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MooDoomorning all08:02
SuperMattmorning all08:09
SuperMattlong weekend was long08:09
MooDoomorning08:10
SuperMattanything fun happen to anyone this weekend?08:11
MooDooI won [daughter] a xbox one08:11
SuperMattI would have said an xbox one, but well done08:13
MooDooyeah well it's early08:14
MooDoobut thanks for making me feel thick first think in the morning :p08:14
SuperMattyou're welcome \o/08:14
SuperMatthow'd you win it?08:14
MooDooSuperMatt: school christmas fayre raffle, my daughters ticket won it08:17
SuperMattnice work08:18
SuperMattI'm totes jelly08:18
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MooDooSuperMatt: you're what?08:39
popeymorning slackers08:44
SuperMattMooDoo: totally jealous08:53
SuperMatttotes jelly08:53
SuperMattare you not down with the kids?08:53
foobarrywow, our school chrimbo raffle is usually something donated like a bath soap set09:15
popey09:17:45 [freenode] -!- There is no such nick daviey09:17
popey09:17
MooDoofoobarry: i was very lucky09:19
foobarrynow you have to buy a big telly to go with it?09:19
MooDoofoobarry: lol i wish, i have to persuade the other to let me spend £50 on a game this close to christmas09:20
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.09:25
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Monday, and happy Day With(out) Art Day! :-D09:25
brobostigonmorning JamesTait09:25
JamesTaitbrobostigon, o/09:25
brobostigon:)09:25
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foobarrymight be of interest to cacti users intent to retire cacti09:30
foobarryhttps://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-October/203695.html09:30
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popey(from fedora only, surely)?09:44
diddledanthere's no attempt from fedora to communicate their concerns via the cacti mailing list09:44
popeymaybe they did so via irc09:45
popeyor direct mail09:45
popeythose CVE's are all patched in ubuntu (and I assume debian)09:46
popeyI can see the individual patches in the dpkg-source: info: applying CVE-2014-5261_shell_metachar.patch09:47
popeydpkg-source: info: applying CVE-2014-5262_SQL_injection.patch09:47
popeyetc09:47
foobarryits a community repo, so effectively they are saying they don't have time to patch these things downstream09:47
foobarrywonder why upstream aren't fixing the CVEs09:48
shaunofrom the mail, they are, they just haven't trickled down to a release  (eg, http://svn.cacti.net/viewvc?view=rev&revision=7454 is 5 months old)09:48
shauno(which is still bad form.  it's a bit awkward for your latest release to still have 5-month-old vulns in it)09:49
popeylooks like debian developer contributes upstream09:49
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popeyhttp://bugs.cacti.net/view.php?id=238309:49
popeypaulgevers is the guy who packages it for debian09:49
popeyhttp://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/c/cacti/cacti_0.8.8a+dfsg-5+deb7u4_changelog09:50
popeyso, fedora problem.09:50
MooDoolimb is the owner for fedora09:52
MooDooJon Ciesla09:52
MooDoohttps://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/cacti/09:53
davmor2JamesTait: why would you go a day without art, do you have no soul ;)09:57
JamesTaitdavmor2, if the artist died (from what I gather, it's another name for AIDS awareness day).09:58
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MooDoohigh availability is all well and good, but if you're router plays up, it's no good, starting to think this virgin superhubs are a bit rubbish10:43
diddledanMooDoo, virgin superhubs do HA?10:43
zmoylan-piisp hubs rubbish... i'm shocked :-)10:44
MooDoodiddledan: no but my two ubuntu servers do, just tested it this morning and for some reason when the server came back up, it was't routing correctly, rebooted the superhub and it worked.10:44
MooDoodiddledan: been playing with haproxy and keepalived10:44
popeyMy mum phoned virgin to get caller id added, the sales droid upsold her a more expensive tivo box ☹10:45
popeyI phoned to complain and make them put back the old box10:45
zmoylan-pihow did that go?10:45
diddledanouch10:45
