[00:00] <diddledan> lol, the xbone is already sold out
[00:04] <diddledan> "xbone" totally sounds pornographic to my sick mind
[00:04] <diddledan> but then, there isn't much that doesn't
[00:10] <directhex> wow, they had a 360 with 3 games and a year od xbox gold for £99
[00:21] <ging> tesco are meant to have a deal on xbox1 and ps4, there site is down, as is game's
[00:43] <popey> its up, but slow
[00:46] <directhex> i see no games discounts on tesco direct
[00:49] <popey> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-30212115
[00:49] <popey> they were taken off the plane I landed on, on tuesday
[00:50] <popey> we all had to stay seated as loads of cops and immigration people came on the plane
[00:53] <daftykins> ooh-err
[01:02] <zmoylan-pi> armed police?
[01:21] <directhex> pc world website is closed; 6 minute wait to access it
[01:21] <directhex> shopping hysteria...
[01:25] <zmoylan-pi> you'd think by now they'd have bots in app stores to queue in ecommerce sites and buy bargains for you :-)
[01:35] <directhex> "The queue is paused. "
[01:35] <directhex> i don't even want anything from currys. but i *must* know why their site is so loaded!
[01:37] <popey> http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/google-chromecast-18-tesco-instore-2063410
[01:37] <popey> interessin
[01:38] <popey> http://www.hotukdeals.com/black-friday is probably a good starting point
[01:38] <directhex> what *is* chromecast? why do i care?
[01:39] <popey> wat
[01:39] <popey> you dont know?
[01:40] <popey> i have 3 which i think is enough
[01:41] <daftykins> they don't fit my usage, personally
[01:41] <directhex> it's a thing that lets me stream my browser window to my tv. that's it, right?
[01:41] <popey> kinda
[01:42] <popey> it doesn't stream from your browser to the tv
[01:42] <popey> it streams the content you're looking at on your device to your tv
[01:42] <popey> useful if you dont have a smart tv
[01:42] <popey> or even if you do have a smart TV and want something faster
[01:43] <directhex> the number of things that sounds useful for is... small
[01:43] <popey> e.g. I can be watching "telly" and have my android tablet on my lap, watching a youtube video, press a button in the YT app and the telly turns over automagically and starts playing the YT vid
[01:43] <popey> meh
[01:43] <ahayzen_> so a wireless HDMI cable?
[01:43] <popey> youtube, netflix, iplayer are the main things I use it for
[01:43] <popey> well, not quite because the content has to be online
[01:43] <zmoylan-pi> i'm happy with pi for my micro pc usage
[01:44] <ahayzen_> popey, does ubuntu touch work with chromecast? ;)
[01:45] <popey> lulz
[01:45] <popey> ahayzen_: if you make an app, sure ☻
[01:45] <popey> chop chop! :D
[01:45]  * ahayzen_ gets to work lol
[01:46] <popey> \o/
[01:46] <directhex> time for bed.
[01:47] <popey> wise
[08:03] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:03] <MartijnVdS> hey moo
[08:04] <diplo> Morning MooDoo / MartijnVdS
[08:17] <Boumboum> Hi everyone !
[08:18] <diddledan> *yawn*
[08:18] <Boumboum> I installed Ubuntu MATE 14.10, but I have a problem
[08:19] <Boumboum> I can not to configure lightdm.conf in /etc/lightdm/ because it is not existing, I will want the auto login on startup
[08:20] <Boumboum> Someone can help me please ?
[08:28] <MooDoo> I'm sure that if someone can they will, but it's still early :D
[08:29] <Boumboum> You MooDoo ? ^^
[08:29] <MooDoo> i've no idea, i've never played with mate.
[08:29] <MooDoo> sorry
[08:29] <diddledan> people haven't got into work yet so they're probably busy until they sit down at their desk to procrastinate
[08:31] <Boumboum> Thank you MooDoo
[08:31] <Boumboum> Ok diddledan I will wait :)
[08:32] <MooDoo> Boumboum: take a look at this, it might be in a different place the conf file - http://askubuntu.com/questions/451950/how-to-configure-lightdm-to-allow-manual-logins-in-ubuntu-14-04
[08:32] <diplo> Boumboum, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM has an entry for adding auto login
[08:33] <Boumboum> lightdm.conf is not existing in /etc/lightdm
[08:33] <MooDoo> is it this one The file to edit is now located in /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d, and is called: 50-ubuntu.conf
[08:34] <MartijnVdS> Boumboum: does mate even use lightdm>
[08:34] <MooDoo> read that page i sent you it might be relavent.
[08:36] <Boumboum> Thank you MooDoo
[08:40] <Myrtti> I'm getting a 'new' laptop next week \o/
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> refurb?
[08:42] <Myrtti> yeah http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-XPS-13-ULTRABOOK-9333-3-1ghz-i7-8GB-256SSD-1080p-FHD-Touch-Screen-WIN-8-1-/351203848832?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item51c5617280
[08:43] <directhex> okay. black friday protip, you do not have long
[08:43] <Boumboum> Thank you diplo also :-)
[08:43] <diddledan> directhex, what did you miss?
[08:43] <directhex> GAME sold out of their headline deal (xbone, 4 games, £5 xbl store credit) at midnight. in-store they are pre-selling a second stock delivery. stores are deserted this second, will not remain that way for long
[08:43] <MartijnVdS> whoa kindles are cheap today
[08:44] <diplo> I left the pub last night at 23:30, 1/4 mile queue to get in our local Game store and we live in a smallish town :/
[08:44] <directhex> i wandered into GAME Banbury at 7:50am, the manager wandered out & said they could pre-sell 22 more bundles but they didn't even have the stock codes to run it through the tills, so had to hang around for 10 mins for them to work it out
[08:45] <directhex> you *may* have success if you RUNDONTWALK to the store NOW
[08:49] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: ubuntu mate does
[08:49] <directhex> stores are *deserted*. it is not midnight, it is also not normal opening yet
[08:49] <popey> \o/ ubuntu mate hilight ☻
[08:49] <ali1234> trouble with lightdm, auto-login is fairly broken anyway
[08:50] <popey> Myrtti: they're nice!
[08:50] <Myrtti> popey: I thought so too
[08:50] <Myrtti> I've been looking for one for nearly two years
[08:51] <Myrtti> last year I almost went for one, but then got a job with a work laptop
[08:51] <popey> I covet Laura's one whenever I'm there
[08:51] <Boumboum> I will be back !
[08:51] <Myrtti> now the contract is ending, I need a laptop
[08:51] <popey> I also had a look at the dell docking station earlier this week
[08:51] <popey> bet that still doesn't work on Linux
[08:51] <popey> ali1234: you knew something about those? display ports hanging off usb?
[08:51] <knightwise> morning everyone
[08:52] <ali1234> i don't know anything about them
[08:52] <Myrtti> oh? so there's been a regression from Latitude times?
[08:52] <popey> ok
[08:53] <popey> Myrtti: I'm not talking about the proper docking stations, but the external brick with lots of ports in it
[08:53] <popey> I recall people telling me Linux didn't support displays like that very well..
[08:53] <popey> can't recall who it was though, might be fixed now of course
[08:53] <ali1234> it doesn't
[08:53] <ali1234> especially if you use some silly desktop that requires acceleration, because USB framebuffers never support it
[08:54] <directhex> displaylink have 2 eras of chipset
[08:54] <directhex> the usb2 one should be well supported on linux
[08:54] <popey> "You have asked Firefox to connect securely to accessories.dell.com, but we can't confirm that your connection is secure."
[08:54] <directhex> the usb3 one is not last i checked
[08:54] <popey> "accessories.dell.com uses an invalid security certificate."
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> invalid? how?
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> did they forget to include the CA tree
[08:55] <popey> https://imgur.com/ItrCZBi
[08:56] <ali1234> assets.pokemon.com
[08:56] <knightwise> ouch...
[08:56] <ali1234> looks like CDN fail?
[08:56] <MartijnVdS> looks like someone messed up their CDN
[08:57] <knightwise> popey , do you know if the rumor is true that you can run ubuntu touch on the Oneplus ?
[08:58] <diddledan> speaking of touch - the ml mentioned gold master being minted - does that mean it's "stable"?
