[00:19]  * m0nkey_ tickles diddledan 
[00:32] <m0nkey_> Popsicle!
[00:34] <daftykins> :o
[00:48] <m0nkey_> the wife did that
[00:49] <daftykins> lol, do you guys know diddledan?
[00:49] <m0nkey_> That'll teach me not to hit Super+L
[00:49] <m0nkey_> Yeah, long time.
[00:49] <daftykins> you poor poor...
[00:49] <daftykins> ;D
[00:49] <m0nkey_> First knew him from IrCQNet
[00:49] <m0nkey_> Wow, approx 10+ years ago
[00:49] <m0nkey_> I'm old
[00:50] <m0nkey_> bbiab.. play time (GTA)
[00:51] <shauno_> morning
[00:51] <daftykins> hey shauno_, how goes it?
[00:51] <shauno_> same old same old :)
[00:52] <daftykins> :D
[00:52]  * daftykins sips Guinness
[00:54] <m0nkey_> shauno, ircqnet, shaun per chance?
[00:54] <shauno> yup
[00:54] <daftykins> :O
[00:54] <m0nkey_> heh
[00:54] <shauno> I have very little imagination when it comes to nicks
[00:55] <m0nkey_> Probably know me as Wellard, used to be CtrlAltDel.. long time ago
[00:55] <shauno> oh hah, hey dave
[00:55] <m0nkey_> yeah, he remembers
[00:55] <m0nkey_> :)
[00:55] <m0nkey_> how goes it?
[00:55] <shauno> still alive!
[00:55] <m0nkey_> diddledan told me you hang here
[04:59] <mapps> hi
[06:16] <mapps> strange noone awake for once
[07:57] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:27] <twager> ls -a
[08:36] <DJones> This is not the terminal you are looking for
[08:41] <MooDoo> lol
[09:34] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Phillip Hughes Day! :-D
[09:36] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait
[09:36] <JamesTait> MooDoo, o/
[09:39] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:40] <JamesTait> czajkowski, \o
[09:42] <czajkowski> hows things?
[09:43] <zmoylan-pi> saw an adorable pug pigy bank and thought of bash last week
[09:44] <czajkowski> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bonkers-Bash/739967579348639?fref=ts
[09:44] <czajkowski> most up to date pics
[09:46] <MooDoo> loved the "why don't you play with me" picture lol
[09:54] <czajkowski> yes he does give that face a lot while I try and work
[09:55] <MooDoo> awwwww lol
[09:57] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:57] <zmoylan-pi> greetings earthlings.
[09:58] <brobostigon> morning zmoylan-pi
[10:04] <foobarry> arggh lightning deals :(
[10:04] <foobarry> i should wait until december to buy presents because amazon are getting me to buy more
[10:05] <zmoylan-pi> at least the web will be faster today as americans are stuck with family in a reduced number of locations and the bandwidth of their parents sucks
[10:29] <davmor2> JamesTait: why would you be happy at someones death and then laugh about it at the end ;)
[10:40] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:40] <dogmatic69> o/
[10:47] <davmor2> morning bigcalm what time did you guys leave last night?
[10:54] <bigcalm> davmor2: about 10ish. Did you turn up after that?
[11:07] <davmor2> bigcalm: no I knocked off around then and thought about coming up just as well I didn't :)
[11:09] <bigcalm> Ah, yes
[11:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: you will be coming to the xmas meet/meal though, right?
[11:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: indeed
[12:00] <popey> I feel like I'm being judged http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-11-27-115941.png
[12:02] <bigcalm> That would be a nice thing to see on my phone
[12:03] <davmor2> popey: that or he is wishing for a phone call :D
[12:07] <Myrtti> I might put this on mine http://i.imgur.com/939hV8R.jpg
[12:08] <zmoylan-pi> i usually just make a jpg with my phone number on it
[12:10] <czajkowski> https://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/537940305530855424  co working today :D
[12:10] <popey> yeah, i grabbed all those wallpapers
[12:10] <popey> hmm http://paradoxgirl.com/
[12:18] <diplo> OK girls and boys, I'm in quite dire need of a phone
[12:19] <Myrtti> Nexus 5
[12:19] <diplo> Not got a lot to spend, £100 -> £200 max as I'm rather skint
[12:19] <diplo> Second hand is ok, or maybe the new Moto ones that Tesco sell ?
[12:20]  * zmoylan-pi recommends nokia feature phone.  terrible but indestructible and does web, email, mp3s, radio, ereader, irc if you're patient
[12:20] <bigcalm> Tesco would be a good place to shop. There are loads of smart phones for less than 100 quid
[12:20] <Myrtti> Moto G
[12:20] <davmor2> diplo: wait till tomorrow and see what is on offer in the black friday sale?