popeythey said they can't, that the old boxes are being destroyed10:45
zmoylan-pinice10:45
popeyI pointed out that she was on a mates rates deal10:45
popeyand that they have just undone that, which they shouldn't have done10:46
popeythey're phoning me back ☻10:46
foobarrytell them you are recording the call for monitoring and training purposes10:46
zmoylan-pia service of professional hagglers to listen in and guide you when dealing with these companies... :-)10:49
awilkinsSuperhubs are rubbish for uptime10:49
awilkinsI put mine in "Modem" mode10:49
MooDooawilkins: yeah i'm tempted to do that with mine and then use my dd-wrt router10:49
awilkinsAnd use my old router with OpenWRT on it10:50
awilkinsIt has ancient slow wifi10:50
shaunoI'm not convinced you have to tell them they're being recorded.  "this call may be recorded for .." sounds like permission to me :)10:50
foobarryyou don't have to tell them10:50
foobarryif one person knows on the call then its fine10:50
foobarrybut they hung up on me when i told them before ;)10:51
popeywat10:51
foobarrywhen i didn't tell them, i recorded the call and they told me linux is not supported so i should use a different ISP10:51
zmoylan-pilinux... is not supported... do they know how the internet works at all?10:52
foobarrythe real reason was that my line was crap and in fact had no pcs connected, but only ping turned on, on the router, and still droppping 40% packets10:52
foobarrywas just some indian dude with no authority to make those statements10:52
foobarrybut i took his advice and haven't used them for ~10yrs10:52
zmoylan-pihopefully when you cancelled you mentioned that their tech support told you to cancel10:53
foobarrywhen i cancelled i said i'm giving u my 1 month notice10:54
foobarryforgot to record the call :(10:54
foobarrybecause they charged me on the day i stopped with "no record" of the cancellation notice10:54
foobarrythen they took the money from me10:54
foobarryand refused to give it back10:55
awilkinsI hate that10:55
foobarryso even if their ISP was great (in N london , it is not)10:55
foobarrythen they owe me ££10:55
awilkinsThey rightly reckon that most people value their time more than a month's subs10:55
MooDoopah cyber monday deals on laptop memory are rubbish :(10:57
diddledanany cybermonday deals on desktop RAMS?11:02
foobarrywhat is cyber monday11:02
diddledanfoobarry, it's the monday following black friday11:03
foobarrywasn't black friday also cyber friday?11:03
shaunoa scary attempt to make black friday just keep on going11:03
awilkinsCyber Monday refers to the official stats that Cyber Monday is the most-shopped day online11:04
awilkinsOr possibly just the official propaganda11:04
awilkinsBut yes, it's a "holiday season" sales thing11:04
awilkinsGrr. Yanks and their "holiday season"11:04
awilkinsWe get a few days. They get a "season" where everything stops.11:05
awilkinsI put in a request for access to our main project tracker over three weeks ago. STILL not got access to it.11:06
awilkinsI can install a Linux VM, put Redmine on it, integrate it with LDAP, and have a working tracker up in less than 2 hours.11:06
awilkinsWhy it takes more than 2 *minutes* to add an account to an existing one, I have no idea.11:07
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awilkins(well, I do. It's stupid bureaucracy)11:07
bashrcI might be in the market for a tablet at some time in the near future. The wifi on my existing one seems to have died and can't be revided even after a reset to factory defaults11:07
popeyVirgin also ripped out the router I had put in, and replaced it with a super hub11:08
popeyRemoving my port forwarding in the process11:08
MooDoopopey: starting to agree with all the reports that the superhub is a bit pants.11:08
popeyThe engineer also lied, saying that the programmes which my mum had recorded would still be on her new set top box11:08
popeyyeah, mine is in modem only mode11:08
foobarryrecently the phone line which snakes along the brickwork outside my house completely degraded. had a nice man come to replace it11:09
awilkinsI contract for 60Mbit/s11:10
awilkinsI get about 20-3011:10
