[00:00] lol, the xbone is already sold out [00:04] "xbone" totally sounds pornographic to my sick mind [00:04] but then, there isn't much that doesn't [00:10] wow, they had a 360 with 3 games and a year od xbox gold for £99 [00:21] tesco are meant to have a deal on xbox1 and ps4, there site is down, as is game's [00:43] its up, but slow [00:46] i see no games discounts on tesco direct [00:49] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-30212115 [00:49] they were taken off the plane I landed on, on tuesday [00:50] we all had to stay seated as loads of cops and immigration people came on the plane [00:53] ooh-err [01:02] armed police? === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [01:21] pc world website is closed; 6 minute wait to access it [01:21] shopping hysteria... [01:25] you'd think by now they'd have bots in app stores to queue in ecommerce sites and buy bargains for you :-) [01:35] "The queue is paused. " [01:35] i don't even want anything from currys. but i *must* know why their site is so loaded! [01:37] http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/google-chromecast-18-tesco-instore-2063410 [01:37] interessin [01:38] http://www.hotukdeals.com/black-friday is probably a good starting point [01:38] what *is* chromecast? why do i care? [01:39] wat [01:39] you dont know? [01:40] i have 3 which i think is enough [01:41] they don't fit my usage, personally [01:41] it's a thing that lets me stream my browser window to my tv. that's it, right? [01:41] kinda [01:42] it doesn't stream from your browser to the tv [01:42] it streams the content you're looking at on your device to your tv [01:42] useful if you dont have a smart tv [01:42] or even if you do have a smart TV and want something faster [01:43] the number of things that sounds useful for is... small [01:43] e.g. I can be watching "telly" and have my android tablet on my lap, watching a youtube video, press a button in the YT app and the telly turns over automagically and starts playing the YT vid [01:43] meh [01:43] so a wireless HDMI cable? [01:43] youtube, netflix, iplayer are the main things I use it for [01:43] well, not quite because the content has to be online [01:43] i'm happy with pi for my micro pc usage [01:44] popey, does ubuntu touch work with chromecast? ;) [01:45] lulz [01:45] ahayzen_: if you make an app, sure ☻ [01:45] chop chop! :D [01:45] * ahayzen_ gets to work lol [01:46] \o/ [01:46] time for bed. [01:47] wise === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [08:03] morning all [08:03] hey moo [08:04] Morning MooDoo / MartijnVdS === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:17] Hi everyone ! [08:18] *yawn* [08:18] I installed Ubuntu MATE 14.10, but I have a problem [08:19] I can not to configure lightdm.conf in /etc/lightdm/ because it is not existing, I will want the auto login on startup [08:20] Someone can help me please ? [08:28] I'm sure that if someone can they will, but it's still early :D [08:29] You MooDoo ? ^^ [08:29] i've no idea, i've never played with mate. [08:29] sorry [08:29] people haven't got into work yet so they're probably busy until they sit down at their desk to procrastinate [08:31] Thank you MooDoo [08:31] Ok diddledan I will wait :) [08:32] Boumboum: take a look at this, it might be in a different place the conf file - http://askubuntu.com/questions/451950/how-to-configure-lightdm-to-allow-manual-logins-in-ubuntu-14-04 [08:32] Boumboum, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM has an entry for adding auto login [08:33] lightdm.conf is not existing in /etc/lightdm [08:33] is it this one The file to edit is now located in /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d, and is called: 50-ubuntu.conf [08:34] Boumboum: does mate even use lightdm> [08:34] read that page i sent you it might be relavent. [08:36] Thank you MooDoo [08:40] I'm getting a 'new' laptop next week \o/ [08:41] refurb? [08:42] yeah http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-XPS-13-ULTRABOOK-9333-3-1ghz-i7-8GB-256SSD-1080p-FHD-Touch-Screen-WIN-8-1-/351203848832?