[12:20] <diplo> Yeah probably am davmor2, just thought I'd ask recommendations here
[12:20] <bigcalm> I know we live in a global market, but that annoys me that such things make it over here
[12:20] <diplo> I was bidding on an S4 on Ebay yesterday for £130
[12:21] <zmoylan-pi> my current nokia is from tescos where it was €29 :-)
[12:21] <diplo> I've still got my 6310 zmoylan-pi, still works :)
[12:21] <davmor2> diplo: unless moto's policy has changed they tend to suck for updates
[12:22] <diplo> Until recently weren't they a google part, they still suck ? And to be honest I'm quite happy Roming a phone
[12:22] <zmoylan-pi> and when ever people ask i take it out and bonk it of floor or furniture to show indestructability :-D
[12:22] <Myrtti> if you want something new with that money, then Moto G
[12:23] <davmor2> diplo: ^ I would say not anymore then is Myrtti 's comment is anything to go by
[12:23] <Myrtti> if you're fine with second hand, then Nexus 5 or her ilk.
[12:24] <diplo> I'm just ebaying it now Myrtti thanks
[12:24] <Myrtti> but Moto G seems good value for the money and had it been available when I was buying a phone for my sister a year ago, I would've gotten it instead of a second hand Nexus 4
[12:24] <diplo> yeah I've bought one for my dad, he likes it but doesn't use it
[12:24] <diplo> Like I would
[12:25] <Myrtti> there's a new version of it, I can't remember what they changed but IIRC it's still good value for the 150 whatever it is
[12:25] <Myrtti> my sister adores her Nexus 4 :-)
[12:33] <diplo> Such ranging prices on ebay ( also don't like buying things like phones from ebay ) :/
[12:33] <diplo> Going to look at the MotoG as well, pop in store or something
[12:33] <Myrtti> yeah, it's always a hassle
[12:42] <awilkins> diplo, Daughter has a Moto G ; I have no complaints
[12:42] <awilkins> Apparently getting a Lollipop upgrade soon also
[12:44] <awilkins> davmor2, You'd expect Motorola to be pretty sharp on updates... when they were owned by Google. But Lenovo own them now.
[12:45] <davmor2> awilkins: they were awful but only in the uk in the us they were really on the ball
[12:45] <bigcalm> I was going to say. When I had the Xoom tablet, it got bugger all updates
[12:45] <awilkins> This is why I have a Nexus 4
[12:46] <awilkins> Nexii 4 & 7 both got a nice factory-wipe and upgrade to 5
[12:46] <awilkins> I like it
[12:46] <awilkins> Although possibly I like having a nice clean device with fewer apps on too...
[12:48] <Myrtti> sister got her L OTA on Nexus 4 day before
[12:48] <Myrtti> needed a bit of fumbling to get it to download but nothing a reboot wouldn't solve
[12:49] <awilkins> Yeah, doing a factory install is rather a fiddle
[12:49] <awilkins> I was bored
[12:50] <awilkins> Reading the specs of the Nexus 6. It completely poops all over PCs I owned until recently
[12:51] <zmoylan-pi> can it run ubuntu?
[12:51] <awilkins> It's screen completely poops all over all the main PC monitors I own*right now*
[12:51] <awilkins> I'm sure some enterprising soul will get Ubuntu running on it
[13:39] <Jim_> Can you guys help me how I should automate the skype in Zorion OS. I am feeling a bit annoyed to turn it on soon after restarting the sys everytime though.
[13:40] <daftykins> i believe Zorin may have their own support channel, on freenode
[13:40] <Jim_> hey daftykins could you please direct me how I should head to that freenode?
[13:40] <Jim_> Thanks for the reply by the way.
[13:40] <daftykins> someone might feel helpful and try to help you, but this is an Ubuntu channel for Ubuntu... despite one being based on another it doesn't make them the same
[13:41] <daftykins> well, they might have info on their website... otherwise you can try querying alis
[13:41] <daftykins> !alis
[13:41] <lubotu3`> alis is a services bot that can help you find channels. Read "/msg alis help list" . For more help or questions relating to alis, please join #freenode. Example usage: /msg alis list #ubuntu* or /msg alis list *http*
[13:41] <popey> Jim_:  /join #zorinos
[13:42] <Jim_> HI popey you came again. Thanks.
[13:42] <popey> there's like 10 people in there though, so you may need to wait a while in there
[13:42] <Jim_> Oh. I have been to http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ZorinOS&uio=OT10cnVlJjExPTIxNQ6cunder%20help-%3Eirc and none helps me here.
[13:42] <Jim_> :(
[13:42] <daftykins> ah Zorin, for the "i can't believe it's not Windows" experience
[13:43] <popey> yeah, I'm not surprised you don't get a reply.
[13:43] <Jim_>  lubotu3 has said something which I didn't understand. I am sorry about it.
[13:43] <popey> lubotu3` is a bot
[13:43] <lubotu3`> Yes, I can confirm that I am a bot. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots for all information.
[13:43] <popey> lulz
[13:44] <daftykins> Jim_: do you think maybe you could also try #ubuntu-in today? :)
[13:44] <daftykins> maybe someone there uses it.
[13:44] <Jim_> This time I need to fix my problem and shouldn't look at IRC chat for the same issue.
