| === alket_ is now known as alket | ||
| soee | good morning | 07:13 |
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| lordievader | Good morning. | 08:08 |
| soee | hiho lordievader | 08:46 |
| lordievader | Hey soee, how are you doing? | 08:50 |
| soee | lordievader: good, but its colad as hell here in office - 17° :/ and outside is only -4 | 08:51 |
| soee | *cold | 08:51 |
| lordievader | soee: That is too bad. Compile KDE and warm your hands at the cpu :P | 08:52 |
| lordievader | Or grab a cup of coffee ;) | 08:52 |
| soee | hehe no time for KDE atm, working with Laravel + AngularJS | 08:57 |
| sitter | http://xkcd.com/1172/ | 09:01 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Good Morning Folks | 09:25 |
| Sick_Rimmit | So I'm running Plasma5, and the desktop keeps locking up. The only things I can do are switch tty, or reboot. | 09:26 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I want to keep running Plasma5 in production so I can test it for 15.04 release, but I need away to be able to identify, and kick the service that is locking up | 09:27 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Rebooting every 30 minutes, is not going to work out. | 09:27 |
| lordievader | Sick_Rimmit: Try alt+tab next time. It might just be the desktop effects freezing. | 09:28 |
| Sick_Rimmit | lordievader: OK, thank you, I will try that one | 09:29 |
| Sick_Rimmit | So far I've noticed it when Firefox is has loaded LinkedIn, and also just now when Rekonq tried to load forum.kde.org | 09:30 |
| lordievader | Sick_Rimmit: If that ain't it, look at the system utilization. | 09:32 |
| lordievader | Perhaps there is some memory leak and it is heavily swapping or something. | 09:32 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Ah OK, that's a good point I had been looking at Top to see, if I could see something running away with the system, but I didn't check Swap.. | 09:33 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Also If I can create some repeatable issues, where should we report these KDE ? | 09:34 |
| lordievader | Sick_Rimmit: "vmstat 1" is a nice utility for that ;) | 09:35 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Oooh, not heard of that | 09:38 |
| * Sick_Rimmit ducks off to the man pages section | 09:38 | |
| valorie | Sick_Rimmit: what I do is `killall -9 plasmashell && plasmashell &` | 09:46 |
| valorie | then: `plasmashell </dev/null &>/dev/null &` | 09:46 |
| valorie | alt+tab and all gentler measures didn't work for me | 09:46 |
| valorie | but with up-arrow, this takes just a sec from yakuake | 09:47 |
| Riddell | alt+shift+F12 to disable effects | 09:48 |
| sitter | valorie: did you investigate that with someone? just killing it aint not solving the underlying issue ;) | 09:56 |
| sitter | Riddell: that's the new thing you wrote? https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs#Kubuntu_Continuous_Integration_.28CI.29 | 09:57 |
| Riddell | sitter: yep | 09:57 |
| Riddell | someone wants https downloads of images, is he hiding it from gchq? http://paste.kde.org/p9ijnvhag | 09:58 |
| sitter | that page is entirely filled with internal documentation :P | 09:59 |
| sitter | alas, I misled you into thinking the page should be on community, while in fact it probably should have been techbase ^^ | 09:59 |
| Riddell | it's a Kubuntu project and we only have Kubuntu stiff on commuity for now | 10:00 |
| Riddell | stuff | 10:00 |
| sitter | Riddell: community in general is internal | 10:00 |
| valorie | sitter: yes, I commented on the bug report | 10:00 |
| valorie | and supposedly the fix is in | 10:00 |
| * sitter got lodsa whining when he put phonon release notes there after having been told so by someone -.- | 10:00 | |
| valorie | however, I've not gotten it in ppa/ next | 10:01 |
| sitter | what be the bug number? | 10:01 |
| valorie | ooo | 10:01 |
| valorie | gosh so long ago, let me search | 10:01 |
| sitter | Riddell: that person has a point probably | 10:02 |
| sitter | not so much about the download itself, more about the website though ... since once can't https the website a bad person could maninthemiddle the website thus providing a bogus ISO link and a bogus checksum | 10:03 |
