[07:34] <dholbach> good morning
[09:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Buy Nothing Day! :-D
[09:38] <dholbach> popey, have you had a chat with Carlo Giordano already?
[09:39] <DanChapman> Good Morning all o/
[09:39] <popey> dholbach: not yet. thanks for the nudge
[09:40]  * dholbach hugs popey
[10:29] <zmaj> good morning everyone...what are you working on? :)
[11:04] <kalikiana> JamesTait: Do donations count?
[11:04] <kalikiana> best not to answer that, or you get into a deep discussion on how donating is very often not what people want it to be
[11:21] <JamesTait> kalikiana, ;)
[11:34] <brendand> popey, it seems to be that music-app can get itself into a state where tracks don't automatically start playing when you tap on them
[11:35] <brendand> popey, i had to run the AP suite a number of times to make it happen
[11:35] <popey> brendand: oh? how?
[11:35] <popey> can you file a bug?
[11:35] <brendand> popey, sure i'll try to reproduce it once more and do that
[11:35] <popey> thanks
[11:36] <popey> ping me the bug number and I'll try to reproduce here
[12:29] <jhyta> Hello
[12:29] <jhyta> I'm chatting from the Ubuntu SDK qt creator
[12:29] <jhyta> is there a way to emulate Ubuntu touch on here?
[12:29] <jhyta> I have no devices
[12:30] <jhyta> But I would like to see the OS
[12:31] <dholbach> http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/sdk/tutorials/using-the-ubuntu-emulator/
[12:47] <jhyta> dholbach: thank you very much!
[12:47] <dholbach> anytime
[12:47] <jhyta> dholbach: do you have an Ubuntu phone? I mean, a physical device with Ubuntu
[12:48] <dholbach> a Nexus 4, yes
[12:55] <jhyta> dholbach: I want a phone with Ubuntu (Well, in fact I don't want any other thing). I thought I could buy one from bq (I'm from Spain) but it seems they are not going to sell it so… I can't wait anymore. I should buy a Nexus and install Ubuntu, then?
[12:56] <dholbach> jhyta, don't ask me for a release date of bq phones - I don't know :)
[12:56] <dholbach> bq phones are next in the pipeline and as you might have gathered, meizu phones are next
[12:57] <dholbach> but you're right... at this moment in time, there's only nexus4 phones
[14:12] <dholbach> dpm, here's a list of articles on developer.u.c: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9283495/
[14:12] <dholbach> dpm, looks like we could clean a few from the list... like http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/qml/tutorial/building_your_first_qml_app/getting-your-app-ready-for-the-app-showdown/
[14:13] <dholbach> let me sort the page
[14:13] <dholbach> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9283521/
[14:13] <dpm> ok
[14:14] <dholbach> that's the list of pages currently marked as 'published'
[14:15] <dpm> http://developer.ubuntu.com/scopes/tutorials/write-a-json-scope-in-cpp-2/
[14:15] <dpm> http://developer.ubuntu.com/scopes/tutorials/write-a-xml-scope-in-cpp-2/
[14:15] <dpm> I'll unpublish these two
[14:16] <dholbach> this should probably http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/qml/tutorial/building_your_first_qml_app/creating-click-packages-with-qml-c-extensions/ be unpublished as well?
[14:18] <dholbach> dpm, I guess I can mark the /zh/ namespace as pending review?
[14:18] <dholbach> or shall we let it stick around for now=
[14:18] <dholbach> ?
[14:18] <dpm> dholbach, perhaps there is something we can reuse for the translations
[14:18] <dholbach> ok
[14:19] <dholbach> mhall119, do you know what http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown-dummy/ is?
[14:19]  * dholbach unpublishes http://developer.ubuntu.com/community/recordings/
[14:19] <dpm> dholbach, yeah, http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/qml/tutorial/building_your_first_qml_app/creating-click-packages-with-qml-c-extensions/ should be unpublished
[14:19] <dholbach> I used "pending review" if that's all right
[14:22] <dholbach> dpm, davidcalle: an updated list of published articles: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9283612/
[14:22] <dholbach> if you spot anything on there which shouldn't be there, let me know
[14:22] <davidcalle> dholbach, oh nice, thanks!
