I know mhall119 looked at it a while ago, but I'm not sure what the result was
[15:37] <alecu> dpm: I've reported it as bug #1397009
[15:37] <alecu> dpm: mhall119: from what I can tell, the original API docs show the images ok
[15:38] <dpm> ok, thanks alecu
[15:38] <alecu> eg:http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtquick-effects-sprites.html
[15:38] <alecu> vs: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/QtQuick.qtquick-effects-sprites/
[15:39] <alecu> and, it seems our images are either missing or pointing at the wrong apache directory: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/QtQuick.qtquick-effects-sprites/images/spriteenginegraph.png
[15:55] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, oh did you also notice the new moderator names?
[15:59] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, I will look now :D
[16:00] <DS-McGuire> SABDFLS?? akiva-thinkpad
[16:36] <mhall119> alecu: I need to modify the API website to allow me to upload those images to Swift, it's on the perpetual TODO list
[16:46] <akiva-thinkpad> popey, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAiOUCvPCEk
[16:46] <akiva-thinkpad> is Popescu Sorin you?
[16:46] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, yep
[16:47] <brendand> popey, lol. the Romanian version of you :)
[16:47] <akiva-thinkpad> its a mark shuttleworth joke
[16:47] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, Yeah... WTF does that mean?
[16:47] <popey> nope
[16:47] <popey> gah
[16:47] <akiva-thinkpad> heh
[16:47] <akiva-thinkpad> just popped up 8 minutes ago on my youtube feed
[16:48] <brendand> popey, i dunno, the disco music
[16:48] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, self apointed benevolant dictator for life
[16:48] <brendand> popey, we all know how much you like disco
[16:48] <akiva-thinkpad> brendand, I heard popey does like the disco
[16:48] <brendand> popey, i've seen your camera feed
[16:48] <popey> haha
[16:49] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, I see... I think that will just confuse people. I don't want the sub reddit to be a joke, that's what /r/Linuxmasterrace is for
[16:50] <akiva-thinkpad> it does say moderators below
[16:51] <akiva-thinkpad> but anyways; it does make sense that if it is ever going to go official, it will have to lose jokes
[16:51] <akiva-thinkpad> so your call~
[16:52] <akiva-thinkpad> I just think its kind of funny
[16:52] <akiva-thinkpad> if you google it, Mark Shuttleworth is the first result
[16:53] <akiva-thinkpad> http://askubuntu.com/questions/1020/who-is-sabdfl-what-does-he-do
[17:09] <zmaj> hello again...it seems my name was removed from the app pioneers list?
[17:09] <zmaj> and there are some names with 0 apps on that list
[17:10] <zmaj> anyone?
[17:19] <akiva-thinkpad> zmaj, yah
[17:19] <popey> zmaj: mhall119 deals with that, and he's on vacation
[17:23] <gcollura> how many pixels is 1 units.dp on a smartphone? (while 1gu = 18px)
[17:26] <zmaj> oh well...
[17:28] <zmaj> when does he return?
[17:28] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, Sorry I was busy with a Maths assignment. I would really prefer it to not say that. I want everything to be noob friendly.
[17:29] <zmaj> though it is not important at all...I hope he enjoys his vacation.
[17:33] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, Fine with me :)
[17:33] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, Sorry to shoot your ideas down like that :/
[17:35] <akiva-thinkpad> Well to be honest; the other idea is good as well. Cake or icecream? How can one choose!?
[17:47] <zmaj> have a nice day
[18:48] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, On sunday do you think you could help me out with looking at the coreapps?
[18:48] <ahayzen> popey, yo, are you back from Turkey ?
[18:48] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, on sunday... let me think
[18:48] <akiva-thinkpad> Yah I think I should be free all day
[18:48] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, Sure :D
[18:48] <akiva-thinkpad> sounds like fun
[18:48] <akiva-thinkpad> utc what time?
[18:49] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, Awesome :) I would love just a lil help understanding what's going on and such :P
[18:49] <akiva-thinkpad> I live on pacific time so I keep strange hours.