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item51c5617280 [08:43] okay. black friday protip, you do not have long [08:43] Thank you diplo also :-) [08:43] directhex, what did you miss? [08:43] GAME sold out of their headline deal (xbone, 4 games, £5 xbl store credit) at midnight. in-store they are pre-selling a second stock delivery. stores are deserted this second, will not remain that way for long [08:43] whoa kindles are cheap today [08:44] I left the pub last night at 23:30, 1/4 mile queue to get in our local Game store and we live in a smallish town :/ [08:44] i wandered into GAME Banbury at 7:50am, the manager wandered out & said they could pre-sell 22 more bundles but they didn't even have the stock codes to run it through the tills, so had to hang around for 10 mins for them to work it out [08:45] you *may* have success if you RUNDONTWALK to the store NOW [08:49] MartijnVdS: ubuntu mate does [08:49] stores are *deserted*. it is not midnight, it is also not normal opening yet [08:49] \o/ ubuntu mate hilight ☻ [08:49] trouble with lightdm, auto-login is fairly broken anyway [08:50] Myrtti: they're nice! [08:50] popey: I thought so too [08:50] I've been looking for one for nearly two years [08:51] last year I almost went for one, but then got a job with a work laptop [08:51] I covet Laura's one whenever I'm there [08:51] I will be back ! [08:51] now the contract is ending, I need a laptop [08:51] I also had a look at the dell docking station earlier this week [08:51] bet that still doesn't work on Linux [08:51] ali1234: you knew something about those? display ports hanging off usb? [08:51] morning everyone [08:52] i don't know anything about them [08:52] oh? so there's been a regression from Latitude times? [08:52] ok [08:53] Myrtti: I'm not talking about the proper docking stations, but the external brick with lots of ports in it [08:53] I recall people telling me Linux didn't support displays like that very well.. [08:53] can't recall who it was though, might be fixed now of course [08:53] it doesn't [08:53] especially if you use some silly desktop that requires acceleration, because USB framebuffers never support it [08:54] displaylink have 2 eras of chipset [08:54] the usb2 one should be well supported on linux [08:54] "You have asked Firefox to connect securely to accessories.dell.com, but we can't confirm that your connection is secure." [08:54] the usb3 one is not last i checked [08:54] "accessories.dell.com uses an invalid security certificate." [08:55] invalid? how? [08:55] did they forget to include the CA tree [08:55] https://imgur.com/ItrCZBi [08:56] assets.pokemon.com [08:56] ouch... [08:56] looks like CDN fail? [08:56] looks like someone messed up their CDN [08:57] popey , do you know if the rumor is true that you can run ubuntu touch on the Oneplus ? [08:58] speaking of touch - the ml mentioned gold master being minted - does that mean it's "stable"? [08:58] knightwise: dunno if anyone has ported it to that device [08:58] would be nice to [08:58] diddledan: optimism! :) [08:58] diddledan: it still has bugs [08:58] I just got mine yesterday [08:58] the gold master is just the one we are sending to the OEM for them to QA [08:58] amazing what you get for 300 bucks [08:58] aah [08:58] they will likely bounce it back and tell us they found bugs we didn't [08:58] which we expect [08:59] "It crashed yo" [08:59] knightwise: yeah, marxjohnson has one too [08:59] (that's what bug reports often look like here :( ) [08:59] hah [08:59] MartijnVdS, I feel your pain [08:59] potentially it could be a good device to port to [08:59] MartijnVdS, do you get screenshots in msword documents, too? :-/ [08:59] if I had a One Plus I'd give it a go [09:00] diddledan: yeah. Good thing we added a request-id to our error messages, so we can actually call up a stacktrace when we need it [09:00] diddledan: and .. say .. which URL/method they were accessing at the time [09:00] nice [09:00] amusingly, mine crashed just now [09:00] well, crashed at 5am [09:00] http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-11-28-090020.png [09:01] \o/ [09:01] diddledan: it led to a new problem. Request-ID is a hex code. And they mistype them *A LOT* [09:01] popey: cron.daily [09:01] heh [09:02] MartijnVdS: switch to base58check [09:03] ali1234: hmm.. that might work [09:03] People who work for local governments aren't the computer whizzes you'd hope them to be [09:04] most people working for local governments aren't anything we'd hope them to be :/ [09:04] no wai! [09:05] count yourself lucky you only deal with the locals [09:05] I often do stuff for the natinoals [09:05] * awilkins used to work for a governmental agency and resembles that remark [09:06] diddledan: they're worse in a different way... (50 audits of all kinds later) [09:06] :-) [09:08] "this tool makes viral images in seconds" <-- how can they know it's viral before it actually goes viral? [09:09] diddledan: they have it checked by antivirus, if it goes off, it's good [09:09] They have a virus in them that exploits a 0-day in IE ? [09:09] aah [09:10] perhaps their script has hep-e [09:11] it really looks like a completely pointless "product", and they even have the gall to make it subscription: https://shareasimage.com/ [09:14] * popey adds http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-0A36407-Bluetooth-Mouse-4-ways/dp/B009AELU06 to his wishlist [09:14] "since using your AWESOME app, my 'shares' and 'likes' on Facebook + Twitter have gone up to the tune of 500%" <-- were they making and sharing images before and somehow the product magically made "better" ones? [09:15] I'm back ! [09:15] or are they comparing "no images at all" with "images by the product" [09:16] MooDoo AND diplo : Good, it's work ! [09:17] I modified the file 60-lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf in /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.d/ [09:18] Best hard drives to go in my MicroServer - 4TB recommendations ? [09:18] Need two [09:18] red [09:19] of the wd variety [09:19] Red ? WD Red ? [09:20] Blimey, they are pricey compared to others I've looked at [09:21] I have the red drives too in my Synology [09:21] they are pretty good ! [09:22] Have good day, see next time ! Bye everyone ^^ [09:22] bye Boumboum [09:23] I just think the prices have gone up since I looked last week, some of the drives I was looking at last week were £70~ now all £100+ [09:24] diplo, black friday goes both ways :-p [09:24] Got 2 x 2tb Hitachi ones in there currently that have been in for about 3-4 years permanently, they were £45 at the time [09:24] It seems so diddledan :/ [09:26] ooh, there's three more of those XPS 13's now on ebay [09:26] cool beans [09:26] you ordering one? [09:27] those are damn pretty laptops ! [09:27] popey: dsample did last night to my knowledge, for my Christmas present since I need a new laptop [09:28] heh [09:28] nice [09:29] dell doesnt make them anymore do they [09:30] it's a bit on the higher end of the price range of what I was looking at but it looks to be a good machine, and good for me [09:30] knightwise: sure they do [09:30] Myrtti I did some research on them and its a great machine for that price [09:31] http://www.dell.com/uk/business/p/xps-13-9333/fs [09:33] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Buy Nothing Day! :-D [09:33] JamesTait, that's not a real celebration! [09:33] or http://www.dell.com/uk/p/xps-13-9333/pd?ref=PD_OC [09:33] I'm not sure what's the difference really [09:34] diddledan, my bank account disagrees. ;) [09:34] but you can see the Ubuntu as an option too [09:34] it's just not sold as developer edition [09:35] anyway, I went with the refurb [09:35] it comes with 1 year onsite anyway [09:35] are they a lot cheaper ? [09:35] £1,149.00 vs the ebay price £819.99 === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [09:36] o_O since when has a point-release (.1) of ubuntu been referred to as SP1? [09:37] since Dell [09:37] indeed [09:37] I was at a Dell event on Tuesday [09:37] Many of the Dell sales people had not seen Ubuntu in years [09:37] I'm glad they at least put the 