[08:58] <popey> knightwise: dunno if anyone has ported it to that device
[08:58] <popey> would be nice to
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: optimism! :)
[08:58] <popey> diddledan: it still has bugs
[08:58] <knightwise> I just got mine yesterday
[08:58] <popey> the gold master is just the one we are sending to the OEM for them to QA
[08:58] <knightwise> amazing what you get for 300 bucks
[08:58] <diddledan> aah
[08:58] <popey> they will likely bounce it back and tell us they found bugs we didn't
[08:58] <popey> which we expect
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> "It crashed yo"
[08:59] <popey> knightwise: yeah, marxjohnson has one too
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> (that's what bug reports often look like here :( )
[08:59] <popey> hah
[08:59] <diddledan> MartijnVdS, I feel your pain
[08:59] <popey> potentially it could be a good device to port to
[08:59] <diddledan> MartijnVdS, do you get screenshots in msword documents, too? :-/
[08:59] <popey> if I had a One Plus I'd give it a go
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: yeah. Good thing we added a request-id to our error messages, so we can actually call up a stacktrace when we need it
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: and .. say .. which URL/method they were accessing at the time
[09:00] <diddledan> nice
[09:00] <popey> amusingly, mine crashed just now
[09:00] <popey> well, crashed at 5am
[09:00] <popey> http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2014-11-28-090020.png
[09:01] <diddledan> \o/
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: it led to a new problem. Request-ID is a hex code. And they mistype them *A LOT*
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> popey: cron.daily
[09:01] <popey> heh
[09:02] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: switch to base58check
[09:03] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: hmm.. that might work
[09:03] <MartijnVdS> People who work for local governments aren't the computer whizzes you'd hope them to be
[09:04] <shauno> most people working for local governments aren't anything we'd hope them to be :/
[09:04] <popey> no wai!
[09:05] <diddledan> count yourself lucky you only deal with the locals
[09:05] <diddledan> I often do stuff for the natinoals
[09:05]  * awilkins used to work for a governmental agency and resembles that remark
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: they're worse in a different way... (50 audits of all kinds later)
[09:06] <diddledan> :-)
[09:08] <diddledan> "this tool makes viral images in seconds" <-- how can they know it's viral before it actually goes viral?
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: they have it checked by antivirus, if it goes off, it's good
[09:09] <awilkins> They have a virus in them that exploits a 0-day in IE ?
[09:09] <diddledan> aah
[09:10] <shauno> perhaps their script has hep-e
[09:11] <diddledan> it really looks like a completely pointless "product", and they even have the gall to make it subscription: https://shareasimage.com/
[09:14]  * popey adds http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-0A36407-Bluetooth-Mouse-4-ways/dp/B009AELU06 to his wishlist
[09:14] <diddledan> "since using your AWESOME app, my 'shares' and 'likes' on Facebook + Twitter have gone up to the tune of 500%" <-- were they making and sharing images before and somehow the product magically made "better" ones?
[09:15] <Boumboum> I'm back !
[09:15] <diddledan> or are they comparing "no images at all" with "images by the product"
[09:16] <Boumboum> MooDoo AND diplo : Good, it's work !
[09:17] <Boumboum> I modified the file 60-lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf in /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.d/
[09:18] <diplo> Best hard drives to go in my MicroServer - 4TB recommendations ?
[09:18] <diplo> Need two
[09:18] <diddledan> red
[09:19] <diddledan> of the wd variety
[09:19] <diplo> Red ? WD Red ?
[09:20] <diplo> Blimey, they are pricey compared to others I've looked at
[09:21] <knightwise> I have the red drives too in my Synology
[09:21] <knightwise> they are pretty good !
[09:22] <Boumboum> Have good day, see next time ! Bye everyone ^^
[09:22] <knightwise> bye Boumboum
[09:23] <diplo> I just think the prices have gone up since I looked last week, some of the drives I was looking at last week were £70~ now all £100+
[09:24] <diddledan> diplo, black friday goes both ways :-p
[09:24] <diplo> Got 2 x 2tb Hitachi ones in there currently that have been in for about 3-4 years permanently, they were £45 at the time
[09:24] <diplo> It seems so diddledan :/
[09:26] <Myrtti> ooh, there's three more of those XPS 13's now on ebay
[09:26] <Myrtti> cool beans
[09:26] <popey> you ordering one?
[09:27] <knightwise> those are damn pretty laptops !
[09:27] <Myrtti> popey: dsample did last night to my knowledge, for my Christmas present since I need a new laptop
[09:28] <popey> heh
[09:28] <popey> nice
[09:29] <knightwise> dell doesnt make them anymore do they
[09:30] <Myrtti> it's a bit on the higher end of the price range of what I was looking at but it looks to be a good machine, and good for me
[09:30] <Myrtti> knightwise: sure they do
[09:30] <knightwise> Myrtti I did some research on them and its a great machine for that price
[09:31] <Myrtti> http://www.dell.com/uk/business/p/xps-13-9333/fs
[09:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Buy Nothing Day! :-D
[09:33] <diddledan> JamesTait, that's not a real celebration!
[09:33] <Myrtti> or http://www.dell.com/uk/p/xps-13-9333/pd?ref=PD_OC
[09:33] <Myrtti> I'm not sure what's the difference really
[09:34] <JamesTait> diddledan, my bank account disagrees. ;)
[09:34] <Myrtti> but you can see the Ubuntu as an option too
[09:34] <Myrtti> it's just not sold as developer edition
[09:35] <Myrtti> anyway, I went with the refurb
[09:35] <Myrtti> it comes with 1 year onsite anyway
[09:35] <knightwise> are they a lot cheaper ?
[09:35] <Myrtti> £1,149.00 vs the ebay price £819.99
[09:36] <diddledan> o_O since when has a point-release (.1) of ubuntu been referred to as SP1?
[09:37] <Myrtti> since Dell
[09:37] <popey> indeed
[09:37] <popey> I was at a Dell event on Tuesday
[09:37] <popey> Many of the Dell sales people had not seen Ubuntu in years
[09:37] <diddledan> I'm glad they at least put the 0 in 04
[09:37] <popey> we demo'ed it on their XPS 18, and they were all "oooh! that's way nicer than the last time I looked"
[09:38] <diddledan> I wince every time someone says 12.4
[09:38] <directhex> JamesTait: too late. i bought something. I HAVE FAILED YOU.
[09:38] <popey> What did you get?
[09:39] <directhex> popey: xbone, 4 games, £299
[09:39] <JamesTait> directhex, not you as well! :-P
[09:39] <diddledan> that's a point - the dell is shipping with 12.04?! I get LTS and all but that's ancient news
[09:39] <JamesTait> directhex, you could redeem yourself with your mono-fu. ;)
[09:40] <diddledan> mono FTW?
[09:40] <Myrtti> diddledan: yeah, it sucks. I'm stuck on it on my current laptop because upgrading has been blocked by Dell
[09:40] <Myrtti> well, obviously I could override it but I don't want to
[09:43] <JamesTait> diddledan, well, maybe... my eldest likes to play openBVE, which uses Mono, but is broken on Trusty, apparently due to some bug in libgdiplus; I want to make a minimal testcase to demonstrate the problem, but I don't know enough about Mono and/or C# to get started.
[09:44] <diddledan> I'm wondering how difficult it would be to write an ubuntu touch app in mono
[09:45] <diddledan> using mono-qt
[09:46] <popey> I'm expecting a rev of the XPS 13 soon
[09:46] <directhex> JamesTait: try mono-project mono repo
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> popey: I'm kind of hoping for it
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> I have a current-gen XPS12 (yay work), but my personal laptop is 5 years old and slowly dying and a Vaio
[09:47] <directhex> JamesTait: working here on trusty
[09:47] <directhex> JamesTait: with mono-project mono repo
[09:49] <foobarry> my sqlite install doesn't show the .import command under .help, what's happened to it?
[09:49] <popey> sqlite3?
[09:50] <foobarry> woops, schoolboy error, thanks
[09:50] <foobarry> assumed the default was 3
[09:51] <JamesTait> directhex, that'd be a start. I'd prefer to figure out the bug in the Ubuntu package, but that'll get him going again (currently have the Saucy version of libgdiplus pinned, which also works).