[13:46] <Jim_> I am going to #ubuntu-in , #freenode, #ubuntu*  hope they fix my issue.
[13:47] <Jim_> Bye Popey
[13:52] <foobarry> i wouldn't agree that zorin is a "gateway to linux" if you can't get help with it
[13:52] <daftykins> heh
[13:53] <foobarry> gateway to $OLD_OS
[13:53] <Myrtti> which is exactly why I don't install anything but Ubuntu on anyone's machines
[13:54] <daftykins> getting pretty tired of seeing the Ubuntu derivative users come in "but it's Ubuntu really!" ... "but nobody's helping me in its channel!"
[13:54] <foobarry> i sometimes install windows7 if thats what they ask for
[13:54] <daftykins> even had a CentOS user asking for help the other day 0o
[13:54] <foobarry> was it me?
[13:54] <foobarry> :P
[13:54] <daftykins> lol no
[13:54] <daftykins> i think the best yet was yesterday
 what version are you running?
 umm that's a long story, but basically... trunk arch with unity compiled
[13:55] <daftykins> great ¬_¬
[13:55] <foobarry> abandon all hope
[13:56] <foobarry> it seems my previous house owners used the most expensive wooden floor you can buy
[13:56] <daftykins> are you drilling holes in it? :D
[13:57] <foobarry> no, i'm trying to buy more of it
[13:57]  * davmor2 looks over at his Suse 6.3 box and wonders whatever happened to his corel linux box :)
[13:57] <foobarry> £55.34 per m²
[13:59] <Myrtti> foobarry: I just tell them that if they want Windows7, they can ask for someone else for help
[13:59] <Myrtti> mind you, I did help my niece last week to pick the best iPad her money could buy
[13:59] <foobarry> when its ur mum and sibling its not so easy, but agree for othrs
[13:59] <Myrtti> but she knows I can't help her with it beyond that
[14:00] <daftykins> fair enough offer to support what you know, but to force people into a given choice is just silly
[14:00] <foobarry> was jim another of our indian friends?
[14:00] <daftykins> yep
[14:00] <foobarry> maybe popey means support desk in indian
[14:01] <daftykins> probably the same one, masquerading
[14:01] <foobarry> same behaviour but better english
[14:01] <popey> I thought the Jim who dropped by the other day was from the UK
[14:01] <popey> I mtr'ed his IP
[14:02] <daftykins> mtr?
[14:03] <popey> ya
[14:03]  * popey ♥ mtr
[14:03] <daftykins> i just nslookup their IP, usually resolves to a domestic host :>
[14:03] <daftykins> although it's not working on the one over in #ubuntu right now
[14:04] <popey> mtr is fewer keypresses :D
[14:04] <daftykins> that it is! probably isn't on Windows as well though *checks*
[14:04] <daftykins> nope
[14:14] <popey> hate it when i mis-click on suspend instead of shutdown
[14:15] <popey> no no no no noooooooooooo
[14:15] <daftykins> :D
[14:15] <bigcalm> popey: at least it's that way around
[14:15] <popey> well yes
[14:15] <popey> but shutdown has confirmation
[14:15] <popey> suspend doesnt
[14:23] <mjayk> afternoon all
[14:24] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[14:24] <daftykins> greetings
[14:24] <bigcalm> When it comes to shutdown, I get annoyed by clicking restart instead of shutdown :D
[14:26] <zmoylan-pi> make a link to shutdown and put on desktop all on it's tod?
[14:29] <foobarry> i use the power button
[14:29] <foobarry> :S
[14:29] <foobarry> then use arrow keys
[14:29] <foobarry> old skool
[14:29] <popey> RETRO COOL!
[14:29] <bigcalm> On the laptop, I press the power button then touch the screen to shutdown
[14:30] <foobarry> colleague just belched . now i can smell curry. not cool
[14:31] <zmoylan-pi> better up than down
[14:32] <daftykins> animals
[14:33] <mjayk> A
[14:33] <daftykins> B
[14:34] <mjayk> i C what you did thur
[14:34] <daftykins> Did you? :>
[14:35] <mjayk> yEs i did
[14:38] <bigcalm> Fish
[14:41] <diplo> daftykins, WinMTR - standalone app
[14:41] <diplo> Quite good :)
[14:42] <mjayk> urgggggggggggghhh i have zero motivation to write stuff
[14:43] <foobarry> write what
[14:43] <foobarry> love letters?
[14:43] <foobarry> songs? poetry? code?
[14:44] <mjayk> thesis
[14:44] <mjayk> even worse!
[15:02] <awilkins> Learn LaTeX
[15:02] <awilkins> Then you can procrastinate about your thesis much more efficiently
[15:05] <Myrtti> LaTeX ♥
[15:06] <Myrtti> I made the Wedding Survival Guide that we sent out with the invites with LaTeX
[15:06] <Myrtti> gotten nothing but compliments
[15:06] <bashrc> what are the advantages of LaTeX?
