[00:39] <Joe_knock> Maaz coffee
[00:39] <Maaz> Joe_knock: coffee is liquid code
[00:39] <Joe_knock> Maaz make coffee
[00:39] <Maaz> Joe_knock: *blink*
[05:46] <Kilos> morning all
[07:55] <Kilos> morning gremble 
[07:56] <Kilos> only us here
[08:32] <gremble> Oh good morning Kilos 
[08:32] <Kilos> study lad
[08:32] <Kilos> make more fancy machines
[10:32] <Squirm> hiya
[10:46] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[11:54] <Kilos> wbb
[11:59] <somaunn> Hi guys
[14:07] <charl> good afternoon
[14:07] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[14:07]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[14:11] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[14:29] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[14:29] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[15:00] <inetpro> good afternoon
[15:20] <charl> hi inetpro 
[15:30] <inetpro> hi charl
[15:37] <Kilos> hi charl inetpro 
[15:37]  * Kilos watches us/wales
[15:37] <charl> hi Kilos 
[15:37] <charl> how are you doing this fine afternoon
[15:43]  * inetpro trying to survive with just 20MB of data until the end of the month
[15:44] <gremble> I don't know if that is going to happen ;P
[15:44] <inetpro> amazing how data just keeps running away in the background these days
[15:44] <gremble> Unless your data gets renewed at midnight
[15:45] <gremble> Shocking how expensive data has to be
[15:46] <inetpro> started by blocking all mobile devices on the wifi network but even that is not enough
[15:49] <inetpro> probably won't make it until tomorrow but worth looking again and turning the leaking taps off for a change
[15:58] <inetpro> just wish there was a quicker way to check how much data is left on the Telkom mobile network without loosing more data
[15:59] <gremble> Can't you use the USSD codes?
[15:59] <gremble> they don't require data
[16:00] <gremble> *100# or *111#
[16:00] <inetpro> uh... while the sim is in the router?
[16:00] <gremble> Depends on your router
[16:01] <inetpro> now there's a challenge, how would I do that on the router?
[16:02] <gremble> Using windows, the router we had allowed us to send those codes, but it was also a telephone
[16:02] <inetpro> ah
[16:03] <inetpro> won't work with the B960 then
[16:03] <gremble> I still have to figure out how to get the hauwai modem to play along
[16:03] <inetpro> yep this one also a huawei
[16:04] <gremble> My cat wont let me type. He keeps trying to eat  my fingers
[16:04] <gremble> when I do
[16:04] <gremble> >.>
[16:05] <inetpro> if you have a USB modem you should be able to do it
[16:05] <inetpro> using gsm-ussd
[16:30] <inetpro> wish firefox could show me data utilisation details
[16:32] <charl> do any of you people have experience with docker ? i'm looking to use it now at work
[16:32] <charl> very cool
[16:32] <inetpro> charl: I still need to play with it as well
[16:33] <charl> i have been putting it off because i didn't have immediate need for it
[16:33] <charl> but i want to separate some applications from each other so that if one gets exploited then the others are safe
[16:33] <charl> without needing to create a million different virtual machines for everything
[16:35] <inetpro> good idea
[16:36] <Kilos> eish inetpro maak reg man
[16:36] <Kilos> i think they have a topup for R30
[16:36] <Kilos> 250m
[16:40] <inetpro> Kilos: uh?
[16:40] <Kilos> inetpro: pm
[16:41] <inetpro> pm?
[16:42] <Kilos> private
[16:42] <Kilos> ai!
[16:55] <charl> this is good, vmware is now partering with docker
[16:55] <charl> docker seems to have great traction right now
[16:58] <gremble> Isn't docker similar to BSD-like jails?
[16:59] <inetpro> gremble: very similar but they made it super easy to use
[17:01] <inetpro> but it's actually quite different as well
[17:01] <gremble> Hoping to get a new laptop next year. At the moment I am considering running one of the *BSD's
[17:02] <gremble> inetpro: I haven't looked at it much and at the SFD's I've been so far, most of the talks assumed we already knew what the technologies were so the short 5min talks did not mean much
[17:04] <Kilos> charl: explain what it does for me please
[17:04] <Kilos> will it run say konversation in one dock and pidgin in another?