[09:52] <directhex> JamesTait: honestly, i have no idea
[09:52] <JamesTait> directhex, you've already redeemed yourself, don't worry. :-P
[09:53] <directhex> JamesTait: my primary focus is what i'm paid to do, which is the mono-project repo.
[09:53] <popey> JamesTait: are there qml bindings for mono?
[09:53] <popey> (does there need to be)?
[09:54] <directhex> there are not, and any bindings for mono are awesome
[09:54] <popey> could it not "just" use gles?
[09:55] <JamesTait> directhex, for bonus marks, though, if you know of a good Hello World introduction....
[09:55] <popey> +1
[09:55] <ali1234> qml bindings for mono?
[09:55] <popey> would be interesting to demo.
[09:56] <popey> I know we have sdl2 working under mir.
[09:56] <JamesTait> I see http://www.mono-project.com/docs/gui/gtksharp/hello-world/ but I'm not sure if that's the same thing.
[09:56] <directhex> JamesTait: hello world on which toolkit?
[09:57]  * JamesTait blinks. *whooosh* went the question as it passed over his head.
[09:57] <ali1234> qml is essentially a qt javascript binding
[09:57] <ali1234> you don't need to re-bind that to some other language, just use qt directly from mono
[09:57] <popey> yeah, I probably went qt ☻
[09:57] <popey> *meant
[09:57] <directhex> i'm not sure what the status of qt bindings is right now
[09:58] <directhex> there have been a few, over the years
[09:58] <directhex> the problem is binding c++ is hard
[09:58] <directhex> binding c is easy
[09:58] <ali1234> true
[09:58] <directhex> there was a C qt wrapper which there were mono bindings for, but it was slooooooooooooooow
[09:58] <ali1234> although the python-qt stuff is great
[09:58] <ali1234> makes it look easy
[09:58] <ali1234> no idea how they did it
[09:59] <directhex> i am used to gtk, via mono
[09:59] <directhex> gtk# is "native"
[09:59] <ali1234> every mono binding i've seen was fairly awful, tbh
[09:59] <directhex> it's a delight to use, especially designing custom widgets in MD then drag-and-dropping them into apps
[09:59] <diddledan> directhex, binding c++ is hard - is that because c++ does weird things to function names in order to remain c-like?
[09:59] <ali1234> and by mono i mean microsoft .net
[10:00] <JamesTait> directhex, ultimately I want to be able to get to a small program like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9280876/
[10:00] <directhex> diddledan: largely
[10:00] <JamesTait> directhex, but I have no idea how to even structure that small piece of code, what files I need, or how to compile it.
[10:00] <directhex> diddledan: also garbage collection is hard, and marshalling managed vs unmanaged objects
[10:01] <JamesTait> directhex, so that's the level I'm at - if there's something that can get me over that, I can pick up the rest. It's just Java with a weird syntax, right? :-P
[10:01] <ali1234> it's nowhere near as horrible as java
[10:02] <JamesTait> ali1234, few things are. ;)
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> well..
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> I'd like you to meet government XSDs
[10:03] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, I think I probably already have.
[10:03] <diddledan> XSDs are evil in of themselves
[10:04] <diddledan> I never understood the idea that you use xml to describe xml
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: I have libraries to cope with them. But for most XSDs/services they're "ok speed"
[10:04] <diddledan> and to explain the xml that descrives xml you have a dtd which is xml
[10:05]  * JamesTait worked on the Parliamentary library project years ago.
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> government XSDs? Lots of waiting to generate writers/readers for all the different bits
[10:05] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:05] <JamesTait> brobostigon, o/
[10:06] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait
[10:06] <diddledan> in not unrelated news to programming: qt 5.4 release candidate is out
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: JSONx
[10:06] <diddledan> along with an rc of qt-creator 3.3
[10:06] <diddledan> MartijnVdS, what's the x?
[10:06] <diddledan> binary?
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SS9H2Y_6.0.0/com.ibm.dp.xm.doc/json_jsonx.html
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> JSONx is an IBM® standard format to represent JSON as XML. The appliance converts JSON messages that are specified as JSON message type to JSONx. The appliance provides a style sheet that you can use to convert JSONx to JSON.
[10:07] <diddledan> wtF?
[10:07] <diddledan> that's .. wtf?
[10:07] <foobarry> some people in my office type on the apple wireless keyboard, i've noticed they hit the keys *really* hard
[10:07] <foobarry> on the other keyboards, other coleagues fingers float across keys
[10:07] <diddledan> foobarry, I use the wired version, and I do too
[10:07] <foobarry> the chiclet style seem really bad for you
[10:08] <diddledan> foobarry, it's because they don't give much feedback so you whack them hard to get a response
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: it's like talking on mobile phones -- you need to TALK LOUDLY because the audio has to go all the way to the cell tower first
[10:08] <awilkins> Mechanical switches with clicks 4tw
[10:08] <foobarry> they all seem to do it
[10:08] <awilkins> Model M forever!  (also have a Cherry with clickity switches)
[10:08] <foobarry> it sounds like they are writing angry emails all day
[10:09] <diddledan> yeah, that sounds like how I type
[10:09] <directhex> JamesTait: try http://paste.ubuntu.com/9280983/
[10:09] <diddledan> I like to really whack the return key at times, too
[10:09] <directhex> JamesTait: i intentionally haven't caught the exception - it's fatal and verbose without it, which is sorta what you want
[10:09]  * JamesTait <3's his Microsoft Sculpt Mobile Bluetooth keyboard.
[10:10] <directhex> JamesTait: mcs -r:System.Windows.Forms foo.cs; mono foo.exe
[10:10] <davmor2> JamesTait: and what have you bought on buy nothing day?
[10:10]  * JamesTait adds directhex to the beer debt list.
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: http://beeroverip.org/
[10:11] <JamesTait> Nothing, davmor2, obviously! I'm making a list to buy it all tomorrow instead. ;)
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> I have this one: http://media.bestofmicro.com/microsoft-all-in-,3-8-431684-22.png
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> (for emergencies)
[10:12] <bashrc> keyboard wars?
[10:15] <davmor2> JamesTait: can you actually afford all the beer you owe people?
[10:16] <bashrc> free as in beer
[10:16] <diddledan> this is why hermit lifestyle works well - you can offer all the beer you want as long as you don't actually meet anyone
[10:16] <diddledan> bashrc, free beer?!
[10:16] <foobarry> did someone say chromecast £18
[10:17] <diddledan> foobarry, not me
[10:17] <davmor2> diddledan: he does meet people though :)
[10:17] <JamesTait> davmor2, in the same way most countries can afford their national debt, yes.
[10:17] <diddledan> davmor2, see that's where he's going wrong
[10:17] <JamesTait> diddledan, don't listen to him. I'm not allowed out of the house.
[10:18] <diddledan> JamesTait, I have that rule, too - self imposed in my case ;-)
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> Wow. vaapi makes it possible to actually do useful things on an atom
[10:18] <davmor2> JamesTait: apart from sprints and oggcamp oh where you meet all the people you promise beer ;)
[10:18] <foobarry> JamesTait isn't a bot?
[10:18]  * JamesTait beeps
[10:19] <foobarry> i thought it was just a friendly name given the the greeting bot :D
[10:19] <diddledan> lol
[10:19] <foobarry> only jkinh
[10:21] <davmor2> foobarry: no JamesTait is a poor imitation of a bot, but does do great morning greetings which is why we love him
[10:22] <JamesTait> I'm not sure whether to be offended or honoured. :-P
[10:23] <foobarry> i would have automated that JamesTait years ago
[10:23] <foobarry> but then ubuntu-uk wouldn't be the same
[10:24] <foobarry> and people would discover the apparent friendly human greeting when it goes wrong and says, morning friends, happy $NULL day
[10:24] <foobarry> leading to an eventual collapse of human society
[10:24] <foobarry> if that hasn't already happened in N london already
[10:25] <JamesTait> See. I provide a valuable service.