[15:06] <awilkins> It's basically a professional typographical syste,
[15:07] <awilkins> Does very attractive document layout without tarting around with Word buttons for 6 hours and swearing and biting the couch
[15:07] <Myrtti> it just works. flat file system that's readable and writable with any text editor, lends itself easily into version control
[15:07] <awilkins> Downside : Arcane
[15:08] <Myrtti> you can get great results with little to no effort, and if you want to you can tweak it to your hearts content
[15:08] <awilkins> Myrtti, you using LyX or straight LaTeX ?
[15:08] <Myrtti> straight latex
[15:08] <Myrtti> lyx is for peons
[15:09] <Myrtti> latex is supported by even Google Docs via an extension
[15:09] <awilkins> My sysadmin is using LyX
[15:09] <awilkins> :-)
[15:09] <awilkins> Oooh
[15:09] <Myrtti> also, pandoc
[15:11] <foobarry> its good for theses and books
[15:12] <awilkins> Yeah, we're kinda doing initial drafts of documents now
[15:12] <Myrtti> and slidesets, and CV's
[15:12] <foobarry> its quite distinctive classic sttyle
[15:12] <foobarry> jury's out on cvs
[15:12] <awilkins> Documents are stone boring, so the techies are doing it with these things
[15:12] <awilkins> I used Markdown / Pandoc and spat forth a PDF
[15:12] <Myrtti> foobarry: as I said, if you configure it enough you can make it sing
[15:12] <awilkins> Didn't look bad but the sysadmin won in terms of prettiness
[15:13] <awilkins> And having a contents index
[15:13] <foobarry> the posters i see are hideous, probably because they are made by scientists
[15:13] <awilkins> Using LyX
[15:13] <Myrtti> awilkins: remind me to make a censored version of the source and pdf and to show it to you
[15:15] <awilkins> Myrtti, Looking at that latex app for Google Docs now. It's shiny.
[15:20] <Myrtti> is the Amazon Lightning Deal Aquatouch shaver any good?
[15:22] <Myrtti> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004XIBAT0/ this one
[15:24] <davmor2> Myrtti: it'll work as well as any other phillips shaver I would image, does that help at all?
[15:25] <Myrtti> I suppose
[15:25] <Myrtti> I think I'll order it
[15:35] <foobarry> they philips shavers chew my face
[15:35] <foobarry> YMMV
[15:35] <foobarry> bought one and couldn't use it
[15:37] <Myrtti> he already uses one *shrug*
[15:38] <foobarry> at what filesize does sqlite become unrealistic for use?
[15:39] <daftykins> what an incredibly unlikely amazon link http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00KFAGCUM/
[15:40] <foobarry> spoke to a bloke and got really good pre-sale service. then i realised a place near me has it and for £50 cheaper (free shipping). feel bad now
[15:41] <awilkins> foobarry, The absolute max is 140TB
[15:41] <foobarry> currently reading http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3630/sqlite-vs-mysql
[15:42] <awilkins> foobarry, The limits for sqlite are more likely to do with wanting concurrent access, than data size
[15:42] <foobarry> basically i have a large flat file of 1.3G that needs dumping to db for better querying
[15:42] <awilkins> daftykins, Wow, they got big fast
[15:43] <foobarry> so if my queries got done "offline" rather than dynamically done upon user request then should be fine
[15:43] <awilkins> 512GB for £150 ... paid £120 for 64GB a few years ago
[15:44] <awilkins> foobarry, 1.3GB should be fine for that sort of thing... if anything, sqlite has lower overheads than a traditional CLient / Server database
[15:51] <foobarry> it seems so, especially for read-heavy queries
[16:19] <DJones> Aaaaarrrrrgggghhhhh!!!!!!!! Will anybody swap elbows, while a cortisone injection settles down for the next few days
[16:19] <daftykins> hahaha, what do they feel like?
[16:20] <DJones> Nasty
[16:20] <DJones> Injection doesn't hurt, but the next 3-4 days will be agony
[16:20] <DJones> Little to no use of the arm
[16:21] <daftykins> hah
[16:21] <daftykins> i've already had that since my bike accident :>
[16:22] <daftykins> it can be a pretty trying time
[16:23] <DJones> Yep, had one 6 months ago that worked for a while, 2nd one now, its just the constant ache that bugs me
[16:23] <DJones> Ooh, nice, Bladerunner sequel being made
[16:29] <bigcalm> Hi peeps :)
[16:29] <bigcalm> My ubuntu desktop is failing to load. After logging in via lightdm, the background updates but Unity doesn't load.
[16:30] <bigcalm> In case it was a Unity issue, I installed kubuntu-desktop. Rebooted, selected KDE from lightdm and logged in. The background changes to black and nothing else gets loaded
[16:30] <awilkins> Does it do that for a new user profile?