| valorie | sitter: it is supposedly because of the repeat of "xgeWireToEvent: Unknown extension 148, this should never happen." | 10:03 |
| valorie | 8 billion times | 10:03 |
| valorie | blurg, searching on that gives 8 million results too.... | 10:04 |
| sitter | ah, log filling up perhaps, though I think that should be fixed | 10:04 |
| sitter | then again looking at my xsession-errors I see kwin warnings gone wild as well | 10:04 |
| sitter | ... | 10:04 |
| valorie | hasn't filled my HD yet | 10:05 |
| sitter | most days I think we should just compile everything in release mode | 10:05 |
| valorie | kbroulik is the one complaining the most about it | 10:05 |
| sitter | that would also make software crash less and force developers to figure out more userfriendly ways of data gathering xD | 10:05 |
| kbroulik | xgeWireToEvent? I know that! | 10:05 |
| kbroulik | it causes my xsession errors to eat all harddisk | 10:05 |
| kbroulik | and krunner to eat all ram \o/ | 10:05 |
| sitter | valorie: it wouldn't fill the hd | 10:05 |
| sitter | krunenr eating all memory seems more like it | 10:06 |
| sitter | anywho | 10:06 |
| sitter | all is vain! | 10:06 |
| sitter | let's build in release mode | 10:06 |
| sitter | muahhaha | 10:06 |
| kbroulik | seems a bug in krunner though, it doesnt detach when launching an application | 10:07 |
| kbroulik | so apparently it keeps track of all the output (and plashashell spams me with xgeWire shit) and eventually eats GBs of ram | 10:07 |
| valorie | hmmm, I'm not launching from krunner much now that most things can be launched from the taskbar | 10:07 |
| valorie | and for instance kpat has to be launched in yakuake | 10:08 |
| valorie | krunner doesn't do it, since the paths are messed up | 10:08 |
| sitter | kbroulik: the output shouldn't be there to begin with ^^ | 10:08 |
| sitter | valorie: that should be fixed | 10:09 |
| valorie | cool! | 10:09 |
| kbroulik | there's a fix but oc kubuntu doesnt ship it :) | 10:09 |
| sitter | debian broke the paths | 10:09 |
| kbroulik | re the xgewire thing | 10:09 |
| valorie | I reported the bugs | 10:09 |
| valorie | and found the workarounds | 10:09 |
| Riddell | sitter: only reply to my fam question is a non-concluside one about it maybe being problematic http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-frameworks-devel/2014-November/020611.html | 10:09 |
| valorie | so when things are fixed, great | 10:09 |
| kbroulik | http://patchwork.freedesktop.org/patch/22124/ | 10:10 |
| sitter | kbroulik: my conservative pov is that a patch consitutes a micro fork, so if upstream had an interest in not having people suffer from this upstream would release an update :P | 10:10 |
| kbroulik | and who packages updates? right. downstream. | 10:10 |
| sitter | Riddell: yeah, I dunno, apparently dfaure is MIA actually | 10:10 |
| kbroulik | for example I need to run a random CI ppa on Kubuntu to get a recent Qt version since the 5.3.0 shipped in kubuntu has broken touch support | 10:11 |
| kbroulik | 5.3.2 has fixed that but the patch did not get backported by kubuntu .. | 10:11 |
| sitter | kbroulik: my point is unless there is a patch release there is nothing to package | 10:11 |
| kbroulik | downstreams often patch software themselves, so .. | 10:11 |
| sitter | I know | 10:12 |
| sitter | which is why I keep on saying that people shoudl stop calling themselves downstream :P | 10:12 |
| sitter | and upstream should stop calling downstream downstream | 10:12 |
| sitter | it creates a neat mental separation between my product and your product | 10:12 |
| sitter | when in fact it is the same product | 10:12 |
| valorie | we're all one big fractious family | 10:12 |
| sitter | this ^ | 10:13 |
| valorie | and somebody should totally give Ivan some good weed or something | 10:13 |
| kbroulik | so it's everyone's fault that many uses have to suffer from this \o/ | 10:13 |
| * valorie is out of ideas | 10:13 | |
| sitter | valorie: that still not resolved? | 10:14 |
| valorie | my last plea went unanswered, I believe | 10:15 |
| valorie | it was Thanksgiving then my hubby's bday plus GCi begins in a few hours.... | 10:15 |
| * sitter calls for a fork | 10:16 | |
| valorie | who will step up to maintain? | 10:17 |
| valorie | that is the only thing we're waiting for, I guess | 10:17 |
