[07:18] <eliasps> Hi everyone
[07:18] <amjjawad> Hello eliasps
[07:18] <amjjawad> some bad news :(
[07:18] <eliasps> Hey amjjawad, how are you?
[07:18] <eliasps> Oh? what?
[07:18] <amjjawad> Hi
[07:19] <amjjawad> one of the acting team leaders of the Wiki will quit :(
[07:19] <amjjawad> real life and other projects got into his way
[07:19] <amjjawad> he was one of the finest contributors
[07:20] <eliasps> That happens all the time. Real life always gets in the way of FOSS contributions. Is anyone interested in taking his place until his return?
[07:22] <eliasps> Which one is he?
[07:23] <amjjawad> not sure
[07:23] <amjjawad> as the 2nd acting is always hidden :(
[07:23] <amjjawad> let's see
[07:23] <amjjawad> not that we have lots of tasks but it is always needed to keep the wiki up to date and it is not for sometime now
[07:25] <eliasps> I could help with the wiki section, but I do need to pick some of the pages to keep updated, because I'm not sure I could handle all of them until I get used to its structure. I'm already a member of the wiki team as a translator, so..
[07:26] <amjjawad> eliasps, no worries
[07:26] <amjjawad> not that urgent for now but it is a sad news for me
[07:28] <eliasps> I understand, but keep positive. Life is always a priority and every contributor has to take a step back sometimes to deal with real life issues. But we all return when our time allows it. In the meantime, we will try to find new contributors. I'm excited to work with the team starting this circle!
[07:29] <amjjawad> I agree
[07:50] <darkxst> hey amjjawad
[07:59] <amjjawad> darkxst, hello mate
[08:00] <amjjawad> how was your train yesterday?
[08:04] <darkxst> it was fine, laptop helps ;)
[08:05] <amjjawad> indeed
[08:05] <amjjawad> kill the waiting time
[08:08] <darkxst> amjjawad, yes
[08:09] <amjjawad> darkxst, to deal with Ubuntu or to be more accurate, Ubuntu GNOME as a system, what kind of skills do I have to have?
[08:09] <darkxst> amjjawad, to deal with what exactly?
[08:10] <amjjawad> I am not a coder at all
[08:10] <darkxst> amjjawad, nor is Noskcaj
[08:10] <amjjawad> but say I want to help to build a system yet not a coder
[08:10] <darkxst> amjjawad, there is lots of packaging work for non-coders, but you will umm need to learn packaging
[08:10] <darkxst> I'm sure Jackson can help you!
[08:11] <eliasps> darkxst is there a need for packagers?
[08:11] <eliasps> For Ubuntu GNOME I mean
[08:11] <darkxst> eliasps, yes always
[08:11] <amjjawad> darkxst, I don't know what happened to me?
[08:11] <darkxst> eliasps, right not its only 3
[08:11] <amjjawad> I decided to get rid of all my hats and look at the two areas that I know zero about
[08:12] <amjjawad> coding and servers
[08:12] <darkxst> amjjawad, hence why you are on IRC two nights in a row ;)
[08:12] <darkxst> ?
[08:12] <amjjawad> No
[08:12] <amjjawad> I met someone on IRC today
[08:12] <amjjawad> it started with a semi-fight or argument
[08:13] <amjjawad> I have no clue how it became an inspiring thing to learn the things I am super weak with
[08:13] <amjjawad> I just don't believe how it happened
[08:13] <darkxst> amjjawad, don't fight!
[08:13] <amjjawad> not a fight
[08:13] <amjjawad> it was a bit of offending
[08:13] <amjjawad> but it was solved in 5 mins
[08:13] <darkxst> I just kick those types, only had to do it twice though
[08:14] <fleetfox> what am i reading?
[08:15] <amjjawad> it was a misunderstanding and it got solved
[08:15] <darkxst> fleetfox, I really have no idea either
[08:15] <amjjawad> the interesting part is: I got an inspired idea and this might change a lot in me :D
[08:16] <amjjawad> back to my Q: dealing with Ubuntu GNOME as a system requires a coder? packager? both?
[08:17] <darkxst> we need both, Noskcaj eats up alot of the non-coding packaging but there is always stuff to do
[08:17] <amjjawad> darkxst, you're both but mainly coder
[08:17] <amjjawad> he is mainly packaging
[08:17] <amjjawad> for someone who knows nothing about what you both do
[08:17] <amjjawad> where can he start from?
[08:17] <eliasps> darkxst, It's been a long time since I've dealt with packaging, I'll freshen up my skills, before I could commit to the team and if I could be useful, I'd like to join the team. Is there a mailing list archive where packaging is discussed?
