=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:19] * m0nkey_ tickles diddledan [00:32] Popsicle! [00:34] :o [00:48] the wife did that [00:49] lol, do you guys know diddledan? [00:49] That'll teach me not to hit Super+L [00:49] Yeah, long time. [00:49] you poor poor... [00:49] ;D [00:49] First knew him from IrCQNet [00:49] Wow, approx 10+ years ago [00:49] I'm old [00:50] bbiab.. play time (GTA) [00:51] morning [00:51] hey shauno_, how goes it? [00:51] same old same old :) [00:52] :D [00:52] * daftykins sips Guinness === shauno_ is now known as shauno [00:54] shauno, ircqnet, shaun per chance? [00:54] yup [00:54] :O [00:54] heh [00:54] I have very little imagination when it comes to nicks [00:55] Probably know me as Wellard, used to be CtrlAltDel.. long time ago [00:55] oh hah, hey dave [00:55] yeah, he remembers [00:55] :) [00:55] how goes it? [00:55] still alive! [00:55] diddledan told me you hang here [04:59] hi [06:16] strange noone awake for once [07:57] morning all [08:27] ls -a [08:36] This is not the terminal you are looking for [08:41] lol === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [09:34] Good morning all; happy Phillip Hughes Day! :-D [09:36] morning JamesTait [09:36] MooDoo, o/ [09:39] aloha [09:40] czajkowski, \o [09:42] hows things? [09:43] saw an adorable pug pigy bank and thought of bash last week [09:44] https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bonkers-Bash/739967579348639?fref=ts [09:44] most up to date pics [09:46] loved the "why don't you play with me" picture lol [09:54] yes he does give that face a lot while I try and work [09:55] awwwww lol [09:57] morning boys and girls. [09:57] greetings earthlings. [09:58] morning zmoylan-pi [10:04] arggh lightning deals :( [10:04] i should wait until december to buy presents because amazon are getting me to buy more [10:05] at least the web will be faster today as americans are stuck with family in a reduced number of locations and the bandwidth of their parents sucks === JamesTai1 is now known as JamesTait [10:29] JamesTait: why would you be happy at someones death and then laugh about it at the end ;) [10:40] Good morning peeps :) [10:40] o/ [10:47] morning bigcalm what time did you guys leave last night? [10:54] davmor2: about 10ish. Did you turn up after that? [11:07] bigcalm: no I knocked off around then and thought about coming up just as well I didn't :) [11:09] Ah, yes [11:09] davmor2: you will be coming to the xmas meet/meal though, right? [11:09] bigcalm: indeed === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [12:00] I feel like I'm being judged http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-11-27-115941.png [12:02] That would be a nice thing to see on my phone === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [12:03] popey: that or he is wishing for a phone call :D [12:07] I might put this on mine http://i.imgur.com/939hV8R.jpg [12:08] i usually just make a jpg with my phone number on it [12:10] https://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/537940305530855424 co working today :D [12:10] yeah, i grabbed all those wallpapers [12:10] hmm http://paradoxgirl.com/ [12:18] OK girls and boys, I'm in quite dire need of a phone [12:19] Nexus 5 [12:19] Not got a lot to spend, £100 -> £200 max as I'm rather skint [12:19] Second hand is ok, or maybe the new Moto ones that Tesco sell ? [12:20] * zmoylan-pi recommends nokia feature phone. terrible but indestructible and does web, email, mp3s, radio, ereader, irc if you're patient [12:20] Tesco would be a good place to shop. There are loads of smart phones for less than 100 quid [12:20] Moto G [12:20] diplo: wait till tomorrow and see what is on offer in the black friday sale? === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:20] Yeah probably am davmor2, just thought I'd ask recommendations here [12:20] I know we live in a global market, but that annoys me that such things make it over here [12:20] I was bidding on an S4 on Ebay yesterday for £130 [12:21] my current nokia is from tescos where it was €29 :-) [12:21] I've still got my 6310 zmoylan-pi, still works :) [12:21] diplo: unless moto's policy has changed they tend to suck for updates [12:22] Until recently weren't they a google part, they still suck ? And to be honest I'm quite happy Roming a phone [12:22] and when ever people ask i take it out and bonk it of floor or furniture to show indestructability :-D [12:22] if you want something new with that money, then Moto G [12:23] diplo: ^ I would say not anymore then is Myrtti 's comment is anything to go by [12:23] if you're fine with second hand, then Nexus 5 or her ilk. [12:24] I'm just ebaying it now Myrtti thanks [12:24] but Moto G seems good value for the money and had it been available when