| valorie | Ivan seems immovable as a stone | 10:17 |
| sitter | just have someone setup a CI job to merge ivan's thing into the fork thing :P | 10:18 |
| valorie | right, self-maintaining software! | 10:18 |
| valorie | like the perpetual motion machine | 10:19 |
| * valorie checks in #kubuntu-ci to see how that's going | 10:19 | |
| Riddell | hmm, SoK blog request from someone who seems to have achieved compiling gcompris with unity screenshots http://saikrishna17394.github.io/feed.xml | 10:19 |
| valorie | bleah | 10:20 |
| valorie | also, they are late | 10:20 |
| sitter | valorie: there isn't much to maintain ... the patch proposed by MK is 2 lines, that would be the entirety of the fork (well, and having to release things ^^) | 10:20 |
| valorie | it is no longer November | 10:20 |
| valorie | whatever, I'm weary and going to sleep | 10:21 |
| Riddell | valorie: not heard anything from my guy doing planet kde, I'll send him another e-mail to remind about the blog post | 10:21 |
| Riddell | sleep well valorie | 10:21 |
| valorie | have a great day | 10:21 |
| sitter | I really hate the subdiring on debian git | 10:26 |
| Riddell | sitter: what would you prefer? | 10:26 |
| sitter | flat structure like on kde | 10:26 |
| sitter | before I can clone something I have to lookup where the thing lives, so very annoying | 10:26 |
| sitter | and konversation is a full source, brrrrrrrrrrr | 10:28 |
| Riddell | yep | 10:29 |
| Riddell | I also don't like full source branches but diane I think said not to worry about updating the upstream source | 10:30 |
| sitter | for CI I think there mustn't be upstream source | 10:31 |
| Riddell | oh gosh that would be a nightmare | 10:33 |
| Riddell | even worse than UDD | 10:33 |
| sitter | well, exactly the same as UDD really :P | 10:36 |
| sitter_ | mh, somehow my konversation toolbar has no tools :'< | 10:52 |
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| === tazz_ is now known as tazz | ||
| Sick_Rimmit | lordievader: You're a very clever fellow. It would appear that you were correct, I just another desktop freeze, and Alt + Tab got me out of it. I'm a happy boy | 11:29 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Now I just need to trace the cause, and I'll have me a juicy bug report ;-) | 11:29 |
| lordievader | Sick_Rimmit: :D | 11:29 |
| lordievader | I believe it is a know bug, but if not, let me know I'll confirm the bug ;) | 11:30 |
| Riddell | Sick_Rimmit: alt+shift+F12 help too? | 11:30 |
| Riddell | I'm also suffering this problem recently | 11:30 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Ah, yes that turns Compositor Off / On IIRC | 11:31 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Ah there seems to be something going on with the Window Manager | 11:32 |
| Riddell | d_ed: 192.168.1.2 | 11:44 |
| Riddell | d_ed: SOCKS | 11:44 |
| Riddell | d_ed: port 8080 | 11:44 |
| sitter | - serverGroup->setName("freenode"); | 11:59 |
| sitter | + serverGroup->setName("Ubuntu IRC"); | 11:59 |
| sitter | why ever are we doing that Oo | 11:59 |
| Riddell | who knows, drop it | 12:00 |
| sitter | qtcurve has packagin issue btw | 12:03 |
| sitter | I think the files in /usr/share/ are shared between both versions, but only packaged in the 4 version and there is no dep tie between the two | 12:03 |
| sitter | Riddell: are you doing konversation beta upload? kubuntu_unstable should be good for branching to archive | 12:04 |
| sitter | shadeslayer: is there a particular reason the kf5 dh module doesn't use list-missing? and didn't we already talk about list-missing being provided as module? | 12:04 |
| sitter | eitherway... without list-missing we have a reliability problem for CI projects that use the module rather than the mk include | 12:05 |
| Riddell | sitter: I could. but so could you since you're already looking at it no? | 12:10 |
| sitter | Riddell: second set of eyes ;) | 12:11 |
| sitter | there's 300 things that need CI set up -.- | 12:11 |
| sitter | ubottu: bug 1048606 | 12:11 |
| ubottu | bug 902762 in system-config-printer (Ubuntu Quantal) "duplicate for #1048606 scp-dbus-service.py crashed with ImportError in __main__: No module named asyncconn" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902762 | 12:12 |