awilkinsTHe only reason I can't be bothered to complain is that this is generally more than enough anyway11:10
awilkinsIf you can't wait a couple of hours for an A-rated game download, you have patience issues11:11
shaunohours?11:12
shaunothis is why I like having a janky old console.  insert game.  play.11:12
awilkinsI like my PC for games11:12
zmoylan-pii've never waited long for rogue to download.  not even the first time when i used a 300baud modem :-)11:13
awilkinsNot least because there is one TV in the house and the (ex)wife monopolised it in the evenings for horrible reality TV shows.11:13
awilkinsI have a Wii11:13
awilkinsIt mostly gets used as a Netflix client these days11:13
kvarley-workOn the Ubuntu "Connect to server" dialog on the file manager is there a way to escape the @ symbol? My username provided by HeartInternet has an @ symbol in it11:22
foobarry\@11:23
MooDookvarley-work: what's that for ftp?11:23
kvarley-workMooDoo: Yeah :)11:24
MooDookvarley-work: can't you install filezilla and use that?11:24
foobarrytry \ first11:24
kvarley-workMooDoo: FileZilla crashes on me all the time as of Ubuntu 14.1011:24
MooDookvarley-work: or even better change the password lol :D ps is your FTP unlocked?11:24
kvarley-workMooDoo: Yes FTP unlocked. It's not the password it's the username haha11:25
kvarley-workWhich you can't change ....11:25
foobarryor use unicode in hex11:25
MooDoousernames are usually domain names unless you're using additional ftp accounts.11:26
MooDooah well ignore more :D11:26
shaunoI have one where the username is an email address.  really annoying.  it means you're ftp to user@host@host11:26
foobarrytry %40 also11:26
MooDooyeah very strange, usernames don't usually have @ in them unless it's additional users, unless they changed it :(11:26
* foobarry wonders if he is on silent11:27
MooDoono we can see you and he'll try your suggestions i'm sure :p11:27
awilkinsusernames have @ in them when they are Active Directory / Kerberos usernames11:27
* MooDoo did leave heart support 4 months ago after all :D11:27
awilkinsBut you can often use   domain\user rather than user@domain11:28
* awilkins reads up11:28
awilkinsIgnore me11:28
MooDoo:)11:28
MooDooit's the 1st of Dec, international ignore me day :)11:29
kvarley-workThanks foobarry it accepts the username but not just doesn't show me files and keeps prompting for password lol11:29
kvarley-workI give up11:29
kvarley-workFilezilla is a right nightmare at the moment. always crashing. Will get gftp out instead. Cheers anyway11:30
MooDookvarley-work: reset the password...or make sure you're using the right one :)11:30
MooDooyou can do it easy enough from extend11:30
MooDooGuinness rich beef chilli crisps, that's a new one.11:31
kvarley-workIt's not the password that's wrong, I'm copying and pasting it from extend and there's no whitespace either side before you say :)11:31
MooDoobut i've seen the password not being recognised and a password change fixes it11:31
shaunothis is relevant to my interests!  where would I purchase/purloin such a flavour?11:31
MooDooshauno: i got them from the machine at work, so not sure shops wise, they are rather nice...unfortunatly no actuall guinness is involved.11:32
shaunohm.  I love the categories some things end up in on amazon.  it has these crisps filed under 'kitchen roll, toilet roll & tissues'11:33
zmoylan-pias people who bought there also bought...11:38
foobarrywhy are they building a £15bn  tunnel under stonehenge when all they need is sight screens?11:39
zmoylan-pithey'll anger the druids11:40
diddledanfoobarry, they actually gave it the go-ahead?11:40
diploI'd rather they spent £15 billion fixing all the current roads11:40
diddledanfoobarry, the 15bn is for all road schemes in england which includes the stonehenge thing11:41
diddledanhttp://www.bbc.com/news/business-3026923111:41
shaunoliterally under stonehenge?  isn't there like .. archeology down there?11:42
diddledanonly 2bn is for the stonehenge and surrounding area11:42
zmoylan-pithe tunnel should be well below any human created architecture11:42
diddledanthat 2bn also includes provision for ensuring that the a303 is entirely dual-carriageway11:43