[16:30] <bigcalm> In both instances, the mouse pointer can be moved around the screen but it doesn't interact with anything
[16:30] <bigcalm> Also, ctrl+alt+t doesn't bring up a terminal
[16:31] <bigcalm> I think I checked that, but I'll check again
[16:31] <bigcalm> Yes, I selected the guest session and the same thing happens
[16:47] <mapps> hello
[16:52] <DJones> Is it me you're looking for
[16:57] <mapps> raining again
[16:57] <mapps> :(
[16:57] <daftykins> XD
[16:58] <daftykins> DJones: +1 for that
[16:58] <mapps> its raining but warm but still feel stupid wearing shorts
[16:58] <mapps> :D
[16:58] <mapps> hate getting soggy jeans tho
[16:59] <mapps> booked a flight to heathrow on BA and it says i get 23kilo in hold 1 bag carry on + laptop bag..thats pretty good..the other airlines say laptop bag counts as carry on iirc so i always chuck it in my bag
[16:59] <mapps> :)
[17:00] <shauno> meh, ryanair let you take a laptop bag now :p
[17:00] <mapps> ah now
[17:00] <mapps> thats good
[17:02] <mapps> im always almost near my max allowances
[17:02] <mapps> but then i do take 2 laptops and a tablet in my carry on
[17:03] <mapps> is it possible to turn up at an airport and say youll go ANYWHERE and get chreap tickets? ive heard people claim it is..but dont necessarily believe it - every flighrt ive been on has been full
[17:07] <awilkins> Maybe it's possible if you're ok waiting
[17:07] <awilkins> They are always super dead keen to put bums on all the seats
[17:07] <awilkins> They upgraded me and a pal to "economy plus" (the plus is 2 inches more legroom - well worth the extra money for a 10 hours flight)
[17:08] <mapps> im off 8th-13th december and wanna go somewhere
[17:08] <mapps> dont care where
[17:08] <awilkins> I imagine on a big plane the statistical likelyhood of a no-show is pretty high
[17:08] <mapps> like we considered estapona then on to marbella then malaga and grandad all easy for us
[17:08] <mapps> but id go anywhere poland..italy whatever..aslong as return isnt 10x more
[17:08] <mapps> my flight to Latvia 32gbp return 150 LOL and this was in advance
[17:08] <m0nkey_> domestic, standby is doable. european (one stop), can be done. International, forget it.
[17:43] <daftykins> hrmm got a chap with a Toshiba based on an AMD E1-1200 APU that's being really awkward to boot
[17:43] <daftykins> i've had to revert to suggesting a mini.iso install, just doesn't get anywhere either in EFI or legacy boot with a 64-bit desktop ISO
[18:01] <shauno> hm.  you know a script's going wrong when you download an 8Mb file that contains only commas.
[18:03] <daftykins> shauno: :D
[18:04] <daftykins> shauno: comma comma comma chameleon
[18:05] <shauno> :|
[18:05] <shauno> you've been spending too much time with Dan  lol
[18:07] <shauno> hm.  I wonder if I can sneak that in there.  "if I have 8 million null values, print 'chameleon'"
[18:15] <shauno> I think I'm doing this wrong.  rearranging an array shouldn't peg an i7 for 30 seconds
[18:20] <daftykins> crikey, i would hope not
[18:21] <daftykins> what on earth would prevent GRUB install from working 0o
[18:32] <daftykins> ah, that'd be it - the hard disk is /dev/sdb
[18:33] <daftykins> go go gadget grub-installer from busybox
[18:52] <daftykins> if transplanting a laptop's hard disk into a desktop, can it be slaved to the current OS and GRUB installed do it with "grub-install /dev/sdx" easily enough?
[18:52] <daftykins> s/do it/to it/
[19:08] <diddledan> yawn
[19:08] <diddledan> so I missed daylight
[19:08] <daftykins> diddledan: :O!
[19:09] <daftykins> yeah i got that way a while back :( it's not good
[19:09] <daftykins> diddledan: are you any good with GRUB installs? :D
[19:09] <diddledan> so, I can now tell you what the press release was that I mentioned last night
[19:09] <daftykins> yay!
[19:09] <diddledan> http://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmic/
[19:10] <diddledan> it's the "how well is your police force doing" stuff
[19:19] <DJones> diddledan: Not very well I'd say, walked the dog last night, copper in patrol on his to a crime stopped after driving round our entire estate and asked me how to get to the supposed crime scene
[19:20] <DJones> in patrol car
[19:21] <daftykins> uh-oh
[19:22] <diddledan> DJones, I only do the website :-p
[19:22] <DJones> You could say that, could job the crime he said he was going to was only kids smoking dope and not an in progress murder
[19:23] <daftykins> :D
[19:34] <diddledan> 1 hour ago on the ubuntu touch mailing list: " image #10 is considered to be our 'Gold Master' image.
[19:34] <diddledan> "
[19:35] <diddledan> actually 2 hours nearly - gmail sucks at times
[19:40] <diddledan> http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11/26/earth-wrapped-in-star-trek-force-fields_n_6227676.html
[19:43] <daftykins> is it still worth installing "ubuntu-desktop^" if i've got someone to do a mini install?
[19:43] <daftykins> or does the ^  not matter?