[10:25] <foobarry> yes, a human face in a robot world of self service tills and pay at the pump petrol
[10:26] <foobarry> even ubuntu-in come here now in search of friendly faces
[10:26] <MooDoo> no one friendly in here
[10:26] <MooDoo> :PD:
[10:26] <JamesTait> Does anyone else get this problem where Update Manager launches itself in the background (security updates, most likely) but you can't alt-tab to it and have to quit it from the launcher and launch it manually?
[10:27] <diddledan> JamesTait, yes
[10:27] <diddledan> JamesTait, it usually happens overnight
[10:27] <diddledan> for me
[10:28] <JamesTait> diddledan, I was going to suggest that, but wasn't sure if I was making that bit up. ;)
[10:28] <diddledan> I get up in the morning to find it's opened while I was in bed but I can't focus it
[10:28] <JamesTait> Exactly.
[10:28] <JamesTait> Is there a bug for that?
[10:28] <diddledan> I can't remember whether I found one or filed one or not
[10:28] <diddledan> let me hunt
[10:29] <popey> sounds like a bamf bug
[10:32] <davmor2> JamesTait: yes and I don't leave my pc on over night so it isn't that
[10:33] <JamesTait> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/993837 ?
[10:34] <diddledan> JamesTait, that looks similar, yes
[10:34]  * JamesTait metoos
[10:34] <diddledan> metood too
[10:36] <diddledan> I added tags for both trusty and utopic - because I've seen it in both
[10:36] <JamesTait> Oh, and it was only wobbling its icon at me to tell me I need to reboot. Oh well.
[10:36] <diddledan> maybe that'll get a bit more attention
[10:36] <JamesTait> diddledan, good plan.
[10:40] <diplo> Anyone use syncthing on Android phone ?
[10:50] <awilkins> Syncthing do block level syncing?
[10:53] <diplo> yep
[10:53] <diplo> Getting closer to my issue now
[11:28] <diddledan> did someone die?
[11:29] <diddledan> *silence*
[11:29] <diddledan> if someone actually has died, I apologise
[11:31] <davmor2> diddledan: no everyone is too busy buying stuff, it's black friday
[11:31] <diddledan> I've not been paid yet
[11:32] <foobarry> how many tv's does a chav need?
[11:32] <shauno> I feel so dull.  I bought heating oil.
[11:32] <foobarry> i bought a humbrol workstation
[11:32] <foobarry> not as exctigin as it sounds. its a piece of moulded plastic
[11:32] <diddledan> foobarry, is that a trick question?
[11:33] <foobarry> screen size is relative to size of credit debt
[11:33] <brobostigon> /names/win 13
[11:36] <foobarry> ERROR (dkms apport): kernel package linux-headers-3.13.0-40-generic is not supported
[11:36] <foobarry> virtualbox no likey
[11:40] <foobarry> Samsung 840 EVO 1TB 2.5-inch Basic SATA Solid State Drive £240
[11:44] <diddledan> lol @ foreign-accented lady at hsbc - she said my home address as "winkley berry"
[11:45] <diddledan> (it's spelt winklebury)
[11:45] <foobarry> crinkley bottom?
[11:45] <diddledan> foobarry, ?! 1TB?!
[11:45] <diddledan> foobarry, I WANT!
[11:45] <foobarry> amazon lightning deals, just started 3 mins ago
[11:46] <diddledan> I've got a crinkly bottom
[11:46] <foobarry> oh, they all went already
[11:46] <diddledan> grr
[11:46] <foobarry> heh
[11:51] <diplo> Glad I didn't order my kids game earlier this morning, just found it £14 cheaper!
[11:52] <diplo> From £59 down to £27 \o/ and earlier price of £40 ish
[11:52] <diplo> But the Argos site is straining under the load :/
[11:54] <popey> foobarry: waaaat
[11:54] <popey> foobarry: where?
[11:55] <foobarry> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00E3W16OU/ref=gb1h_img_c-3_2147_d3685d84?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=0RXYDRRK0PM4JKBA0NMF&pf_rd_i=161428031&pf_rd_p=560262147
[11:55] <foobarry> coulda bagged some but i didn't know anyone wanted them
[11:55] <foobarry> oh, there's some free
[11:55] <foobarry> GO GO GO
[11:55] <foobarry> diddledan:
[11:57] <foobarry> backets are expiring
[11:58] <diddledan> oops
[11:58] <diddledan> damn you foobarry
[11:59] <foobarry> doesn't particular interest me
[11:59] <foobarry> and i just dropped £35k on extra 18m2 in my house :(
[11:59] <diddledan> Your Amazon.co.uk order of "Samsung 840 EVO 1TB..."
[11:59] <diddledan> foobarry, you suck!
[12:00] <foobarry> lol
[12:00] <foobarry> popey has gone quiet too
[12:00] <diddledan> foobarry, quit making me buy things
[12:00] <popey> hah
[12:00] <popey> nah, I am resisting
[12:01] <foobarry> i am also reisting urge to buy scalextric sets
[12:01] <foobarry> i will succumb another year though
[12:01] <foobarry> as i want to play ont he digital version
[12:01] <diddledan> wow they've dropped to only 75% claimed now
[12:03] <foobarry> which is 15mins after the initial opening, as baskets have expired
[12:03] <foobarry> a lot of people grab first and look later ;)
[12:04] <diplo> Can any of the UK sites handle traffic!
[12:04] <diplo> Queue for currys/argos/tescos
[12:05] <shauno> how british.  needs to be on steam - Queue Simulator 2014
[12:05] <popey> *queue* for a *website*
[12:05] <popey> yes, ridiculous
[12:05] <davmor2> popey: you're resisting buying stuff?  pfffff I find that hard to believe
[12:05] <popey> i know right!?
[12:05] <davmor2> popey: have you seen the Game website?
[12:05] <diplo> 34 mins for Currys, was an hour
[12:06] <diplo> Argos let me add to basket and then stuck with overloaded again
[12:06] <diplo> hah davmor2 that's down as well
[12:06] <davmor2> popey: currently a holding page, been down since midnight
[12:06] <foobarry> this is gonna backfire in future
[12:06] <popey> haha
[12:06] <foobarry> nobody will do chrimbo shopping until 28 nov
[12:06] <popey> http://vimeo.com/113073357 via directhex
[12:07] <shauno> lol, 'asda' just seems out of place in that sentence
[12:07] <diplo> I'm just going to drive into town I think
[12:08] <diddledan> shauno, chavs
[12:09] <shauno> nah.  I think it's half intentional.  look at all the cameramen lined up in the store waiting to watch
[12:09] <shauno> it's all set up like the running of the bulls, and then we blame the bulls
[12:10] <foobarry> i love it when people turn up to the store at midnight and say "its madness" as if they aren't mad at all, just everybody else
[12:10] <directhex> shauno: asda invited the press, so they could demonstrate their well-organised "safe excitement"
[12:11] <directhex> http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic sums up most of these Black Friday deals (especially Asda's cheap TVs) wonderfully
[12:13] <popey> heh
[12:16] <diplo> rah got through and reserved \o/
[12:21] <Myrtti> I have to say, I can't wait to update from spinning rust to SSD
[12:22] <Myrtti> most of the time my computer seems to grind to a halt when the disk is doing spinny spinny
[12:22] <Myrtti> like right now
[12:22] <diddledan> Myrtti, my work laptop is like that
[12:22] <Myrtti> diddledan: sad thing is, this is a year old laptop.
[12:22] <diddledan> I swear it never used to be this bad
[12:22] <Myrtti> then again, they're upgrading all the laptops to have SSD
[12:22] <shauno> I can't be the only one who's considered sneaking a spare ssd into the work lappy :/
[12:23] <Myrtti> I just haven't bothered since it's not a one day job for me and I knew that I'll have to return the laptop soon anyway
[12:28] <awilkins> Myrtti, I've got bcache going on the corporate issue laptop
[12:29] <awilkins> Myrtti, 32GB mSATA SSD + 750GB of rust
[12:29] <awilkins> It's super spiffy quick
[12:29] <popey> do you have to dedicate the ssd to bcache?
[12:29] <popey> or can you give over a bit of the disk to bcache?