[17:05] <gremble> Kilos: Have you seen those baby plates with the little holes in it for the food so that they don't touch?
[17:06] <gremble> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/10934701/Stainless_Steel_Six_Part_Compartment_Food_Tray.jpg Like that
[17:06] <gremble> If I were to explain what docker is, it is just that. Inside each of those compartments you can run programs. Nothing can touch them and they can't touch anything else
[17:07] <Kilos> lemme see. im not sure what baby plates are
[17:07] <gremble> It is like having many little computers inside your computer
[17:07] <Kilos> oh you mean a varkpan
[17:08] <Kilos> i gotta go eat
[17:08] <Kilos> wbb
[17:08] <Kilos> but my apps dont interfere with each other i use kubuntu
[17:08] <Kilos> hehe
[17:08] <Kilos> been wanting to say that for years
[17:09] <gremble> Haha
[17:09] <gremble> It is a lot more complicated than that
[17:13] <inetpro> Linux LXC vs FreeBSD jail http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/127001/linux-lxc-vs-freebsd-jail
[17:19] <gremble> Very much the same it seems then
[17:19] <gremble> I think the technical differences are above my level of computer experise
[17:25] <Kilos> i dunno if i need something like that
[17:25] <Kilos> just more to remember
[17:25] <Kilos> would be good for windows users though
[17:27] <Kilos> what we should do is fix our wiki page so its faster before the re-evaluation
[17:27] <gremble> We can't make the page faster
[17:27] <Kilos> the wiki thing
[17:28] <gremble> The person hosting it is the one that can make it faster. Not the people that edit it
[17:29] <Kilos> i wonder who that is
[17:29] <gremble> what is the address to the wiki?
[17:30] <Kilos> i dont know, i thought i gave it to maaz to remember but forgot what to ask the bot
[17:30] <Kilos> was reapp or spmething
[17:30] <gremble> wiki.ubuntu.com?
[17:30] <Kilos> inetpro: said that was a stupid command
[17:30] <gremble> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/
[17:30] <gremble> ?
[17:31] <Kilos> maybe that
[17:32] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication?action=show&redirect=ZATeam%2FApprovalApplication
[17:32] <Kilos> its not so slow
[17:32] <Kilos> works fine here
[17:33] <Kilos> but thats wrong, maia been contact person for years
[17:34] <Kilos> oh well
[17:35] <gremble> That is a very old page
[17:35] <gremble> it is dated 2010
[17:36] <Kilos> ya i think so, i wonder where the new one is
[17:36] <Kilos> and why leave the old one there
[17:36] <Kilos> ill catch neelsie when he has a day off
[17:44] <Kilos> gremble: you shouild put a testimonial there saying how happy you are to have found our community so peeps can use your brains
[17:44] <Kilos> hehe
[17:45] <Kilos> how did you find us btw
[17:45] <gremble> But I don't even like ubuntu :x
[17:45] <gremble> kbmonkey told me to come here because I am South African
[17:45] <gremble> So I am here
[17:45] <gremble> :P
[17:45] <Kilos> lol
[17:46] <Kilos> kubuntu is lekker man
[17:46] <Kilos> we cater here for many distros and flavours
[17:57] <Kilos> we actually help all linux users only i had to do tinycorelinux on my own
[17:57] <Kilos> sigh
[18:03] <inetpro> Kilos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReVerificationApplication2014
[18:03] <Kilos> ty inet
[18:04] <Kilos> it opens fast
[18:04] <inetpro> and it is re-reverification not re-approval 
[18:05] <inetpro> oops.. 