[18:49] <akiva-thinkpad> Yah its fun when you get over the hump
[18:49] <DS-McGuire> UTC is london times right? Well I am free all day so I will be available from 12 till 10pm UTC :)
[18:59] <popey> ahayzen: i am
[18:59] <popey> ahayzen: hows it going?
[18:59] <ahayzen> popey, good thanks :) how was the trip?
[18:59] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, okay I'll try to be online then.
[18:59] <popey> ahayzen: fun
[18:59] <popey> ahayzen: until we got back and the police boarded the plane!
[19:00] <ogra_> uuuh
[19:00] <ahayzen> popey, uhoh lol :) ... i haven't heard back from the design team (unless in the mist of me doing cwk i missed an email)?
[19:00] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, Thanks a lot :)
[19:00] <popey> yeah, we all had to sit down and about 4 police came on with immigration officers
[19:00] <akiva-thinkpad> :D
[19:00] <ahayzen> popey, did they find your music collection ?
[19:00] <popey> escorded a couple off the plane, and then a CSI type guy came in to check their seats
[19:01] <popey> Thankfully not!
[19:01] <popey> That's a crime right there!
[19:01] <ahayzen> it is
[19:01] <popey> "You are hereby charged with listening to Coldplay in a built up area"
[19:01] <popey> I got away with it.
[19:01] <popey> how are things in music land ahayzen ?
[19:02] <ahayzen> popey, ... good i think i've been doing coursework solidly for the past few days...but i don't think i got a response from the design team regarding your email?
[19:03] <popey> ok
[19:03] <popey> I'll poke John in the morning
[19:03] <ahayzen> popey, do they need a further poke hehe
[19:03] <popey> yeah
[19:03] <popey> Sorry about that.
[19:04] <ahayzen> popey, no worries
[19:15]  * ahoneybun pokes akiva-thinkpad
[19:15] <akiva-thinkpad> ahoneybun, woah; you are alive
[19:15] <akiva-thinkpad> what is going on?
[19:16] <ahoneybun> nothing much lol
[19:16] <akiva-thinkpad> what have you been working on as of late?
[19:16] <ahoneybun> I added a few buttons to uBeginner
[19:16] <akiva-thinkpad> ah very nice
[19:17] <ahoneybun> have over 60 users
[19:17] <akiva-thinkpad> :O
[19:17] <akiva-thinkpad> very nice
[19:17] <akiva-thinkpad> have you subbed to the subreddit?
[19:18] <ahoneybun> what subr?
[19:19] <akiva-thinkpad> r/ubuntuappdev
[19:19] <ahoneybun> nope
[19:20] <ahoneybun> I am now
[19:20] <ahoneybun> thanks'
[19:20] <akiva-thinkpad> :)
[19:20] <akiva-thinkpad> post your app there
[19:21] <ahoneybun> yea will do
[19:22] <ahoneybun> akiva-thinkpad: http://i.imgur.com/FD7jCGV.png
[19:23] <akiva-thinkpad> ahoneybun, you better add ubuntuappdev on there as well
[19:23] <ahoneybun> the subreddit?
[19:23] <akiva-thinkpad> yah :)
[19:24] <ahoneybun> under community sure
[19:25] <akiva-thinkpad> +1
[19:26] <ahoneybun> my main problem now is I have my dev machine in a VM
[19:26] <ahoneybun> need windows for gaming
[19:26] <ahoneybun> and can't launch my app in it with 3d acc on
[19:29] <ahoneybun> akiva-thinkpad: http://www.reddit.com/r/UbuntuAppDev/comments/2nlp03/ubeginner_ubuntu_app/
[19:30] <akiva-thinkpad> ahoneybun, ah the gaming bug
[19:30]  * akiva-thinkpad is a recovering addict
[19:30] <ahoneybun> I have my old macbook right now as a dev machine with Xubuntu
[19:39] <ahoneybun> brb
[20:09] <akiva-thinkpad> okay i'm off for the day I think
[20:09] <akiva-thinkpad> later
[20:49] <mivoligo> mzanetti: any chance you here now? :)
[20:53] <rpadovani> mivoligo, usually yes, but he's on holiday until Sunday :-)
[20:54] <mivoligo> rpadovani: thanks :) I'll try to grab him after the weekend