I was buying a phone for my sister a year ago, I would've gotten it instead of a second hand Nexus 4 [12:24] yeah I've bought one for my dad, he likes it but doesn't use it [12:24] Like I would [12:25] there's a new version of it, I can't remember what they changed but IIRC it's still good value for the 150 whatever it is [12:25] my sister adores her Nexus 4 :-) [12:33] Such ranging prices on ebay ( also don't like buying things like phones from ebay ) :/ [12:33] Going to look at the MotoG as well, pop in store or something [12:33] yeah, it's always a hassle [12:42] diplo, Daughter has a Moto G ; I have no complaints [12:42] Apparently getting a Lollipop upgrade soon also [12:44] davmor2, You'd expect Motorola to be pretty sharp on updates... when they were owned by Google. But Lenovo own them now. [12:45] awilkins: they were awful but only in the uk in the us they were really on the ball [12:45] I was going to say. When I had the Xoom tablet, it got bugger all updates [12:45] This is why I have a Nexus 4 [12:46] Nexii 4 & 7 both got a nice factory-wipe and upgrade to 5 [12:46] I like it [12:46] Although possibly I like having a nice clean device with fewer apps on too... [12:48] sister got her L OTA on Nexus 4 day before [12:48] needed a bit of fumbling to get it to download but nothing a reboot wouldn't solve [12:49] Yeah, doing a factory install is rather a fiddle [12:49] I was bored [12:50] Reading the specs of the Nexus 6. It completely poops all over PCs I owned until recently [12:51] can it run ubuntu? [12:51] It's screen completely poops all over all the main PC monitors I own*right now* [12:51] I'm sure some enterprising soul will get Ubuntu running on it === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [13:39] Can you guys help me how I should automate the skype in Zorion OS. I am feeling a bit annoyed to turn it on soon after restarting the sys everytime though. [13:40] i believe Zorin may have their own support channel, on freenode [13:40] hey daftykins could you please direct me how I should head to that freenode? [13:40] Thanks for the reply by the way. [13:40] someone might feel helpful and try to help you, but this is an Ubuntu channel for Ubuntu... despite one being based on another it doesn't make them the same [13:41] well, they might have info on their website... otherwise you can try querying alis [13:41] !alis [13:41] alis is a services bot that can help you find channels. Read "/msg alis help list" . For more help or questions relating to alis, please join #freenode. Example usage: /msg alis list #ubuntu* or /msg alis list *http* [13:41] Jim_: /join #zorinos [13:42] HI popey you came again. Thanks. [13:42] there's like 10 people in there though, so you may need to wait a while in there [13:42] Oh. I have been to http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ZorinOS&uio=OT10cnVlJjExPTIxNQ6cunder%20help-%3Eirc and none helps me here. [13:42] :( [13:42] ah Zorin, for the "i can't believe it's not Windows" experience [13:43] yeah, I'm not surprised you don't get a reply. [13:43] lubotu3 has said something which I didn't understand. I am sorry about it. [13:43] lubotu3` is a bot [13:43] Yes, I can confirm that I am a bot. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots for all information. [13:43] lulz [13:44] Jim_: do you think maybe you could also try #ubuntu-in today? :) [13:44] maybe someone there uses it. [13:44] This time I need to fix my problem and shouldn't look at IRC chat for the same issue. [13:46] I am going to #ubuntu-in , #freenode, #ubuntu* hope they fix my issue. [13:47] Bye Popey [13:52] i wouldn't agree that zorin is a "gateway to linux" if you can't get help with it [13:52] heh [13:53] gateway to $OLD_OS [13:53] which is exactly why I don't install anything but Ubuntu on anyone's machines [13:54] getting pretty tired of seeing the Ubuntu derivative users come in "but it's Ubuntu really!" ... "but nobody's helping me in its channel!" [13:54] i sometimes install windows7 if thats what they ask for [13:54] even had a CentOS user asking for help the other day 0o [13:54] was it me? [13:54] :P [13:54] lol no [13:54] i think the best yet was yesterday [13:55] what version are you running? [13:55] umm that's a long story, but basically... trunk arch with unity compiled [13:55] great ¬_¬ [13:55] abandon all hope [13:56] it seems my previous house owners used the most expensive wooden floor you can buy [13:56] are you drilling holes in it? :D [13:57] no, i'm trying to buy more of it [13:57] * davmor2 looks over at his Suse 6.3 box and wonders whatever happened to his corel linux box :) [13:57] £55.34 per m² [13:59] foobarry: I just tell them that if they want Windows7, they can ask for someone else for help [13:59] mind you, I did help