| * sitter scratches head | 12:13 | |
| sitter | I hate patches | 12:13 |
| lordievader | From #kubuntu: < alvin> The amd64 zsync file on http://files.kde.org/snapshots/kubuntu-plasma5/ is wrong, it has the wrong filename | 12:14 |
| Riddell | sitter: vale vale | 12:16 |
| sitter | shadeslayer: so when is phonon getting fixed? | 12:16 |
| Riddell | lordievader: what does the filename matter? | 12:17 |
| === kbroulik is now known as kbroulik-lunch | ||
| yofel | zsync won't be able to find the iso file to download? | 12:17 |
| Riddell | "failed to retrieve from utopic-desktop-amd64.iso" oh yes | 12:17 |
| lordievader | Riddell: I'm just proxying ;) | 12:18 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer, sitterL you have access to that place to remove those .zsync files? | 12:18 |
| yofel | if the ISO is renamed after the lb run, you'll have to re-generate the zsync file | 12:18 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: gone | 12:27 |
| Riddell | thanks | 12:27 |
| shadeslayer | sitter: debian bug 771220 | 12:28 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 771220 in libphonon4qt5-dev "libphonon4qt5-dev cannot be used in Debian jessie" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/771220 | 12:28 |
| shadeslayer | I can't do much more than that without being a Debian developer :p | 12:28 |
| sitter | fix it in kubuntu :P | 12:29 |
| sitter | actually phonon probably should get add to ci | 12:29 |
| shadeslayer | oh ah ok | 12:29 |
| sitter | mh | 12:29 |
| sitter | shadeslayer: thats not the problem I meant | 12:29 |
| sitter | what I meant was that experimental is needed to use the cmake config but -dev doesn't depend on experimental | 12:30 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: You could make an actual debdiff and attach it to the bug. | 12:30 |
| shadeslayer | sitter: ah that too | 12:30 |
| ScottK | You might even commit that to the Qt-KDE git repo. | 12:30 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: I have a workaround for the bug in the git repo | 12:30 |
| shadeslayer | but then sitter committed a fix upstream, so I should probably fix that | 12:30 |
| shadeslayer | s/fix/use/ | 12:31 |
| kubotu | shadeslayer meant: "but then sitter committed a use upstream, so I should probably fix that" | 12:31 |
| shadeslayer | ... | 12:31 |
| shadeslayer | kubotu: scru u | 12:31 |
| ScottK | Yeah. | 12:31 |
| ScottK | Can't get uploaded until the current upload migrates in two days anyway. | 12:31 |
| sitter | shadeslayer: oh and in kubuntu we even have 2 dev packages :O | 12:32 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: roger | 12:32 |
| BluesKaj_ | 'Morning folks | 13:17 |
| soee | hiho BluesKaj_ | 13:17 |
| BluesKaj_ | hey soee | 13:18 |
| Peace- | hi :D | 13:42 |
| Peace- | i get this | 13:42 |
| Peace- | sudo add-apt-repository ppa:neon/kf5 | 13:42 |
| Peace- | Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:neon/kf5'. | 13:42 |
| Peace- | on 14.04 so :) | 13:42 |
| Peace- | i wish to install again plasma 5 to send some feedbacks | 13:42 |
| sitter | https://blogs.kde.org/2014/11/20/kubuntu-ci-replacement-project-neon | 13:42 |
| Peace- | helps ? | 13:42 |
| Peace- | oh sitter thank you | 13:43 |
| Peace- | sitter: but just isos? | 13:43 |
| soee | you can add ppas and install P5 | 13:45 |
| soee | plasma-next ppa + ci-* | 13:45 |
| soee | oor wait you talking about 14.04 ? | 13:45 |
| Peace- | soee: yes | 13:48 |
| soee | i doubt you can use it oin 14.04 | 13:48 |
| soee | Riddell: ^ | 13:48 |
| Peace- | :( | 13:48 |
| Peace- | guys i just bought a ssd new , removed the old one with windows 8 | 13:49 |
| Peace- | when i use kubuntu i feel at home | 13:49 |
| Peace- | windows 8.1= nightmare xD | 13:49 |
| Riddell | sorry no daily packages for 14.04 any more, you need 14.10 (or vivid) | 13:49 |
| soee | i have no idea, never used win 8 | 13:49 |
| Peace- | wifi doesn't work bluetooth idem | 13:49 |
| Peace- | and it's even ugly no sense system | 13:50 |
| Peace- | soee: i hope you do not even try it it's a mess even with drivers | 13:50 |
| sgclark | yeah I had to dust off my win8 for my SoK project, yuck... | 13:50 |
| soee | Peace-: i do not need any windows since 1-2 years | 13:50 |
| Peace- | soee: i needed to flash my android phone | 13:51 |