[19:43] <daftykins> i remember popey mentioning it
[19:43] <daftykins> this is 14.04.1
[19:58] <diddledan> looks like our infrastructure held up today for the hmic site - peaked at about 2000req/min
[19:58] <diddledan> that was between 10 and 12
[19:59] <diddledan> we're still averaging around 250-500 req/min now
[20:00] <daftykins> :>
[20:13] <mapps> this film the maze runner is coo
[20:14] <mapps> five fruits bulmers hm never had that before
[20:15] <mapps> are you allowed to bring spirits in hold luggae? was gonna bring 2 bottles of woods rum for my dad like 6 quid here 25 quid for 70cl in uk
[20:15] <mapps> £6.50 here
[20:16] <mapps> also it says you can only take 1 bottle of spirits and 400 cigs...if i took more with me and they searched my case or whatever what happens? i get it confiscated..i get a fine? or can i just pay the tax and keep it? not even sure what the tax would be
[20:17] <mapps> unsure of how it all works..and do the airport people care if i have 2 bottles in my hand luggage yet only allowed 1? or is it only at UK end id have prblems?
[20:18] <daftykins> maze runner 0o
[20:18] <daftykins> that reminds me
[20:18] <daftykins> hear the good news?
[20:18] <daftykins> Blade Runner sequel!
[20:19] <mapps> nice
[20:19] <mapps> yea its cool daftykins  im 51mins in got an hour left
[20:19] <mapps> any idea about my flight qs?
[20:19] <mapps> would the staff at gib airport care?
[20:19] <mapps> or would it just be UK end i may get hassle
[20:19] <daftykins> oh didn't see that
[20:20] <mapps> im not sure how it all works would gib just let me fly with whatever as they dont care or does the airport you fly from enforce the destination country rules
[20:20] <daftykins> never bought duty free or alc i'm afraid
[20:20] <daftykins> i'm a good boy
[20:20] <mapps> its 6.50 a bottle!! so cheap
[20:20] <mapps> £6 a litre of stoli
[20:20] <mapps> i might just buy like 5 bottles and chance it
[20:21] <mapps> worst case scenario i lose a few quid i think
[20:22] <daftykins> ;]
[20:24] <diddledan> I feel saddened: http://www.newser.com/story/199159/plug-pulled-on-worlds-2nd-most-watched-clock.html
[20:25] <awilkins> £6 for a litre of stoli is good
[20:33] <shauno> mapps: the allowance for spirits is only 1litre
[20:33] <shauno> if they catch you over that, you pay %*£28.22 + VAT
[20:33] <mapps> what that mean
[20:34] <mapps> % 20.22?
[20:34] <shauno> the excise is 28.22 per litre of actual alcohol
[20:34] <shauno> so, eg, if you have one litre of 40% spirit, you have 0.4 litres, so you pay 0.4*28.22
[20:34] <mapps> hm
[20:35] <shauno> (plus VAT afterwards heh)
[20:35] <mapps> so thatd be 11 quid and what would vat be?
[20:36] <mapps> but what about what i asked re the departure airport..would they care if there's 2 bottles in my hand luggage when its scanned
[20:36] <mapps> or would they just wave it through
[20:36] <shauno> I actually have no idea how they figure the vat.  logically it'd be what you paid (purchase+excise) * 20%, but .. I've no idea how they'd figure out what you paid originally
[20:37] <shauno> I don't think the departing airport tend to care.  as long as it's not liable to explode, it's not their problem
[20:37] <mapps> yea
[20:38] <mapps> jhm cant do what i planned either buy 2 bottles morrisons 1 hand and 1 in hold..cant have any liquids . 100ml in hand of course
[20:39] <mapps> and if i have them in the hold 100% theyd know when its scanned on arrival at heathrow?
[20:39] <shauno> no idea about that bit.  technically you declare it at customs ;)
[20:40] <shauno> (and you can have more than 100ml in your carry-on.  you just can't take more than 100ml through security.  if you buy it after that, it's clear)
[20:40] <mapps> iyou do? i thought they just see it when its scanned and automaticxaLLY bug you
[20:40] <mapps> if the departing airport let you buy over 1 litre and you put it in hand luggage surely the arrivla airport wouldnt know? ------ they dont check hand lkuggage on landing?
[20:41] <TheBlackRussian> How can i write Russian in LibreOffice Writer? It wont allow me to copy and paste russian words in
[20:41] <shauno> I honestly have no idea how they 'catch' you.  I tend to run out of suitcase long before I have to worry about that :)
[20:41] <mapps> hm not sure TheBlackRussian  set it to UTF8? is that maybe why
[20:41] <TheBlackRussian> how can i do that?
[20:42] <daftykins> TheBlackRussian: go ask your Russian friends in #ubuntu-ru
[20:42] <daftykins> shockingly none of us write Russian very often
[20:42] <mapps> heh
[20:43] <TheBlackRussian> Im not asking you to write in russian, im ask you how CAN I WRITE RUSSIAN in libreoffice
[20:43] <diddledan> we don't know because we've never done it
[20:43] <daftykins> ^
[20:43] <mapps> http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/russian-dictionary-pack
[20:43] <mapps> check site
[20:44] <mapps> it oibv supports russian
[20:44] <daftykins> TheBlackRussian: i understood you the first time and my statement still stands
[20:44] <daftykins> TheBlackRussian: maybe i should go ask how to write chinese in #ubuntu-fr ?