0 in 04 [09:37] we demo'ed it on their XPS 18, and they were all "oooh! that's way nicer than the last time I looked" [09:38] I wince every time someone says 12.4 [09:38] JamesTait: too late. i bought something. I HAVE FAILED YOU. [09:38] What did you get? [09:39] popey: xbone, 4 games, £299 [09:39] directhex, not you as well! :-P [09:39] that's a point - the dell is shipping with 12.04?! I get LTS and all but that's ancient news [09:39] directhex, you could redeem yourself with your mono-fu. ;) [09:40] mono FTW? [09:40] diddledan: yeah, it sucks. I'm stuck on it on my current laptop because upgrading has been blocked by Dell [09:40] well, obviously I could override it but I don't want to === Hornet- is now known as Hornet === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:43] diddledan, well, maybe... my eldest likes to play openBVE, which uses Mono, but is broken on Trusty, apparently due to some bug in libgdiplus; I want to make a minimal testcase to demonstrate the problem, but I don't know enough about Mono and/or C# to get started. [09:44] I'm wondering how difficult it would be to write an ubuntu touch app in mono [09:45] using mono-qt [09:46] I'm expecting a rev of the XPS 13 soon [09:46] JamesTait: try mono-project mono repo [09:46] popey: I'm kind of hoping for it [09:46] I have a current-gen XPS12 (yay work), but my personal laptop is 5 years old and slowly dying and a Vaio [09:47] JamesTait: working here on trusty [09:47] JamesTait: with mono-project mono repo [09:49] my sqlite install doesn't show the .import command under .help, what's happened to it? [09:49] sqlite3? [09:50] woops, schoolboy error, thanks [09:50] assumed the default was 3 [09:51] directhex, that'd be a start. I'd prefer to figure out the bug in the Ubuntu package, but that'll get him going again (currently have the Saucy version of libgdiplus pinned, which also works). [09:52] JamesTait: honestly, i have no idea [09:52] directhex, you've already redeemed yourself, don't worry. :-P [09:53] JamesTait: my primary focus is what i'm paid to do, which is the mono-project repo. [09:53] JamesTait: are there qml bindings for mono? [09:53] (does there need to be)? [09:54] there are not, and any bindings for mono are awesome [09:54] could it not "just" use gles? [09:55] directhex, for bonus marks, though, if you know of a good Hello World introduction.... [09:55] +1 [09:55] qml bindings for mono? [09:55] would be interesting to demo. [09:56] I know we have sdl2 working under mir. [09:56] I see http://www.mono-project.com/docs/gui/gtksharp/hello-world/ but I'm not sure if that's the same thing. [09:56] JamesTait: hello world on which toolkit? [09:57] * JamesTait blinks. *whooosh* went the question as it passed over his head. [09:57] qml is essentially a qt javascript binding [09:57] you don't need to re-bind that to some other language, just use qt directly from mono [09:57] yeah, I probably went qt ☻ [09:57] *meant [09:57] i'm not sure what the status of qt bindings is right now [09:58] there have been a few, over the years [09:58] the problem is binding c++ is hard [09:58] binding c is easy [09:58] true [09:58] there was a C qt wrapper which there were mono bindings for, but it was slooooooooooooooow [09:58] although the python-qt stuff is great [09:58] makes it look easy [09:58] no idea how they did it [09:59] i am used to gtk, via mono [09:59] gtk# is "native" [09:59] every mono binding i've seen was fairly awful, tbh [09:59] it's a delight to use, especially designing custom widgets in MD then drag-and-dropping them into apps [09:59] directhex, binding c++ is hard - is that because c++ does weird things to function names in order to remain c-like? [09:59] and by mono i mean microsoft .net [10:00] directhex, ultimately I want to be able to get to a small program like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9280876/ [10:00] diddledan: largely [10:00] directhex, but I have no idea how to even structure that small piece of code, what files I need, or how to compile it. [10:00] diddledan: also garbage collection is