[01:44] <cwayne> popey: don't suppose you're still around
[01:44] <popey> maybe
[01:45] <popey> shouldn't you be consuming turkey?
[01:45] <cwayne> popey: i've consumed an uncomfortable amount of turkey already
[01:45] <cwayne> and ham
[01:45] <cwayne> mmmm
[01:45] <popey> heh
[01:45] <popey> mmmmmm
[01:45] <popey> http://drool.popey.com/
[01:45] <cwayne> lol
[01:46] <cwayne> popey: was just gonna poke you about https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/1247/ if you were up for it :)
[01:47]  * popey clicks
[01:48] <popey> failed some tests
[01:48] <popey> 1.2 != 1.2 (ubuntu-sdk-14.10-dev2)
[01:48] <popey> seen that with others
[01:48] <popey> not sure why that's happening, I think beuno looked at it earlier today but I don't know the resolution
[01:48] <popey> might be a jdstrand thing
[01:48] <popey> I can't really do anything with it.
[01:49] <popey> sorry
[01:54]  * popey sleeps
[02:31] <Gues480631> wouldn't it be cool and give a very strong push to ubuntu when it supported android apps natively?
[02:31] <Gues480631> I mean, both are linux, both got same arch and such
[02:34] <cwayne> not really imho
[02:37] <Gues480631> hm, I would like to glorify my smartphone with that.
[02:37] <Gues480631> but many apps would be missing then
[02:38] <Gues480631> of course, one can install other stuff, but for those apps it is quite hard to find equivalents.
[02:51] <RAOF> Gues480631: They actually *don't* have the same arch and such; among other things, they link with an incompatible libc.
[02:52] <Gues480631> oh
[02:52] <Gues480631> so floss gnu libc vs closed ibm libc thing?
[02:52] <RAOF> gnu libc vs (BSD) bionic libc.
[02:53] <Gues480631> and they can't be simply unified?
[02:53] <Gues480631> or shimmed? or so? hm, this is sad as both are basically kind of opensource.
[02:54] <RAOF> They could technically be unified, but Google wanted to do that they wouldn't have written bionic :)
[02:55] <RAOF> You can shim; libhybris is that shim layer. It's what we use to load Android GLES drivers.
[02:56] <RAOF> But that's a pretty fraught process.
[02:56] <Gues480631> oh, so they wrote bionic only to add a barrier?
[02:56] <Gues480631> damn
[02:57] <RAOF> No, they wrote bionic because they didn't want GPL.
[02:57] <Gues480631> ah, so the source code can be omitted
[03:33] <nimmersatt> any latest news on unity8 for the desktop?
[06:45] <nhaines> nimmersatt: the latest news is there is no news.  Current target for Unity 8 by deault on the desktop is 16.10 or later.
[07:35] <dholbach> good morning
[08:43] <mardy> lpotter: hi! Still there?
[09:04] <Stskeeps> mhall119: novel approach on NDR, congrats
[09:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Buy Nothing Day! :-D
[10:13] <bzoltan> mvo:  Do you know what is the status of that oxide multiarch change?
[11:31] <dednick> larsu: hey. do you remember adding timezone adjustments to the time formatter in unity8?
[11:33] <larsu> dednick: what exactly do you mean? It listens to timezone changes, yes
[11:35] <dednick> larsu: right. that's what i meant.
[11:35] <dednick> i'm having trouble getting it working now. don't seem to be getting dbus property change messages from org.freedesktop.timedate1
[11:36] <dednick> larsu: even setting the property using dbus-send and listening in on dbus-monitor doesnt seem to work for me. (i'm probably doing something wrong)
[11:36]  * larsu tries
[11:38] <dednick> larsu: eh. sorry, i'm a dumbarse. i forgot the --system on dbus-monitor
[11:39] <larsu> :)
[11:39] <larsu> works now?
[11:40] <davmor2> dednick: is that like Dumbledore Nephew or something and if so do you do magic too?
[11:41] <dednick> larsu: yeah, getting the notification now. sorry
[11:43] <dednick> davmor2: hehe. i have no idea what you're talking about ;)
[12:03] <davmor2> dednick: i'm a dumbarse.....is that like Dumbledore Nephew or something and if so do you do magic too?  does that put it in context ;)
[12:29]  * tsdgeos shakes fist about git not being available in the rtm distro
[12:42] <zyga> hey, I'd like to add a new unconfined, canonical-made application to the store
[12:43] <zyga> it's in the com.canonical. namespace
[12:43] <zyga> who should I talk to to discuss this?