[14:24] <davidcalle> dholbach, html5 pages will change mid-next week (I'll try not to break links, but not 100% sure everything will stay)
[14:26] <davidcalle> dholbach, you can drop http://developer.ubuntu.com/scopes/tutorials/unity-8-scope-example-openclipart/
[14:27] <davidcalle> dholbach, regarding html5 pages, there will be at least one more
[14:28] <davidcalle> dholbach, that's all I see for now :)
[14:28] <dholbach> ok cool
[14:28] <dholbach> davidcalle, I just wanted to update the spreadsheet and drop old/unused stuff
[14:29] <davidcalle> dholbach, the localization spreadsheet?
[14:29] <dholbach> yep
[14:29] <dholbach> I won't everything, as for example /cloud is less of a priority
[14:30] <davidcalle> dholbach, ok :) For the record, dbarth and I are dealing with the html5 section.
[14:30] <dholbach> excellent
[14:38] <mhall119> dholbach: I think it was a placeholder or an old page, something to work around a Wordpress limitation
[14:38] <dholbach> ok
[14:38] <dholbach> I unpublished it as well
[14:38] <mhall119> it shouldn't have been published, was it?
[14:45] <dholbach> it was
[14:45] <dholbach> I marked it as 'pending review' now
[14:50] <dholbach> davidcalle, http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/platform/guides/online-accounts-developer-guide/ is ready for translation, right?
[14:52] <dholbach> davidcalle, and http://developer.ubuntu.com/scopes/tutorials/adding-settings-to-your-scope/
[14:53] <dholbach> davidcalle, and http://developer.ubuntu.com/scopes/tutorials/prepare-your-scope-for-publication/
[14:55] <dholbach> and http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/scope/application-states/
[14:55] <dholbach> davidcalle, if you could have a quick look at the spreadsheet and update it, that'd be great
[15:34] <mihir> balloons: hi
[15:37] <balloons> mihir, aloha
[15:51] <davidcalle> dholbach, http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/scope/application-states/ is the only one I have doubts about. Not because of the content, but it doesn't seem to be in the right place. Can it linger in limbo a few more days?
[15:52] <dholbach> davidcalle, sure
[15:52] <davidcalle> Thanks
[15:52] <dholbach> I think the problem is the navigation
[15:53] <dholbach> application-states should be the same for /publish/{scopes,apps,web}/
[15:53] <davidcalle> dholbach, yes
[15:53] <dholbach> the same goes for articles like licensing
[15:53] <dholbach> or creating a good icon
[15:53] <dholbach> but it's hard to go back to /publish/scopes/
[15:58] <mihir> balloons: happy thanks giving :) sorry to disturb you on holiday :D
[16:04] <balloons> mihir, thank you. And now worries, I'm around today. Do you need something?
[16:05] <mihir> balloons: yes , i saw your comment on that MP , just wanted to check what needs to be done regarding BottomEdge.
[16:14] <balloons> mihir, helpers for the bottomedge?
[16:14] <seb128> hum
[16:14] <mihir> balloons: hmm yeah
[16:14] <balloons> brendand, I believe you did some standardization on bottom edge helpers recently yes?
[16:15] <seb128> is that normal than first qtcreator project forces me into creating a chroot which takes ages?
[16:20] <brendand> balloons, nope - i did some fix related to bottom edge but it certainly wasn't standardisation
[16:20] <brendand> balloons, i just hacked clock-app to work
[16:21] <balloons> I remember though elopio asking you to file for a helper for it.. or was that something else?
[16:21] <balloons> seb128, if you chose to target the phone yes
[16:21] <seb128> k
[16:22] <balloons> It's interesting, as if you build it after you open the project, it can be backgrounded
[16:22] <seb128> do we have updated tutorials on how to start? I'm reading http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/qml/tutorial/building_your_first_qml_app/ but it lacks those details
[16:22] <seb128> it's also has un-accurate labels/values
[16:22] <seb128> e.g it would need to be updated to catch with changes that happened since
[16:22] <seb128> dpm, ^
[16:23] <balloons> seb128, please file a bug on the diffs if you would
[16:23] <seb128> what project?
[16:23] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/+filebug?field.tags=&field.comment=%0A%0A%0AReported+from:+http%3A%2F%2Fdeveloper.ubuntu.com%2F%3Fpage_id%3D
[16:23] <seb128> thanks
[16:23] <balloons> it's the bottom of the page
[16:23]  * balloons is curious if one exists for this or not
[16:24] <dpm> thanks seb128
[16:24] <seb128> shrug
[16:24] <balloons> mihir, so we can borrow what the clock app does for now
[16:24] <seb128> 15 minutes later
[16:24] <seb128> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[16:24] <seb128>  ubuntu-sdk-libs:armhf : Depends: ubuntu-html5-container:armhf
[16:24] <balloons> mihir, it should work as brendand fixed it :-)
[16:24] <seb128> can't create a project on vivid
[16:24]  * seb128 ponders what to do next
[16:24] <seb128> the wizard don't let me click next
[16:25] <mihir> balloons: yes I did that. anywhere i'll look into this and we can fix that next week
[16:25] <balloons> mihir, you can also enlist doug5's help on this
[16:26] <brendand> balloons, that debate was about the location prompt
[16:27] <mihir> balloons: okay..i'll do that.