diddledanthe a303 at warminster is the summer hellhole due to being single-lane11:44
diploIt's alright :)11:44
diploDoesn;t bother me that much, I really rather they fixed more of the roads around here than the 30311:45
ali1234so you know stonehenge right?11:54
ali1234why is it in such good condition?11:54
bashrcI don't think it was in a good condition until interest in ancients started to revive in the 19th century11:55
ali1234just the fact it's not under several feet of earth seems surprising to me11:57
zmoylan-pii thought the interest in the ancients started with the enlightment in 1700s.  i think that's when they unearthed newgrange in ireland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newgrange11:57
zmoylan-pi1699 so 17th century.  just11:58
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AzelphurPSA folks, Crucial M4 Refurbed SSDs direct from Crucial, £22.31 for 128GB, £37.43 for 256GB.12:11
Azelphurcheap things are cheap :)12:11
popeynic!12:12
zmoylan-pijust when you use the word cheap it makes me wonder if they are 'cheap' :-)12:12
* popey considers putting 4 of them in a desktop ☻12:12
Azelphurhere's the direct link, http://uk.crucial.com/gbr/en/store-ssd-factory-recertified?cm_mmc=affiliation-_-null-_-null-_-null12:13
Azelphuralso PSA for the PSA, 2% off if you use quidco12:13
popeythat link fails to load for me12:15
Azelphurpopey: try http://www.hotukdeals.com/visit?m=130&q=206919512:15
shaunoI can't get eu.crucial.com to load at all :(12:15
popeythat works now, ta12:16
Azelphurlittle 128 will be brilliant for my mircoserevr.12:19
Azelphurmicroserver*12:19
diploWorked for me12:19
popeyyeah, i have 120 in my microserver, want to go to 25612:20
Azelphurpopey: why the upgrade? are you using it as more than a boot drive?12:21
popeyyeah, boot and squid and other bits that need to be quick12:21
AzelphurI see12:22
popeytheir site is still dead slow12:22
ali1234128 would make a good boot drive for NAS/mythtv server12:22
Azelphuryea must be getting hammered12:22
ali1234then add 4x4TB12:22
popeyyeah12:22
Azelphurali1234: that's my setup in a nutshell12:22
ali1234i want to do this, but a) can't find a distro thats good at being a NAS and also good at mythtv, and b) can't figure out how to make the whole thing go in a cupboard without overheating12:23
ali1234i also want to put it in a proper NAS case with front removable drive bays12:23
ali1234and LCD status panel12:24
Azelphurali1234: I don't use mine as a front end, I use the microserver as a server and a chromebox with xbmc as the front end12:24
Azelphurmicroserver (can) have all of the above :)12:24
ali1234yes me too12:24
ali1234myth frontend is horrible12:24
Azelphurindeed12:24
ali1234i use mythbuntu, but ubuntu is not very good on a NAS12:24
AzelphurI use Ubuntu server on mine - works fine?12:24
ali1234oh really. where is the admin web interface for samba?12:25
Azelphurthere isn't one, no idea why I'd want one12:25
ali1234exactly. that#s why ubuntu sucks for NAS12:25
AzelphurIt's samba, you turn it on...and then you don't touch it again12:25
AzelphurxD12:25
Azelphurhmm that's odd, when I try to pay crucial by paypal they try and charge me £4712:25
Azelphurinstead of £2212:25
ali1234it's samba: you turn it on, it doesn't work, you spend weeks fiddling around with smb.conf and nbd.conf, you eventually get it working and then pray you never need to reconfigure it ever again12:26
Azelphurtook me 10 minutes, I guess I'm lucky12:26
popeyditto12:26
popeyi have it on my home server so windows boxen and xbmc can see it12:26
popeynever touched it since12:27
popeyand done two dist-upgrades12:27
AzelphurI've done like 4 dist-upgrades on mine12:27
ali1234yeah i don't believe it actually works12:27
ali1234what do you do when you want to add a new user and share?12:28
AzelphurI don't, I just have one read only anonymous share for samba12:30
ali1234lol12:30
Azelphurfor RW I use NFS (it's faster anyway)12:30
popeysame here12:30
Azelphursamba is literally only there so that passing Microsoft peasants can pilfer my movie collection.12:30