[12:29] <awilkins> popey, You can give it a partition
[12:30] <awilkins> Any block device works I think
[12:30] <popey> ah
[12:30] <popey> ta
[12:30] <awilkins> I found a good tutorial
[12:30] <Myrtti> well I'm giving this away in a few weeks so it's all moot
[12:30] <Myrtti> and XPS 13 \o/
[12:30] <awilkins> He put /efi and /boot on the SSD but mine are on the rust
[12:35] <MartijnVdS> I installed Ubuntu on the 4GB eMMC in a NUC (DE3815TYKHE)
[12:36] <awilkins> http://www.wdong.org/wordpress/blog/2014/05/28/installing-ubuntu-14-04-to-bcache/
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> .. turns out Ubuntu Server doesn't come with the sdhci-pci driver (I had to get the .ko + its deps out of the linux-image-extra deb and insmod them before doing the partition stuff)
[13:07] <Laney> new CAMRA card
[13:07] <Laney> it's an exciting day!
[13:07] <brobostigon> :)
[13:25] <popey> anyone know how to map "ata1.02" in dmesg to actual drive serial number?
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> I'd go counting ports on the SATA controller
[13:27] <halt> Hi All, I try to find out where the file browser "Connect to a server" dialogue store the history ( I have few record I whould like to delete )
[13:29] <popey> halt: ~/.config/nautilus/servers
[13:29] <halt> popey: Cool thanks I have a look
[13:29] <popey> I _think_
[13:30] <popey> ooh, lsscsi
[13:31] <halt> popey: That's the one managed to clear it out thanks.
[13:31] <popey> Great!
[13:35] <davmor2> popey: I just saw the lsscsi and thought that's not how you spell irssi ;)
[13:38]  * popey looks at these two disks...
[13:38] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9283093/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/9283094/
[13:38] <popey> trying to figure out which one of them is http://paste.ubuntu.com/9283050/
[13:38] <popey> the one with the errors
[13:48] <awilkins> popey, Looks like the one mounted on /dev/sdg
[13:49] <awilkins> But no idea which one of the former pages that is
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> popey: my machine has entries for both scsi and ata for the same drive, doesn't yours?
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> [    1.850747] ata1.00: ATA-9: SAMSUNG SSD PM841 mSATA 256GB, DXT43D0Q, max UDMA/133
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> [    1.851696] scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access     ATA      SAMSUNG SSD PM84 3D0Q PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
[13:52] <awilkins> popey, hdparm -i /dev/sdg  ?
[13:53] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9283261/
[13:54] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9283274/ is grepping for scsi in the kern.log
[13:54] <popey> (dmesg has rolled round with all these ata errors)
[13:54] <awilkins> Reckon it's probably that one then : http://paste.ubuntu.com/9283094/
[13:54] <popey> what makes you say that?
[13:54] <awilkins> Errors are reporting on ATA1.02
[13:55] <awilkins> /dev/sdg is [0:2:0:0]
[13:55] <awilkins> /dev/sdg has the serial number ending 702
[13:55] <awilkins> Which matches the serial on the second page
[13:56] <awilkins> Model matches
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> popey: you can look around in /sys/class/ata_port/ata1/ -- it should have a "host" directory which contains "target" directories
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> those target dirs = SCSI device numbers
[13:57] <popey> aha!
[13:59] <MartijnVdS> ata*
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://serverfault.com/questions/242067/which-hard-drive-corresponds-to-ata1-00-and-ata12-00 :)
[14:01] <popey> thats where I discovered lsscsi ☻
[14:03] <popey> ok, will yank all the disks out in a bit and find the 702 one.
[14:07] <diddledan> lol @ infrastructure coming out of the wazoo
[14:07] <popey> ☻
[14:07] <diddledan> I use that term, too :-p
[14:07] <popey> haha
[14:07] <diddledan> sometimes it takes the variant of "up the wazoo"
[14:08] <diddledan> I expect most of the folks that run black friday deals are hosting extra capacity with amazon anyway. amazon pretty much runs the entire internet
[14:10] <popey> \o/ disk yanked
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> popey: testing your btrfs again? :)
[14:13] <diplo> Anyone know what the LG G2 is like ? £150 on Vodafone today
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> diplo: it's nexus 5-y apparently
[14:14] <diplo> I'm looking at paying £150 for a second hand nexus 5 :/
[14:14] <popey> gya
[14:15] <directhex> got my xbone \o/
[14:15] <popey> \o/
[14:15] <MartijnVdS> diplo: (also, you're outputting Latin1 somehow?)
[14:15] <diplo>  ?
[14:18] <popey> so now I'm gonna have to do a btrfs scrub & balance and buy a new disk to replace this one
[14:18] <popey> might have to get a bigger one
[14:21] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72heZxt2RlU
[14:23] <diddledan> now I see why there's moaning about ubisoft and the game (assassins creed: unity)
[14:23] <diddledan> but, I lol'd
[14:33] <davmor2> popey: quick while the black friday sale is still on find one cheap ;)
[14:39] <Azelphur> popey: drives? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00J0O5R2I/#customerReviews
[14:39] <Azelphur> cheap drives \o/
[14:41] <diddledan> Azelphur, we're in the UK
[14:41] <diddledan> Azelphur, we don't do $
[14:41] <Azelphur> diddledan: me too, worth the effort.
[14:41] <Azelphur> for that price
[14:42] <diddledan> except it'll attract import duty
[14:42] <MartijnVdS> £££
[14:47] <diddledan> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3RQs-NCcAEKUV8.png
[14:47] <awilkins> Woo, syncthing works
[14:47] <awilkins> At least for the trivial case of a text file that says "CAT POOPIES"
[14:48] <diddledan> and they said armageddon was a myth
[14:48] <diplo> awilkins, seems to work well for me
[14:49] <diplo> Got it syncing Calibre library from 4 machines, my phone as well and  photos amongst other things
[14:49] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, You mean you are seeing the two-char £ sign?
[14:49] <Azelphur> Anyone on the lookout for a budget phone, Android one is hitting Amazon Black friday sales
[14:49] <Azelphur> £130 now, gonna be cheap as hell for a really nice phone.
[14:49] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, Doesn't that mean your client doesn't support unicode properly? (like Slashdot?)
[14:50] <awilkins> Azelphur, You mean the Karbonn Sparkle V ?
[14:50] <Azelphur> awilkins: yup
[14:51] <awilkins> £99 according to the Telegraph
[14:51] <Azelphur> yea, good deal.
[14:52] <diplo> Azelphur, yeah I am :)
[14:52] <Azelphur> diplo: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00OCHDUE0
[14:52] <Azelphur> goes on sale at 3:40pm
[14:52] <diddledan> what's "android one"?
[14:53] <Azelphur> diddledan: it's a new initiative by google to produce low power, always updated phones.
[14:53] <diddledan> aah
[14:53] <diplo> http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/shop/pay-as-you-go/lg-g2-payg/sku84565-black
[14:53] <Azelphur> so it's on 4.4 now but guaranteed to be supported on the latest version of Android for 2 years.
[14:53] <diplo> looking at getting that
[14:53] <diddledan> I want an ubuntu phone
[14:53] <popey> me too!
[14:53] <Azelphur> diplo: this is much cheaper, but the LG is better.
[14:54] <diplo> Azelphur, £20 more and you get a lot more powerful one
[14:54] <Azelphur> diplo: no, £130 is the before-sale price
[14:54] <diplo> ah right
[14:54] <Azelphur> at 3:40 that price is gonna drop like a stone
[14:55] <diplo> Not sure on that, will look at the price first though
[14:55] <diddledan> does it run ubuntu?
[14:56] <Azelphur> diplo: http://www.amazon.co.uk/discounts-offers-pc-electronics/b/ref=amb_link_174079207_11?ie=UTF8&node=590987031&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=left-3&pf_rd_r=037G55ZPSE18WMWF5XRF&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=551464927&pf_rd_i=161428031
[14:56] <Azelphur> diplo: watch it on that page, as soon as it becomes available hit add to basket, you get 15 minutes to decide.
[14:56] <Azelphur> the stock will go real fast, so have your finger on the button. :)
[14:57] <zmoylan-pi> it's like some terrible laggy video game :-)
[14:57] <Azelphur> indeed :D
[14:57] <diplo> ta
[15:03] <awilkins> Why did we have to import Black Friday from the US anyway
[15:07] <diddledan> awilkins, because thanksgiving
[15:07] <awilkins> It is NOT turkey day here yet
[15:07] <bashrc> it's based on a holiday we don't even have
[15:08] <diddledan> what are they giving thanks for anyway?