| soee | Kubuntu is all i need | 13:51 |
| * Sick_Rimmit appears in a puff of dust, bits and bytes | 13:55 | |
| Sick_Rimmit | Hmmm... I think the locking issue on Plasma can be replicated by actively with the Right Click Window manager menu, If you open, select a sub menu then click back to the Window this seems to cause a desktop lock. | 13:58 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Is anyone else able to replicate this ? | 13:58 |
| Riddell | Sick_Rimmit: that e-mail you answered, I like how his biggest problem with vivid is that he doesn't like the busy cursor :) | 13:58 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Riddell: Yes, I read it all as a complement too.. | 13:59 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Riddell: Plus, I think it's good to respond in a postive manner, makes people feel welcome | 13:59 |
| === kbroulik-lunch is now known as kbroulik | ||
| === alket_ is now known as alket | ||
| Sick_Rimmit | Whoops, that was me closing Quassel without configuring Hide to SysTray.. | 14:11 |
| Riddell | :) | 14:14 |
| Riddell | Sick_Rimmit: I don't think I can recreate your replication of locking but can you describe it again? | 14:14 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Sure | 14:15 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Right click on the Title bar of a Window. Then point to more actions in the menu, a sub menu appears, now click the mouse back on the title bar, or window to return focus, you should find that it's locked. Then use Atl+Tab to get it back. | 14:18 |
| Riddell | Sick_Rimmit: nope not in my case | 14:19 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Hmm, ah Ok | 14:19 |
| Sick_Rimmit | It appears that I can get control back by clicking on another window and then back again, which is different behaviour to the whole desktop locking up | 14:20 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I suspect they're separate issues.. | 14:20 |
| Riddell | meh | 14:20 |
| Sick_Rimmit | So I'm no further forward yet then... | 14:20 |
| Sick_Rimmit | No worries, I'm hammering Plasma 5 as my daily production desktop, I'll get to the bottom of it | 14:21 |
| Riddell | disable one compositing plugin at a time? | 14:21 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Yeah could be worth a play, | 14:22 |
| Sick_Rimmit | lordievader: suggested memory leak, but on the last two lockups, I checked that and it still had plenty of FreeRAM, | 14:23 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I get the feeling is signal related... | 14:23 |
| Sick_Rimmit | But, I'll take a look at the xorg logs next time, see if there is anything in there | 14:23 |
| Riddell | sitter: you renamed konsole .deb to konsole5 in kf5? is that to keep the kde4 konsole? why would you want to keep the binary? | 14:28 |
| sitter | Riddell: don't carry that into vivid | 14:28 |
| sitter | it's utopic compat | 14:29 |
| sitter | since we can't do a proper restructured migration what with konsole(4) not being CI'd | 14:29 |
| sitter | for vivid you probably only want to adopt the build-deps and the mk include increement from rules | 14:29 |
| Riddell | oh cool | 14:29 |
| soee | sitter: whole desktop lockup or single app ? | 14:31 |
| soee | Sick_Rimmit: ^ | 14:31 |
| Sick_Rimmit | This time, I got whole desktop | 14:37 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Using Libreoffice to select records from a spreadsheet, clicked and hold on 1 row, then scroll through to select more, push mouse way of screen to spee up select, and LOCK, whole desktop, Mouse icon is a hand. | 14:38 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Alt+Tab resolved | 14:38 |
| Riddell | Sick_Rimmit: I also can't recreate although I'm not sure I'm following right | 14:40 |
| Sick_Rimmit | It doesn't do it every time, from LibreOffice | 14:49 |
| bukai | sgclark: ping | 14:49 |
| sgclark | bukai: pong | 14:49 |
| bukai | sgclark: your site is fine now? | 14:49 |
| bukai | i nean the server | 14:50 |
| sgclark | bukai: ahh yeah it is up for the moment | 14:50 |
| bukai | sgclark: Ah! great! | 14:51 |
| sgclark | bukai: ty | 14:51 |
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| Sick_Rimmit | Da dah!! | 14:57 |
| Riddell | freeze?# | 14:57 |