hard, and marshalling managed vs unmanaged objects [10:01] directhex, so that's the level I'm at - if there's something that can get me over that, I can pick up the rest. It's just Java with a weird syntax, right? :-P [10:01] it's nowhere near as horrible as java [10:02] ali1234, few things are. ;) [10:03] well.. [10:03] I'd like you to meet government XSDs [10:03] MartijnVdS, I think I probably already have. [10:03] XSDs are evil in of themselves [10:04] I never understood the idea that you use xml to describe xml [10:04] diddledan: I have libraries to cope with them. But for most XSDs/services they're "ok speed" [10:04] and to explain the xml that descrives xml you have a dtd which is xml [10:05] * JamesTait worked on the Parliamentary library project years ago. [10:05] government XSDs? Lots of waiting to generate writers/readers for all the different bits [10:05] morning boys and girls. [10:05] brobostigon, o/ [10:06] morning JamesTait [10:06] in not unrelated news to programming: qt 5.4 release candidate is out [10:06] diddledan: JSONx [10:06] along with an rc of qt-creator 3.3 [10:06] MartijnVdS, what's the x? [10:06] binary? [10:06] diddledan: http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SS9H2Y_6.0.0/com.ibm.dp.xm.doc/json_jsonx.html [10:06] JSONx is an IBM® standard format to represent JSON as XML. The appliance converts JSON messages that are specified as JSON message type to JSONx. The appliance provides a style sheet that you can use to convert JSONx to JSON. [10:07] wtF? [10:07] that's .. wtf? [10:07] some people in my office type on the apple wireless keyboard, i've noticed they hit the keys *really* hard [10:07] on the other keyboards, other coleagues fingers float across keys [10:07] foobarry, I use the wired version, and I do too [10:07] the chiclet style seem really bad for you [10:08] foobarry, it's because they don't give much feedback so you whack them hard to get a response [10:08] diddledan: it's like talking on mobile phones -- you need to TALK LOUDLY because the audio has to go all the way to the cell tower first [10:08] Mechanical switches with clicks 4tw [10:08] they all seem to do it [10:08] Model M forever! (also have a Cherry with clickity switches) [10:08] it sounds like they are writing angry emails all day [10:09] yeah, that sounds like how I type [10:09] JamesTait: try http://paste.ubuntu.com/9280983/ [10:09] I like to really whack the return key at times, too [10:09] JamesTait: i intentionally haven't caught the exception - it's fatal and verbose without it, which is sorta what you want [10:09] * JamesTait <3's his Microsoft Sculpt Mobile Bluetooth keyboard. [10:10] JamesTait: mcs -r:System.Windows.Forms foo.cs; mono foo.exe [10:10] JamesTait: and what have you bought on buy nothing day? [10:10] * JamesTait adds directhex to the beer debt list. [10:11] JamesTait: http://beeroverip.org/ [10:11] Nothing, davmor2, obviously! I'm making a list to buy it all tomorrow instead. ;) [10:12] I have this one: http://media.bestofmicro.com/microsoft-all-in-,3-8-431684-22.png [10:12] (for emergencies) [10:12] keyboard wars? [10:15] JamesTait: can you actually afford all the beer you owe people? [10:16] free as in beer [10:16] this is why hermit lifestyle works well - you can offer all the beer you want as long as you don't actually meet anyone [10:16] bashrc, free beer?! [10:16] did someone say chromecast £18 [10:17] foobarry, not me [10:17] diddledan: he does meet people though :) [10:17] davmor2, in the same way most countries can afford their national debt, yes. [10:17] davmor2, see that's where he's going wrong [10:17] diddledan, don't listen to him. I'm not allowed out of the house. [10:18] JamesTait, I have that rule, too - self imposed in my case ;-) [10:18] Wow. vaapi makes it possible to actually do useful things on an atom [10:18] JamesTait: apart from sprints and oggcamp oh where you meet all the people you promise beer ;) [10:18] JamesTait isn't a bot? [10:18] * JamesTait beeps [10:19] i thought it was just a friendly name given the the greeting bot :D [10:19] lol [10:19] only jkinh [10:21] foobarry: no JamesTait is a poor imitation of a bot, but does do great morning greetings which is why we love him [10:22] I'm not sure whether to be offended or honoured. :-P [10:23] i would have automated that JamesTait years ago [10:23] but then ubuntu-uk wouldn't be the same [10:24] and people would discover the apparent friendly human greeting when it goes wrong and says, morning friends, happy $NULL day [10:24] leading to an eventual collapse of human society [10:24] if that hasn't already happened in N london already [10:25] See. I provide a valuable service. [10:25] yes, a human face in a robot world of self service tills and pay at the pump petrol [10:26] even ubuntu-in come here now in search of friendly faces [10:26] no one friendly in here [10:26] :PD: [10:26] Does anyone else get this problem where Update Manager launches itself in the background (security updates, most likely) but you can't alt-tab to it and have to quit it from the launcher and launch it manually? [10:27] JamesTait, yes [10:27] JamesTait, it usually happens overnight [10:27] for me [10:28] diddledan, I was going to suggest that, but wasn't sure if I was making that bit up. ;) [10:28] I get up in the morning to find it's opened while I was in bed but I can't focus it [10:28] Exactly. [10:28] Is there a bug for that? [10:28] I can't remember whether I found one or filed one or not [10:28] let me hunt [10:29] sounds like a bamf bug === roht is now known as bugfix [10:32] JamesTait: yes and I don't leave my pc on over night so it isn't that [10:33] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/993837 ? [10:33] Launchpad bug 993837 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Can't open Update Manager window after a while" [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:34] JamesTait, that looks similar, yes [10:34] * JamesTait metoos [10:34] metood too [10:36] I added tags for both trusty and utopic - because I've seen it in both [10:36] Oh, and it was only wobbling its icon at me to tell me I need to reboot. Oh well. [10:36] maybe that'll get a bit more attention [10:36] diddledan, good plan. [10:40] Anyone use syncthing on Android phone ? [10:50] Syncthing do block level syncing? === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [10:53] yep [10:53] Getting closer to my issue now === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [11:28] did someone die? [11:29] *silence* [11:29] if someone actually has died, I apologise [11:31] diddledan: no everyone is too busy buying stuff, it's black friday [11:31] I've not been paid yet [11:32] how many tv's does a chav need? [11:32] I feel so dull. I bought heating oil. [11:32] i bought a humbrol workstation [11:32] not as exctigin as it sounds. its a piece of moulded plastic [11:32] foobarry, is that a trick question? [11:33] screen size is relative to size of credit debt [11:33] /names/win 13 [11:36] ERROR (dkms apport): kernel package linux-headers-3.13.0-40-generic is not supported [11:36] virtualbox no likey [11:40] Samsung 840 EVO 1TB 2.5-inch Basic SATA Solid State Drive £240 [11:44] lol @ foreign-accented lady at hsbc - she said my home address as "winkley berry" [11:45] (it's spelt winklebury) [11:45] crinkley bottom? [11:45] foobarry, ?! 1TB?! [11:45] foobarry, I WANT! [11:45] amazon lightning deals, just started 3 mins ago [11:46] I've got a crinkly bottom [11:46] oh, they all went already [11:46] grr [11:46] heh [11:51] Glad I didn't order my kids game earlier this morning, just found it £14 cheaper! [11:52] From £59 down to £27 \o/ and earlier price of £40 ish [11:52] But the Argos site is straining under the load :/ [11:54] foobarry: waaaat [11:54] foobarry: where? [11:55] http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00E3W16OU/ref=gb1h_img_c-3_2147_d3685d84?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=0RXYDRRK0PM4JKBA0NMF&pf_rd_i=161428031&pf_rd_p=560262147 [11:55] coulda bagged some but i didn't know anyone wanted them [11:55] oh, there's some free [11:55] GO GO GO [11:55] diddledan: [11:57]