[15:08] <diddledan> is it anti-british?
[15:08] <awilkins> Grr. Commercial parasitism
[15:08]  * bashrc thinks everyone should go shopping on Polar Bear day
[15:08] <awilkins> I think so, acually
[15:08] <Azelphur> awilkins: my response is "oooo £88 5TB hard drives"
[15:08] <awilkins> Isn't thanksgiving for the gifts from the Native Americans to the Pilgrim Fathers or something
[15:09] <bashrc> yes, afaik it's not the same as independence day
[15:09] <awilkins> Surely Black Friday should be the thanksgiving for the gifts the European immigrants gave to the Natvie americans
[15:09] <zmoylan-pi> i thought it was a reminder to watch 'planes, trains and automobiles' ;-)
[15:09] <awilkins> e.g. - people should spread smallpox with blankets
[15:09] <awilkins> And buy each others land for a few beads and a bottle of whiskey
[15:09] <diddledan> awilkins, it looks, according to wiki, to be their equivalent of our "harvest festival"
[15:10] <diddledan> which only schoolkids really do
[15:11] <daftykins> oh lawd i remember that
[15:11] <daftykins> for some reason we'd box up food and give it to OAPs at... retirement homes
[15:11]  * diddledan hums: cauliflower's fluffy, and cabbage is green
[15:11] <daftykins> are said homes not feeding them?
[15:11] <daftykins> it was very misleading
[15:12] <Azelphur> now the only question, should I buy one or two 5TB drives :P
[15:12] <diddledan> Azelphur, external?
[15:12] <Azelphur> external but I'm just gonna take them out of the box.
[15:12]  * bashrc wonders if there is a command line day
[15:12] <diddledan> lol
[15:12] <Azelphur> they are going in my micro server
[15:12] <awilkins> TWO
[15:12] <awilkins> Mirror array
[15:13] <bashrc> nice
[15:13] <awilkins> or : FIVE
[15:13] <Azelphur> I don't like mirror, I rsnapshot
[15:13] <Azelphur> haha
[15:13] <awilkins> Ok, maybe four
[15:13] <awilkins> RAID 5 array
[15:13] <awilkins> My old TV server has had 1TB in it as long as I can remember (as two disks
[15:14] <awilkins> I'm impressed by their longevity
[15:14] <foobarry> what does rsnapshot offer over standard rsync?
[15:14] <awilkins> Must have been spinning a substantial fraction of the last 10 years
[15:14] <zmoylan-pi> shhh, mentioning their existance is asking for a failure :-)
[15:15] <Azelphur> foobarry: automatic revisions and fancy mounting/linking and such shenanigans
[15:15] <Azelphur> it's better for incremental backups.
[15:15] <awilkins> Hah, new laptop has such a beefy battery it considers 70 minutes remaining runtime a red warning :-)
[15:15] <Azelphur> but, rsnapshot /is/ rsync (at least, it uses it)
[15:16] <daftykins> awilkins: heh what kind? what was the overall prediction at 100%?
[15:17] <awilkins> daftykins, It's a zBook 15
[15:17] <awilkins> 100% prediction still varies a lot
[15:17] <awilkins> The predicted runtime just went up 2 minutes
[15:17] <awilkins> It's usually around 4-5 hours
[15:18] <awilkins> Currently running 26% and runtime 72 minutes
[15:19] <awilkins> So should have a runtime of 276 minutes which is around 4:30
[15:20] <awilkins> This thing has more RAM and CPU grunt than my main desktop
[15:24] <foobarry> i thought chrome was supopsed to be special
[15:25] <foobarry> and not lockup the whole browser, and crash?
[15:27] <daftykins> heh
[15:27] <daftykins> pfft chrome is totally overrated
[15:27] <zmoylan-pi> all browsers take time at the top of the crashiest list.  except lynx :-)
[15:27] <popey> been running firefox for 3 weeks now
[15:28] <popey> with no flash and the cisco h264 code disabled
[15:28] <popey> not crashed once since doing that
[15:28] <foobarry> i think evernote killed my chrome
[15:28] <foobarry> task amanger said no tabs were using any cpu
[15:29] <foobarry> but that was just before if disppeared in a puff of smoke after 100% usage
[15:36] <Azelphur> diplo: ping, 3 minutes :)
[15:39] <diplo> ta, got it on screen still 20s
[15:39] <Azelphur> don't forget, add it to your basket straight away then think about it :)
[15:40] <diplo> £99
[15:40] <diddledan> £99
[15:40] <diplo> \o/
[15:40] <Azelphur> hehe
[15:40] <Azelphur> 85% claimed xD
[15:40] <Azelphur> annnd gone
[15:40] <Azelphur> diplo: whatcha reckon, gonna get it? :)
[15:41] <diplo> nah
[15:41] <Azelphur> hehe
[15:42] <diplo> Rather spend the  £50 extra and get the G2 I think, a lot more for the money
[15:42] <Resupine> hello
[15:42] <Azelphur> suppose so :)
[15:42] <diplo> Just making sure they have one in store ( waiting a call back ) and pop down tomorrow
[15:42] <Resupine> does anyone know how an easy way to copy desktop icons onto desktop pleazzz
[15:43] <Resupine> ubuntu 14.4
[15:44] <diddledan> >.<
[15:44] <Azelphur> Resupine: ...drag and drop?
[15:44] <diplo> Can't say I know how, can't remember the last time I launched anything from the desktop
[15:44] <diddledan> there's an extra digit missing, Resupine !
[15:44] <Resupine> oh sorry!
[15:44] <Azelphur> xD
[15:44] <diddledan> hint, 4 != 04
[15:44] <Resupine> oh i meant 14.04.
[15:44] <Azelphur> I got me a Logitech Z323 speaker system for £21
[15:44] <Azelphur> :D
[15:45] <diddledan> I get irked by that so often
[15:45] <Resupine> if i drag and drop wont i lose the icons on the desktop please correct me if i am wrong.
[15:45] <daftykins> diddledan: same
[15:45] <daftykins> diddledan: not sure what this ubunut i keep hearing about is, either
[15:46] <diddledan> daftykins, there's also the umbunto
[15:46] <daftykins> do they drink it in the jungle?
[15:46] <foobarry> the congo
[15:46] <davmor2> Resupine: Drag them to the desktop?
[15:47] <Resupine> i will try that thanks.
[15:47] <davmor2> daftykins: Ubuntu Do-nuts pretty obvious really :)
[15:47] <diddledan> .next
[15:47] <diddledan> !next
[15:48] <diddledan> bah
[15:48] <awilkins> Ubuntu should totally rip off the Um-bongo commercial
[15:48] <diddledan> that works in #wordpress
[15:48] <daftykins> =]
[15:48] <foobarry> its a bit racist
[15:48] <daftykins> awilkins: :D yesh
[15:48] <awilkins> "Ubuntu, Ubuntu, they use it in the ... datacentre..."
[15:48] <Azelphur> I keep getting screwed over on sound systems for my TV :(
[15:48] <Azelphur> I've missed 2 sound bars and a 5.1 cinema system.
[15:49] <Azelphur> tried to buy each one and got beat lol
[15:49] <davmor2> awilkins: Adam Sweet did that and his website was investigated by the Company behind it
[15:49] <foobarry> they use it in the cloud yo
[15:49] <daftykins> Azelphur: doh!
[15:49] <daftykins> a friend email'd me about the 1TB Samsung SSD today
[15:49] <Azelphur> yea, grumble grumble :P
[15:49] <Azelphur> daftykins: yea, I was tempted but opted not to get it.
[15:49] <diddledan> ops
[15:49] <diddledan> oops*
[15:49] <davmor2> awilkins: Way down deep in the middle of the Jungle they make a distro and they call it Ubuntu
[15:50] <awilkins> Wonder if there are figures on the lost productivity due to Black Friday shopping
[15:50] <awilkins> "The London Urban Jungle" (Canonical HQ being Canary Wharf. no?)
