[08:02] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:09] <SuperMatt> morning all
[08:09] <SuperMatt> long weekend was long
[08:10] <MooDoo> morning
[08:11] <SuperMatt> anything fun happen to anyone this weekend?
[08:11] <MooDoo> I won [daughter] a xbox one
[08:13] <SuperMatt> I would have said an xbox one, but well done
[08:14] <MooDoo> yeah well it's early
[08:14] <MooDoo> but thanks for making me feel thick first think in the morning :p
[08:14] <SuperMatt> you're welcome \o/
[08:14] <SuperMatt> how'd you win it?
[08:17] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: school christmas fayre raffle, my daughters ticket won it
[08:18] <SuperMatt> nice work
[08:18] <SuperMatt> I'm totes jelly
[08:39] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: you're what?
[08:44] <popey> morning slackers
[08:53] <SuperMatt> MooDoo: totally jealous
[08:53] <SuperMatt> totes jelly
[08:53] <SuperMatt> are you not down with the kids?
[09:15] <foobarry> wow, our school chrimbo raffle is usually something donated like a bath soap set
[09:17] <popey> 09:17:45 [freenode] -!- There is no such nick daviey
[09:17] <popey> ☹
[09:19] <MooDoo> foobarry: i was very lucky
[09:19] <foobarry> now you have to buy a big telly to go with it?
[09:20] <MooDoo> foobarry: lol i wish, i have to persuade the other to let me spend £50 on a game this close to christmas
[09:25] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:25] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Day With(out) Art Day! :-D
[09:25] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait
[09:25] <JamesTait> brobostigon, o/
[09:25] <brobostigon> :)
[09:30] <foobarry> might be of interest to cacti users intent to retire cacti
[09:30] <foobarry> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-October/203695.html
[09:44] <popey> (from fedora only, surely)?
[09:44] <diddledan> there's no attempt from fedora to communicate their concerns via the cacti mailing list
[09:45] <popey> maybe they did so via irc
[09:45] <popey> or direct mail
[09:46] <popey> those CVE's are all patched in ubuntu (and I assume debian)
[09:47] <popey> I can see the individual patches in the dpkg-source: info: applying CVE-2014-5261_shell_metachar.patch
[09:47] <popey> dpkg-source: info: applying CVE-2014-5262_SQL_injection.patch
[09:47] <popey> etc
[09:47] <foobarry> its a community repo, so effectively they are saying they don't have time to patch these things downstream
[09:48] <foobarry> wonder why upstream aren't fixing the CVEs
[09:48] <shauno> from the mail, they are, they just haven't trickled down to a release  (eg, http://svn.cacti.net/viewvc?view=rev&revision=7454 is 5 months old)
[09:49] <shauno> (which is still bad form.  it's a bit awkward for your latest release to still have 5-month-old vulns in it)
[09:49] <popey> looks like debian developer contributes upstream
[09:49] <popey> http://bugs.cacti.net/view.php?id=2383
[09:49] <popey> paulgevers is the guy who packages it for debian
[09:50] <popey> http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/c/cacti/cacti_0.8.8a+dfsg-5+deb7u4_changelog
[09:50] <popey> so, fedora problem.
[09:52] <MooDoo> limb is the owner for fedora
[09:52] <MooDoo> Jon Ciesla
[09:53] <MooDoo> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/cacti/
[09:57] <davmor2> JamesTait: why would you go a day without art, do you have no soul ;)
[09:58] <JamesTait> davmor2, if the artist died (from what I gather, it's another name for AIDS awareness day).
[10:43] <MooDoo> high availability is all well and good, but if you're router plays up, it's no good, starting to think this virgin superhubs are a bit rubbish
[10:43] <diddledan> MooDoo, virgin superhubs do HA?
[10:44] <zmoylan-pi> isp hubs rubbish... i'm shocked :-)
[10:44] <MooDoo> diddledan: no but my two ubuntu servers do, just tested it this morning and for some reason when the server came back up, it was't routing correctly, rebooted the superhub and it worked.
