| === vick is now known as victorek | ||
| Velho | hello friends! I'm considering converting to UbuntuStudio. I'm not a very experienced Linux user, but I know some stuff. Tryiong AV Linux. Can I install the AV Linux programs in Ubuntu Studio? There are some interesting programs I would like to try... | 15:45 |
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| holstein | Velho: there actually are no "avlinux" programs | 18:39 |
| holstein | Velho: the software in the audio production work flow are basically the same, and typically, the same versions | 18:39 |
| holstein | what i tell users is, the "best" distro for production will typically be the one that one is most familiar with.. if one is familiar with debian/ubuntu, then, ubuntustudio is a nice choice, since, it come with things pre-configured for audio produciton, and other production work | 18:40 |
| holstein | that being said, one can easily install main ubuntu, or *any* official flavor, and install the ubuntustudio applications.. ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu | 18:40 |
| holstein | AVlinux is built on a debian base now, and, i actually use it as well.. and also KXstudio | 18:41 |
| Velho | holstein, thank you for the lesson | 19:01 |
| Velho | So, What is pre-installed in any distro can be installed in any other distro? | 19:02 |
| cfhowlett | Velho, all buntus use the same repos so ... yes | 19:02 |
| Velho | cfhowlett, for ubuntus, I can clearly undestand. But ubuntu is Debian based. Any other debian distro can use repository files from Ubuntu without COMPATIBILITY problems? | 19:04 |
| cfhowlett | Velho, nope. | 19:04 |
| cfhowlett | Velho, compile a debian file from source, sure. | 19:05 |
| Velho | cfhowlett, is it hard to compile a source? | 19:07 |
| cfhowlett | !source | Velho | 19:07 |
| ubottu | Velho: You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html | 19:07 |
| cfhowlett | !compile | 19:07 |
| ubottu | Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first). Also read !checkinstall | 19:07 |
| cfhowlett | Velho, IMHO no, but I'm an atypical user | 19:08 |
| Velho | so, Debian distros are not necessarily compatible, right? This issue is been hard for me to understand... if theres a site or a video talking about it, I would like to understand it | 19:09 |
| holstein | the sources will say what they support.. | 19:09 |
| holstein | !ppa | 19:09 |
| ubottu | A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge | 19:09 |
| holstein | even ppa's, that *do* support ubuntu, are use at your own risk | 19:09 |
| holstein | when you compile yourself, you can taking that responsibility on as well.. and, TBH, you really shouldnt need to compile anything from scratch to do audio production | 19:10 |
| Velho | I just aknowlege the existence of PPA today. Still trying to truly understand what these are, and mean | 19:10 |
| holstein | Velho: if you and i made a new app, and wanted to get it to users using ubuntu, one "easy" way to do that would be to provide and maintain a PPA | 19:11 |
| holstein | falk, who makes KXstudio, for example, does this to port his software, and versions of software into the ubuntu base | 19:11 |
| Velho | hmm, so PPA ate like non-official repositories? | 19:12 |
| Velho | *are | 19:12 |
| holstein | Velho: basicallly.. sources that users can add "at their own risk" | 19:12 |
| Velho | cfhowlett, what do you mean by "atypical user"? | 19:12 |
| cfhowlett | officially unsupported. you break it, you fix | 19:13 |
| Velho | do you guys use PPAs? | 19:13 |
| cfhowlett | Velho, most users don't know or want to know the kind of things I like to play with. they just want their box to work. | 19:13 |
| holstein | Velho: if i want an application, i will try a PPA, knowing the risk, and accepting it | 19:14 |
| Velho | holstein, well, I guess that's what I do wenever using Windows, Facebook, Google, etc... ;) | 19:15 |
| holstein | its similar.. but, you can integrate this into the packageing system.. you can add the google ppa, and then, any package manager can search and install packages from that source | 19:17 |
| Velho | holstein, I'm understanding it a little bit more, thanks :) but not entirely yet. | 19:34 |
| holstein | Velho: i wouldnt worry too much about it, anyways.. you *really* dont need extra sources, or compiling from source to get started with audio production | 19:35 |
| holstein | Velho: you can also get quite a bit of work done using ubuntustudio "live".. so, i suggest trying that, and getting used to the main tools.. | 19:35 |