ali1234so you don't have to bother with users, permissions, ACLs, domain stuff, multiple shares12:31
* popey gives up buying a crucial ssd12:31
ali1234this simple configuration is easy to achieve12:31
Azelphurpopey: just as you say that "Thank you for your order Your web order was placed on: December 1. 2014"12:31
ali1234getting samba to work the way it does in a consumer NAS is hard12:31
Azelphurali1234: what about webmin?12:32
ali1234not supported in ubuntu?12:32
ali1234i know there are solutions out there, like freenas12:32
ali1234the trouble is, those aren't good at running myth-backend12:32
diploSpeak to Freenas guys? IX systems do most of the work.. can't hurt asking the question12:36
ali1234people have done it, but it's BSD, and you have to build everything from source, and fiddle with drivers12:39
ali1234and i can't be bothered with that these days12:40
diploMe either, I do the same as popey and Azelphur though, just easier12:42
diploUbuntu Server, samba share and a revo with XBMC up front12:43
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Myrttihttps://forums.openvpn.net/topic17625.html13:37
m0nkey_Thanks Myrtti, now I wait for my router firmware to be updated. :-/13:59
Myrtti:-/13:59
Myrttiyou're the second person 'thanking' me13:59
m0nkey_lol13:59
Myrtti"don't kill the messenger"14:00
MooDooMyrtti: thanks :D   issue doesn't affect me, just saying thanks :D14:00
m0nkey_this makes me want to go back to building my own router14:01
m0nkey_may do that when I get around to building a new pc after christmas14:02
MyrttiO14:02
MyrttiI've got Arduino stuff waiting for assembly14:02
m0nkey_Not sure what OS I'm going to use.. probably openbsd if anything for a router/firewall14:03
Azelphurwell this is charming14:11
AzelphurDPD decided to delay my package, and they hang up when I call them14:12
Azelphurbe here, I am not going to be \o/14:12
MooDoolucky i work next to them, so if i want my stuff i go get it14:12
foobarryali1234: have you seen teh synology OS builds for the microservers?14:12
AzelphurMooDoo: go beat them with newspaper for me :P14:13
MooDoolol14:13
zmoylan-pido they sell newspapers with staples... :-)14:14
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davmor2MooDoo, Azelphur, zmoylan-pi: no but I bet we could create a Bedrock Bugle edition just for them16:02
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diddledan10 minutes till hacksummit.org kicks off16:49
diddledanthink I might wander off and get some sweeties16:49
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bujjii have an issue in ubuntu....system problem detected.19:11
bujjihello popey..19:12
daftykinslol.19:12
popeyʘ‿ಠ19:12
popeyhello bujji19:12
bujjihi daftykins )19:12
daftykinsremember there's always #ubuntu-in19:12
bujjiin ??19:13
popeybujji: if you look in /var/crash you may find a crash file19:13
popeywhich will indicate what the system problem was19:13
popeyor you can close the dialog box and ignore it19:13
bujjiokey19:14
daftykinsbujji: yeah ubuntu india!19:15
bujjidaftykins: okey19:15
popeybah, my firefox phone just rang, picked it up and now it won't stop ringing19:15
daftykinsit's ringing like it's on fiiiiire! ...fox.19:16
bujjilol19:16
bujjiI found three file i /var/crash popey19:17
bujjiin*19:17
bujjifiles*19:17
daftykinsread them for clues19:17
bujji_usr_lib_chromium-browser_chromium-browser.1000.crash19:18
popeyso that's your browser which crashed at some point19:18
bujjisusres.2014-11-30_08:22:08.347006.crash19:19
bujji_usr_lib_chromium-browser_chromium-browser.1000.uploaded19:19
popeyso the crash report has been sent, that's good19:19
bujjiyes19:20
popeyDo you have a question?19:21
bujjiHow can i resolve  this problem.19:22
ali1234https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It7107ELQvY19:23
popeyi sang that in a karaoke bar in copenhagen in ~199619:25
popeybujji: hard to say, we don't yet know why your chromium crashed19:25
ali1234https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPsqaTz0PSU19:26
bujjia popup window opened like do ou want to report te problem now.19:26
popeyhaha ali123419:27
popeybujji: right, report the problem if you want to.19:28
bujjisorry Ubuntu 13.04 experienced an internal error19:30