[10:44] <MooDoo> diddledan: been playing with haproxy and keepalived
[10:45] <popey> My mum phoned virgin to get caller id added, the sales droid upsold her a more expensive tivo box ☹
[10:45] <popey> I phoned to complain and make them put back the old box
[10:45] <zmoylan-pi> how did that go?
[10:45] <diddledan> ouch
[10:45] <popey> they said they can't, that the old boxes are being destroyed
[10:45] <zmoylan-pi> nice
[10:45] <popey> I pointed out that she was on a mates rates deal
[10:46] <popey> and that they have just undone that, which they shouldn't have done
[10:46] <popey> they're phoning me back ☻
[10:46] <foobarry> tell them you are recording the call for monitoring and training purposes
[10:49] <zmoylan-pi> a service of professional hagglers to listen in and guide you when dealing with these companies... :-)
[10:49] <awilkins> Superhubs are rubbish for uptime
[10:49] <awilkins> I put mine in "Modem" mode
[10:49] <MooDoo> awilkins: yeah i'm tempted to do that with mine and then use my dd-wrt router
[10:50] <awilkins> And use my old router with OpenWRT on it
[10:50] <awilkins> It has ancient slow wifi
[10:50] <shauno> I'm not convinced you have to tell them they're being recorded.  "this call may be recorded for .." sounds like permission to me :)
[10:50] <foobarry> you don't have to tell them
[10:50] <foobarry> if one person knows on the call then its fine
[10:51] <foobarry> but they hung up on me when i told them before ;)
[10:51] <popey> wat
[10:51] <foobarry> when i didn't tell them, i recorded the call and they told me linux is not supported so i should use a different ISP
[10:52] <zmoylan-pi> linux... is not supported... do they know how the internet works at all?
[10:52] <foobarry> the real reason was that my line was crap and in fact had no pcs connected, but only ping turned on, on the router, and still droppping 40% packets
[10:52] <foobarry> was just some indian dude with no authority to make those statements
[10:52] <foobarry> but i took his advice and haven't used them for ~10yrs
[10:53] <zmoylan-pi> hopefully when you cancelled you mentioned that their tech support told you to cancel
[10:54] <foobarry> when i cancelled i said i'm giving u my 1 month notice
[10:54] <foobarry> forgot to record the call :(
[10:54] <foobarry> because they charged me on the day i stopped with "no record" of the cancellation notice
[10:54] <foobarry> then they took the money from me
[10:55] <foobarry> and refused to give it back
[10:55] <awilkins> I hate that
[10:55] <foobarry> so even if their ISP was great (in N london , it is not)
[10:55] <foobarry> then they owe me ££
[10:55] <awilkins> They rightly reckon that most people value their time more than a month's subs
[10:57] <MooDoo> pah cyber monday deals on laptop memory are rubbish :(
[11:02] <diddledan> any cybermonday deals on desktop RAMS?
[11:02] <foobarry> what is cyber monday
[11:03] <diddledan> foobarry, it's the monday following black friday
[11:03] <foobarry> wasn't black friday also cyber friday?
[11:03] <shauno> a scary attempt to make black friday just keep on going
[11:04] <awilkins> Cyber Monday refers to the official stats that Cyber Monday is the most-shopped day online
[11:04] <awilkins> Or possibly just the official propaganda
[11:04] <awilkins> But yes, it's a "holiday season" sales thing
[11:04] <awilkins> Grr. Yanks and their "holiday season"
[11:05] <awilkins> We get a few days. They get a "season" where everything stops.
[11:06] <awilkins> I put in a request for access to our main project tracker over three weeks ago. STILL not got access to it.
[11:06] <awilkins> I can install a Linux VM, put Redmine on it, integrate it with LDAP, and have a working tracker up in less than 2 hours.
[11:07] <awilkins> Why it takes more than 2 *minutes* to add an account to an existing one, I have no idea.