[12:43] <zyga> it's a test application for the upcoming phone
[12:43] <zyga> for post-sale support and testibng
[12:43] <zyga> testing*
[12:43] <zyga> we've just hit 1.0 and should be able to release it after final checks next week
[12:57] <davmor2> zyga: you can try popey but I bet it will require a security review, in which case it might need to wait till Monday I think most of the security team is based in the US
[13:01] <popey> zyga: yeah, if unconfined it needs to go via security team - specifically jdstrand
[13:14] <ogra_> stgraber, soo ... that gcmanager fix from hallyn looks reallly good, the phone seems a lot more stable ... we are wondering what the implications are if we would use the 0.32 cgmmanager in rtm though ... would there be any drawbacks with the old lxc version we use ?
[13:15] <sil2100> stgraber: hey! We've been wondering, would everything be ok to use the new cgmanager (from utopic) in rtm?
[13:15] <sil2100> Yeah, as ogra_ mentioned ^
[13:15] <ogra_> heh
[13:15] <ogra_> *first*
[13:15] <ogra_> :P
[13:18] <sil2100> ;)
[14:37] <mhall119> Stskeeps: thanks, I haven't had a chance to work on it lately
[15:10] <matv1> today I was seriously locked out of my phone. Situation: I was doing a download of a pdf file, but locked the screen while it was downloading. Sometime later i went to onlock the screen. when screen woke I saw the message that downloding had finished on top of the lock screen, but the whole screen and hw buttons had become unresponsive.
[15:10] <matv1> anyone seen that before?
[15:12] <matv1> rtm proposed btw
[15:14] <ogra_> nope, sounds like it is worth a bug though
[15:15] <ogra_> oh, wait
[15:15] <ogra_> rtm proposed
[15:15] <stgraber> ogra_, sil2100: I don't expect any problem with current LXC and new cgmanager
[15:15] <ogra_> matv1, you were most likely hit by bug 1377332
[15:15] <stgraber> the only time where lxc talks to cgmanager on the phone is at container startup and you've tested that a few times already. LXC itself does cgmanager API version detection at runtime so there's also no need to rebuild it or anything
[15:15] <ogra_> stgraber, oh, thats awesome, could you note that in the bug ?
[15:16]  * matv1 reading up on bug
[15:24] <matv1> ogra_ doesn't realy sound like it. The bug says the phone freezes up while the phone is in use. Mine was in locked state and froze in that state. It could be the same. but also it is krillin, and you guys still neglected to send me one of those :)
[15:25] <ogra_> it can also freeze if it is doing something on its own
[15:25] <matv1> ah!
[15:25] <ogra_> "doing something" is the bit here ... if it would have been sleepeing (and not downloading) i woulld agree it is a different bug ...
[15:26] <ogra_> but that way it looks similar to me
[15:26] <matv1> ogra_ that would make sense ofcourse :)
[15:38] <matv1> ogra_ I read now that a probable fix is already on the cards for that. So I will sit tight fr now thanks!
[15:38] <ogra_> matv1, if you still see it after this landed, please file a new bug
[15:40] <matv1> ogra_ okay sure. To what channel will this be pushed first? I get confused lately what with all the aliases :)
[15:40] <ogra_> rtm-proposed
[15:40] <ogra_> well
[15:41] <ogra_> ubuntu-rtm/devel-proposed
[15:41] <ogra_> :)
[15:42] <matv1> ogra_ okay thanks!  have a good weekend
[16:41] <bzoltan> mvo: ping
[16:42] <mvo> bzoltan: sorry, no time, please coordinate with asac if you need me, we have a deadline approaching. best idea is probably to just go back to the oold way of building the chroot until I have time again
[16:42] <asac> bzoltan: whats up?
[16:43] <bzoltan> mvo:  OK, just a question.. what package was the one what blocks the  multiarch install?
[16:43] <bzoltan> asac:  the click chroot for vivid is broken since Vivid is open.
[16:44] <mvo> bzoltan: this is the root cause https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/oxide/crossbuild-friendly/+merge/234093
[16:44] <asac> mvo: plesea go!!
[16:44] <asac> thx
[16:44] <mvo> bzoltan: the other packages can be multi-arch installed now
[16:44] <asac> bzoltan: feels like it cannot be TODAY urgent
[16:44] <asac> given that its broken for whole time
[16:44] <asac> folks are out
[16:45] <bzoltan> asac:  :D it is broken since Vivid exists ... so we kind of get used to the permanent regression
[16:45] <asac> right. thats not good
[16:45] <asac> but cant be fixed today
[16:45] <bzoltan> asac: specially that it is a bite size issue
[16:45] <asac> right, but noone is here today
[16:45] <asac> bzoltan: can you ping me monday again?
[16:48] <bzoltan> asac:  OK, it is really about taking in this MR https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/oxide/crossbuild-friendly/+merge/234093 and extending the click chroots with a single package.
[16:52] <asac> bzoltan: right. can you get back to me on monday? really sorry.
