[02:12] <bluesabre> dkessel: the renamed widgets have been committed, planning for a new release this weekend... https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~catfish-search/catfish-search/trunk/revision/338
[03:25] <bluesabre> ochosi: your mockup lacks the ability to import, export, and delete
[03:25] <bluesabre> maybe something in this direction? https://imgur.com/rbhM9nr
[03:26] <bluesabre> the first two would be distributor provided (/usr) and thus have the delete option missing
[08:34] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, i wanted to keep that part as simple as possible for starters. if you want to add a layout, copy it to the folder, if you wanna remove one, delete it from the folder
[08:35] <ochosi> not sure whether exporting is really needed, i mean people can always navigate to the folder and then send/share it from there
[08:35] <ochosi> (at least in the first step)
[10:12] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/xfce/+packages?field.name_filter=xfdash For whoever wants to copy to -extras.
[10:15] <ochosi> bluesabre: i wonder what we'll do about xfce4.12 if it gets released for 15.04 for our LTS. wonder whether we can backport most of that since we have 4.11 components there and it should be all compatible
[10:16] <ochosi> Unit193: xfdash copied, thanks!
[10:16] <Unit193> Sure, and thanks.
[10:22] <Unit193> ochosi: While I have you, backport from vivid: https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/xfce/+packages?field.name_filter=thunar ?
[10:29] <ochosi> ok, copying
[10:31] <Unit193> (That's more for smooth transitioning from the version currently there, to vivid.  Utopic has an "older" version.)  BTW, anymore packages I should be tracking for you?
[10:33] <ochosi> hm, there is a new xfce panel plugin coming up
[10:33] <ochosi> http://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-hardware-monitor-plugin/
[10:34] <ochosi> debian might also be interested in that ^
[10:34] <ochosi> and we might want it too
[10:42] <Unit193> Can't say about Debian, but since it is Freeze time, not right now.  Well, if it's interesting to "us", sure I can take a look (unless someone else beats me to it.)
[10:44] <ochosi> yeah, i think it'd be nice to throw it in extras for us to check out and then try to get it into xubuntu if we like it
[11:43] <bluesabre> ochosi: well, we can probably convince the SRU folks that it would be handy... but we'll see if we actually get that far before April :D
[11:43] <bluesabre> heading out now, bbl
[12:00] <ochosi> bluesabre: wowza, andrew has lotsa branches pending... unfortunately in the next 7 days i won't really have time, but then (the latest) we should do a big review
[16:34] <skellat> ochosi, slickymasterWork: Where should we direct LP Bug 1397353 for further disposition?
[16:34] <slickymasterWork> skellat, I'm already on it
[16:34] <skellat> slickymasterWork: ack
[16:35] <slickymasterWork> skellat, it's strange though. Just installed the French language pack and the translation for 'Suspend' is correct
[16:37] <skellat> slickymasterWork: I think most of what caused that originated in #ubuntu-locoteams earlier today oddly enough -- http://paste.ubuntu.com/9285084/
[16:38] <slickymasterWork> thanks for that skellat 
[17:28] <brainwash> bluesabre: didn't you check the code of the release upgrader which explains the reason behind bug 1314153 ?
[17:29] <brainwash> your last comment does not reflect this, but I'm pretty sure that you did some investigation
[17:32] <elfy> brainwash: I have memories of that discusssion in here 
[17:34] <brainwash> the conclusion was that reinstalling the packages is the intended behavior (according to source code)
[17:35] <elfy> iirc - but I didn't take a whole lot of notice tbh
[17:35] <brainwash> and all ubuntu spins behave the same way
[17:35] <elfy> I'd have even less idea what anyone else does :)
[17:36] <elfy> I'm never really in a position to upgrade anything that's been used and abused ;)
[17:36] <brainwash> heh, just want to close yet another report, or at least remove our package from the affects list
[17:37] <elfy> oh
[17:37] <elfy> that IS the bug I remember the discussion in 
[17:54] <slickymasterWork> skellat: re: bug 1397353 I reported also upstream (https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11338)
[17:58] <slickymasterWork> but since xfce packages translations are maintained in https://www.transifex.com/, there's not much the team can do, unless there's a skillful french speaker among our ranks -> ochosi do comes to mind 
[18:21] <slickymasterWork> knome, regarding the alternate format destination for the -docs, take a look at this -> http://daps.sourceforge.net/
[18:23] <slickymasterWork> it's 100% open source and they claim they provide a tool set for easy creation and publication of DocBook sources in PDF, EPUB, man pages, and other formats with a single command
[18:23] <knome> sounds like overhead
[18:23] <knome> i'm pretty sure there are faster ways to do that
[18:23] <slickymasterWork> there you are
[18:24] <knome> !info dbtoepub
[18:25] <slickymasterWork> but that just provide the DocBook XML to .epub conversion, right? 
[18:26] <knome> yep
[18:26] <knome> i don't know anything about that software
[18:26] <knome> just found it :P
[18:27] <slickymasterWork> I'll take a look at it also
[18:28] <slickymasterWork> btw knome, how's your french skills?
[18:29] <knome> none
[18:29] <slickymasterWork> lol, join the club
[18:30] <knome> ask sidi-alcaniz 
[18:31] <slickymasterWork> ?! is he the valencia one?
[18:32] <knome> yes
[18:32] <knome> :P
[18:32] <knome> all sidi are the same
[18:33] <slickymasterWork> sidi-alcaniz, do you think you can manage to find the time to take a look at bug 1397353
[18:33] <slickymasterWork> pretty please
[18:33] <knome> slickymasterWork, i guess just the translation part?