[11:07] <awilkins> (well, I do. It's stupid bureaucracy)
[11:07] <bashrc> I might be in the market for a tablet at some time in the near future. The wifi on my existing one seems to have died and can't be revided even after a reset to factory defaults
[11:08] <popey> Virgin also ripped out the router I had put in, and replaced it with a super hub
[11:08] <popey> Removing my port forwarding in the process
[11:08] <MooDoo> popey: starting to agree with all the reports that the superhub is a bit pants.
[11:08] <popey> The engineer also lied, saying that the programmes which my mum had recorded would still be on her new set top box
[11:08] <popey> yeah, mine is in modem only mode
[11:09] <foobarry> recently the phone line which snakes along the brickwork outside my house completely degraded. had a nice man come to replace it
[11:10] <awilkins> I contract for 60Mbit/s
[11:10] <awilkins> I get about 20-30
[11:10] <awilkins> THe only reason I can't be bothered to complain is that this is generally more than enough anyway
[11:11] <awilkins> If you can't wait a couple of hours for an A-rated game download, you have patience issues
[11:12] <shauno> hours?
[11:12] <shauno> this is why I like having a janky old console.  insert game.  play.
[11:12] <awilkins> I like my PC for games
[11:13] <zmoylan-pi> i've never waited long for rogue to download.  not even the first time when i used a 300baud modem :-)
[11:13] <awilkins> Not least because there is one TV in the house and the (ex)wife monopolised it in the evenings for horrible reality TV shows.
[11:13] <awilkins> I have a Wii
[11:13] <awilkins> It mostly gets used as a Netflix client these days
[11:22] <kvarley-work> On the Ubuntu "Connect to server" dialog on the file manager is there a way to escape the @ symbol? My username provided by HeartInternet has an @ symbol in it
[11:23] <foobarry> \@
[11:23] <MooDoo> kvarley-work: what's that for ftp?
[11:24] <kvarley-work> MooDoo: Yeah :)
[11:24] <MooDoo> kvarley-work: can't you install filezilla and use that?
[11:24] <foobarry> try \ first
[11:24] <kvarley-work> MooDoo: FileZilla crashes on me all the time as of Ubuntu 14.10
[11:24] <MooDoo> kvarley-work: or even better change the password lol :D ps is your FTP unlocked?
[11:25] <kvarley-work> MooDoo: Yes FTP unlocked. It's not the password it's the username haha
[11:25] <kvarley-work> Which you can't change ....
[11:25] <foobarry> or use unicode in hex
[11:26] <MooDoo> usernames are usually domain names unless you're using additional ftp accounts.
[11:26] <MooDoo> ah well ignore more :D
[11:26] <shauno> I have one where the username is an email address.  really annoying.  it means you're ftp to user@host@host
[11:26] <foobarry> try %40 also
[11:26] <MooDoo> yeah very strange, usernames don't usually have @ in them unless it's additional users, unless they changed it :(
[11:27]  * foobarry wonders if he is on silent
[11:27] <MooDoo> no we can see you and he'll try your suggestions i'm sure :p
[11:27] <awilkins> usernames have @ in them when they are Active Directory / Kerberos usernames
[11:27]  * MooDoo did leave heart support 4 months ago after all :D
[11:28] <awilkins> But you can often use   domain\user rather than user@domain
[11:28]  * awilkins reads up
[11:28] <awilkins> Ignore me
[11:28] <MooDoo> :)
[11:29] <MooDoo> it's the 1st of Dec, international ignore me day :)
[11:29] <kvarley-work> Thanks foobarry it accepts the username but not just doesn't show me files and keeps prompting for password lol
[11:29] <kvarley-work> I give up
[11:30] <kvarley-work> Filezilla is a right nightmare at the moment. always crashing. Will get gftp out instead. Cheers anyway
[11:30] <MooDoo> kvarley-work: reset the password...or make sure you're using the right one :)
[11:30] <MooDoo> you can do it easy enough from extend
[11:31] <MooDoo> Guinness rich beef chilli crisps, that's a new one.