[20:44] <daftykins> similar goal.
[20:44] <shauno> I'd suspect libreoffice-l10n-ru - office productivity suite -- Russian language package
[20:44] <shauno> but that's guesswork
[20:45] <shauno> well, grepwork
[20:45]  * diddledan greps shauno 
[20:45] <daftykins> no hits
[20:45]  * shauno awks
[20:45] <TheBlackRussian> well, if you want to write something in a language and you cant i would expect one to come here seeking for support. The person doesnt want to chinese here but want to find a solution to the problem
[20:45] <shauno> hm, really?  I just assumed it'd be the same thing in debian.  sorry :)
[20:45] <zmoylan-pi> that's what he sed :-P
[20:46] <diddledan> TheBlackRussian, this is #ubuntu-uk - the hint is we're british
[20:46] <daftykins> TheBlackRussian: this is a damned -UK channel
[20:46] <daftykins> TheBlackRussian: you need to start using the MAIN support channel, #ubuntu
[20:46] <diddledan> we really need to fix this issue
[20:46]  * daftykins hands diddledan the rope
[20:46] <shauno> TheBlackRussian: no-one's trying to be rude, just that -uk isn't the ideal place for that.  the british are famously monolingual, so we lack any experience with the issue.  you might want to try #ubuntu proper, or #ubuntu-ru for people who'd have experience with cyrilic-specifics
[20:47]  * diddledan makes a noose
[20:47] <diddledan> how is that word even supposed to be spelt?
[20:47] <TheBlackRussian> the last time i checked the uk it was full of poles and asians!
[20:47] <mapps> ;]
[20:47] <shauno> probably not like that.  but as an aside, I challenge anyone to say cyrilic-specific ten times fast ;)
[20:47] <diddledan> TheBlackRussian, but they don't consider themselves british, so they don't hang around in british places
[20:48] <mapps> yea
[20:48] <TheBlackRussian> Do you live in London?
[20:48] <mapps> nie
[20:48] <diddledan> nope
[20:48] <diddledan> do you?
[20:48] <TheBlackRussian> yes
[20:49] <diddledan> well twist my nipple nuts and call me susan!
[20:49] <diddledan> that surprised me
[20:49] <TheBlackRussian> My point is, try taking a bus in london. Its full of the poles and asians
[20:49] <mapps> thats true
[20:49] <TheBlackRussian> to be honest with you i dont think a british is on a bus most of the time.
[20:50] <TheBlackRussian> i only see them in rush hour. Other than that its impossible to find a white british on a bus
[20:50] <diddledan> but anyway, we're trying to help you get the best help you can for your issue - as you're trying to write in russian the best places to find specific help on that issue are #ubuntu-ru and #ubuntu
[20:50] <mapps> TheBlackRussian,  ave a look at what shauno  said
[20:50] <daftykins> TheBlackRussian: enough, go to the relevant channels.
[20:51] <TheBlackRussian> im going to ignore you dafty for a while since its had been clearly shown i have owned your arse in that agrument.
[20:52] <TheBlackRussian> Where is the tool bar in libra
[20:53] <diddledan> wb mapps
[20:53] <diddledan> map
[20:53] <daftykins> i cannot stand this delinquent
[20:54] <TheBlackRussian> a delinquent? i have yet to committed anything
[20:55] <intrbiz> except for casual racism
[20:56] <daftykins> TheBlackRussian: do you forget how much i helped you, only for you to give me attitude and no word of thanks - i tell you where to ask questions for better support and yet you still sit here wasting our time
[20:56] <diddledan> http://t.co/ZXHAUccHpr
[20:56] <daftykins> you are not worthy of assistance.
[20:56] <diddledan> cute
[20:56] <shauno> can we just ignore it and see if it goes away?
[20:56] <TheBlackRussian> the thing is, a. i was a bit drunk. and b i dont want to go to the ru verison when i can speak prefect english
[20:57] <daftykins> shauno: *nod*
[20:57] <intrbiz> TheBlackRussian: on a serious note, I think you need too look at the input frameworks, like ibus or scim
[20:57] <intrbiz> but most of us here will never have used stuff like that
[20:58] <TheBlackRussian> mapps solved the issue
[20:59] <TheBlackRussian> or maybe not
[21:00] <map> see what intrbiz said TheBlackRussian
[21:01] <TheBlackRussian> i just go on window 7 and do it from office...
[21:01] <diddledan> >.<
[21:01] <diddledan> msoffice is not the solution. the solution is to ask someone who can help - we can't.
[21:02] <intrbiz> TheBlackRussian: Have a look in system preferences, keyboard, layouts
[21:02] <intrbiz> TheBlackRussian: I suspect you need to add a Russian keyboard layout and configure a key to toggle between
[21:02] <diddledan> in related question. is msoffice _ever_ the solution to anything?