| Velho | holstein, so what do a windows user needs to know to make pro-audio in Linux? | 19:37 |
| holstein | Velho: i think just this.. that its *not* windows.. and its not intending to be windows | 19:37 |
| holstein | *all* the software you use in windows.. *any* of those vendors are welcome and encouraged to make any/all of that software available to you in linux | 19:38 |
| holstein | if they dont/wont, then, linux cant do anything to facilitate that.. its not preventing support for anything.. all of linux is open and anyone can easily support it | 19:38 |
| holstein | i say, take it patiently, and try starting from the same place one did in windows | 19:38 |
| Velho | holstein, I already played with the main tools. From what I understand, the concept is: everything is connected to and from Jack. I still need to study about the rt-kernel | 19:38 |
| holstein | Velho: no you dont | 19:39 |
| holstein | Velho: just use the kernel that ubuntustudio ships with | 19:39 |
| Velho | what if i need to record audio? | 19:39 |
| Velho | audio in real time I mean? | 19:40 |
| holstein | Velho: RT doesnt enable the ability to record audio | 19:40 |
| holstein | and, do you need to record in realtime? and what does that even mean? recording in realtime? | 19:40 |
| holstein | have you hit a "bottle neck"? with latency? | 19:40 |
| Velho | holstein, a false statement, I know... | 19:40 |
| holstein | realtime is good for *only* 2 things | 19:40 |
| holstein | either you need it, or you dont | 19:41 |
| Velho | realtime doesn't exist, one will always have a latency | 19:41 |
| holstein | its for realtime effects processing, and using software instruments.. otherwise, you dont need it | 19:41 |
| delt | lowlatency is good enough for me, personally | 19:41 |
| holstein | sure. thats why i say "low latency" | 19:41 |
| holstein | and thats what im talking about.. lower latency | 19:41 |
| Velho | I'm a reall noob to Linux, but I know a lot about digital audio | 19:41 |
| holstein | now, for me, i need/want around 8ms latency at least for "realtime" audio work.. realtime effects and software synths | 19:42 |
| holstein | if i cant get 8ms, i dont need/want 12.. or 20.. or 40ms.. its can literally be *whatever* | 19:42 |
| delt | 10ms latency is good enough for me. | 19:42 |
| delt | i can't tell the difference with lower than that | 19:42 |
| Velho | holstein, do you get those 8ms latency with the "normal" ubuntustudio kernel? | 19:42 |
| holstein | you typically cant do 10ms latency on an internalu sound card.. so, the hardware will typically be the "botle neck" | 19:42 |
| holstein | bottle* | 19:42 |
| holstein | Velho: yes.. i can achieve 8ms latency with the included "stock" lowlatency kernel shipped with ubuntustudio.. with *many* audio devices | 19:43 |
| holstein | now, for 1.2 ms with my firewire device, i need and rt kernel .. but i dont *need* that funcionality | 19:43 |
| Velho | holstein, my jaw is dropping. You mean with the internal sound card?? | 19:43 |
| holstein | Velho: no.. i dont use internal sound cards for audio production | 19:44 |
| holstein | Velho: in any operating system | 19:44 |
| holstein | they are not made/intended for that.. so i dont bother | 19:44 |
| holstein | if i want to use one, i expect and accept the limitations of them | 19:44 |
| holstein | i have used one for a pianoteq appliance for example.. but, i didnt run jack on that device | 19:44 |
| holstein | all i wanted was a "player" for pianoteq.. | 19:45 |
| holstein | it was connected via USB to the keyboard, and pianoteq was running alsa only.. since i didint need pulse or jack for what i was doing | 19:45 |
| delt | holstein: what keyboard do you use with pianoteq? | 19:45 |
| holstein | delt: anything midi, or midi usb | 19:45 |
| delt | korg, roland, ....? | 19:46 |
| holstein | at that time, it was an old weighted alesisQS8.1 | 19:46 |
| Velho | my problem is that I have a Edirol FA-66 and there are no drivers for Linux :( I was considering using UbuntuStudio as a Guest on VirtualBox, and host it with my Windows 7, that has the edirol drivers | 19:46 |
| holstein | Velho: i read that works "out of the bos" | 19:46 |
| holstein | box* | 19:46 |
| holstein | Velho: *nothing* vitualized will work with audio production | 19:46 |
| holstein | Velho: you would be better, as i stated, to use the live iso | 19:46 |
| delt | (modified) m-audio oxygen 88 here, quite happy with it. been playing piano/keyboard for about 2 years now. | 19:47 |