[18:05] <inetpro> re-verification 
[18:05] <Kilos> Maaz: re-verification is <reply>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReVerificationApplication2014
[18:05] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it
[18:06] <Kilos> now i have to remember that word too
[18:06] <Kilos> sigh
[18:07] <inetpro> Maaz: define verification
[18:07] <Maaz> inetpro: Verification \Ver`i*fi*ca"tion\, n. [Cf. F. v['e]rification.] 1. The act of verifying, or the state of being verified; confirmation; authentication. [1913 Webster]  2. (Law) (a) Confirmation by evidence. (b) A formal phrase used in concluding a plea. [1913 Webster]  {Verification of an equation} (Math.), the operation of testing the equation of a problem,
[18:07] <Maaz> to see whether it expresses truly the conditions of the problem. --Davies & Peck. (Math. …
[18:10] <charl> Kilos: it's for servers and is quite technical to explain
[18:10] <Kilos> yay ty
[18:10] <charl> it's virtual containers, a type of virtualisation that does not involve a hypervisor
[18:10] <charl> but unless you want to do industrial-scale hosting it's probably not of much concern
[18:11] <Kilos> i think we must ask them verification peeps to accept us now as lifelong members
[18:11] <Kilos> this verification will take us past 10 years
[18:12] <charl> 10 years ago was when i tried the first version of ubuntu (warty i think)
[18:12] <gremble> Haha http://www.linux.org.za/ that is a really uninformative website
[18:12] <gremble> xD
[18:12] <charl> linux.org.za only hosts the glug mailing list afaik
[18:13] <charl> there's also http://www.jozilug.co.za/
[18:13] <charl> glug is an old and legendary thing, i don't even know if they still do meetings
[18:14] <charl> i used to be on one of their mailing lists but it was almost dead
[18:14] <charl> those were some of the earliest gnu/linux users in south africa i believe
[18:14] <Kilos> they have a channel too
[18:14] <Kilos> #glug.za
[18:14] <charl> they are the bbs type
[18:15] <charl> probably old gray neckbeards
[18:15] <Kilos> oh my they nearly dead
[18:15] <gremble> bbs?
[18:15] <charl> you don't know bbs ?!
[18:15] <Kilos> only frostbyte left there
[18:15] <gremble> Consider me one of today's lucky 10000
[18:15] <Kilos> lol
[18:16] <charl> nono you don't know bbs you don't know where we come from
[18:16] <charl> know the history
[18:16] <charl> there is a documentary about bbs systems i watched not too long ago
[18:16] <charl> and the start of defcon
[18:16] <gremble> https://xkcd.com/1053/
[18:17] <charl> nono, no excuses :P
[18:17] <charl> i'm not letting you off this easy :P
[18:17] <Kilos> ya the wiki site is sick, taking forever to login
[18:17] <gremble> It is not about letting me off. It is about telling me instead of attacking me simply because I do not know some obscure history
[18:17] <Kilos> i go add some commas and fullstops
[18:18] <charl> gremble: calm down, i wasn't trying to offend you... sorry if it came across wrong
[18:18] <charl> i don't "attack" anyone
[18:19] <gremble> I know. I am not offended. I just want you to either link information or go ahead and tell me
[18:19] <gremble> :P
[18:19] <Kilos> haha
[18:20] <gremble> That is why I linked the comic
[18:20] <Kilos> spinza your client is flooding irc
[18:21] <Kilos> just now they kline you
[18:21] <Kilos> go to #freenode and they will help you sort it
[18:51] <spinza_> sorry
[18:51] <spinza_> one of my routers eemed to have konked out in the last loadshed
[18:51] <Kilos> oh my
[18:52] <Kilos> its np for us i think its just freenode are quite strict with flooding
[18:54] <spinza_> tried a reboot then got a ton of reconnects to irc i think
[18:54] <Kilos> you got it fixed now?
[18:54] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[18:56] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:56] <spinza_> nope 
[19:06] <inetpro> hi superfly
[19:07] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:08] <superfly> hi inetpro
[19:08] <superfly> 1 hour of loadshedding tonight, not bad, but the longest we've had.
[19:08] <superfly> last weekend we haad 5 minutes
[19:28] <inetpro> eish! 
[19:29]  * inetpro just ran out of data again... gave up and reloaded another bundle
[21:19] <spinza> poe for my 2nd router was not working on my first, so i first think it's router 2, so format it and reinstall config
[21:19] <spinza> nada
[21:20] <spinza> then realise it's the 1st router's poe
[21:20] <spinza> not sure how to fix it so format and reinstall config