| Sick_Rimmit | OK, In LibreOffice I can repeat this, | 14:58 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Yep | 14:58 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I have a sheet with 3000 records in it, I click on say the row at 750, and drag the mouse down to select a load of them. Then pusht the mouse up to unselect, and go past to begin selecting those below 750, and it locks up | 14:59 |
| Sick_Rimmit | In this case Alt_Tab failed to get me out, but I think I know what happened. | 15:00 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I switched tty's to go take a look at mem usage, and when I switch back, sddm had locked the screen. | 15:00 |
| Sick_Rimmit | But something else had keyboard focus so I couldn't type my password in. | 15:01 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I pressed Alt+Tab and the screen lock vanished (That's probably a bug), and put me back to the desktop no password required. | 15:01 |
| Sick_Rimmit | But I was still locked out. The junk I had tried typing whilst the screenlock was showing, had been captured in Libreoffice as a cell entry! | 15:02 |
| Sick_Rimmit | But when I tried to edit, and enter anything I still had no keyboard. | 15:02 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Alt+Tab showed me Window selections, but I could not get the keyboard to connect / focus into any of them | 15:03 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Ah blow it, I can't get that to repeat now either... | 15:06 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I'm none the wiser, sorry, I thought I had something there for a moment | 15:07 |
| Riddell | it's possible it's not very repeatable | 15:07 |
| Riddell | which is an annoying bug | 15:08 |
| Sick_Rimmit | Agreed, for sure it's real problem, because I'm getting 5, or 6 lock ups each day, ( So far Friday, and Today ) | 15:09 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I think I'll have to go log diving on the next one.. | 15:09 |
| Riddell | gdb is your friend | 15:09 |
| Riddell | well maybe, you can run gdb but I'm not sure how you'd tell is when to give you a backtrace | 15:10 |
| Riddell | since it unblocks on alt-tab | 15:10 |
| Riddell | run gdb in a console and wait for that console to freeze then blindly type bt ? | 15:10 |
| Sick_Rimmit | I can give it a go.. | 15:19 |
| Riddell | obviously test it unfrozen first to make sure it works | 15:19 |
| === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter | ||
| ScottK | qca2 needs uploading again with updated symbols files. | 15:56 |
| Riddell | for the obscure architectures | 15:58 |
| * Riddell adds to todo | 15:59 | |
| kfunk | Riddell: just compiled/installed sddm from source, rm'ed the init.d script, et voila: sddm starts fine using systemd | 16:00 |
| Mamarok | hm, why would libsoprano-dev now be needed to build Amarok? We didn't add any new dependencies... | 16:03 |
| Riddell | kfunk: utopic or vivid? does it start with upstart? | 16:03 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: are you compiling by hand or with kubuntu packaging? | 16:04 |
| kfunk | utopic | 16:04 |
| shadeslayer | kfunk: note that we also have the legacy sysv init script | 16:04 |
| shadeslayer | also | 16:04 |
| shadeslayer | kfunk: /etc/init.d is for sysv init scripts | 16:04 |
| shadeslayer | so you still have /etc/init/sddm | 16:04 |
| shadeslayer | probably | 16:04 |
| kfunk | yeah. I *think* I had to remove that, but let me try again | 16:04 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: I do by hand, this wqas mentionned by a usyer who follows my blog to do so | 16:06 |
| Mamarok | I already have libsoprano-dev, probably pulled in by something else, but I don't remember having installed it myself knowingly | 16:06 |
| Mamarok | what I do recommend is to get in the dependencies by running build-dep | 16:07 |
| Mamarok | but in this particular case the guy has always followed my blog, and this was never dragged in for him up until now | 16:07 |
| Mamarok | (talking about Utopic with backports enabled) | 16:08 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: I'm pretty sure soprano has always been in build-dep, what's changed is that nepomuk has been removed | 16:09 |
| Riddell | soprano probably can be too | 16:09 |