| Velho | holstein, I'm preparing a dual Boot laptop, with Windows 7 and UbuntuStudio | 19:47 |
| holstein | sure. but, why? | 19:47 |
| holstein | why not just tyr it live for a while.. | 19:47 |
| delt | i also have a cheap yamaha 61 key as second controller, works quite well too | 19:47 |
| holstein | anyways.. the way i did it was, i had linux only on a laptop. for over a year | 19:48 |
| holstein | i learned to use the OS.. so i wasnt troubleshooting so many things | 19:48 |
| Velho | holstein, because I already tried it live, and I want to do serious stuff with that | 19:48 |
| holstein | Velho: sure.. there is not more or less "serious" stuff.. | 19:48 |
| holstein | Velho: you only have an installed version.. that is all | 19:48 |
| holstein | Velho: and, do install.. im not saying dont.. im just saying, you can learn a lot from the live iso | 19:49 |
| Velho | holstein, but is the live cd as fast as an installed version? I feel the installed version is always faster | 19:49 |
| holstein | sure. but, again.. is that a problem? is that the bottleneck? | 19:49 |
| Velho | holstein, but why play with the live cd when I can just install it? Plus, I can save all the configurations... | 19:50 |
| holstein | believe me, you'll want to install eventually... im just suggesting learning to set the edirol up with jack, for example, before running it natively | 19:50 |
| holstein | or installing it as a desktop and using it.. | 19:50 |
| Velho | holstein, from what I've searched, Edirol FA-66 is not supported to linux | 19:51 |
| holstein | i mean, you didnt get windows7, and emmediately, without having years of experience with windows, try and start doing audio production | 19:51 |
| Velho | holstein, hmm, great point! | 19:51 |
| holstein | Velho: edirol doesnt support linux, sure.. but is it the USB or the firewire one? | 19:51 |
| holstein | the firewire one is "full support" on the ffado stie | 19:52 |
| Velho | holstein, firewire. I've read somewere that several firewire devices have problems with linux | 19:52 |
| holstein | site* | 19:52 |
| holstein | and the usb one is "class compliant" | 19:52 |
| Velho | holstein, gonna check it right now! | 19:52 |
| holstein | what you are doing is, doing it like you do in windows | 19:52 |
| holstein | you are looking at the site, for drivers | 19:52 |
| holstein | in linux, the kernel *contains* the drivers.. basically | 19:53 |
| holstein | so, you set up jack to use the ffado "firewire" driver, and jack will "just work" with that device | 19:53 |
| holstein | you dont need to install anything extra.. | 19:53 |
| holstein | now, you also need a supported firewire chipset.. which can be a problem | 19:53 |
| Velho | holstein, thank you so much for pointing me in the right direction! I can't believe that I get full supported drovers for Linux <3 | 19:54 |
| holstein | well, YMMV | 19:55 |
| holstein | i have several firewire chipsets that im hoarding away | 19:55 |
| holstein | the typically more expensive "texas instruments" work great | 19:55 |
| Velho | holstein, let me get this straight: I can just plug the FA-66 and it will work , like the "plug and play" in windows? | 19:56 |
| delt | Velho: if a driver supports it, the kernel should load it automatically | 19:57 |
| wachin | Sorry I have a several problem, I install lxde packages and all fine, only clementine have small fonts | 19:59 |
| Velho | Thank you my friends for all the teachings and support! I need a power nap now. Thank you again for all the help! I'm really exited to make music with ubuntu! <3 | 19:59 |
| wachin | I will try repair this with a command that I found on internet, I am not remember but are to dpi from comman line, But now can't enter to my session, only guest | 20:01 |
| wachin | I put my password and can not enter to my session, nor the UbuntuStudio or LXDE | 20:02 |
| wachin | I can not enter my session only guest | 20:03 |
| delt | i've been trying out freebsd in a vm lately..... powerful OS for server applications | 20:09 |
| holstein | Velho: no.. in windows you'll need a driver, likely | 20:09 |
| delt | i had tried it out several years ago but it wasn't great... trying it out again now, and i'm pretty impressed | 20:10 |
| holstein | Velho: in linux, the driver is "baked in" basically | 20:10 |
| holstein | Velho: but, it depends on the chipset, and other variables.. | 20:10 |
| holstein | wachin: i would go to tty,a nd see that your password is working | 20:10 |
| holstein | !tty | 20:11 |