[21:02] <directhex> yes.
[21:02] <shauno> yes.  excel>*
[21:02] <diddledan> aah
[21:03] <shauno> there is no finer torture implement I'm afraid.
[21:03] <directhex> msoffice is the right solution if you already have a lot of institutional msoffice use - macros, training, etc
[21:03] <intrbiz> Is suspect Google will be more help with switching keyboard layouts than us lot.
[21:03] <directhex> can be cheaper than retraining
[21:03] <intrbiz> TBH, not used MS officer for years now
[21:03] <intrbiz> but then I rarely use office programs it seems
[21:04] <diddledan> intrbiz, I don't seem to use office suites very much either
[21:04] <diddledan> I need to keep them about becuase people send me screenshots inside an msword document
[21:04] <TheBlackRussian> How can i remove ubuntu?
[21:05] <intrbiz> I seem to use plain text / mark down more and more these days
[21:05] <TheBlackRussian> made up my mind, i want ubuntu gone
[21:05] <intrbiz> TheBlackRussian: I suggest you ask that somewhere else
[21:05] <TheBlackRussian> its useless and is driving me nuts. You cant do basic things on it
[21:05] <daftykins> troll shows its' colours more and more.
[21:05] <TheBlackRussian> im not a troll, not sick and tried of using a os
[21:05] <TheBlackRussian> which is not for me
[21:06] <diddledan> webchat, too
[21:06] <diddledan> driveby mormon
[21:06] <intrbiz> what an <insert favourite expletive>
[21:07] <diddledan> intrbiz, you did well not to say that while he was here :-p
[21:08] <intrbiz> diddledan: yeh, might have been thinking it, I couldn't work out if it was sarcasm lost over IM, or just a bit of an arse
[21:08] <daftykins> my favourite bit was being called German last time after helping for hours
[21:09] <diddledan> daftykins, lol. that's somewhat random.
[21:09] <intrbiz> daftykins: in a good way?
[21:11] <daftykins> nah, it was an attempt at an insult out of nowhere 0o
[21:11] <diddledan> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10616268_981684045185940_203971364100268727_n.jpg?oh=56a3272b20b643873749cdecd1ca77cb&oe=5517E989&__gda__=1423308535_13aad614b7966c11c9ed0ea3f26d042e
[21:11] <daftykins> i'm not German but i wouldn't find it a problem :(
[21:11] <diddledan> that's a fun url
[21:11] <diddledan> facebook, Y U DO DIS!
[21:12] <intrbiz> daftykins: right, seems a strange insult
[21:18] <shauno> I'm so confused.  germans are bad at pasting russian?
[21:18] <intrbiz> shauno: huh?
[21:18] <shauno> exactly
[22:02] <map> hm
[22:02] <map> if i stay here flights to ibz are only 60 quid..so cheap
[22:07] <daftykins> i thought that was a 90s thing :D
[22:07] <map> i just wanna go everywhere...may aswell
[22:08] <shauno> ibiza isn't really 'everywhere' .. it's just drinking in a different spanish bar :p
[22:10] <map> ;]
[22:19] <nathanm> hi
[22:20] <nathanm> can u answer a quetion
[22:20] <intrbiz> helps if you tell us the question first
[22:21] <nathanm> what does ls | grep D mean
[22:21] <intrbiz> it means: execute 'ls' pipe it to 'grep' and look for the string 'D'
[22:22] <intrbiz> the | character will redirect the output of a program to the input of another program
[22:22] <intrbiz> the ls program will list files
[22:22] <nathanm> what does ls > list mean and ls >> list
[22:22] <intrbiz> the grep program will search the input with a regex
[22:23] <nathanm> how do you create a new directory
[22:23] <intrbiz> the > and >> will redirect the program output to a file, the >> means append > means overwite
[22:23] <intrbiz> nathanm: mkdir
[22:23] <intrbiz> mkdir directory_name
[22:23] <intrbiz> or mkdir /full/path/to/directory_name
[22:24] <nathanm> how do you create a text file in terminal
[22:25] <intrbiz> vim /path/to/file
[22:25] <intrbiz> will open the vim editor to edit (or create) a file
[22:25] <nathanm> thanks for your help much appriciated :)
[22:26] <intrbiz> nathanm: there are plenty of good tutorials on line for the Linux CLI / Bash
[22:56] <map> have to remember to get an extension socket thing soon
[22:56] <map> have to unplug one laptop to use other
[22:56] <map> :D
[22:56] <map> well ok i can use both..but battery doesnt last forever ;[
[23:46] <directhex> if anyone cares, xbone plus AC5 plus AC4 will be ~cheap on amazon in 15 mins
[23:53] <directhex> ps4 with driveclub 30 mins later
[23:55] <diddledan> just finished watching "the code" - was good
[23:55] <diddledan> 6 hour-long eps
[23:56] <diddledan> I don't get paid until around 2-4pm tomorrow tho
[23:56] <diddledan> damned amazon
[23:56] <diddledan> :-p