[16:30] <bzoltan> seb128:  anything I could help
[16:30] <bzoltan> ?
[16:30] <seb128> bzoltan, do you know how I can start an ubuntu touch project on vivid?
[16:31] <bzoltan> seb128: #define onvivid
[16:31] <seb128> bzoltan, the qtcreator wizard wants me to create a Kit, it doesn't let me click next, and creating it fails with "ubuntu-sdk-libs:armhf : Depends: ubuntu-html5-container:armhf"
[16:31] <seb128> bzoltan, Ubuntu, the distro, vivid being the current serie
[16:31] <seb128> I'm on an uptodate vivid i386 desktop
[16:31] <bzoltan> seb128:  the stock click can not create vivid chroot ...
[16:32] <seb128> bzoltan, well, that's what qtcreator propose as default "kit" to create
[16:32] <seb128> armhf 15.04
[16:32] <seb128> which downloads stuff for half an hour to fail on the error I just copied
[16:32] <seb128> not sure how to get past that
[16:32] <bzoltan> seb128: yes, I know ...
[16:32] <seb128> I'm trying to change 15.04 to 14.10 now
[16:32] <seb128> but it seems it's again up for half an hour download
[16:32] <bzoltan> seb128:  it is a super annoying issue what blocks me too
[16:32] <seb128> can I use qtcreator to write some qml while it's doing that?
[16:33] <seb128> the wizard seems modal to the ide
[16:34] <bzoltan> seb128:  the ubuntu-sdk-libs: armhf can not be installed in i386 vivid chroot ...  mvo  knows the details, but there a library under what is not multiarch ready
[16:34] <seb128> bzoltan, any recommendation on what to do if I just want to write a simple qml app?
[16:35] <seb128> just don't use the wizard and create a file rather than a project?
[16:35] <seb128> can I skip the kit creation step in some way?
[16:36] <bzoltan> seb128:  you do need a vivid chroot .. I made a hackaround click version in the Dev Tools PPA
[16:36] <bzoltan> seb128:  but yes, it is a showstopper and blocker issue for the SDK
[16:37] <seb128> bzoltan, I guess I'm unlucky/picked the wrong moment to try the "new user experience" ;-)
[16:37] <bzoltan> seb128:  it is not a wrong moment ... it is a broken click
[16:37] <bzoltan> seb128:  this problem is there since Vivid is open
[16:37] <seb128> bzoltan, well I assume click was working in 14.10 and is going to be fixed
[16:37] <seb128> so that's sort of a wrong moment in that sense
[16:39] <bzoltan> seb128:  I hear you ... I am frustrated because of this problem. I do not like that the 15.04 fw was changed to pull the sdk-libs:armhf instead of how it was for 14.10 frameworks.
[16:40] <popey> balloons: we had a calculator meeting yesterday, do you know if someone from QA can help us with Autopilot tests for the new calculator?
[16:48] <balloons> popey, it's all new, so all new tests?
[16:48] <popey> balloons: yup!
[16:48] <popey> clean slate
[16:48] <balloons> I might help with the initial setup if needed so whomever writes the tests has it easy
[16:49] <bzoltan> seb128:  what we need is to take in this MR https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/oxide/crossbuild-friendly/+merge/234093
[16:49] <balloons> that said, let me see who might be interested :-)
[16:49] <seb128> bzoltan, right, I read #ubuntu-touch, thanks ;-)
[16:49] <bzoltan> seb128:  once that MR is merged mvo will release a new click with vivid support
[16:49] <seb128> great
[16:50] <popey> balloons: r_padovani m_ihir and g_ang65 are working on it
[16:50] <balloons> popey, ahh right.. I think gang65 would be a good choice if he's up to it. I wanted to ask him
[16:51] <popey> he's already got branches in flight
[16:51] <balloons> I added him to the test writers team as he's contributed to several apps so jenkins would run his stuff