| Mamarok | hm, so maybe I was not aware of that because I reinstalled my system completely for Utopic | 16:09 |
| Mamarok | but: we do not have "actice" baloo support in current Amarok, it used to have nepomuk, which is now disabled | 16:10 |
| Riddell | no there isn't any baloo build-dep | 16:11 |
| * ScottK discovers https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/kubuntu | 16:39 | |
| Riddell | build logs all moved | 16:40 |
| Riddell | some cjwatson magic I expect | 16:40 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 16:43 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: oh heh, quite old | 16:51 |
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| sgclark | Riddell: your really working on all those? | 17:14 |
| Riddell | sgclark: bash for loops for the win | 17:15 |
| sgclark | shrug ok | 17:15 |
| genii | On my 15.04, any particular repositories/ppa that should be used? ( like ninjas etc ) | 17:17 |
| Riddell | not currently | 17:18 |
| Riddell | genii: did you install from the daily image? | 17:18 |
| genii | Riddell: No, I had to use debootstrap. | 17:19 |
| Riddell | ah | 17:20 |
| Riddell | we are packaging KDE Applications 14.12 in ninjas so you can try that but goodness knows if it works or not | 17:20 |
| genii | OK | 17:21 |
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| snele | Riddell: Hi Riddell. This bug is still not fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-runtime/+bug/1322968 | 17:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1322968 in kde-runtime (Ubuntu) "Changing country leads to invalid locale" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 17:54 |
| snele | 14.04 being LTS release, I think it is important | 17:55 |
| Riddell | sitter: ↑ ? | 17:56 |
| snele | Riddell: sitter said "Invalid country language combinations lead to invalid locales." and closed the bug and then you reopened it: "Reopening as we shouldn't allow it to set incorrect combinations if those give errors" | 17:57 |
| snele | just to remind you :) | 17:58 |
| Riddell | mm, he improved it somewhat in utopic | 17:58 |
| Riddell | but I think it's too fragile a change to backport to 14.04 | 17:58 |
| snele | many people are affected, there is one more bugreport about the same bug but I cannot find it atm | 18:00 |
| Riddell | sitter: feelings on an SRU? | 18:02 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: so is libsoprano-dev a direct dependency of Amarok now or an indirect one due to the reshuffling of dependencies when moving from Nepomuk to Baloo? | 18:07 |
| Mamarok | I am pretty sure we never depended on it, it never showed up in our README file | 18:08 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: doesn't seem to be either | 18:31 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: looking at the build log it says successfully found "* Soprano - Soprano libraries required by Nepomuk Collection" but since it also doesn't find nepomuk I think we can just remove it as a build-depend | 18:32 |
| Mamarok | I think so, too | 18:33 |
| yofel | Riddell: did you see my comments about konsole on friday? | 18:39 |
| genii | Man. This sddm faces thing is annoying. Doesn't automatically pull in users' ~/.face files ( which is apparently related to org.freedesktop.Account ). Looks like the current workaround is to make a custom /usr/local/sbin/adduser.local to make a symlink from /usr/share/apps/sddm/faces/username.face.icon to their picture in home dir. | 18:40 |
| shadeslayer | d_ed: ^^ | 18:49 |
| soee | yo! | 18:54 |
| Riddell | yofel: nope, I know it needs to be made co-installable wit kde4 kpart, what else? | 18:55 |
| yofel | Riddell: yeah, that's on the todo. I was more complaining about the weird maintainer, wrong Vcs and watch URLs as the package is marked "done", but really isn't... | 18:57 |
| Riddell | probably I need to tidy them all up for that | 18:58 |
| yofel | ah, the changelog is missing too | 18:58 |
| Riddell | yofel: but what's wrong with the maintainer? | 18:58 |
| yofel | Debian/Kubuntu/Ubuntu Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org> | 18:58 |
| Riddell | oh weird | 18:59 |
| yofel | anyway, if you're going to look through them at the end then ok | 18:59 |
| Riddell | yofel: what changelog is missing? | 19:00 |