[11:31] <kvarley-work> It's not the password that's wrong, I'm copying and pasting it from extend and there's no whitespace either side before you say :)
[11:31] <MooDoo> but i've seen the password not being recognised and a password change fixes it
[11:31] <shauno> this is relevant to my interests!  where would I purchase/purloin such a flavour?
[11:32] <MooDoo> shauno: i got them from the machine at work, so not sure shops wise, they are rather nice...unfortunatly no actuall guinness is involved.
[11:33] <shauno> hm.  I love the categories some things end up in on amazon.  it has these crisps filed under 'kitchen roll, toilet roll & tissues'
[11:38] <zmoylan-pi> as people who bought there also bought...
[11:39] <foobarry> why are they building a £15bn  tunnel under stonehenge when all they need is sight screens?
[11:40] <zmoylan-pi> they'll anger the druids
[11:40] <diddledan> foobarry, they actually gave it the go-ahead?
[11:40] <diplo> I'd rather they spent £15 billion fixing all the current roads
[11:41] <diddledan> foobarry, the 15bn is for all road schemes in england which includes the stonehenge thing
[11:41] <diddledan> http://www.bbc.com/news/business-30269231
[11:42] <shauno> literally under stonehenge?  isn't there like .. archeology down there?
[11:42] <diddledan> only 2bn is for the stonehenge and surrounding area
[11:42] <zmoylan-pi> the tunnel should be well below any human created architecture
[11:43] <diddledan> that 2bn also includes provision for ensuring that the a303 is entirely dual-carriageway
[11:44] <diddledan> the a303 at warminster is the summer hellhole due to being single-lane
[11:44] <diplo> It's alright :)
[11:45] <diplo> Doesn;t bother me that much, I really rather they fixed more of the roads around here than the 303
[11:54] <ali1234> so you know stonehenge right?
[11:54] <ali1234> why is it in such good condition?
[11:55] <bashrc> I don't think it was in a good condition until interest in ancients started to revive in the 19th century
[11:57] <ali1234> just the fact it's not under several feet of earth seems surprising to me
[11:57] <zmoylan-pi> i thought the interest in the ancients started with the enlightment in 1700s.  i think that's when they unearthed newgrange in ireland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newgrange
[11:58] <zmoylan-pi> 1699 so 17th century.  just
[12:11] <Azelphur> PSA folks, Crucial M4 Refurbed SSDs direct from Crucial, £22.31 for 128GB, £37.43 for 256GB.
[12:11] <Azelphur> cheap things are cheap :)
[12:12] <popey> nic!
[12:12] <zmoylan-pi> just when you use the word cheap it makes me wonder if they are 'cheap' :-)
[12:12]  * popey considers putting 4 of them in a desktop ☻
[12:13] <Azelphur> here's the direct link, http://uk.crucial.com/gbr/en/store-ssd-factory-recertified?cm_mmc=affiliation-_-null-_-null-_-null
[12:13] <Azelphur> also PSA for the PSA, 2% off if you use quidco
[12:15] <popey> that link fails to load for me
[12:15] <Azelphur> popey: try http://www.hotukdeals.com/visit?m=130&q=2069195
[12:15] <shauno> I can't get eu.crucial.com to load at all :(
[12:16] <popey> that works now, ta
[12:19] <Azelphur> little 128 will be brilliant for my mircoserevr.
[12:19] <Azelphur> microserver*
[12:19] <diplo> Worked for me
[12:20] <popey> yeah, i have 120 in my microserver, want to go to 256
[12:21] <Azelphur> popey: why the upgrade? are you using it as more than a boot drive?