[15:50] <davmor2> awilkins: there is productivity on black friday?
[15:52] <zmoylan-pi> for security money transfer companies
[15:56] <diplo> Well my town centre was rammed today, so either lots of people taking day off as holiday or a lot of people off on sickies :)
[16:00] <zmoylan-pi> the alternative is to try and go shopping on the weekend a few weeks before crimbo? :-)
[16:01] <popey> meh
[16:01] <popey> i shop on xmas eve
[16:01] <popey> I do every year, in London. It's all fine.
[16:01] <foobarry> why would you?
[16:01] <zmoylan-pi> masochism?
[16:01] <foobarry> surely shop one month earlier and get stuff delivered
[16:07] <popey> because i like the christmas lights
[16:07] <popey> and wandering around shops when it's quiet
[16:07] <popey> there is literally _nobody_ around
[16:07] <popey> I have never queued at the counter on xmas eve
[16:08] <popey> I also take the kids with me as a little treat, they love it.
[16:08] <daftykins> :)
[16:08] <daftykins> i think the local town lights get switched on tomorrow
[16:08] <davmor2> popey: wow London is different to Wolverhampton,  you can't get in a shop on christmas eve here
[16:08] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/jd15dxamvgrwl9o/IMG_20141125_212107.jpg?dl=0
[16:08] <foobarry> i used to go up oxford street on 23rd december, it was usually quite mental
[16:08] <daftykins> you can see the unlit frames up
[16:09] <popey> davmor2: at 8am?
[16:09] <popey> I usually leave home around 6:30-7am, and have breakfast then wander round the empty shops just as they open
[16:09] <davmor2> popey: starting at midnight right the way through till the shops shut
[16:10] <popey> nah, oxford street the shops aren't open at midnight on xmas eve/day
[16:10] <davmor2> popey: we went to Adsa for the CHristmas Veg the one year at 4a.m the place was heaving
[16:11] <popey> 4am on xmas morning!?
[16:11] <popey> you northerners are proper mental
[16:11] <davmor2> popey: no xmas eve
[16:11] <popey> 4am is bed time
[16:11] <popey> ahhh
[16:11] <popey> still mad ☻
[16:11] <davmor2> indeed but we thought it would be quiet
[16:11] <davmor2> no such luck
[16:14] <popey> hehe
[16:24] <popey> https://store.cardsagainsthumanity.com/
[16:24] <popey> "0% of proceeds will go to Children in Need."
[16:24] <popey> made me chuckle
[16:26] <davmor2> popey:  nice :)
[16:26] <davmor2> I like the outmoded line too
[16:42] <ujjain> http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/lg-g-pad-8-0-tablet-qualcomm-snapdragon-android-8-0-wi-fi-16gb-black-99-95-john-2064603 < this seems a good deal
[16:42] <ujjain> but then again, the hudl2 seems better
[16:42] <ujjain> I would like to get a nice tablet. I just missed out on the Vodafone LG G2, because of payment issues
[16:49] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOVFvcNfvE
[16:53] <diplo> ujjain, says the deal is on till Dec 1st
[16:53] <diplo> In store as well
[17:14] <popey> ujjain: 1280x800 vs hudl2 1920x1200
[17:16] <zmoylan-pi> and your eyesight it 20/20 or better :-)
[18:32] <Azelphur> woot, got the sound bar I wanted
[18:32] <Azelphur> managed to find an alternate store with it still in stock at the discounted price :)
[20:07] <foobarry> i just watched the phantom menace teaser trailer to compare the new trailer
[20:12] <ali1234> and what was the result?
[20:13] <daftykins> that foobarry always leaving us in suspense!
[20:14] <diddledan> there's nothing wrong with being in suspenders
[20:14] <daftykins> diddledan: as it's the weekend, you're right
[20:15] <zmoylan-pi> let's do the timewarp again! \o/
[20:22] <zmoylan-pi> i love twitter. 'probably not a good sign that the final hobbit trailer runs for 1.5 hours' :-)
[20:35] <foobarry> i remembered that the ep1 trailer was awesome
[20:35] <foobarry> but mainly because nobody had broadband in 1998 and i downloaded the video onto a cd at work and people came round my house to see it
[20:36] <popey> hah
[20:37] <popey> I remember going round someone's house to watch the Thriller video on Channel 4 when it first aired
[20:37] <foobarry> first song i ever heard on a sony walkman was thriller
[20:38] <foobarry> well it was the intro
[20:38] <popey> Mine was Our House by Madness
[20:38] <foobarry> good song
[20:38] <popey> on a compilation tape
[20:38] <popey> me and my brother got walkmans (not sony ones) for xmas
[20:38] <foobarry> yeah i got a walkman and now5
[20:38] <zmoylan-pi> i think i still have the batman fan flic teaser that we downloaded as we had one of the first adsl in ireland at work and giving out copies at gaming meetup in city centre as well as playing on laptop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOB13T6Zmh8
[20:39] <foobarry> my sister just put a video of krazy kong grandstand game and watch game on facebook
[20:39] <popey> was odd, my walkman had a "talk" button with a microphone in the player, so in theory if you're engrossed in music someone could press that to talk to you rather than stop the music
[20:39] <foobarry> i got a white walkman and it had a problem
[20:39] <popey> when i reality it was just a way to annoy me by pressing the button and shouting, it would get amplified into my ears
[20:39] <zmoylan-pi> so a renamed pause button?
[20:39] <foobarry> got returned and a red one came back
[20:39] <popey> no
[20:39] <popey> it didnt pause
[20:40] <foobarry> the alan sugar era of crap electronics
[20:40] <popey> it semi-muted the audio from the tape and engaged the microphone
[20:40] <popey> yeah
[20:40] <foobarry> sugar is a numpty
[20:40] <foobarry> a rude one
[20:40] <foobarry> turns out i am also a numpty when it comes to buying wooden flooring
[20:42] <popey> !
[20:45] <foobarry> which is what i am trying to do no
[20:45] <foobarry> w
[20:45] <foobarry> but i got distracted by star wars
[20:45] <foobarry> the first film i saw at the cinema was epv5, empire s. back. in 1980. i was 5
[20:45] <foobarry> next year ep7 is released. my son will be 5
[20:46] <foobarry> if he wants to go i will take him
[20:46] <foobarry> he alreayd loves star wars but doesn't really know what it is
[20:46] <zmoylan-pi> translation: you're bringing him as 'he' wants to go? :-)
[20:52] <foobarry> we'll see
[20:52] <foobarry> its a yaer away
[20:53] <foobarry> i'm hoping shaun the sheep film doesn't disappoint either, but we might just get the dvd
[20:53] <zmoylan-pi> a few weekend star wars marathons, a few lego star wars lego sets... :-D
[20:53] <foobarry> he would be sad if he grew up and found out he could have gone to star wars but didnt go
[20:53] <foobarry> he would say, dad why didn't you make me?
[20:55] <zmoylan-pi> i don't really enjoy the cinema, though if the rumour that they're bringing 2001 back to the big screen i'll go and see that.
[20:56] <foobarry> http://vimeo.com/112681885#at=70
[20:56] <foobarry> seen the chernobyl vid?
[20:56] <zmoylan-pi> for sale:1 drone, slightly radioactive
[20:56] <popey> nice
[20:57] <popey> amazon how the nature reclaims
[20:57] <foobarry> used to drive past an abandoned hackney school on the train over 10yrs
[20:57] <foobarry> the trees grew through the playground
[20:58] <popey> the thing at 2 mins 29 ish
[20:58] <popey> amazing that still has colour on it
[21:00] <diddledan> that's really atmosp[heric
[21:00] <diddledan> in a post-apocalytic way
[21:01] <rtyuio> hello there ?
[21:01] <rtyuio> anyone tried nomachine
[21:01] <rtyuio> 4 on windows and ubuntu as guest ?