my niece last week to pick the best iPad her money could buy [13:59] when its ur mum and sibling its not so easy, but agree for othrs [13:59] but she knows I can't help her with it beyond that [14:00] fair enough offer to support what you know, but to force people into a given choice is just silly [14:00] was jim another of our indian friends? [14:00] yep [14:00] maybe popey means support desk in indian [14:01] probably the same one, masquerading [14:01] same behaviour but better english [14:01] I thought the Jim who dropped by the other day was from the UK [14:01] I mtr'ed his IP [14:02] mtr? [14:03] ya [14:03] * popey ♥ mtr [14:03] i just nslookup their IP, usually resolves to a domestic host :> [14:03] although it's not working on the one over in #ubuntu right now [14:04] mtr is fewer keypresses :D [14:04] that it is! probably isn't on Windows as well though *checks* [14:04] nope [14:14] hate it when i mis-click on suspend instead of shutdown [14:15] no no no no noooooooooooo [14:15] :D [14:15] popey: at least it's that way around [14:15] well yes [14:15] but shutdown has confirmation [14:15] suspend doesnt [14:23] afternoon all [14:24] Fair enough [14:24] greetings [14:24] When it comes to shutdown, I get annoyed by clicking restart instead of shutdown :D [14:26] make a link to shutdown and put on desktop all on it's tod? === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [14:29] i use the power button [14:29] :S [14:29] then use arrow keys [14:29] old skool [14:29] RETRO COOL! [14:29] On the laptop, I press the power button then touch the screen to shutdown [14:30] colleague just belched . now i can smell curry. not cool [14:31] better up than down [14:32] animals === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [14:33] A [14:33] B [14:34] i C what you did thur [14:34] Did you? :> [14:35] yEs i did [14:38] Fish [14:41] daftykins, WinMTR - standalone app [14:41] Quite good :) [14:42] urgggggggggggghhh i have zero motivation to write stuff [14:43] write what [14:43] love letters? [14:43] songs? poetry? code? [14:44] thesis [14:44] even worse! [15:02] Learn LaTeX [15:02] Then you can procrastinate about your thesis much more efficiently [15:05] LaTeX ♥ [15:06] I made the Wedding Survival Guide that we sent out with the invites with LaTeX [15:06] gotten nothing but compliments [15:06] what are the advantages of LaTeX? [15:06] It's basically a professional typographical syste, [15:07] Does very attractive document layout without tarting around with Word buttons for 6 hours and swearing and biting the couch [15:07] it just works. flat file system that's readable and writable with any text editor, lends itself easily into version control [15:07] Downside : Arcane [15:08] you can get great results with little to no effort, and if you want to you can tweak it to your hearts content [15:08] Myrtti, you using LyX or straight LaTeX ? [15:08] straight latex [15:08] lyx is for peons [15:09] latex is supported by even Google Docs via an extension [15:09] My sysadmin is using LyX [15:09] :-) [15:09] Oooh [15:09] also, pandoc [15:11] its good for theses and books [15:12] Yeah, we're kinda doing initial drafts of documents now [15:12] and slidesets, and CV's [15:12] its quite distinctive classic sttyle [15:12] jury's out on cvs [15:12] Documents are stone boring, so the techies are doing it with these things [15:12] I used Markdown / Pandoc and spat forth a PDF [15:12] foobarry: as I said, if you configure it enough you can make it sing [15:12] Didn't look bad but the sysadmin won in terms of prettiness [15:13] And having a contents index [15:13] the posters i see are hideous, probably because they are made by scientists [15:13] Using LyX [15:13] awilkins: remind me to make a censored version of the source and pdf and to show it to you [15:15] Myrtti, Looking at that latex app for Google Docs now. It's shiny. [15:20] is the Amazon Lightning Deal Aquatouch shaver any good? [15:22] http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004XIBAT0/ this one [15:24] Myrtti: it'll work as well as any other phillips shaver I would image, does that help at all? [15:25] I suppose [15:25] I think I'll order it === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === lubotu3` is now known as lubotu3 [15:35] they philips shavers chew my face [15:35] YMMV [15:35] bought one and couldn't use it [15:37] he already uses one *shrug* [15:38] at what filesize does sqlite become unrealistic for use? [15:39] what an incredibly unlikely amazon link http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00KFAGCUM/ [15:40] spoke to a bloke and got really good pre-sale service. then i realised a place near me has it and for £50 cheaper (free shipping). feel bad now [15:41] foobarry, The absolute max is 140TB [15:41] currently reading http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3630/sqlite-vs-mysql [15:42] foobarry, The limits for sqlite are more likely to do with wanting concurrent access, than data size [15:42] basically i have a large flat file of 1.3G that needs dumping to db for better querying [15:42] daftykins, Wow, they got big fast [15:43] so if my queries got done "offline" rather than dynamically done upon user request then should be fine [15:43] 512GB for £150 ... paid £120 for 64GB a few years ago [15:44] foobarry, 1.3GB should be fine for that sort of thing... if anything, sqlite has lower overheads than a traditional CLient / Server database [15:51] it seems so, especially for read-heavy queries [16:19] Aaaaarrrrrgggghhhhh!!!!!!!! Will anybody swap elbows, while a cortisone injection settles down for the next few days [16:19] hahaha, what do they feel like? [16:20] Nasty [16:20] Injection doesn't hurt, but the next 3-4 days will be agony [16:20] Little to no use of the arm [16:21] hah [16:21] i've already had that since my bike accident :> [16:22] it can be a pretty trying time [16:23] Yep, had one 6 months ago that worked for a while, 2nd one now, its just the constant ache that bugs me [16:23] Ooh, nice, Bladerunner sequel being made [16:29] Hi peeps :) [16:29] My ubuntu desktop is failing to load. After logging in via lightdm, the background updates but Unity doesn't load. [16:30] In case it was a Unity issue, I installed kubuntu-desktop. Rebooted, selected KDE from lightdm and logged in. The background changes to black and nothing else gets loaded [16:30] Does it do that for a new user profile? [16:30] In both instances, the mouse pointer can be moved around the screen but it doesn't interact with anything [16:30] Also, ctrl+alt+t doesn't bring up a terminal [16:31] I think I checked that, but I'll check again [16:31] Yes, I selected the guest session and the same thing happens [16:47] hello [16:52] Is it me you're looking for [16:57] raining again [16:57] :( [16:57] XD [16:58] DJones: +1 for that [16:58] its raining but warm but still feel stupid wearing shorts [16:58] :D [16:58] hate getting soggy jeans tho [16:59] booked a flight to heathrow on BA and it says i get 23kilo in hold 1 bag carry on + laptop bag..thats pretty good..the other airlines say laptop bag counts as carry on iirc so i always chuck it in my bag [16:59] :) [17:00] meh, ryanair let you take a laptop bag now :p [17:00] ah now [17:00] thats good [17:02] im always almost near my max allowances [17:02] but then i do take 2 laptops and a tablet in my carry on [17:03] is it possible to turn up at an airport and say youll go ANYWHERE and get chreap tickets? ive heard people claim it is..but dont necessarily believe it - every flighrt ive been on has been full [17:07] Maybe it's possible if you're ok waiting [17:07] They are always super dead keen to put bums on all the seats [17:07] They upgraded me and a pal to "economy plus" (the plus is 2 inches more legroom - well worth the extra money for a 10 hours flight) [17:08] im off 8th-13th december and wanna go somewhere [17:08] dont care where [17:08] I imagine on a big plane the statistical likelyhood of a no-show is pretty high [17:08] like we considered estapona then on to marbella then malaga and grandad all easy for us [17:08] but id go anywhere poland..italy whatever..aslong as return isnt 10x more [17:08] my flight to Latvia 32gbp return 150 LOL and this was in advance [17:08] domestic, standby is doable. european (one stop), can be done. International, forget it. [17:43] hrmm got a chap with a Toshiba based on an AMD E1-1200 APU that's being really awkward to boot [17:43] i've had to revert to suggesting a mini.iso install, just doesn't get anywhere either in EFI or legacy boot with a 64-bit desktop ISO [18:01] hm. you know a script's going wrong when you download an 8Mb file that contains only commas. [18:03] shauno: :D [18:04] shauno: comma comma comma chameleon === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [18:05] :| [18:05] you've been spending too much time with Dan lol [18:07] hm. I wonder if I can sneak that in there. "if I have 8 million null values, print 'chameleon'" [18:15] I think I'm doing this wrong. rearranging an array shouldn't peg an i7 for 30 seconds [18:20] crikey, i would hope not [18:21] what on earth would prevent GRUB install from working 0o [18:32] ah, that'd be it - the hard disk is /dev/sdb [18:33] go go gadget grub-installer from busybox [18:52] if transplanting a laptop's hard disk into a desktop, can it be slaved to the current OS and GRUB installed do it with "grub-install /dev/sdx" easily enough? [18:52] s/do it/to it/ [19:08] yawn [19:08] so I missed daylight [19:08] diddledan: :O! [19:09] yeah i got