[12:21] <popey> yeah, boot and squid and other bits that need to be quick
[12:22] <Azelphur> I see
[12:22] <popey> their site is still dead slow
[12:22] <ali1234> 128 would make a good boot drive for NAS/mythtv server
[12:22] <Azelphur> yea must be getting hammered
[12:22] <ali1234> then add 4x4TB
[12:22] <popey> yeah
[12:22] <Azelphur> ali1234: that's my setup in a nutshell
[12:23] <ali1234> i want to do this, but a) can't find a distro thats good at being a NAS and also good at mythtv, and b) can't figure out how to make the whole thing go in a cupboard without overheating
[12:23] <ali1234> i also want to put it in a proper NAS case with front removable drive bays
[12:24] <ali1234> and LCD status panel
[12:24] <Azelphur> ali1234: I don't use mine as a front end, I use the microserver as a server and a chromebox with xbmc as the front end
[12:24] <Azelphur> microserver (can) have all of the above :)
[12:24] <ali1234> yes me too
[12:24] <ali1234> myth frontend is horrible
[12:24] <Azelphur> indeed
[12:24] <ali1234> i use mythbuntu, but ubuntu is not very good on a NAS
[12:24] <Azelphur> I use Ubuntu server on mine - works fine?
[12:25] <ali1234> oh really. where is the admin web interface for samba?
[12:25] <Azelphur> there isn't one, no idea why I'd want one
[12:25] <ali1234> exactly. that#s why ubuntu sucks for NAS
[12:25] <Azelphur> It's samba, you turn it on...and then you don't touch it again
[12:25] <Azelphur> xD
[12:25] <Azelphur> hmm that's odd, when I try to pay crucial by paypal they try and charge me £47
[12:25] <Azelphur> instead of £22
[12:26] <ali1234> it's samba: you turn it on, it doesn't work, you spend weeks fiddling around with smb.conf and nbd.conf, you eventually get it working and then pray you never need to reconfigure it ever again
[12:26] <Azelphur> took me 10 minutes, I guess I'm lucky
[12:26] <popey> ditto
[12:26] <popey> i have it on my home server so windows boxen and xbmc can see it
[12:27] <popey> never touched it since
[12:27] <popey> and done two dist-upgrades
[12:27] <Azelphur> I've done like 4 dist-upgrades on mine
[12:27] <ali1234> yeah i don't believe it actually works
[12:28] <ali1234> what do you do when you want to add a new user and share?
[12:30] <Azelphur> I don't, I just have one read only anonymous share for samba
[12:30] <ali1234> lol
[12:30] <Azelphur> for RW I use NFS (it's faster anyway)
[12:30] <popey> same here
[12:30] <Azelphur> samba is literally only there so that passing Microsoft peasants can pilfer my movie collection.
[12:31] <ali1234> so you don't have to bother with users, permissions, ACLs, domain stuff, multiple shares
[12:31]  * popey gives up buying a crucial ssd
[12:31] <ali1234> this simple configuration is easy to achieve
[12:31] <Azelphur> popey: just as you say that "Thank you for your order Your web order was placed on: December 1. 2014"
[12:31] <ali1234> getting samba to work the way it does in a consumer NAS is hard
[12:32] <Azelphur> ali1234: what about webmin?
[12:32] <ali1234> not supported in ubuntu?
[12:32] <ali1234> i know there are solutions out there, like freenas
[12:32] <ali1234> the trouble is, those aren't good at running myth-backend
[12:36] <diplo> Speak to Freenas guys? IX systems do most of the work.. can't hurt asking the question
[12:39] <ali1234> people have done it, but it's BSD, and you have to build everything from source, and fiddle with drivers
[12:40] <ali1234> and i can't be bothered with that these days
[12:42] <diplo> Me either, I do the same as popey and Azelphur though, just easier
[12:43] <diplo> Ubuntu Server, samba share and a revo with XBMC up front
[13:37] <Myrtti> https://forums.openvpn.net/topic17625.html
[13:59] <m0nkey_> Thanks Myrtti, now I wait for my router firmware to be updated. :-/
[13:59] <Myrtti> :-/
[13:59] <Myrtti> you're the second person 'thanking' me
[13:59] <m0nkey_> lol
[14:00] <Myrtti> "don't kill the messenger"
[14:00] <MooDoo> Myrtti: thanks :D   issue doesn't affect me, just saying thanks :D
[14:01] <m0nkey_> this makes me want to go back to building my own router
[14:02] <m0nkey_> may do that when I get around to building a new pc after christmas
[14:02] <Myrtti> O
[14:02] <Myrtti> I've got Arduino stuff waiting for assembly
[14:03] <m0nkey_> Not sure what OS I'm going to use.. probably openbsd if anything for a router/firewall
[14:11] <Azelphur> well this is charming
[14:12] <Azelphur> DPD decided to delay my package, and they hang up when I call them
[14:12] <Azelphur> be here, I am not going to be \o/
[14:12] <MooDoo> lucky i work next to them, so if i want my stuff i go get it
[14:12] <foobarry> ali1234: have you seen teh synology OS builds for the microservers?