[21:02] <popey> Hello rtyuio
[21:02] <popey> I haven't
[21:02] <foobarry> even more amazing how egypts treasures are presevered
[21:02] <ali1234> popey: the city was built for the nuclear plant so nothing there is over 50 years old
[21:03] <ali1234> that's why the mural has not faded yet
[21:03] <foobarry> the top gear episode was good too
[21:05] <popey> I realise I may be in the minority, but I really like Citizen Khan on BBC1
[21:05] <foobarry> i just looked at the dailymail sidebar of shame
[21:06] <foobarry> i didn't click on anything but still feel dirty
[21:07] <zmoylan-pi> everyone has a tv show or movie they like that most others think is terrible
[21:08] <foobarry> i wonder what cheesy film i like
[21:08] <rtyuio> i mean what package need to install on the guest machine to communicate with nomachine client ?
[21:08] <zmoylan-pi> i like hackers, payback
[21:08] <foobarry> rtyuio: can you explain what OS is on the server, and what OS is the client
[21:09] <foobarry> i use x2go and freenx
[21:09] <foobarry> nomachine went a bit non-free and £
[21:09] <rtyuio> nomachine client installed on windows 7
[21:09] <rtyuio> the remote server i would like to connect with nomachine is : ubuntu 14.4
[21:10] <foobarry> ok
[21:10] <foobarry> have you installed the nomachine server app on the ubuntu server?
[21:11] <rtyuio> i installed the package
[21:11] <rtyuio> i got this error : http://paste.ubuntu.com/9288488/
[21:12] <foobarry> are the spaces just the copy paste fail, or the spaces in the error too?
[21:12] <foobarry> between trusty and main
[21:13] <rtyuio> i don't get ?
[21:13] <foobarry> ok, 12.04 is the last distro in that ppa
[21:13] <foobarry> http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu/dists/
[21:13] <foobarry> see there. no trusty release for freenx in that repo
[21:14] <rtyuio> wait
[21:14] <foobarry> also, you are doing freenx or nomachine?
[21:14] <rtyuio> Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS \n \l
[21:14] <rtyuio> this is my remote server
[21:15] <rtyuio> nomachine on windows 7
[21:15] <rtyuio> as client
[21:16] <rtyuio> i would like to connect my ubuntu remote server
[21:16] <foobarry> nomachine client connecting to freenx server?
[21:16] <rtyuio> i tried with  ssh acccess on nomachine 4
[21:16] <rtyuio> not working
[21:17] <rtyuio> so after googling i installed freenx
[21:17] <rtyuio> and seems the package not properly installed
[21:17] <foobarry> correct, freenx got discontinued
[21:17] <rtyuio> i got that error when i apt§get update
[21:17] <foobarry> so you won't find it in the repo for your version of ubuntu
[21:17] <foobarry> however...
[21:17] <foobarry> http://askubuntu.com/questions/466309/freenx-server-installation-on-ubuntu-14-04-trusty
[21:17] <rtyuio> so tell me what i have to do ?
[21:17] <foobarry> suggests x2go
[21:18] <foobarry> and i also use x2go
[21:18] <foobarry> and find it good, except the client is not as good
[21:18] <foobarry> you might be able to find a freenx build for trusty
[21:18] <rtyuio> i also tried x2go
[21:18] <foobarry> or try the proper nomachine app
[21:19] <rtyuio> how the package called ?
[21:19] <foobarry> https://www.nomachine.com/getting-started-with-nomachine
[21:20] <foobarry> use nomachine client with nomachine
[21:21] <foobarry> x2go won't work with nomachine client
[21:22] <rtyuio> ok let me check if it works
[22:09] <ali1234> belkin wemo is on an amazon deal tomorrow
[22:09] <ali1234> it's a wifi controlled mains socket
[22:11] <shauno> that's what I've got on my espresso machine.  nowt really wrong with it, but the api is a steaming pile of
[22:12] <Nathan__> what does cd .. mean
[22:12] <zmoylan-pi> the espresso isn't a steaming... :-)
[22:13] <shauno> Nathan__: ".." is the directory below the current one.  so it's like 'go back'
[22:13] <ali1234> above!
[22:13] <Nathan__> what does cd /ect do
[22:13] <zmoylan-pi> Change Directory to directort above current one
[22:13] <shauno> above?
[22:13] <diddledan> root is the top, you descend the tree
[22:13] <ali1234> yes
[22:13] <shauno> I dunno what trees look like there, but the roots are at the bottom here ;)
[22:13] <ali1234> i know trees have the root at the bottom
[22:14] <ali1234> but file systems don't
[22:14] <zmoylan-pi> if you are in /media/usbdrive and type cd .. it will go to /media
[22:15] <ali1234> current directory is more like a stack than a tree, and the last item is on the top of the stack
[22:15] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[22:15] <ali1234> cd .. pops it...
[22:16] <ali1234> besides real trees branch out in both directions
[22:23] <ali1234> the more i think about it the more weird it seems that subdirectories are "below" the parent
[22:24] <diddledan> the hint is in the prefix: sub-directory
[22:24] <diddledan> sub = below
[22:25] <ali1234> ah good point
[22:25] <ali1234> i wonder if it is different in other cultures?
[22:25] <diddledan> otherwise it would be super-directory, which would mean the child contains the root!?!
[22:26] <ali1234> yeah, sub can also mean "part of"
[22:28] <ali1234> but, when you file something, you file it "under" the category
[22:34] <diddledan> that's not a "but" - it's an "that explains"
[22:34] <ali1234> it doesn't explain it
[22:34] <ali1234> it's just an arbitrary language thing
[22:34] <diddledan> if sub is sub then obviously you file something "under"
[22:35] <diddledan> whenever something is conceptually inside another then it is a sub
[22:36] <diddledan> that's how English/Latin/Greek works
[22:36] <ali1234> yes, but whyyyyyyy?
[22:36] <ali1234> you also have "under a roof" which basically means "inside a building"
[22:37] <diddledan> which is sub
[22:41] <ali1234> so my question still remains: in other cultures, are subdirectories above the root?
[22:44] <intrbiz> but, given the context, isn't root used more along the lines of: source, or origin
[22:44] <ali1234> yes
[22:44] <intrbiz> so applying a physical direction is somewhat or a misnomer
[22:45] <ali1234> yes but people think spacially
[22:45] <diddledan> it's more like a river than a tree
[22:45] <diddledan> source - delta - estuary
[22:45] <ali1234> maybe there's a culture where the directory tree isn't considered spacial at all
[22:46] <intrbiz> well, a tree actually branches out above and below the trunk
[22:46] <ali1234> ys, i already pointed that out :)
[22:46] <intrbiz> :)
[22:46] <intrbiz> often you find tree diagrams drawn left to right too
[22:47] <ali1234> i've never seen one drawn with the root at the bottom
[22:47] <intrbiz> nor me to be fair
[22:48] <ali1234> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=parent+directory+icon&safe=off&client=ubuntu&hs=Csq&channel=fs&gl=uk&biw=1920&bih=996&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=r_t4VIivItXsaImEgtgP&ved=0CCAQsAQ
[22:49] <ali1234> lots of up arrows there
[22:49] <ali1234> so, is that universal? or are people from non-latin cultures going to have trouble understanding it?
[22:49] <intrbiz> yeh, I'd tend to think of ascending into the parent directory and descending into a child directory
[22:51] <ali1234> some of those icons, the arrow goes right to left for a bit, then up
[22:51] <ali1234> but then there's one where it goes left to right, then up
[22:52] <intrbiz> a similar question could be, do RTL languages have a tree draw right to left?
[22:56] <diddledan> this is the stuff of voodoo and witchcraft: http://gridstylesheets.org/
[22:57] <ali1234> "Why is the trivial task of centering an element with CSS so obtusely complex?" <- i wish i knew
[23:37] <diddledan> ooh, just got some action on the update manager bug we mentioned earlier (first thing this morning): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/993837
[23:37] <diddledan> it is now "high" importance
[23:38] <popey> Alberto is on the bug team
[23:38] <daftykins> that's a bit of a simple one
[23:38] <popey> not sure who looks after update manager
[23:39] <popey> daftykins: next time it happens can you ping me when it's in that state?
[23:40] <daftykins> err what are we referring to?
[23:41] <popey> the bug above
[23:42] <daftykins> i don't even use ubuntu desktop, sir
[23:42] <diddledan> just checked my other system. it's popped-up but is accessible - I hit remind me later to hopefully get it to trigger the bug some time later
[23:45] <popey> sorry, mistab
[23:45] <popey> meant diddledan