daftykins!raring19:30
lubotu3Ubuntu 13.04 (Raring Ringtail) was the 18th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on January 27, 2014. See !eol, !upgrade and http://ubottu.com/y/raring19:30
daftykinsthat distro version is nearly one year dead19:30
daftykinstypo of 14.04 perhaps?19:30
bujjipopey: above showing after report problem19:32
bujjihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD5urXFG6CQ19:34
popeyi wouldn't do that, but you can I guess19:36
bujjipopey: May i do this according to the video.19:36
bujjidaftykins:Are you there?19:37
daftykinsi am but i don't use desktop ubuntu19:37
daftykinsso i'm about as useful as a chocolate teapot19:38
ali1234why don't you use ubuntu desktop?19:54
daftykinsbecause reasons19:55
ali1234what do you use instead?19:57
daftykinsthe OS i'm primarily paid to support :)19:58
daftykinsit seems like such a nightmare browsing the launchpad pages to try and get .deb's to give someone without internet access, is there a better way?20:01
popeypackages.ubuntu.com20:01
daftykinshow handy ^_^ ty sir20:02
daftykinspopey: i was getting trolled last night by this w23rdst guy :(20:08
daftykinsover in #ubuntu20:08
popey"yay"20:09
daftykinshmm seems to be playing along for now, ho-hum20:10
daftykinsthere are never ops around when you need one ;_;20:10
davmor2daftykins: do you ever wonder if they are around and just enjoy watching you suffer?20:21
daftykinsoh i know they do20:22
daftykinsi ignored it last night but when i'm trying to help someone i just want to stab them repeatedly20:22
foobarryanyone with a combi boiler able to tell me what their hot water temp is set to pls?20:25
foobarrythe setting on the boiler20:25
ali1234that's a rather odd request20:26
daftykinsabout 45 deg C foobarry20:26
foobarrymy rather new boiler is misheaving20:26
foobarrysometimes only goes lukewarm20:26
foobarryreboot boiler and it works ok20:26
foobarryor even tweak the settings and it works ok20:27
foobarrythanks daftykins20:27
daftykinsnp :)20:27
foobarrymight it rather higher20:27
foobarrymine20:27
foobarryis20:27
foobarryugh20:28
foobarryeverything is flaky in my house atm: dishwasher, shower, boiler, rads, washing machine, mouse20:28
popeypattern ...20:28
foobarrywater?20:29
foobarryor mouse eating stuff20:29
daftykins:( that'd be really annoying20:29
ali1234that could be a problem with the pressure rather than the temperature20:30
foobarryit was fine until the boiler was rebooted whil ethe elctrician did stuff elsewhere20:30
foobarrypressure is good20:30
daftykinsi dropped 2 grand on a new boiler last year, best thing i've done really20:31
foobarryso did i20:31
daftykinsmy old one had me actually fearing showers20:31
foobarry:(20:31
daftykinsnever had a shower direct from the boiler before, only electric ones20:31
foobarryits lovely20:32
foobarryexcept for getting out20:32
foobarryat this time of year20:32
foobarrybeen messing with vagrant + ELK again today. devops stuff is strssful20:32
daftykins:D20:32
foobarryits all so slapdash and mysterious20:32
popeyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1298297 is annoying20:32
lubotu3Launchpad bug 1298297 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Shutting lid on laptop locks the computer, even though action is set to none" [Undecided,Confirmed]20:33
foobarrynpm install , gem install etc20:33
foobarryso much taken away from sysadmins20:33
foobarrygiven to devs who screw stuff up20:33
popeyit's package managers all the way down20:33
foobarryits a nightmare20:33
foobarryapt is supposed to rule them all20:33
ali1234why is that bug against lightdm?20:34
popeywhat should it be against?20:34
ali1234whatever locks the display?20:34
ali1234i thought unity got a built in lock screen now20:36
ali1234unity should be disabling lightdm lock screen if it is active, that's what light-locker does20:37
foobarryneed to go to coventry on wednesday for a conf. it really is the middle of nowhere20:39
foobarrywhat rating was halo? 18? 15?20:42
foobarrymegabloks do halo sets. wonder how many 6 yr olds play halo20:43
daftykinslol20:46
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