[14:13] <Azelphur> MooDoo: go beat them with newspaper for me :P
[14:13] <MooDoo> lol
[14:14] <zmoylan-pi> do they sell newspapers with staples... :-)
[16:02] <davmor2> MooDoo, Azelphur, zmoylan-pi: no but I bet we could create a Bedrock Bugle edition just for them
[16:49] <diddledan> 10 minutes till hacksummit.org kicks off
[16:49] <diddledan> think I might wander off and get some sweeties
[19:11] <bujji> i have an issue in ubuntu....system problem detected.
[19:12] <bujji> hello popey..
[19:12] <daftykins> lol.
[19:12] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[19:12] <popey> hello bujji
[19:12] <bujji> hi daftykins )
[19:12] <daftykins> remember there's always #ubuntu-in
[19:13] <bujji> in ??
[19:13] <popey> bujji: if you look in /var/crash you may find a crash file
[19:13] <popey> which will indicate what the system problem was
[19:13] <popey> or you can close the dialog box and ignore it
[19:14] <bujji> okey
[19:15] <daftykins> bujji: yeah ubuntu india!
[19:15] <bujji> daftykins: okey
[19:15] <popey> bah, my firefox phone just rang, picked it up and now it won't stop ringing
[19:16] <daftykins> it's ringing like it's on fiiiiire! ...fox.
[19:16] <bujji> lol
[19:17] <bujji> I found three file i /var/crash popey
[19:17] <bujji> in*
[19:17] <bujji> files*
[19:17] <daftykins> read them for clues
[19:18] <bujji> _usr_lib_chromium-browser_chromium-browser.1000.crash
[19:18] <popey> so that's your browser which crashed at some point
[19:19] <bujji> susres.2014-11-30_08:22:08.347006.crash
[19:19] <bujji> _usr_lib_chromium-browser_chromium-browser.1000.uploaded
[19:19] <popey> so the crash report has been sent, that's good
[19:20] <bujji> yes
[19:21] <popey> Do you have a question?
[19:22] <bujji> How can i resolve  this problem.
[19:23] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It7107ELQvY
[19:25] <popey> i sang that in a karaoke bar in copenhagen in ~1996
[19:25] <popey> bujji: hard to say, we don't yet know why your chromium crashed
[19:26] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPsqaTz0PSU
[19:26] <bujji> a popup window opened like do ou want to report te problem now.
[19:27] <popey> haha ali1234
[19:28] <popey> bujji: right, report the problem if you want to.
[19:30] <bujji> sorry Ubuntu 13.04 experienced an internal error
[19:30] <daftykins> !raring
[19:30] <daftykins> that distro version is nearly one year dead
[19:30] <daftykins> typo of 14.04 perhaps?
[19:32] <bujji> popey: above showing after report problem
[19:34] <bujji> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD5urXFG6CQ
[19:36] <popey> i wouldn't do that, but you can I guess
[19:36] <bujji> popey: May i do this according to the video.
[19:37] <bujji> daftykins:Are you there?