that way a while back :( it's not good [19:09] diddledan: are you any good with GRUB installs? :D [19:09] so, I can now tell you what the press release was that I mentioned last night [19:09] yay! [19:09] http://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmic/ [19:10] it's the "how well is your police force doing" stuff [19:19] diddledan: Not very well I'd say, walked the dog last night, copper in patrol on his to a crime stopped after driving round our entire estate and asked me how to get to the supposed crime scene [19:20] in patrol car [19:21] uh-oh [19:22] DJones, I only do the website :-p [19:22] You could say that, could job the crime he said he was going to was only kids smoking dope and not an in progress murder [19:23] :D [19:34] 1 hour ago on the ubuntu touch mailing list: " image #10 is considered to be our 'Gold Master' image. [19:34] " [19:35] actually 2 hours nearly - gmail sucks at times [19:40] http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11/26/earth-wrapped-in-star-trek-force-fields_n_6227676.html [19:43] is it still worth installing "ubuntu-desktop^" if i've got someone to do a mini install? [19:43] or does the ^ not matter? [19:43] i remember popey mentioning it [19:43] this is 14.04.1 [19:58] looks like our infrastructure held up today for the hmic site - peaked at about 2000req/min [19:58] that was between 10 and 12 [19:59] we're still averaging around 250-500 req/min now [20:00] :> [20:13] this film the maze runner is coo [20:14] five fruits bulmers hm never had that before [20:15] are you allowed to bring spirits in hold luggae? was gonna bring 2 bottles of woods rum for my dad like 6 quid here 25 quid for 70cl in uk [20:15] £6.50 here [20:16] also it says you can only take 1 bottle of spirits and 400 cigs...if i took more with me and they searched my case or whatever what happens? i get it confiscated..i get a fine? or can i just pay the tax and keep it? not even sure what the tax would be [20:17] unsure of how it all works..and do the airport people care if i have 2 bottles in my hand luggage yet only allowed 1? or is it only at UK end id have prblems? [20:18] maze runner 0o [20:18] that reminds me [20:18] hear the good news? [20:18] Blade Runner sequel! [20:19] nice [20:19] yea its cool daftykins im 51mins in got an hour left [20:19] any idea about my flight qs? [20:19] would the staff at gib airport care? [20:19] or would it just be UK end i may get hassle [20:19] oh didn't see that [20:20] im not sure how it all works would gib just let me fly with whatever as they dont care or does the airport you fly from enforce the destination country rules [20:20] never bought duty free or alc i'm afraid [20:20] i'm a good boy [20:20] its 6.50 a bottle!! so cheap [20:20] £6 a litre of stoli [20:20] i might just buy like 5 bottles and chance it [20:21] worst case scenario i lose a few quid i think [20:22] ;] [20:24] I feel saddened: http://www.newser.com/story/199159/plug-pulled-on-worlds-2nd-most-watched-clock.html [20:25] £6 for a litre of stoli is good [20:33] mapps: the allowance for spirits is only 1litre [20:33] if they catch you over that, you pay %*£28.22 + VAT [20:33] what that mean [20:34] % 20.22? [20:34] the excise is 28.22 per litre of actual alcohol [20:34] so, eg, if you have one litre of 40% spirit, you have 0.4 litres, so you pay 0.4*28.22 [20:34] hm [20:35] (plus VAT afterwards heh) [20:35] so thatd be 11 quid and what would vat be? [20:36] but what about what i asked re the departure airport..would they care if there's 2 bottles in my hand luggage when its scanned [20:36] or would they just wave it through [20:36] I actually have no idea how they figure the vat. logically it'd be what you paid (purchase+excise) * 20%, but .. I've no idea how they'd figure out what you paid originally [20:37] I don't think the departing airport tend to care. as long as it's not liable to explode, it's not their problem [20:37] yea [20:38] jhm cant do what i planned either buy 2 bottles morrisons 1 hand and 1 in hold..cant have any liquids . 100ml in hand of course [20:39] and if i have them in the hold 100% theyd know when its scanned on arrival at heathrow? [20:39] no idea about that bit. technically you declare it at customs ;) [20:40] (and you can have more than 100ml in your carry-on. you just can't take more than 100ml through security. if you buy it after that, it's clear) [20:40] iyou do? i thought they just see it when its scanned and automaticxaLLY bug you [20:40] if the departing airport let you buy over 1 litre and you put it in hand luggage surely the arrivla airport wouldnt know? ------ they dont check hand lkuggage on landing? [20:41] How can i write Russian in LibreOffice Writer? It wont allow me to copy and paste russian words in [20:41]