| ubottu | To get to the TTY terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login). To change the resolution for your TTY, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution | 20:11 |
| holstein | wachin: can you login in tty? | 20:11 |
| holstein | then, if you can, you'll want to get rid of your session errors.. i'll just remove ~/.config ..i'll just rename it, or move it | 20:11 |
| wachin | hi holstein | 20:12 |
| holstein | wachin: *dont* just run "random" commands from the internet.. "sudo" commands can break things.. | 20:12 |
| wachin | ups | 20:12 |
| wachin | thanks, I go | 20:12 |
| holstein | go where? tty? | 20:12 |
| wachin | (the command I remember only in part that have: session, dpi, sudo) | 20:13 |
| wachin | (or xsession) | 20:13 |
| holstein | wachin: if the system is not broken, then you dont need to address the system with a sudo command | 20:13 |
| wachin | OK | 20:14 |
| holstein | wachin: i suggest determining what is wrong *before* running commands | 20:14 |
| wachin | Hi again holstein, I could enter the session of tty6 and put my user and password, working fine | 20:18 |
| holstein | wachin: sure.. so, you have this as fact.. you *can* login to your users account.. you *can* use the guest account GUI.. | 20:19 |
| holstein | so, that means to me, the GUI, and main system are likely just fine.. and your user account is working fine | 20:19 |
| holstein | so, what would i do? start by renaming ~/.config ..reboot, and let that "respawn" fresh configs.. see if i can boot into my user as expected | 20:20 |
| wachin | my no, only can enter on tty6, this from this guest. But when session out, and go to enter to my default session can't enter | 20:20 |
| wachin | I will go to put ubuntustudio from live dvd to erase ./config | 20:20 |
| holstein | wachin: sure.. thats what im sahying | 20:20 |
| wachin | thanks for the help | 20:21 |
| holstein | wachin: you *can* login to your user. in tty.. so your user is fine | 20:21 |
| wachin | oh | 20:21 |
| holstein | wachin: you *can* login to the guest session GUI.. so the main system and gui are fine | 20:21 |
| holstein | wachin: the issue, as i see it, am implying, and saying, and suggesting a fix for, is in your users /home configs for the GUI | 20:21 |
| delt | wachin: no need to reboot, just move your .config directory from tty6 where you logged in | 20:22 |
| wachin | I tried but I returned again, the password is OK, but I am rejected | 20:22 |
| holstein | wachin: thats what i say "rename" and not remove.. so, you can easily revert this suggested change *if* its not the "Fix" | 20:22 |
| wachin | ok | 20:22 |
| holstein | wachin: sure.. we tested the password in TTY | 20:22 |
| holstein | wachin: so, your users password works in TTY.. and you *can* login, in tty | 20:22 |
| wachin | yes, only can enter in tty6 | 20:22 |
| delt | wachin: you still have a shell logged in on tty6? | 20:23 |
| holstein | so, from there, you can rename the users config. or a live iso.. | 20:23 |
| delt | go back to tty6 and just type "mv .config .config_" | 20:23 |
| wachin | ohhhhhhhh | 20:23 |
| holstein | might need ~/.config .. | 20:23 |
| wachin | je je, | 20:24 |
| delt | then try to login again in the graphic system | 20:24 |
| wachin | je je, I am avanced user to the terminal, but I will go to use you steps | 20:25 |
| wachin | ups | 20:25 |
| holstein | wachin: not sure what you are saying, but, in the terminal, you can rename, or move the configs for the users.. ~/.config specificially | 20:25 |
| wachin | is: "I am not advanced user to terminal commands" | 20:25 |
| delt | just type in tty6: mv ~/.config ~/.config_ | 20:26 |
| wachin | yes I did it right this time | 20:28 |
| delt | now try to login again in the graphic system. | 20:28 |
| wachin | whell I will go back | 20:28 |
| wachin | see you later | 20:28 |
| wachin | see you later holstein | 20:29 |
| delt | you're using irc on the guest account now? | 20:29 |
| wachin | yes | 20:30 |
| wachin | good by | 20:30 |
| delt | weird, software-center somehow got uninstalled from my desktop machine.... | 20:34 |
| delt | apt-get'ing it now... | 20:34 |
| holstein | i know exactly where mine went ;) | 20:34 |
| delt | yeah, a few packages mysteriously vanished on this box.... | 20:35 |
| delt | my brand new hard disk better not be bad...... >:( | 20:36 |
| === Pici is now known as Guest74903 | ||
| === holstein_ is now known as holstein | ||
| studio-user626 | hello | 22:26 |
| studio-user626 | :) | 22:27 |
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