[08:18] <amjjawad> eliasps, indeed there is
[08:18] <darkxst> amjjawad, recently I do the patches, and Noskcaj for the most part does the packaging and merges from debian
[08:18] <amjjawad> eliasps, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-packaging
[08:18] <eliasps> amjjawad, although darkxst is the right person to answer that, there are some tutorials on ubuntu wiki and developer's page. I thing there are some videos as well
[08:19] <eliasps> Thanks amjjawad
[08:19] <amjjawad> eliasps, ;)
[08:20]  * darkxst off to make dinner
[08:20] <amjjawad> darkxst, catchup with you later ;)
[08:28] <eliasps> amjjawad, question: All those roles here are updated? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GettingInvolved/Roles
[08:29] <amjjawad> eliasps, should be
[08:29] <amjjawad> except I need to fill the new roles that you guys took
[08:30] <amjjawad> eliasps, once I make the official announcement, I will update it
[08:30] <darkxst> eliasps, packaging is noticeably absent from that list
[08:31] <darkxst> I haven't had time to update it for that
[08:31] <eliasps> Yeah, no worries, I'm just asking to see in what areas I could be useful. I'll wait a few days to see if anyone is interested in some of those areas, and if there is a lack of people, I'll join in.
[08:32] <darkxst> eliasps, most teams (or all) could use extra hands, just pick what you want to do!
[08:32] <amjjawad> eliasps, as a new contributor, I highly suggest to take it easy in order not to burn out
[08:32] <amjjawad> ask me about that
[08:32] <darkxst> amjjawad is the king of burn out!
[08:32] <amjjawad> choose the one(s) that you find yourself and can have fun
[08:32] <amjjawad> darkxst, YES and I never learn
[08:32] <eliasps> amjjawad, trust me, I get what you mean, I've been there as well, it's overwhelming to say the least! :P
[08:33] <eliasps> I can see that!
[08:33] <amjjawad> how do you think Ubuntu GNOME in NO TIME became so strong like that if I won't burned out?
[08:33] <amjjawad> it is like a candle, burn itself to enlighten the other
[08:34] <amjjawad> but yes, I am killing myself slowly, that is why I found people to take over some sub-teams Ld
[08:34] <darkxst> amjjawad, sure, but you need to manage these things ;)
[08:34] <amjjawad> :D
[08:35] <eliasps> All it takes is willing contributors and effective collaboration. Having the areas of involvement equally split, sharing the workload equally is the best thing to do. amjjawad, burning yourself out does good for UG, but not for you.
[08:35] <eliasps> So yeah, it's a good decision
[08:35] <amjjawad> eliasps, yep
[08:36] <amjjawad> I decided to work harder on myself more than the projects :)
[08:36] <darkxst> eliasps, its actually really hard to find pro-active contributors, many people offer help, but it ends there
[08:36] <amjjawad> +1 :(
[08:37] <darkxst> (speaking more on behalf of packaging, since I am well out of the loop for other teams)
[08:37] <darkxst> but guessing its similar
[08:37] <darkxst> and meh, really need to cook dinner now ;)
[08:37] <eliasps> In my experience it is similar yes.
[08:37] <eliasps> Ok darkxst, talk to you later!
[08:38] <amjjawad> darkxst, enjoy it
[08:38] <amjjawad> I will start eating soon too
[08:38] <amjjawad> eliasps, remind me please :(
[08:38] <amjjawad> what areas you stepped in so far?
[08:38] <amjjawad> marketing, translations?
[08:38] <eliasps> Communications, testing and translations
[08:39] <amjjawad> ineed
[08:39] <amjjawad> indeed
[08:39] <amjjawad> okay, after dinner, need to make the announcement
[08:40] <eliasps> No worries, take your time.
[08:41] <darkxst> eliasps, we found ubuntu GNOME from a development perspective, too build a community around making GNOME work well in Ubuntu and work with upstream to integrate, then Ali came along took care of the Non-Tech side
[08:41] <amjjawad> the load will be in marketing thic cycle :D
[08:41] <darkxst> s/found/founded/
[08:42] <eliasps> darkxst I can see that. I track Ubuntu GNOME changes since day one, that I'm a user of it ;) Amazing work.
[08:42] <eliasps> amjjawad, looking forward to it actually! :P
[08:43] <eliasps> It is indeed a workload, but if you're having fun with it makes it easier. If it becomes just work, one loses the point of it.
[08:44] <amjjawad> okay, it is rest time
[08:44] <amjjawad> catch up with all of you soon
[08:44] <eliasps> Chat soon amjjawad! Bye :)
[08:45] <amjjawad> no byes, cya :D
[08:45] <eliasps> hehe ;)
[08:45] <amjjawad> :D
[08:45] <eliasps> cya then! :P
[08:46] <amjjawad> Cya
[15:48] <octoquad> darkxst, haven't had a chance to look at that wine/fglrx problem yet, will get back to you this weekend.