[16:55] <bzoltan> asac:  Sure
[16:55] <asac> thanks!!!
[18:52] <mdeslaur> what package do I file a bug against if textfields aren't being displayed properly in the rtm image?
[18:53] <daker> mdeslaur: ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[18:54] <mdeslaur> daker: thanks
[18:54] <daker> yw
[18:54] <bzoltan> mdeslaur: what is the problem?
[18:56] <mdeslaur> bzoltan: supposed to look like this: http://snag.gy/MJZEF.jpg
[18:56] <mdeslaur> bzoltan: actually look like this: http://snag.gy/dtVOG.jpg
[18:58] <bzoltan> mdeslaur:  Are you sure that the app is not doing something funky? Please if you file a bug, attach a simple few liner example what reproduces the problem.
[18:59] <mdeslaur> bzoltan: not sure what would be funky...it regressed by itself at some point, but sure, I'll link to the app code
[19:02] <bzoltan> mdeslaur:  nothing regresses by itself :) and we did not have any UITK change in RTM for some time now
[19:03] <bzoltan> mdeslaur:  But I promise it will be the first thing we check out on Monday morning (UTC+2 tz)
[19:03] <mdeslaur> bzoltan: well, I mean the code hasn't changed in months, and at some point it stopped rendering correctly...I couldn't get the emulator working before today to actually try it now
[19:03] <mdeslaur> bzoltan: no worries :)
[19:04] <bzoltan> mdeslaur:  is this issue on device or on emulator?
[19:04] <mdeslaur> both on device and in emulator
[19:04] <bzoltan> mdeslaur:  good :) because it should be the same
[19:04] <mdeslaur> bug 1397410
[19:04] <mdeslaur> thanks bzoltan
[19:06] <bzoltan> mdeslaur:  are you sure that this visual is not desired when the textfield is readonly?
[19:07] <mdeslaur> readonly should just turn it grey and non-clickable, like it does on the desktop
[19:07] <mdeslaur> else, why not just use a text label
[19:07] <mdeslaur> I mean, there is a rendering difference between the two
[19:07] <mdeslaur> (desktop and device)
[19:08] <bzoltan> mdeslaur:  when saying desktop you mean Utopic or Vivid? Because RTM is different from both
[19:08] <mdeslaur> I'm on utopic right now
[19:08] <mdeslaur> let me try in the vivid emulator image
[19:08] <mdeslaur> just for kicks
[19:09] <bzoltan> mdeslaur:  OK, utopic UITK has not change since we have vivid... but RTM is rather different than Utopic
[19:11] <mdeslaur> ok, same thing in vivid image
[19:12] <bzoltan> mdeslaur:  how do you run that app on emulator?
[19:13] <bzoltan> mdeslaur:  your desktop file is old - Exec=/usr/bin/qmlscene $@ /usr/share/tipcalc/tipcalc.qml
[19:13] <mdeslaur> I click on the icon in the dash
[19:13] <mdeslaur> bzoltan: that's what is in the store...is that not good aymore?
[19:14] <bzoltan> mdeslaur:  Exec=qmlscene $@ tipcalc.qml
[19:14] <bzoltan> mdeslaur:  ^ this one is more SDK friendly ... you can open the project in QtCreator and just hit Run .
[19:15] <mdeslaur> ah! so that's why that wasn't working...
[19:15] <bzoltan> mdeslaur:  so, yes on Vivid the text area looks like your picture too
[19:15] <mdeslaur> bzoltan: on the vivid desktop?
[19:17] <bzoltan> mdeslaur:  It should be the same.. I do not have vivid desktop right here
[19:17] <bzoltan> mdeslaur:  [oftopic] you are in the States, right?
[19:17] <mdeslaur> so, last time I had tried this on a device/emulator was aug 13th
[19:17] <mdeslaur> canada
[19:17] <mdeslaur> no turkey for me
[19:18] <bzoltan> mdeslaur:  Just the scale of the tip... dude 30% does not exist in Europe :D
[19:18] <bzoltan> mdeslaur:  I would put the scale 0-10% :D :D
[19:18] <mdeslaur> bzoltan: the european version locks the slider to 0% :)
[19:19] <bzoltan> mdeslaur:  yeps, that would work :D Check for location ...
[19:19] <mdeslaur> hehe
[19:19] <bzoltan> In Finland we never tip... like never never. Waiters get decent salary here.
[19:20] <bzoltan> mdeslaur:  anyhow... i will check with the designers and zsombi this readonly text thing... thanks for reporting it.
[19:21] <mdeslaur> np, thanks!
[19:45] <boghison> Hi!
[19:46] <boghison> Can someone help me fix an issue?