[19:37] <daftykins> i am but i don't use desktop ubuntu
[19:38] <daftykins> so i'm about as useful as a chocolate teapot
[19:54] <ali1234> why don't you use ubuntu desktop?
[19:55] <daftykins> because reasons
[19:57] <ali1234> what do you use instead?
[19:58] <daftykins> the OS i'm primarily paid to support :)
[20:01] <daftykins> it seems like such a nightmare browsing the launchpad pages to try and get .deb's to give someone without internet access, is there a better way?
[20:01] <popey> packages.ubuntu.com
[20:02] <daftykins> how handy ^_^ ty sir
[20:08] <daftykins> popey: i was getting trolled last night by this w23rdst guy :(
[20:08] <daftykins> over in #ubuntu
[20:09] <popey> "yay"
[20:10] <daftykins> hmm seems to be playing along for now, ho-hum
[20:10] <daftykins> there are never ops around when you need one ;_;
[20:21] <davmor2> daftykins: do you ever wonder if they are around and just enjoy watching you suffer?
[20:22] <daftykins> oh i know they do
[20:22] <daftykins> i ignored it last night but when i'm trying to help someone i just want to stab them repeatedly
[20:25] <foobarry> anyone with a combi boiler able to tell me what their hot water temp is set to pls?
[20:25] <foobarry> the setting on the boiler
[20:26] <ali1234> that's a rather odd request
[20:26] <daftykins> about 45 deg C foobarry
[20:26] <foobarry> my rather new boiler is misheaving
[20:26] <foobarry> sometimes only goes lukewarm
[20:26] <foobarry> reboot boiler and it works ok
[20:27] <foobarry> or even tweak the settings and it works ok
[20:27] <foobarry> thanks daftykins
[20:27] <daftykins> np :)
[20:27] <foobarry> might it rather higher
[20:27] <foobarry> mine
[20:27] <foobarry> is
[20:28] <foobarry> ugh
[20:28] <foobarry> everything is flaky in my house atm: dishwasher, shower, boiler, rads, washing machine, mouse
[20:28] <popey> pattern ...
[20:29] <foobarry> water?
[20:29] <foobarry> or mouse eating stuff
[20:29] <daftykins> :( that'd be really annoying
[20:30] <ali1234> that could be a problem with the pressure rather than the temperature
[20:30] <foobarry> it was fine until the boiler was rebooted whil ethe elctrician did stuff elsewhere
[20:30] <foobarry> pressure is good
[20:31] <daftykins> i dropped 2 grand on a new boiler last year, best thing i've done really
[20:31] <foobarry> so did i
[20:31] <daftykins> my old one had me actually fearing showers
[20:31] <foobarry> :(
[20:31] <daftykins> never had a shower direct from the boiler before, only electric ones
[20:32] <foobarry> its lovely
[20:32] <foobarry> except for getting out
[20:32] <foobarry> at this time of year
[20:32] <foobarry> been messing with vagrant + ELK again today. devops stuff is strssful
[20:32] <daftykins> :D
[20:32] <foobarry> its all so slapdash and mysterious
[20:32] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1298297 is annoying
[20:33] <foobarry> npm install , gem install etc
[20:33] <foobarry> so much taken away from sysadmins
[20:33] <foobarry> given to devs who screw stuff up
[20:33] <popey> it's package managers all the way down
[20:33] <foobarry> its a nightmare
[20:33] <foobarry> apt is supposed to rule them all
[20:34] <ali1234> why is that bug against lightdm?
[20:34] <popey> what should it be against?
[20:34] <ali1234> whatever locks the display?
[20:36] <ali1234> i thought unity got a built in lock screen now
[20:37] <ali1234> unity should be disabling lightdm lock screen if it is active, that's what light-locker does
[20:39] <foobarry> need to go to coventry on wednesday for a conf. it really is the middle of nowhere
[20:42] <foobarry> what rating was halo? 18? 15?
[20:43] <foobarry> megabloks do halo sets. wonder how many 6 yr olds play halo
[20:46] <daftykins> lol