| yofel | Riddell: er... you wrote " * New upstream RC release" but reverted essentially all kpart splitting stuff that harald did in 4:4.14.2-0ubuntu1 | 19:00 |
| yofel | that's... kind of wrong... | 19:00 |
| yofel | or well, that's at least not a single change | 19:01 |
| yofel | but nvm, I was confused because the package was marked as done and looked rather incomplete | 19:01 |
| Riddell | well it doesn't need to have the kpart splitting stuff surely? | 19:04 |
| Riddell | thats only for kde4 | 19:04 |
| yofel | right, the changelog still needs to say that it was removed | 19:04 |
| Riddell | oh right | 19:05 |
| d_ed | shadeslayer: why did you highlight me? | 19:05 |
| shadeslayer | d_ed: sddm thingamagjig above | 19:06 |
| shadeslayer | genii: David says that it should be reading ~/.face | 19:08 |
| shadeslayer | genii: also, maybe file a bug | 19:08 |
| d_ed | .face.icon | 19:09 |
| genii | d_ed: Yes, I have 3 users each with a ~/.face, it's not pulling them in ( just showing all as /usr/share/apps/sddm/faces/default.face.icon instead) . | 19:17 |
| genii | I'll file a bug against it | 19:17 |
| d_ed | ~/.face.icon | 19:18 |
| yofel | we have ~/.face though, not .face.icon | 19:18 |
| d_ed | who is "we" | 19:18 |
| yofel | ubuntu at the very least, I don't know if that even has a specification | 19:18 |
| genii | I'll rename and see if that works. | 19:18 |
| * Riddell has vauge memories of accountsservice doing this | 19:20 | |
| genii | Renaming to .face.icon works. Interestingly 14.04/14.10 lightdm also shows thumbnail if it's named that instead of just .face | 19:28 |
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| genii | Hehe, heated discussion in #ubuntu-offtopic whether KDE is supposed to be an OSS version of CDE originally | 20:28 |
| mamarley | Wikipedia says KDE was kreated by Matthias Ettrich because he was dissatisfied with the lack of consistency of the DEs available at the time. | 20:32 |
| * mamarley wonders why anyone would get into a flamewar over that anyway. | 20:37 | |
| mamarley | Does it really even matter? | 20:37 |
| genii | Probably not :-) I think they were fighting more over who was right or not. | 20:42 |
| * Sick_Rimmit perhaps if they're board they'd be interested in some bug triaging ? | 20:47 | |
| Riddell | genii: sort of like CDE but good | 21:04 |
| genii | Well, I definitely enjoy it. | 21:05 |
| ScottK | IIRC Matthias Ettrich's initial posting about KDE didn't mention "like CDE". | 21:10 |
| Riddell | mamarley: you would if you ever had to use CDE with Netscape Navigator for unix with xeyes with solaris-terminal with whatever the old SunOS office suite was | 21:12 |
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| kfunk | shadeslayer: now I'm at a point where I can't start sddm either way (nor via sysv init sript, nor via systemd, nor via plain invocation) :D | 21:39 |
| kfunk | I'm giving up | 21:39 |
| * kfunk defeated | 21:39 | |
| kfunk | shadeslayer: one thing makes me curious: | 21:40 |
| kfunk | sddm | 21:40 |
| kfunk | 4: set "$0" "$@"; INIT_D_SCRIPT_SOURCED=true . /lib/init/init-d-script | 21:40 |
| kfunk | that's the init.d script. it tries to source a file I don't even have. where does that come from? | 21:40 |
| shadeslayer | kfunk: I'd git blame the sddm packaging to see where it comes from | 21:50 |
| kfunk | shadeslayer: sorry, I can't take no more sddm today. I'll need to recover first ;) | 21:53 |
| kfunk | it's very frustrating to debug your login manager, tbh | 21:53 |
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| Riddell | kfunk: the really difficult bit is getting it to work with the live cd pre-desktop screen | 22:43 |
| sitter | Riddell: I think I even suggested a SRU | 23:16 |
| sitter | the code isn't more fragile or anything it simply enforces en_GB and en_US as a language to dictate locale, which I still do not agree with but since people apparently want to have this and the GUI doesn't really offer affordance that the combination is wrong it's the best I can offer | 23:17 |
| sitter | this sort of misconfiguration won't be possible with kf5 anyway as except for the actual LANGUAGE key you cannot diverge from established libc locales anymore | 23:19 |
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