[20:02] <davmor2> boghison: depends on the issue
[20:03] <boghison> So
[20:04] <boghison> I'm on the latest rtm image
[20:04] <boghison> and sound doesn't work
[20:04] <boghison> only alarms and ringtones do
[20:04] <boghison> but the rest i.e. media sounds don't
[20:10] <SmexyPantsGnome> Hello
[20:11] <SmexyPantsGnome> Looking if anyone could help me with a Trusty version of Ubuntu Touch.
[20:12] <popey> trusty is ye olde
[20:12] <popey> you probably dont want that
[20:12] <SmexyPantsGnome> Its the only version that works on my Nexus 7 type Grouper, latest version doesn't work.
[20:13] <SmexyPantsGnome> Trusty version is asking for a password after running "ubuntu-device-flash --channel=trusty --bootstrap"
[20:13] <SmexyPantsGnome> don't know what the default password it is
[20:14] <sarnold> SmexyPantsGnome: try 0000
[20:15] <boghison> can someone help me too?
[20:17] <popey> On trusty the default password for the phablet user was phablet SmexyPantsGnome
[20:17] <popey> that pre-dates numeric pin numbers/passwords
[20:17] <popey> boghison: what device?
[20:18] <boghison> N4
[20:19] <popey> SmexyPantsGnome: at what point are you asked for a password?
[20:19] <popey> I meam, what are you doing?
[20:20] <popey> SmexyPantsGnome: you don't need to pm me, you can talk here ☻
[20:20] <popey> boghison: i no longer have a nexus 4 handy but I would imagine someone else would have noticed
[20:20] <popey> boghison: you know there's multiple volume controls now?
[20:21] <boghison> popey: for me no
[20:21] <boghison> and idk why
[20:21] <SmexyPantsGnome> ah okay, thought green text on HexChat was PMs.
[20:21] <popey> boghison: well, what exactly isn't playing audio?
[20:22] <boghison> popey: anything media, tried music and youtube
[20:22] <popey> and what happens if you press the upvolume button while music is playing?
[20:22] <SmexyPantsGnome> sarnold: 0000 doesn't work either
[20:23] <popey> SmexyPantsGnome: what does the screenshot exactly?
[20:23] <boghison> popey: nothing
[20:23] <popey> boghison: do you get a volume popup?
[20:23] <boghison> popey: no, but I did before, now the volume doesn't even change
[20:24] <popey> sounds like a bug
[20:24] <popey> I'm surprised nobody else has reported it
[20:24] <popey> you might want to bring it up on the phone mailing list
[20:24] <boghison> popey: what if it's only me who experiences this, and why didn't I get multiple sound controls?
[20:25] <SmexyPantsGnome> "Type password to decrypt storage" is what it says
[20:29] <popey> SmexyPantsGnome: never seen that before!
[20:30] <popey> ahh
[20:30] <popey> thats not us
[20:30] <popey> http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-7-tablet-2012/289286-nexus-7-type-password-decrypt-storage.html
[20:30] <popey> boghison: the multiple sound controls you wouldn't notice.
[20:31] <popey> boghison: so if the phone is ringing, and you adjust volume, thats one control
[20:31] <popey> boghison: if a game is playing music, that's another
[20:31] <popey> they're separate, but the on screen popup looks the same
[20:31] <popey> as I said, I'd metion on the mailing list as there's a load of people who have that device
[20:32] <boghison> popey: ok, thanks
[21:39] <SmexyPantsGnome> I reload original Nexus img, but "ubuntu-device-flash --channel=trusty --bootstrap" doesn't seem to do anything this time. still boots into Android software.
[21:39] <popey> SmexyPantsGnome: probably because your device is encrypted
[21:40] <popey> doubt we've ever tested that use case
[21:40] <SmexyPantsGnome> not encrypted anymore.
[21:40] <SmexyPantsGnome> I think
[21:47] <SmexyPantsGnome> awe, I see I rebooted before done imaging. Nexus device looked like it was waiting for me to pick something from Recovery page.
[23:28] <cwayne> Elleo: heya, any chance to work on spotify by any chance? :)
[23:35] <Elleo> cwayne: yeah, got it mostly working; given up on getting it to do any power management stuff though; turns out the unity suspension exceptions are hard coded in unity-mir, so not much I can do about that
[23:35] <Elleo> cwayne: I'll see about adding url-dispatcher support this weekend and then add it back to the store
[23:35] <Elleo> cwayne: and start hassling people about loosening up the life cycle restrictions :P
[23:35] <cwayne> Elleo: wow, awesome!  with that a spotify scope could now be actually useful :)
[23:36] <Elleo> cwayne: well, semi-useful, since cutespotify is only semi-useful whilst being constantly suspended ;)
[23:36] <cwayne> fair :P
[23:38] <cwayne> Elleo: but awesome, that's great progress :)
[23:39] <Elleo> thanks :)