[18:33] <slickymasterWork> that's what I'm speaking of knome 
[21:00] <pleia2> order with unixstickers has been placed :)
[21:01] <pleia2> they gave us a $380 voucher to cover stickers, t-shirt and tracked shipping
[21:01] <pleia2> plus the voucher allowed me to toss some of my own (I paid for) goodies in too
[21:02] <dkessel> nice
[21:02] <knome> pleia2, WOOT!
[21:03] <knome> that's a lot of money
[21:03] <pleia2> yes, they've been quite generous
[21:04] <knome> also, see my further comments on the pad
[21:06] <pleia2> replied
[21:08] <knome> right,
[21:08] <knome> so why ask that if it's not meaningful?
[21:08] <pleia2> it is still meaningful
[21:09]  * knome shrugs
[21:09] <knome> more meaningful would be "how long have you been using xubuntu" 
[21:09] <pleia2> at least is is to me, as someone who wants to build marketing materials to our userbase, and has no idea if most of them work in schools or offices or jungles
[21:10] <pleia2> I really want this one to be simple :)
[21:10] <knome> many people work at offices, if that's what we want to know, maybe we should forget the professions and ask what they do for living/
[21:11] <knome> study, work in office, work outside office, unemployed
[21:11] <knome> in my opinion, it isnt' "simple" if we ask people if they are a videographer or accountant ;)
[21:11] <knome> i can see the point, just not too much use for the information
[21:12] <pleia2> I guess we disagree
[21:12] <knome> i mean i don't have a hard time asking that...
[21:12] <knome> it's fine by me, i'm just wondering if there is a better question to ask
[21:14] <pleia2> it's not all about applications, it's about people too, marketing is a bit touchy feely too
[21:14] <ali1234> how do you use ubuntu? office, entertainment, creative, development, sys admin
[21:14] <pleia2> ah, entertainment is a good one (Mythbuntu comes to mind)
[21:14]  * pleia2 adds
[21:14] <ali1234> if they tick sys admin, also ask how many machines they admin and whether those machines run xfce
[21:14] <knome> education!
[21:15] <ali1234> entertainment means watching videos, listening to music, web browsing, gaming
[21:15] <pleia2> ali1234: asking how many gets too complicated, we want 1-2 question, max
[21:15] <pleia2> a survey later in the cycle will ask more
[21:15] <ali1234> education would fall under office if using it for school admin, or sys admin if you run a network for the kids to use
[21:16] <pleia2> they can select multiple checkboxes :)
[21:16] <ali1234> yes
[21:16] <pleia2> ali1234: the etherpad is here if you want to follow along: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-user-identifies-as
[21:16] <knome> ali1234, i was talking about a different question before, pleia2 added this to the other
[21:17] <ali1234> first question: ugh
[21:17] <ali1234> skill level and use are two different things
[21:18] <pleia2> ali1234: again, they can select multiple
[21:18] <Unit193> Mythbuntu uses parts of Xfce for that matter.
[21:18] <pleia2> Unit193: hence the comment :)
[21:19] <pleia2> knome: I'm at my desk with a printer, have printing experiments for me?
[21:19] <pleia2> (also, day off, and the husband can't be bothered to help me with house things yet)
[21:20] <knome> pleia2, i guess at this point just pastebin your 'lpoptions -l'
[21:21] <ali1234> i think the survey should be task-centric
[21:21] <pleia2> knome: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9288581/
[21:21] <knome> ouch.
[21:22] <knome> ok, i'll be back with you, you have one of those seemingly crappier printers
[21:22] <knome> sorry :(
[21:22] <pleia2> it's an old Brother one routed through network printing
[21:22] <knome> printers with .FB modes can print stuff correctly... without those, they need special files
[21:22] <knome> well at least if you want to print near the edge
[21:22] <pleia2> I don't think I'll actually be printing much myself, what I want is for it to print ok with vistaprint or whatever
[21:22] <knome> heh, yeah
[21:31] <ochosi> slickymaster: while i've learned and used french, i'm not sure i'd wanna do translations to french. i've done it once or twice but didn
[21:31] <ochosi> slickymaster: 't feel too confident about it
[21:34] <ali1234> i don't like this: "Power user; I customize the environment and use the command line repeatedly"
[21:35] <ali1234> i don't think customizing things is a sign of power user
[21:35] <ali1234> i don't like to customize things at all
[21:36] <Unit193> I generally only do when I'm not supposed to.
[21:37] <pleia2> we'll leave a comment section at the bottom if people wish to clarify, and there's an Other box for each question if something doesn't fit quite right
[21:38] <pleia2> but generally power users do customize things
[21:38] <knome> ali1234, is there anything positive you find in the survey, or are we simply sucking at creating surveys?
[21:40] <ali1234> i like the idea of it, i just think those should be two options
[21:41] <ali1234> maybe strongly disagree ... strongly agree?
[21:41] <knome> we are trying to limit the options, if we give 200 different options, we're not going to learn much of our userbase
[21:42] <knome> if we have 5-10 options, the results tell a lot more about our userbase
[21:42] <ali1234> the answers are good, i think the questions suck though :)
[21:42] <knome> disagree/agree -questions tend to go to either extremes or the middle, depending on the question
[21:42] <ali1234> yes, but it cuts down on the number of options you need
[21:42] <knome> so it's as useful to ask yes/no, and that's easier to examine
[21:43] <ali1234> like you can replace "i am a power user" <tick> and "i am a casual user" <tick" this just "i am a power user" <agree/disagree> 
[21:43] <knome> i don't think there are many overlapping options really.
[21:44] <knome> ali1234, i think that'd skew the results.
[21:44] <ali1234> the results will always be skewed
[21:44] <knome> well, whatever.
[21:45] <knome> if you want to help imrpoving the survey, you can add your own proposal for a question in the pad
[21:47] <ali1234> done :)
[21:47] <knome> thanks